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kim durmarsam titiksunam

kim akaryam asadhubhih |

kim na deyam vadanyanam

kah parah sama-darsinam ||

 

What can the tolerant not bear?

What will the wicked not do?

What will the magnanimous not give away?

Who is "the other" to those of equal vision?

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At 09:24 AM 1/30/2002 -1000, M. Tandy wrote:

kim durmarsam titiksunam

kim akaryam asadhubhih |

kim na deyam vadanyanam

kah parah sama-darsinam ||

What can the tolerant not bear?

What will the wicked not do?

What will the magnanimous not give

away?

Who is "the other" to those of

equal vision?

This is a wonderful verse to show the state our world is in. The second

line clearly explains such phenomena as the fraud of Enron. The last

addresses a social theme that appears in literature and throughout

our many cultures ( could be "Who is a foreigner?"), and I

really like the way you worded it: the "other." This verse

could be used to show how Krishna consciousness is the solution to all

our problems. It is also a warning (I'm thinking of the last line right

now) to those affiliated with missions to spread Krishna consciousness

regarding how they should relate to others--members of other missions,

followers of other religions, the other gender, etc.

Thanks a bunch, Mukunda.

Babhru das

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On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Bill Reed wrote:

> > What can the tolerant not bear?

> > What will the wicked not do?

> > What will the magnanimous not give away?

> > Who is "the other" to those of equal vision?

>

> This is a wonderful verse to show the state our world is in. The second

> line clearly explains such phenomena as the fraud of Enron.

 

Yes, it could also point to the al-Quaida (cf. Gita 16.9, 18.32,

etc.), but God knows there are countless others, too. I just hope I'm not

one of them myself!

 

Line three made me think of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati

Thakura's statement that every member of his mission was expected to be

willing to shed gallons of his or her own blood to bring even one person

to Krsna consciousness (cf. Bhagavatam, 7.7.44); or, Canakya's verse:

 

tyajedekam kulasyarthe

gramasyarthe kulam tyajet |

gramam janapadasyarthe

atmarthe prthivim tyajet ||

 

For the sake of the family one person should be disowned,

for the sake of the village one family should be rejected;

for the sake the country one village should be abandoned.

[but] for the sake of the Self--the world should be given up!

 

 

 

> The last

> addresses a social theme that appears in literature and throughout our

> many cultures ( could be "Who is a foreigner?"), and I really like the way

> you worded it: the "other."

I was thinking like that, though I have to admit that I can't say

Vyasa was.

 

 

 

> This verse could be used to show how Krishna

> consciousness is the solution to all our problems. It is also a warning

> (I'm thinking of the last line right now) to those affiliated with missions

> to spread Krishna consciousness regarding how they should relate to

> others--members of other missions, followers of other religions, the other

> gender, etc.

After all, these statements are in *our* books (cf. Gita 6.32,

5.18, Isopanisad 6, 7, etc.); they seem even more prominent when we

read the Upanisads--i.e., realizations that are said to form the basis

for development of mature Krsna consciousness. We're supposed to have

already mastered these things if we make bold to enter the realm of the

"paramahamsa-samhita," the Srimad-bhagavatam. Bhaktivinoda Thakura was

extremely liberal in this regard, evidently even more than Srila Prabhupada.

His son built a temple to the four sampradayas at Mayapura, while Srila

Prabhupada quotes these acaryas in his own books regularly; I think this is

partly how he could build house in which the whole world could live. A pure

devotee who has assimilated the brahma-bhuta realization of the Upanisads

is able to nurture whatever devotion anyone else already has, just as he is

able to plant that seed in the hearts of those who don't yet know love at

all. At the same time, some distinctions between missions and gurus are

important, since what's appropriate for others isn't necessarily so for us

too. Maybe that's another matter.

 

MDd

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