Guest guest Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Gayathry <agayathry Sep 10, 2005 3:59 PM The real meaning of Yoga FROM SRI DATTA JNANA PRACHARA PARISHAD It is a pitiable situation of the spiritual knowledge because people are giving lot of importance to the word Yoga while not understanding its real meaning. People speak about the six wheels (Chakras) and there is no reference of these Chakras in the sacred scriptures like Vedas, Gita and Brahma Sutras. This is the creation of a middle age scholar, who has introduced the spiritual subject in symbolic language. The wheels indicate the whirlpools that come across the ocean which have to be crossed by the swimmer who likes to cross this ocean like ignorance. They are like the attractive lotus flowers, which capture and prison the soul, which is like a bee. If Yoga is understood as the concept represented by this symbolic language in its true sense, then I am very happy to the present version of Yoga. But I feel very bad if you really think that there are real wheels or lotus flowers on the spine. You are not finding such things even through very powerful microscope after doing the surgery of spine. Thus you must always have the torch Light of logic and science which must be used wherever and whenever necessary. But you should also know the place where this torchlight should not be used. In analysing yourself and in analysing the true path, you should always use the torch. But when you have recognised the goal, and reached it, you should put off this torchlight because you require blind faith there. Blindness means darkness. The quality Tamas represents Siva, the final form of God and the final blind faith is Tamas only. While reaching the goal, you require the knowledge and analysis. Knowledge is Sattvam, which is the middle divine form or Vishnu. The starting person is a person, who is highly effected by egoism indicated by Rajas representing the first divine form Brahma. Thus the soul, the path and the goal represent the nature of Dattta only. The real meaning of the word Yoga means meeting the Sat guru. The word Yoga comes from the verb "Yuj", which means the union. Sat guru is the human form of the Lord. The Lord will exhibit the Maya consisting of the three qualities. When the devotees are tested, this Maya is mainly made of the full _expression of Rajas and Tamas. Such Maya is used to test your firm faith and your assimilation of the spiritual knowledge. By this devotees generally run away and such Maya of the Lord Datta is very strong and He appears as drunkard and fond of prostitutes. When Kartaveeryarjuna approached Him with his defective hands, the Lord broke the two hands. But he continued in the service with blind faith and got thousand hands. Thus we should have patience in the tests of the Lord. Lord Krishna also showed several defects like steeling the butter, dancing with the women etc., to divert the devotees. In order to have patience in His tests without being disturbed by Rajas and Tamas, one must have pre-training in this world to raise your self beyond these three qualities. In fact the Lord is beyond these three qualities and is untouched by them. To get such kind of patience before the Lord, you have to take training in the world. In such training you will develop the patience to face these divine tests from the Lord in human form. Therefore, Yoga is defined as the union or achievement of this equilibrium unperturbed by these three qualities Yoga is defined by the Lord as this equilibrium (Samatvam Yoga Uchyate—Gita). In the chapter "Atmasamyama Yoga" the details of such training are mentioned. You have to receive both the friend and enemy with equality (Suhrunmitraryudasinah—Gita). By this you will treat the Lord with the same devotion even if He reacts as enemy towards you to test your faith. The Lord also tests your attachment with the worldly bonds with reference to His bond. You must prove that His bond is highest. For this you have to reduce the attractions in the world. Such reduction of your attractions is a part of Yoga and is useful directly before the Lord. You should serve the Lord without aspiring anything in return and you must treat both the respect and insult with equality (Sukh Duhkh Same, Manavamanayoh—Gita). You must treat both profit and loss with equality because when you approach the Lord you may some times get loss instead of profit. Without undergoing such training to achieve self control or Atma Samyama, one can not succeed in the tests of the Lord. Sudama developed such self-control during the poverty for a long time. He did not do any sin in spite of the suffering of his family members with poverty. Such training helped him when he went to Lord Krishna. He stayed with the Lord for a few days. During this period he never asked the Lord for anything. The Lord also sent him back without even a trace of help. Sudama never criticised the Lord for not doing any help. He succeeded in the test of the Lord and achieved infinite wealth. Thus Gita gives the real meaning of Yoga, which is the self- control without being attracted by diversions. Such diversions are these charkas, which are nothing but the obstructions to pass in the test of the Lord. This training is like one full year academic course and is very important. The test of the Lord is a matter of three-hour examination at the end of the year. If you have finished this training, the Lord Himself will come to you in human form, conduct the test and will give you the certificate. Therefore you should concentrate on the Gita, which is called as Yoga Sastra or The scripture of Yoga. The examiner, examination and the certificate are consequent steps, which will take place spontaneously