Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Respected members of "Vedic-astrology" group,Namaskar!I joined your august forum only a couple of days back and am highlyimpressed to see its membership of 4385 as on date!Every astrologer, especially a "vedic astrologer", has to use a panchanga ona day to day basis. In fact, it is the very basis of his/herprognostication, whether as a professional or an amateur! As everybody knows, a panchanga comprises five limbs viz. tithi, karna, nakshatra, yoga and vara!Surprisingly, planetary longitudes are conspicuous by their absence fromthis list! Similarly, the very first Vedic astronomical work, viz. theVedanga Jyotisha of Lagadha, a work of thirteenth century BCE, compiled in oraround Kashmir, (J&K State) also does not indicate anything about planetarylongitudes but advises us only as to how to determine the beginning dates ofTapah also known as Magha etc. months besides the Ayanas and tithis etc. Same is the case with Atharva Jyotisha.Till a few decades back, before the advent of Drik-Ganita etc., we in Indiawere calculating all the five limbs of panchanga, besides planetarylongitudes, mostly from karana granthas like Grahalghava or Makaranda etc.which were supposed, wrongly though, to be based on Surya Sidhanta orBrahma Sidhanta etc. with beeja corrections. However, all the methodologyadvocated by these karna granthas is against the letter as well as thespirit of the Vedanga Jyotisha and also Atharva Jyotisha and even to theSurya Sidhanta etc. Thus the longitudes etc. calculated from those"granthas" were fundamentally and intrinsically wrong in contrast toour original indigenous astronomical works. Surprisingly, though we nowadmit that those calculations from those karna-granthas etc. were absolutely wrong but somehow we still believe (and/or want others to believe!) that the prognostications based on those wrong data including planetary longitudes made by our ancestors were correct! Obviously, if atall our ancestors of the not too distant future did make any correctpredictions those could not have been based on the planetary calculationsbut because of some sidhi or tapasya etc. But what our "ancestors" did notrealize then -- over the last several centuries--- in spite of their tapasya or sidhi!- was that because of the fundamental arguments being incorrect, the longitudes of thesun and moon also were incorrect and hence the tithi, nakshtara etc. derivedfrom them could never be correct either. Which means that the solar sankrantis or the lunar months determined from tithis and solar longitudes etc. also were wrong! That means that all our muhurtas and festivals had become topsy-turvy! Later, thanks to the overseas astronomical observatories, especially theGreenwich Observatory, correct planetary positions started to be publishedin works like Nautical Almanac etc. and Raphael's Ephemeris, being published since 1821, (for the last about two centuries!) also was correct as it was based on the data provided by Greenwich Observatory. However, we in India woke to the situation quite late with stalwarts like Ketkar jumping into the fray just about a century back. Even now also, despite getting alll the planetary data from US Naval Observatory or some other software based on one or the other observatory, we are neither following our sidhantas nor the modern astronomy! Our shastras and sidhantas unequivocally state that there is no difference between Uttarayana and Makar Sankranti or Dakshniayana and Karka Sankranti and same is the case with modern astronomy. It is possible that correct astrological prognostications, being what they are, can be made from any type of calculations which may or may not yield correct planetry details --- since if we could make correct predictions from incorect data like from Grahalaghava/Sarvananda Laghava or Makranda or even the Surya Sidhanta -- with or without beeja corrections--- sky is the limit for our propensitis of making correct predictions from any type of data, but then we get caught on the wrong foot when we come to celebrating our festivals! Because of having linked our dharmashastra also to Grahalaghava or N. C. Lahiri Rashichakra or B. V. Raman's Rashichakra etc., we are celebrating Makar Sankranti today not when ti is Uttarayana but when it is about three weeks away from that phenomenon! If this absurdity continues, a time may come when we will celebrate Makar Sankranti on the Dakshinayana Day - i.e. Dakshinanyana will always be around June 21 