Ayurveda for Mental ailments

[Guest guest]

Is there any effective Ayurveda for mental ailments,as I have a friend

who is Manic-Depressive and they want to stop taking prescibed

pyschiatric drugs,which is probaly not a good idea,unless a proven

alternative could be found.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

Please DO NOT EXPERIMENT by asking such questions on online groups !

Well there are good Ayurvedic drugs rather composite therapies

available on Mental Disorders.But one needs to see the case / patient in detail,

to take his medical history completely , see what kind of allopathic medications

he is right now taking, with how much percent of benefit.Then only one may think

of starting Ayurveda as a Co therapy or can we reduce these anti psychotic drugs

with consultation & combined discussion with fellow Psycheatrist , then slowly

we can put him alone on Ayurveda .NOT just asbruptly stoping these Allopathic

drugs, since that can make him violent !

 

Also we need to look into the matter whether our (Ayurvedic) drugs if given

along with Modern drugs then whether it potentiate its action or antagonise the

activity of modern drugs, whether there is any INCOMPATIBILITY with these two

sets of drugs !!

 

Unfortunately may be out of enthusiasm or out of ignorance ....or may be in a

really good faith to help all without expecting anything from others we may see

not only on this group but otherwise also , there is a tendency to prescribe

immediately a formula kind of things, may be in certain cases it might have

helped , but pl. remember it can be potentially hazardous too ! AT LEAST OUR AIM

NEED TO GIVE THERAPY (CHIKITSA) WHICH WILL CURE ONE VYADHI _DISEASE & WILL NOT

GIVES RISE TO ANOTHER PROBLEM (DUE TO WRONG ADVICE, MEDICATIONS, DOSAGES ) <THAT

IS TERMED AS VISHUDDHA CHIKITSA !

 

Well ,please take your patient to a nearby good experienced duly

University qualified Ayurvedic Consultant having knowledge of both

the systems, with an unbiased mind, with a good enough clinical

accumen & expertise to think & treat rationally with an ayurvedic

concept.

 

If you want to know anything more on Ayurvedic Diet,

Meditation ,Yoga,Homeopathy, Spiritual therapy,please forward more

detailed info on his complaints, medication schedule he is taking

right now.Then Yes, we have number of good experts in our group who

genuinely like to help all, so we all will certainly help on this

levels. I can personally share my views on Ayurvedic

Pathyapathya , Vihara, Yoga & Meditation & Reiki as well.

Thanking you,

 

With warm regards,

 

PROF. DR. AASHISH PHADKE.

www.ayurvision.com

 

> Is there any effective Ayurveda for mental ailments,as I have a

friend

> who is Manic-Depressive and they want to stop taking prescibed

> pyschiatric drugs,which is probaly not a good idea,unless a proven

> alternative could be found.

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr Ashish,

 

Warm regards and Namaste. I fully agree with whatever you have said in

your mail. One should never abruptly stop current medication. I myself

used to take psychiatric medicines for my suicidal depression and my

alternate physician did not disturb my current medication. She went

step by step, reducing my medication in the process.

 

There is a website www.offshorerx.com where you can type in the

chemical or generic name of the medicine you have been taking and know

about the side effects and also the dangers associated with abrupt

discontinuation. I believe there are more such websites. We should have

links to such websites in this group so that both doctors and patients

can obtain knowledge.

 

Regards,

Jagannath.

[Guest guest]

Dear Prof. Dr. Phadke,

 

Here is a real life story of a patient who followed the approach

suggested in your post. Off the list, if you are interested, you can

contact the patient as well as her doctor.

 

The patient started ayurvedic treatment concurrently, after taking

allopathic treatment for nearly 15 years, weight increasing from 58

kg to 107 kg, most of it in last five or six years. Patient, who has

a great faith in ayurveda, but her husband has almost nil. With lot

of pursuation, he finally agreed and ayurvedic treatment was started.

Ayurvedist told her to gradually reduce her allopathic doses, after

getting benifit from ayurveda, and only in consultation with her

allopathic expert, as these drugs should be reduced only gradually.

He was aware of the effects and side effects of most of these SSRI

drugs being almost an initial member of drugawares .

 

Two months of ayurvedic treatment reduced the weight by 4 kg, brought

focus in the patients thinking, reduced babble, was able to do house

work in better fashion, with less fatigue, started taking more

interest in daily routines such as reading news paper. It was

difficult to guess for an outsider that this lady was under treatent,

except for obesity. The positive change were noted by children too. After two

months, she went for psychiatrists consultation as per schedule.

 

He always used to ask her to visit naturopathy centres to tackle

weight gain problem, and was happy that some weight was reduced. At

the end, despite noting desirable changes, he wished to keep same

treatment continued, but after seeing the intention, patient

requested that medication should be reduced in quantity or strength,

as she was feeling much better, as her children also were admitting.

