Guest guest Posted December 6, 2002 Report Share Posted December 6, 2002 I would like to start by addressing objection #1. In case it was not clear, these objections are in this order because that is the rough order in which they are found in a paper published on Neal Delmonico's website quoted previously. Otherwise they are in no specific order as far as I can tell. Here is the first objection as I have paraphrased it: > 1) Srila Bhaktisiddhanta received a "dream" initation only from his > guru Srila Gaurakishora dasa babaji. He never received a physical > initiation. Hence his initiation was not genuine. There are two components of this objection: (1a) Srila Bhaktisiddhanta recieved a dream initiation from his guru Srila Gaurakishora dasa babaji. (1b) Srila Bhaktisiddhanta received only a dream initiation, and never an actual initiation from his guru Srila Gaurakishora dasa babaji. As far as (1a) is concerned, there appears to be no objective evidence that this "dream initiation" ever occurred. We are asked to believe this story on the grounds that some devotees in the Gaudiiya line, whose credentials we must also accept on faith, said that this was so. But then, even Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati has some impressive accomplishments under his belt, the formation of 64 Gaudiya-mathas, the reform of Gaudiya Vaishnavism, the initiation of the devotee who spread Krishna's holy name all over the world, and so on and so forth, so why not believe his account? In the worse case scenario, there does not seem to be any objective reason whom one should believe. As far as objection (1b) is concerned, it is obvious that if even if one claims to have had a "dream initiation," that does not preclude ever having had a real initiation. The account of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati's initiation which his followers are familiar with is documented in _A Ray of Vishnu_, Chapter 3, page 18: "After thus indicating his readiness to take his life, Siddhaanta Sarasvatii began to cry. Shriila Gaura Kishora daasa Babaajii's heart was melted to see this, so he told him to take bath in the Sarasvatii and then come back to him. At the time of initiation, he gave Siddhaanta Sarasvatii the name: Shrii Vaarshabhaanavi-devii-dayita daasa." If one is going to criticize Rupa Vilasa dasa's biographical work on the grounds that he is in Srila Bhaktisiddhanta's line and is thus biased, then the same criticism can be again leveled against those who promote an alternative accounting of the initiation. Accepting that there are two sides in this matter, those who accept Srila Bhaktisiddhanta's concept of paramparaa, varnaashrama, etc and those who do not, everyone who claims to be a Gaudiiya Vaishnava is going to fall into one of these two categories and hence be predisposed to one or the other set of biases. Similarly, if one is going to argue that we can only believe Srila Bhaktisiddhanta's initiation on the grounds that it was his word, then using the same logic, one should also question the initiation of Madhvaachaarya by Vyaasadeva, or even the initiation of Lakshmiipati Tiirtha by Shrii Vyaasatiirtha. None of these initiations can be verified objectively. There should be a *uniform* standard for determining the legitimacy of an initiation, as opposed to one standard for Srila Bhaktisiddhanta and something different for everyone else. Even if it is argued that these other examples were more remote in time, then should we also question every initiation that did not have readily available witnesses for cross-examination? It seems rather uncultured to accuse someone, however indirectly, of lying about his guru simply because one lacks the empiric evidence to prove it. Note that I am not touching upon Srila Bhaktisiddhanta's sannyaasi initiation here, or even whether or not his initiation was a shiksha or diiksha initation. This we will discuss later. yours, - K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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