and simultaneously Makar Sankranti will fall on that very Dakshinyana day in a few thousand years instead of January 14/15, as is happening these days -- as agianst December 21 - when it should actually happen! Thanks to such whimsical "edicts" of our "Vedic panchanga-makers" even today we will be advised to celebrate Pitramavasya on October 2, 2005, when it is actually Dipavali on that date as per all the shastras! All these points have very serious repurcussions on our entire cultural gamut. Therefore, a forum was "created" so that all the astrologers, including "Vedic astrologers" and astronomers, including "Vedic astronomers" could discuss this issue point by point. Being "Vedic Jyotishis" I am sure most of you also would be interested in knowing as to what type of "Jyotish" -- if any -- our real Vedic Vamadevas and Parasharas were following. As such, I invite you to join HinduCalendar Anybody can join it without any preconditions and enter into the "shastra-artha", again, without any preconditions! With regards, Avtar Krishen Kaul -"vedic astrology Moderator" <vedic astrology-owner><jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com>Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:52 PMWelcome to vedic astrology>> This discussion group discusses the principles of Vedic astrology(Jyotish) and analyzes real-world happenings based on the principles ofVedic astrology. The discussions can range from very simple to very deep.>> A hermitage-like atmosphere of devoted learning, selfless sharing,courtesy and mutual respect is encouraged here. People freely ask very basicquestions and get answers, while very advanced discussions are going onalongside.>> It can be said without the fear of exaggeration that some of the advanceddiscussion that went on here during Jan-Oct 1999 cannot be found in anywhereelse - even in good textbooks or magazines. Some of the topics discussed inthis period were - special lagnas like ghati lagna, arudhas, argalas,Kalachakra dasa, Moola dasa, rasi dasas like Narayana dasa, Sudasa, Brahmadasa and drig dasa, various divisional charts, Tajaka annual and monthlycharts and mundane charts. Check the archives atvedic astrology/info.html>> IMPORTANT NOTE: This is a forum for the discussions of concepts andapplication. This is not a forum for free astrological service. When postingyour birthdata for help, do so without expecting a reply.>> May Jupiter's light shine on us!> Narasimha>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Dear sir, What I believe is, True spiritualism is pure bhakti which is nothing but compassion. as long as our hearts are sincere and filled with love, intentions are clear we can do any puja or sadhana anytime anywhere, no energy will harm us as we are in sync with devine energy. The energy obtained from spiritual knowledge has to be directed to help and protect the needy in the society and for constructive growth of humanity. Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- jyotirved <jyotirved wrote: > Respected members of "Vedic-astrology" group, > Namaskar! > I joined your august forum only a couple of days > back and am highly > impressed to see its membership of 4385 as on date! > > Every astrologer, especially a "vedic astrologer", > has to use a panchanga on > a day to day basis. In fact, it is the very basis > of his/her > prognostication, whether as a professional or an > amateur! > > As everybody knows, a panchanga comprises five limbs > viz. tithi, karna, nakshatra, yoga and vara! > Surprisingly, planetary longitudes are conspicuous > by their absence from > this list! Similarly, the very first Vedic > astronomical work, viz. the > Vedanga Jyotisha of Lagadha, a work of thirteenth > century BCE, compiled in or > around Kashmir, (J&K State) also does not indicate > anything about planetary > longitudes but advises us only as to how to > determine the beginning dates of > Tapah also known as Magha etc. months besides the > Ayanas and tithis etc. Same is the case with > Atharva Jyotisha. > > Till a few decades back, before the advent of > Drik-Ganita etc., we in India > were calculating all the five limbs of panchanga, > besides planetary > longitudes, mostly from karana granthas like > Grahalghava or Makaranda etc. > which were supposed, wrongly though, to be based on > Surya Sidhanta or > Brahma Sidhanta etc. with beeja corrections. > However, all the methodology > advocated by these karna granthas is against the > letter as well as the > spirit of the Vedanga