on the divine will. Therefore the study of Gita helps you really on this day of festival and eating these sweets leads only to problems of indigestion. Praising the examiner with songs (Bhajans) also will not help you because the examiner is very clever and strict and cannot be pleased. It is better to hear His divine knowledge, assimilate and pass the examination. Such path gives you a dignity and respect to the divine teacher also. Instead of taking this royal path, why are you sorting to unlawful means of pleasing Lord by chanting His name (Japam), worshipping Him (Puja), singing (Bhajans) in order to get such certificates. Hanuman never did these things except participating in the service of the Lord. He never aspire any thing in return to his service also. He was made the future creator (Brahma) by the Lord and this is the highest certificate. Therefore you can get the highest fruit from the Lord if you practice Yoga in this world in your day-to-day life, which gives you all the necessary training to succeed in the test of the Lord. Looking at the goal should not discourage you, because the goal is very far with so many difficulties. You may fear that you may not reach the goal before the end of this human birth. You keep on trying for it and are in constant trail (Sadhana). In such case the Lord will co-operate with you by granting you any number of human births. The Lord will do His part (Daivamchaivatra—Gita). Even if you slip back in such a trail you will be still granted the human re-birth with favorable spiritual atmosphere (Yogabrashtobhijayate—Gita). But you should sincerely put your effort and should not act artificially. The Lord is omniscient and you cannot fool Him and get the rare human rebirth. One should not think of leaving the family members and house as the real spiritual step. You cannot get the grace of the Lord by simply sacrificing your house and family and claim that you have become the saint. The sacrifice should not be based on your effort and it should be a spontaneous consequence of the devotion to the Lord. Gopikas were wandering in Brindavan leaving their families and the reason for such detachment was the attachment towards the Lord. They became mad due to the absence of the Lord and this madness cannot be compared to the madness of a person obtained by the shock of brain in an accident. In both cases the madness is same but the reasons are different. When Lord Krishna was staying with them, they neglected Him and were doing all their family duties. When the Gopikas were going to Madhura city to sell the butter, Krishna used to obstruct them. They were requesting Him not to disturb their duties. But when Krishna left Brindavan they became mad and left all the duties. The reason for this difference is that when the human incarnation is near negligence enters. Only in His absence the devotion reaches climax and this is human psychology. Human form itself leads to negligence and if such human form stays constantly near the negligence is doubled. By leaving the families and by simply wandering in Brindavan, one will not become a Gopika. Of course, in the Yogavasishta it is said that a common person shall stay far off from the attractions and this will help the concentration on the God initially. But the actual attachment towards the Lord is the only reason for spiritual development. I will give an example. A boy is in love of a girl. In the beginning the boy would leave the house often in order to develop the affair with the girl. But one day the love reaches its climax and now the boy is prepared to leave his parents, house and lots of property to run away with the girl. Now the reason for leaving the parents and property is love with that girl. Some times a boy having psychological disorder may also leave the house. Both the cases are quite different. But again one point should be remembered in such sacrifice. Sankar left His mother because she was fond of Sankara. This bond is a hindrance in the spiritual effort of Sankara. To avoid this Sankara left His mother. If His mother was congenial to the spiritual path of Sankara, Sankara would not have left His mother. Therefore, one should leave the house only when the atmosphere is opposing your spiritual effort. Even in that case one should try his best to change the atmosphere by preaching the family members. Ramanuja left his wife when she continued to obstruct him from his spiritual path in spite of his repeated spiritual advises. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa did not leave his wife since she was fully co-operating with his spiritual effort. Even if the atmosphere is neutral one should not leave the house and hurt others. Only in the case of extreme opposition one should leave the house and go away for the association of real devotees (Nachasanyasanadeva—Gita). There are three types of people. The first type of people is ordinary persons who do not start the spiritual journey. They are strongly attracted by this world and these attractions are the qualities accumulated from millions of births in the soul. Such people are called as Ayukta (Ayuktah Kamakarena Phalesaktah—Gita). The second types of people are called as yogis who practice Yoga and who have not yet completed the training in Yoga. They cannot sacrifice their fruit of the work to the Lord. They can sacrifice the work, devotion by mind, discussions with intelligence and any work with senses of their body like singing songs etc (Kayena Manasa Buddhya—Gita). The third types of people are called as Yuktas, which means the people who have finished the training in Yoga. Such people sacrifice the fruit of work also along with the above (Yuktah Karmaphalam—Gita). The aspects to be