Guest guest Posted January 30, 2002 Report Share Posted January 30, 2002 kim durmarsam titiksunam kim akaryam asadhubhih | kim na deyam vadanyanam kah parah sama-darsinam || What can the tolerant not bear? What will the wicked not do? What will the magnanimous not give away? Who is "the other" to those of equal vision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 At 09:24 AM 1/30/2002 -1000, M. Tandy wrote: kim durmarsam titiksunam kim akaryam asadhubhih | kim na deyam vadanyanam kah parah sama-darsinam || What can the tolerant not bear? What will the wicked not do? What will the magnanimous not give away? Who is "the other" to those of equal vision? This is a wonderful verse to show the state our world is in. The second line clearly explains such phenomena as the fraud of Enron. The last addresses a social theme that appears in literature and throughout our many cultures ( could be "Who is a foreigner?"), and I really like the way you worded it: the "other." This verse could be used to show how Krishna consciousness is the solution to all our problems. It is also a warning (I'm thinking of the last line right now) to those affiliated with missions to spread Krishna consciousness regarding how they should relate to others--members of other missions, followers of other religions, the other gender, etc. Thanks a bunch, Mukunda. Babhru das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2002 Report Share Posted February 3, 2002 On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Bill Reed wrote: > > What can the tolerant not bear? > > What will the wicked not do? > > What will the magnanimous not give away? > > Who is "the other" to those of equal vision? > > This is a wonderful verse to show the state our world is in. The second > line clearly explains such phenomena as the fraud of Enron. Yes, it could also point to the al-Quaida (cf. Gita 16.9, 18.32, etc.), but God knows there are countless others, too. I just hope I'm not one of them myself! Line three made me think of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura's statement that every member of his mission was expected to be willing to shed gallons of his or her own blood to bring even one person to Krsna consciousness (cf. Bhagavatam, 7.7.44); or, Canakya's verse: tyajedekam kulasyarthe gramasyarthe kulam tyajet | gramam janapadasyarthe atmarthe prthivim tyajet || For the sake of the family one person should be disowned, for the sake of the village one family should be rejected; for the sake the country one village should be abandoned. [but] for the sake of the Self--the world should be given up! > The last > addresses a social theme that appears in literature and throughout our > many cultures ( could be "Who is a foreigner?"), and I really like the way > you worded it: the "other." I was thinking like that, though I have to admit that I can't say Vyasa was. > This verse could be used to show how Krishna > consciousness is the solution to all our problems. It is also a warning > (I'm thinking of the last line right now) to those affiliated with missions > to spread Krishna consciousness regarding how they should relate to > others--members of other missions, followers of other religions, the other > gender, etc. After all, these statements are in *our* books (cf. Gita 6.32, 5.18, Isopanisad 6, 7, etc.); they seem even more prominent when we read the Upanisads--i.e., realizations that are said to form the basis for development of mature Krsna consciousness. We're supposed to have already mastered these things if we make bold to enter the realm of the "paramahamsa-samhita," the Srimad-bhagavatam. Bhaktivinoda Thakura was extremely liberal in this regard, evidently even more than Srila Prabhupada. His son built a temple to the four sampradayas at Mayapura, while Srila Prabhupada quotes these acaryas in his own books regularly; I think this is partly how he could build house in which the whole world could live. A pure devotee who has assimilated the brahma-bhuta realization of the Upanisads is able to nurture whatever devotion anyone else already has, just as he is able to plant that seed in the hearts of those who don't yet know love at all. At the same time, some distinctions between missions and gurus are important, since what's appropriate for others isn't necessarily so for us too. Maybe that's another matter. MDd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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