Jyotisha and also Atharva > Jyotisha and even to the > Surya Sidhanta etc. Thus the longitudes etc. > calculated from those > "granthas" were fundamentally and intrinsically > wrong in contrast to > our original indigenous astronomical works. > Surprisingly, though we now > admit that those calculations from those > karna-granthas etc. were absolutely wrong > but somehow we still believe (and/or want others to > believe!) that the prognostications based on those > wrong data including planetary longitudes made by > our ancestors were correct! Obviously, if at > all our ancestors of the not too distant future did > make any correct > predictions those could not have been based on the > planetary calculations > but because of some sidhi or tapasya etc. But what > our "ancestors" did not > realize then -- over the last several centuries--- > in spite of their tapasya or sidhi!- > was that because of the fundamental arguments being > incorrect, the longitudes of the > sun and moon also were incorrect and hence the > tithi, nakshtara etc. derived > from them could never be correct either. Which > means that the solar sankrantis or the lunar months > determined from tithis and solar longitudes etc. > also were wrong! That means that all our muhurtas > and festivals had become topsy-turvy! > > Later, thanks to the overseas astronomical > observatories, especially the > Greenwich Observatory, correct planetary positions > started to be published > in works like Nautical Almanac etc. and Raphael's > Ephemeris, being published since 1821, > (for the last about two centuries!) also was correct > as it was based on the data provided by Greenwich > Observatory. However, we in India woke to the > situation quite late with stalwarts like Ketkar > jumping into the fray just about a century back. > > Even now also, despite getting alll the planetary > data from US Naval Observatory or some other > software based on one or the other observatory, we > are neither following our sidhantas nor the modern > astronomy! Our shastras and sidhantas unequivocally > state that there is no difference between Uttarayana > and Makar Sankranti or Dakshniayana and Karka > Sankranti and same is the case with modern > astronomy. > > It is possible that correct astrological > prognostications, being what they are, can be made > from any type of calculations which may or may not > yield correct planetry details --- since if we > could make correct predictions from incorect data > like from Grahalaghava/Sarvananda Laghava or > Makranda or even the Surya Sidhanta -- with or > without beeja corrections--- sky is the limit for > our propensitis of making correct predictions from > any type of data, but then we get caught on the > wrong foot when we come to celebrating our > festivals! Because of having linked our > dharmashastra also to Grahalaghava or N. C. Lahiri > Rashichakra or B. V. Raman's Rashichakra etc., we > are celebrating Makar Sankranti today not when ti is > Uttarayana but when it is about three weeks away > from that phenomenon! If this absurdity continues, > a time may come when we will celebrate Makar > Sankranti on the Dakshinayana Day - i.e. > Dakshinanyana will always be around June 21 and > simultaneously Makar Sankranti will fall on that > very Dakshinyana day in a few thousand years instead > of January 14/15, as is happening these days -- as > agianst December 21 - when it should actually > happen! Thanks to such whimsical "edicts" of our > "Vedic panchanga-makers" even today we will be > advised to celebrate Pitramavasya on October 2, > 2005, when it is actually Dipavali on that date as > per all the shastras! > > All these points have very serious repurcussions on > our entire cultural gamut. Therefore, a forum was > "created" so that all the astrologers, including > "Vedic astrologers" and astronomers, including > "Vedic astronomers" could discuss this issue point > by point. Being "Vedic Jyotishis" I am sure most of > you also would be interested in knowing as to what > type of "Jyotish" -- if any -- our real Vedic > Vamadevas and Parasharas were following. As such, I > invite you to join > HinduCalendar > Anybody can join it without any preconditions and > enter into the "shastra-artha", again, without any > preconditions! > With regards, > Avtar Krishen Kaul - > "vedic astrology Moderator" > <vedic astrology-owner> > <jyotirved > Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:52 PM > Welcome to vedic astrology > > > > > > This discussion