Soul and Spirit: Christianity

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Dear Devotees,

Dandwat Pranams!

Sri Sri Guru Gaurangau Jayte!

I am trying to discuss spirituality with one

of my christian colleague. He is a active member of his church. My goal is

just to have a healthy conversation, I am not trying to change his faith.

During our discussions, I was able to convince him that animal also have

life as human. However, next day he came out with a theory that humen have

spirit and animals have soul. Both are different. As matter is created by

God, so the soul also. But soul is material but spirit is spiritual. Hence

their is no harm in killing animals.

 

Any ideas to counteract it?

 

Vaishanva Dasanudas

Subal Das

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HARI BOL

 

not so difficult, SrilaPrabhupada says something on that subject many times,

i do not remember the same words but this is the concept: an animal eat, we

eat.. an animal sleep, we sleep...... an animal have sex, we have sex......

an animal defends himself, we defend ourselves. The difference between a

living animal and a dead one is the same of a living man and a dead

man...... so the living force within human body, works in the same way of

the one inside an animal body...... we also can see that a foetus, in the

mother's womb, has the same form and development, animal and human, for many

weeks from the sexual intercourse.

 

IN THE 6th COMMANDMENT , the aramaic word that we translate "kill" is the

one who is used for both animals and humans....... it is not "assassinate",

for this term aramaic has another word!!!!!

(so also christians have to be vegetarian!!!!!!!)

 

Vedas say that the real difference from human and animal is that human

suffers from this material condition and feels that this is not natural for

him because hi is spirit(brahman).... who do not feels like that is an

animal even if has a human form.

For the words spirit and soul, they are totally equivalent, the difference

is a word jugglery(you can consult the dictionary) christians have another

jugglery: "adore" is for God..."venerate" is for the saints..... they

sometimes use it criticizing devotees who are adoring the spiritual master.

P*lease be kind with your friend... we are very fortunate because

SrilaPrabhupada have thought (is this the past of teach??? i'm italian!!!!!)

us that we have to learn religion rationally, like a science, without

dogmas....... we are trained to refuse illogic theories, because we are more

serious, we do not want to put our life in the hands of a blind faith!!!!

 

HARE KRISHNA

 

the worst english speaker in the three worlds: YASODANANDANAdasa (Florence

BhaktiVrksa Italy)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Devotees,

Dandwat Pranams!

Sri Sri Guru Gaurangau Jayte!

I am trying to discuss spirituality with one

of my christian colleague. He is a active member of his church. My goal is

just to have a healthy conversation, I am not trying to change his faith.

During our discussions, I was able to convince him that animal also have

life as human. However, next day he came out with a theory that humen have

spirit and animals have soul. Both are different. As matter is created by

God, so the soul also. But soul is material but spirit is spiritual. Hence

their is no harm in killing animals.

 

Any ideas to counteract it?

 

Vaishanva Dasanudas

Subal Das

 

 

 

 

 

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"Mario Leonelli" <marioefranca

 

 

 

> IN THE 6th COMMANDMENT , the aramaic word that we translate "kill" is the

> one who is used for both animals and humans....... it is not

"assassinate",

> for this term aramaic has another word!!!!!

> (so also christians have to be vegetarian!!!!!!!)

 

 

 

I would like to correct this small error only. The commandments were

originally giving in Hebrew (which happens to be my mothers tongue. The

exact translation is "don't shell not commit murder."

 

I'm afraid the Hebrew word "Tirtzakh" (commit murder) refers only for the

intended killing of a human being (not animals). Of course we can argue that

taking the life of an animal is also murder. We simply have to prove it.

 

[MODERATOR NOTE: Interesting point, but may I remind the participants that this

conversation is beginning to drift into the realm of non-Vedic religions and

their interpretation. Please, let us leave such discussions for a different

forum and stick to Gaudiiya Vaishnavism, or at the very least, discuss other

religions and their beliefs in comparison/contrast to Gaudiiya Vaishnavism.

Thanks, - K]