Bhaktisiddhanta & Theology

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MDd wrote:

 

>>> I've also commented on this earlier, and still disagree with the above

postulation; I would say the gist of the matter, in many or most cases, is

rather the dubious character of those who want to talk over their heads about

"theology." At least in the West, it's undeniable that most of those who

vociferate babaji/gosvami criticisms have rejected the world's preeminent

Vaisnava acarya (by whose grace they know anything about Krsna at all)--and

that just as importantly, they've also rejected the high standards of sadacara

he expected of them. <<<

 

While your comments are certainly appreciated, I would like to ask how many

Western followers of any Baba or Gosvami do you know, what to speak of the

Babas and Gosvamis themselves. How many?

 

 

MDd wrote:

 

>>> People who flee from their battles, hide on the sidelines with their women,

and then criticize as they watch the real maharathis work, can hardly be

accepted as serious partners in theological discourse. <<<

 

You do not know me as a person, so it is difficult to present a valid character

assault. Would you like to instead address the two points I made in regards to

Bhaktisiddanta's idea of parampara?

 

 

Regards,

 

Madhava

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On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Madhava wrote:

> MDd wrote:

> >>> I've also commented on this earlier, and still disagree with the above

postulation; I would say the gist of the matter, in many or most cases, is

rather the dubious character of those who want to talk over their heads about

"theology." At least in the West, it's undeniable that most of those who

vociferate babaji/gosvami criticisms have rejected the world's preeminent

Vaisnava acarya (by whose grace they know anything about Krsna at all)--and that

just as importantly, they've also rejected the high standards of sadacara he

expected of them. <<<

> While your comments are certainly appreciated . . . >>>

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

 

<<<I would like to ask how many

Western followers of any Baba or Gosvami do you know, what to speak of the

Babas and Gosvamis themselves. How many?>>

 

Without mentioning any names, I know more than a few, including the

majority who are the most vocal in the West; I've also met several of them

in India. I've no inherent prejudice against anyone, but aside from Srila

Prabhupada's weighty and explicitly stated opinions casting doubt on them,

these babajis also look dubious because they are so often associated with

nonsense "disciples" who prove themselves quite capable of duracara; as

you should know by now, my objection is mainly with those who reject

their bonafide guru, for they thus give us every reason to believe that

they don't take their babajis any more seriously than they took their

previous guru, Srila Prabhupada. This is the character that is disturbingly

prominent in these people, as I've mentioned many, many times now.

 

 

 

 

> >>> People who flee from their battles, hide on the sidelines with their

women, and then criticize as they watch the real maharathis work, can hardly be

accepted as serious partners in theological discourse. <<<

> You do not know me as a person, so it is difficult to present a valid

character assault. >>>

 

Moreover, I've already assured you that I have no such intention.

I'm merely describing the shoe size; if by your above assumption you

see fit to wear it, perhaps that's very significant too, but I won't pass

that judgement. It's better if we encourage rather than criticize. Please

try to avoid personal attacks on your previous acaryas too.

 

 

 

 

> Would you like to instead address the two points I made in regards to

> Bhaktisiddanta's idea of parampara?

 

No sir; I think I've reasonably explained why doing so merely

clouds the really crucial issue. Maybe someone else is interested.

 

MDd