group discusses the principles of > Vedic astrology > (Jyotish) and analyzes real-world happenings based > on the principles of > Vedic astrology. The discussions can range from very > simple to very deep. > > > > A hermitage-like atmosphere of devoted learning, > selfless sharing, > courtesy and mutual respect is encouraged here. > People freely ask very basic > questions and get answers, while very advanced > discussions are going on > alongside. > > > > It can be said without the fear of exaggeration > that some of the advanced > discussion that went on here during Jan-Oct 1999 > cannot be found in anywhere > else - even in good textbooks or magazines. Some of > the topics discussed in > this period were - special lagnas like ghati lagna, > arudhas, argalas, > Kalachakra dasa, Moola dasa, rasi dasas like > Narayana dasa, Sudasa, Brahma > dasa and drig dasa, various divisional charts, > Tajaka annual and monthly > charts and mundane charts. Check the archives at > vedic astrology/info.html > > > > IMPORTANT NOTE: This is a forum for the > discussions of concepts and > application. This is not a forum for free > astrological service. When posting > your birthdata for help, do so without expecting a > reply. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us! > > Narasimha > > > > > > > >> > > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 ur msg is clear. one has to understand what bhakti bhakti is not in beads or stones it is in heart.Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote: Dear sir,What I believe is, True spiritualism is pure bhaktiwhich is nothing but compassion. as long as our heartsare sincere and filled with love, intentions are clearwe can do any puja or sadhana anytime anywhere, noenergy will harm us as we are in sync with devineenergy.The energy obtained from spiritual knowledge has to bedirected to help and protect the needy in the societyand for constructive growth of humanity.Om namah shivaya,Divakar.--- jyotirved wrote:> Respected members of "Vedic-astrology" group,> Namaskar!> I joined your august forum only a couple of days> back and am highly> impressed to see its membership of 4385 as on date!> > Every astrologer, especially a "vedic astrologer",> has to use a panchanga on> a day to day basis. In fact, it is the very basis> of his/her> prognostication, whether as a professional or an> amateur! > > As everybody knows, a panchanga comprises five limbs> viz. tithi, karna, nakshatra, yoga and vara!> Surprisingly, planetary longitudes are conspicuous> by their absence from> this list! Similarly, the very first Vedic> astronomical work, viz. the> Vedanga Jyotisha of Lagadha, a work of thirteenth> century BCE, compiled in or> around Kashmir, (J&K State) also does not indicate> anything about planetary> longitudes but advises us only as to how to> determine the beginning dates of> Tapah also known as Magha etc. months besides the> Ayanas and tithis etc. Same is the case with> Atharva Jyotisha.> > Till a few decades back, before the advent of> Drik-Ganita etc., we in India> were calculating all the five limbs of panchanga,> besides planetary> longitudes, mostly from karana granthas like> Grahalghava or Makaranda etc.> which were supposed, wrongly though, to be based on> Surya Sidhanta or> Brahma Sidhanta etc. with beeja corrections. > However, all the methodology> advocated by these karna granthas is against the> letter as well as the> spirit of the Vedanga Jyotisha and also Atharva> Jyotisha and even to the> Surya Sidhanta etc. Thus the longitudes etc.> calculated from those> "granthas" were fundamentally and intrinsically> wrong in contrast to> our original indigenous astronomical works. > Surprisingly, though we now> admit that those calculations from those> karna-granthas etc. were absolutely wrong> but somehow we still believe (and/or want others to> believe!) that the prognostications based on those> wrong data including planetary longitudes made by> our ancestors were correct! Obviously, if at> all our ancestors of the not too distant future did> make any correct> predictions those could not have been based on the> planetary calculations> but because of some sidhi or tapasya etc. But what> our "ancestors" did not> realize then -- over the last several centuries---> in spite of their tapasya or sidhi!-> was that because of the fundamental arguments being> incorrect, the longitudes of the> sun and moon also were incorrect and hence the> tithi, nakshtara etc. derived> from them could never be correct either. Which> means that the solar sankrantis or the lunar months> determined from tithis and solar longitudes etc.