Ayurved Online Message Ayurveda and Cloning.

March 2, 2002

Hallo all who has recieved this mail,

cloning is against the nature.

Susruta has said that Prakruti is one of the factors which are

responsible for the formation of this Globe.

So let the nature go by its own way.

There was a programme on discovery stating the greatness of

nature. The case was somewhat this:::

A patient was having hepatic carcinoma from England. The amazing

thing is that normally secondaries are formed in the liver, but in

this case the Ca was starting itself in the liver. Great surgeons

in England showed their inability to do the operative. The patient

went to New york and their a great surgeon ( Specialist in hepatic

Ca) made the operation. it was the risk because the tumour was

itself there near to the portal vein. But fortunately patient

survied. Doctor has cut down the more than 1/3 of the liver. But

the patient is now having absolute relief. The surgeon at last

expressed his opinion that IT WAS THE NATURE ONLY WHO HAS AGAIN

CREATED THE NATURAL TISSUE.

SO THE OUR ROLE IN THE TREATMENT AS PHYSICIAN OR SURGEON SHOULD

HAVE BEEN LIKE THAT TO MAKE THE WAYS CLEAR FOR THE NATURAL

HEALING.

I think this is the law for each and every injury: psycho injury

or the somatic.

So its my opinion that cloning is against nature, violating the

rules and regulations of it, set by someone, say ISHWAR, GOD,

BRAHMA, PARAMATMA, PURUSH !

So do honour your own inner instincts.

Hoping for the reply.

with regards..

Vd. Nilesh

On Sun, 03 Mar 2002 sunanda ranade wrote :

>

>Dear Cybervaidya,

>Ayurveda believes in natural things.Nature has created

>everthing.

>Hence cloning is against the Ayurvedic rules.

>

>Dr. Sunanda Ranade

>Ph.D.

>Director, International Academy of Ayurveda

>

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March 3, 2002

Dear Nilesh,

I am sorry to burst your bubble, but are you basically a physician or a medical

student?

Or are you an Ayurveda student/practitioner ?

Let us not confuse the issues here.

1. Liver, of all human tissues, is capable of regeneration.

2.You may not see any changes in Liver Function Tests until 50% of the liver is

damaged.

3. You may take out upto 50% of the liver , if they have benign hepatomas, etc.

4. If they do have secondaries in the liver, liver is usually not resected. The

patient does not live long with secondaries in the liver.

In either case, that is the Prakriti of liver---regeneration. That is not a

surprise.

But, that is not being asked. The subject is Ayurveda and cloning ???????

The question is unclear. It is not clear, if the questioner wants to know a)

whether there is any mention in Ayurveda literature about cloning, b) ethical or

moral opinion (about cloning) of people studying/ practicing Ayurveda, or c)

from standpoint of Vata/Pitta...... Prakruti..Gata Janma Karma ....etc where

does a clone fit and therefore how would you treat a clone.

You have partially answered b) above, by giving your opinion on the ethical

issue. Your reasons for supporting it on the basis of your "liver theory" is

not a correct example. Regardless of your "theory", most people do agree that

from a moral/ethical standpoint, one should not clone an entire individual. From

animal studies, we should also find out problems associated with "Dolly, the

cloned sheep" or other cloned animals, before we start cloning people just

because the technology is available.

But, ethically, the question is again 2 fold. People may or may not clone an

entire individual, but there will be cloned anatomic parts, whether neural

tissue, cardiac tissue or pancreas or whatever. And these cloned tissues will be

implanted in real people.This is the only way we can avoid implanting "normal"

fetal tissue and yet trat people for Parkinson's or Diabetes or other congenital

problems. We should look at the entire question from this last standpoint,

which the questioner has not made clear.

If somebody wants to highlight Ayurvedic/Indian literature, which is full of

mythology, then they can tell us out of pure mythologic/historic interest

whether cloning was done in the past. But more interesting from futuristic

standpoint is the implanted cloned tissue and the treatment of such people from

an Ayurvedic standpoint.

Durgesh

nilesh kulkarni <ngkulkarniayu wrote: Hallo all who has

recieved this mail,