When Psychiatrist was not conceeding, she became a little frustrated,

and said with force "doc you are unreasonable". (This convent

educatedlady lady has a degree in science and her daughter is

studying modern medicine). Taking this as sign of aggressiveness, her

prescription was corrected, increasing potency as well as number of

drugs/doses! Husband said "let us go to another doctor is you are not happy with

present one!"

 

The frustrated ayurvedist stopped treating such ailments afterwards.

 

Doctor, in the personal opinion of this author, health state is felt

by a patient, and family members, especially in the case of mental

ailments. A general conclusion this author draws from this real story is that

unless complete family support exists for both patient and doctor, herbs cant do

any magic. Perhaps the root of the disease

itself may be in lack of family/collegues/society support for the

patient! They may need meditation, not medication!

Regards

Dr Bhate

 

ayurveda, "Prof.Dr. Aashish Phadke"

<ayurinstitute> wrote:

> Well there are good Ayurvedic drugs rather composite therapies

> available on Mental Disorders.But one needs to see what kind of

allopathic medications he is right now taking, with how much percent

of benefit.Then only one may think of starting Ayurveda as a Co

therapy or can we reduce these anti psychotic drugs with consultation

& combined discussion with fellow Psycheatrist , then slowly we can

put him alone on Ayurveda .NOT just asbruptly stoping these

Allopathic drugs, since that can make him violent !

>

> Also we need to look into the matter whether our (Ayurvedic) drugs

if given along with Modern drugs then whether it potentiate its

action or antagonise the activity of modern drugs, whether there is

any INCOMPATIBILITY with these two sets of drugs !!

[Guest guest]

"This is not the fabricated story. She is a Mumbai patient, turning 72

next month. With many patients, author has understood that women

differ a lot from men. MOre about it at some other time."

 

Time to fulfil the commitment made in message no. 4029 has come. The

intelligence, emotional, temperamental differences between two sexes

very much matters in ayurvedic practice. In yesterdays post on Mental

disorders, we saw how a lady's health is more dictated by family as

well as her male doctor.

 

Before reading further, members with science/research mind set may go

through an intersting and concurrent review appearing at:

 

http://articles.health.msn.com/id/100108044

 

Five important paragraphs from this study are brought here to bring

out how East and West thinking differed and West is now slowly coming

to meet East:

 

"We've practiced medicine as though only a woman's breasts, uterus

and ovaries made her unique--and as though her heart, brain and every

other part of her body were identical to those of a man," says

Marianne J. Legato, M.D., a cardiologist at Columbia University who

spearheads the new push on gender differences. Legato notes that

women live longer but break down more.

 

"In 15-20% more gray matter, made up of the bodies of nerve cells and

their connecting dendrites, is where the brain's heavy lifting is

done. The female brain is more densely packed with neurons and

dendrites, providing concentrated processing power--and more thought-

linking capability."

 

The larger male cranium is filled with more white matter and

cerebrospinal fluid. "That fluid is probably helpful," says Gur,

director of the Brain Behavior Laboratory at the University of

Pennsylvania. "It cushions the brain, and men are more likely to get

their heads banged about."

 

"Men focus first on minute detail, and operate most easily with a

certain detachment. They construct rules-based analyses of the

natural world, inanimate objects and events. In the coinage of

Cambridge University psychologist Simon Baron-Cohen, Ph.D., they

systemize." [This systemization urge has produced several modern

methods of diagnosis and surgical procedures in medicine.]

 

The article also talks about why women are more affected by

depression and also discusses the increasing number of divorces. In

this respect, so far, East differs.

 

Now authors thoughts, based on observations of Indian culture alone.

There are differences when compared with the conclusions of western

researchers. Other members may freely express their views, even if

they differ.

 

The girls learn physical manuvores such as sitting, talking earlier

than boys. Two sexes have significant difference between their

prakruti and physical pratikruti. While a woman can be compared to

silk cloth, man to jute cloth. Woman is "prakruti" according to

Indian philosophy. The differences in the body chemistry and minds

are two poles apart. According to Indian customs, cremation requires

burning the body. The last to resist burning to ashes are pelvic

bones in case of women, while similar bones in men are shoulder

bones. Hence the name "prakruti" or "kshetra" for women,

while "Purush" for men, meaning warrior principle, accomplishment-

achievement ambition in men. Many psychiatrists and students of

various branches of social sciences have struggled throughout their

lifetimes to study these differences.

 

Throughout the world we see that older men marry women lesser than

their age. Every community tries to preserve this tradition keeping

in mind healthy progency. If both understand the sexual differences

and psychological differences, they can come nearer to each others

mind, understand better and love better.There are important

differences in their views on sex, love and marriage. An unmarried

girl, may not think anything but husband, but she wants everything

else after marriage. For a happy marriage she has to sacrifice her

virginity, sexual satisfaction etc but to obtain the sex, the men

have to marry. While woman wants to obtain love through sex, the man

wants to reach sex through love. Success of marriage can not rest on

sex alone. Where friendship, true love, sacrifice and satisfaction

is added, the marriage can become success. Even if there are physical

and psychological differences, both can meet midway. Throughout the

world, researches are going on these aspects. To keep the equilibrium

of the society, the harmony between men and women must be preserved.