> also were wrong! That means that all our muhurtas> and festivals had become topsy-turvy!> > Later, thanks to the overseas astronomical> observatories, especially the> Greenwich Observatory, correct planetary positions> started to be published> in works like Nautical Almanac etc. and Raphael's> Ephemeris, being published since 1821, > (for the last about two centuries!) also was correct> as it was based on the data provided by Greenwich> Observatory. However, we in India woke to the> situation quite late with stalwarts like Ketkar> jumping into the fray just about a century back.> > Even now also, despite getting alll the planetary> data from US Naval Observatory or some other> software based on one or the other observatory, we> are neither following our sidhantas nor the modern> astronomy! Our shastras and sidhantas unequivocally> state that there is no difference between Uttarayana> and Makar Sankranti or Dakshniayana and Karka> Sankranti and same is the case with modern> astronomy. > > It is possible that correct astrological> prognostications, being what they are, can be made> from any type of calculations which may or may not> yield correct planetry details --- since if we> could make correct predictions from incorect data> like from Grahalaghava/Sarvananda Laghava or> Makranda or even the Surya Sidhanta -- with or> without beeja corrections--- sky is the limit for> our propensitis of making correct predictions from> any type of data, but then we get caught on the> wrong foot when we come to celebrating our> festivals! Because of having linked our> dharmashastra also to Grahalaghava or N. C. Lahiri> Rashichakra or B. V. Raman's Rashichakra etc., we> are celebrating Makar Sankranti today not when ti is> Uttarayana but when it is about three weeks away> from that phenomenon! If this absurdity continues,> a time may come when we will celebrate Makar> Sankranti on the Dakshinayana Day - i.e.> Dakshinanyana will always be around June 21 and> simultaneously Makar Sankranti will fall on that> very Dakshinyana day in a few thousand years instead> of January 14/15, as is happening these days -- as> agianst December 21 - when it should actually> happen! Thanks to such whimsical "edicts" of our> "Vedic panchanga-makers" even today we will be> advised to celebrate Pitramavasya on October 2,> 2005, when it is actually Dipavali on that date as> per all the shastras!> > All these points have very serious repurcussions on> our entire cultural gamut. Therefore, a forum was> "created" so that all the astrologers, including> "Vedic astrologers" and astronomers, including> "Vedic astronomers" could discuss this issue point> by point. Being "Vedic Jyotishis" I am sure most of> you also would be interested in knowing as to what> type of "Jyotish" -- if any -- our real Vedic> Vamadevas and Parasharas were following. As such, I> invite you to join> HinduCalendar> Anybody can join it without any preconditions and> enter into the "shastra-artha", again, without any> preconditions!> With regards,> Avtar Krishen Kaul> > > > > > > -> "vedic astrology Moderator"> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:52 PM> Welcome to vedic astrology> > > >> > This discussion group discusses the principles of> Vedic astrology> (Jyotish) and analyzes real-world happenings based> on the principles of> Vedic astrology. The discussions can range from very> simple to very deep.> >> > A hermitage-like atmosphere of devoted learning,> selfless sharing,> courtesy and mutual respect is encouraged here.> People freely ask very basic> questions and get answers, while very advanced> discussions are going on> alongside.> >> > It can be said without the fear of exaggeration> that some of the advanced> discussion that went on here during Jan-Oct 1999> cannot be found in anywhere> else - even in good textbooks or magazines. Some of> the topics discussed in> this period were - special lagnas like ghati lagna,> arudhas, argalas,> Kalachakra dasa, Moola dasa, rasi dasas like> Narayana dasa, Sudasa, Brahma> dasa and drig dasa, various divisional charts,> Tajaka annual and monthly> charts and mundane charts. Check the archives at>vedic astrology/info.html> >> > IMPORTANT NOTE: This is a forum for the> discussions of concepts and> application. This is not a forum for free> astrological service. 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