Guest guest Posted December 6, 2002 Report Share Posted December 6, 2002 Dear Mukunda, I don't have that bibliodata. I can only say that I have seen the book. But I can guarantee that the SLJ is the principal source of information about Bhaktivinoda's life. If the book is shown to be genuine, will that make you rethink the passages that go against your expected thinking? I assume you are speaking of the Bipin Bihari connection? > gosvamis in particular--or rather, those hoping to > become caste > gosvamis--do this sort of thing all the time. > but it's also very well documented. Yes, if you have some kind of ready documentation. I wonder if you have included the Chaitanya Upanishad, Navadvipa Satakam and Prema Vivarta on that list? I am currently in hot water for claiming that Bhaktivinoda is the author of these works. But I do so precisely to counter the kind of attitude that claims one side is without blemish while the other is evil incarnate (rhetorical flourish). Anyway, Mukunda, I am approaching my limits here. I am not ready to expand my involvement any further in this discussion, certainly not where it involves the legitimacy of Iskcon or outside Vaishnava groups. krishneti yasya giri tam manasAdriyeta. My statements about the humanity of the guru are a deliberate contrast to the emphasis on the guru's divinity. The sastras makes such an emphasis on the latter because the former is so obvious. The guru's compassion, etc., are human qualities. Krishna appears human but we are told he is divine. We are told not to be confused by his humanity, but his humanity is the a priori. It is Krishna as human that we love, not Krishna as Brahman, Paramatman or Visvarupa, for instance. The reminders of the guru's divinity are there to keep us fixed on essentials and not peripherals (though Babhru makes this point today, it is also one that I have been making for a long, long time). So we should similarly focus on the essentials in all these matters. In some cases, the guru's statements may be incidental or peripheral. And recognizing that is, I am afraid, the beginning of intelligence. I should say, the new beginning of a more refined intelligence. B. R. Sridhar Maharaj speaks of Hegelian dialectics and the need for constant revelation in one of his books. His argument (I paraphrase very liberally and hopefully do not misrepresent) is that God is infinite and even the acharyas are only swimming in the ocean of His unlimited attributes. The constant need for new syntheses requires new revelation. Of course, I find this very interesting. I don't know how he personally reconciled the role of the intellect in this revelation, but I personally hold that the intellect and will are to be surrendered as much as the body and mind. The surrender of the intellect does not mean parroting the words of the previous acharyas, however great, but in seeing the applicability of their essential insights (as opposed to the incidental or peripheral) in accordance with new data and circumstances. One of the great mistakes of most sectarian organizations is that they take incidental truths to be as important as essentials, and often defend them with a descent into the modes of passion and ignorance. This is the material disease in religious form. No organization is entirely free from the deeds and doctrines of its kanishtha adhikaris. Your servant, Jagat Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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