 

When there is a marathon race, 90% men are ahead of women, as women

have more fat and 10% lesser Haemoglobin, thus less oxygen also.

While men want to win women heart, the women heart is smaller, they

breath 43% slower. If both receive training simultaneously, women

experience fatigue earlier. In case of muscle strain or ligament

sprain, men regain health more rapidly due to testosterone.

 

Two sexes differ maximum in Majja kosha. The cells which join left

and right parts of brain are more in women. While men brain can store

more info, woman brain is more wise in using the info. While men like

to plan the spatial jobs requiring coordination between several

people, women like to work more with languages, books on social

sciences etc. They have better cognitive abilities. Cross-words etc

are their favourite pastimes. With added age, men brain cells become

less effective due to stroke, dementia etc, while women receive 20%

more blood supply to the brain after menopause. This protects them

from stroke, and even if stroke visits them, they recover faster. In

post-menopausal –phase, women tend to get busy with social,

religious, or looking after grand children duties. Men cant adjust to

this phase of life and become more unhappy. While loss of husband is

compensated by giving more attention to family members by women, but

men find it difficult to adjust to life without wife. See how creator

has taken care of us, even if mother dies, grandma can look after the

child.While men want diversity, women are possessive. Women are

better warriors. Full chapter in a book written by a woman author in

1630-1640 span mentions this. Rani Laxmibai, Rani Chennama of Kittur

in India history have amply proven this. In recent times, Ma Jijabai,

the mother of Shivaji indoctrinated Shivaji to fight against Muslims,

even when Shivaji's father was in the service of Muslim kings. Role

played by several mothers in freedom fighters life is well documented

in books.Women want approach through heart, affection, warmth and

emotional support. All over the world, women have only one problem.

Devotion to family, satisfying all requirements of family makes them

maximum happy or also maximum unhappy. Strength, achievements

and "Purushatva" ego can make men only "tough" in contrast. While

women face the tough (may be financial) situation with bold approach,

men have a tendency to resign or run away. Women lighten their

mental/emotional burden by talking to other women, while men do not

communicate their problems to friends. Women can smile and shed tears

next moment, often in the same conversation.

 

Due to their hormone dependence, the emotional nature of women

changes with phases of their life; however, due to nature of

suppressing emotions, men suffer more under similar circumstances.

Men become more frightened with the tension, depression, CAD, stroke,

but women face same situation boldly. While women survive loneliness

in old age, while men break down. While women are stronger by mind,

men are stronger by body. These differences arise from hereditary

factors and by proper understanding, the valley between their ego can

be bridged.

 

Let us see how they fare in health. Men can earn higher income, run

after materialism better, but cant match women in the field of health

preservation. While diseases such as stroke, cancer, diabetes CAD

progress much fast in men and take them to graveyard rapidly. But

women face these diseases better. They obtain control of disease by

self control. They are able to observe food discipline of ayurveda

better. Due to chemical sea around us, men between 18 amd 35 should

meet their healer once in two years for check up. Between 35 and 50

years, yearly check up should be done. This period causes rapid onset

of diabetes, hypertension, prostate, heart diseases. With the healer,

women tend to discuss their all problems, irrespective of whether he

is man or woman. And if doctor listens to them with attention, they

believe he is good. This itself may act as 10% medicine. If doctor

remembers at least few of their problems and shows interst in the

status, patient is cured further. Men are often not communicative and

they tend to support the "allopathic" view of health. "Some how or

other, stop my pain and let me join my job or business quickly.

Removing the disease from root we will see later. "

 

When women act as healer, the difference between the sexes can be

understood by comparing the following attached post with the post on

Mental problems by this author posted yesterday.

 

Dr Bhate

 

 

 

ayurveda, "jagchat01" <jagchat01>

wrote:

> your mail. One should never abruptly stop current medication. I

myself

> used to take psychiatric medicines for my suicidal depression and

my

> alternate physician did not disturb my current medication. She went

> step by step, reducing my medication in the process.

[Guest guest]

Thank You Kindly Professor.

 

> Please DO NOT EXPERIMENT by asking such questions on online groups !

> Well there are good Ayurvedic drugs rather composite therapies

> available on Mental Disorders.But one needs to see the case /

............

> Well ,please take your patient to a nearby good experienced duly

> University qualified Ayurvedic Consultant having knowledge of both

> the systems, with an unbiased mind, with a good enough clinical

> accumen & expertise to think & treat rationally with an ayurvedic

> concept.

[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone who helped here.

Chotawa

ayurveda, "chotawa" <chotawa> wrote:

> Thank You Kindly Professor.

>

> > Please DO NOT EXPERIMENT by asking such questions on online

groups !