achieved by Yoga are the equal reaction to all types of incidents and the reaction must be only peaceful undisturbed balance of mind (Sarvatra Samadarsanah, Prasanta Manasam—Gita). Another aspect is not to think of any worldly matter in leisure time. Such thinking will lead to loss of energy (Nakinchidapi Chintayet—Gita). Another aspect is to realise the achievement of grace of God as the highest profit in the life (Yamlabdhva Naparam—Gita). Another aspect of Yoga is to maintain constant mind even if a mountain of misery falls on you (Na Duhkhe na Gurunapi—Gita). Another aspect of Yoga is not to have even single worldly desire in mind (Nisspruhah Sarvaakamebhyah—Gita). Another aspect of Yoga is to control the worldly activities to the possible minimum level because if God's grace is there, any worldly affair will succeed even with minimum effort (Yuktacheshtasya—Gita). The Lord criticised both science and arts related to worldly aspects (Vedavadaratah, Trigunya Vishayah—Gita). The Lord says that both are waste since you are not touching anything about the Lord (Namyadastiti—Gita). Such people are attracted to the worldly selfish pleasures only and not to please the Lord. The dynamism observed in such people is also not appreciated by the Lord because both walking and running in the wrong direction are useless (Kriya Visesha Bahulam—Gita). The Lord is giving stress on the devotees to cross the difference between good and bad faced in the world. You should be showing the same love and kindness to both good and bad people and also love friends and enemies in the same way. If you praise a good person and a friend and scold a bad person and enemy, you have failed in the Yoga. Tomorrow when you reach the Lord in the human form, He will appear bad and damage you like any. Then you will scold the Lord also. For example the devotees of Vishnu criticise Lord Siva, since Lord Siva appears with the qualities of Tamas. This is very important essence of Gita that one will succeed in the tests of the Lord in human form only if he raises himself above the three qualities (Satvam, Rajas and Tamas). Therefore you should not be disturbed by the negative qualities or positive qualities in the world like insult and honour, enmity and friendship, loss and benefit, misery and happiness etc (Gunanetanatetyatrin—Gita). Only such devotee can succeed the tests of the Lord and can please the Lord. This yukta state, which is the final stage of the Yoga, is called as the real sanyasa. Here the word sanyasa does not mean the external indications like saffron cloth, leaving the house etc (Naniragnih— Gita). The sanyasin is that person who has completely sacrificed everything and everyone for the sake of the service to the Lord. Such sanyasin or yukta alone can be fully blessed by the Lord and enters the inner most circle of the Lord (Brahmabhuyaya—Gita). ParaBrahman is the unimaginable Lord who is speaking Gita. Such ParaBrahman is speaking through the mouth of the external body of Lord Krishna. The ParaBrahman or the Lord with His characteristics is completely unknown and nobody can ever know at any time (Mantuveda Nakashchana— Gita). This Lord generates the power called Maya. The characteristics of Maya are awareness, force and work. These three qualities of Maya are wonderful and are beyond the rules of Prakruti or Nature (Jnana Bala Kriya cha—Veda). His Holiness Shri Datta Swami Website address: http://www.universal-spirituality.org Developed by Smt. Devi & Shri Nikhil, FLORIDA, USA e-mail address: swami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 om namo bhagawate rudraya the observation in this article "there is no reference of these Chakras in the sacred scriptures like Vedas, Gita and Brahma Sutras. This is the creation of a middle age scholar, who has introduced the spiritual subject in symbolic language." is incorrect. i can cite MANY hindu holy scriptures which mentions the kundalini energy, the nadis and the chakras in the body. here i am not proving that what this article writes is wrong. one shall not belittle our holy scriptures which contain literally EVERYTHING in the world. in priase of lord shiva arjunKASTURI SUBBA RAO <kasturisrao > wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ----------Gayathry <agayathry >Date: Sep 10, 2005 3:59 PM The real meaning of YogaFROM SRI DATTA JNANA PRACHARA PARISHADIt is a pitiable situation of the spiritual knowledge because people thereis no reference of these Chakras in the sacred scriptures like Vedas, Gita and Brahma Sutras. This is the creation of a middle age scholar, who has introduced the spiritual subject in symbolic language.are giving lot of importance to the word Yoga while not understanding its real meaning. People speak about the six wheels (Chakras) and The wheels indicate the whirlpools that come across the ocean which have to be crossed by the swimmer who likes to cross this ocean like ignorance. They are like the attractive lotus flowers, which capture andprison the soul, which is like a bee. If Yoga is understood as the concept represented by this symbolic language in its true sense, then I am very happy to the present version of Yoga. But I feel very bad ifyou really think that there are real wheels or lotus flowers on the spine. You are not finding such things even through very powerful microscope after doing the surgery of spine. Thus you must always have the torch Light of logic and science which must be used wherever and whenever necessary. But you should also know the place where this torchlight should not be used. In analysing yourself and in analysing the true path, you should always use the torch. But when you haverecognised the goal, and reached it, you should putoff this torchlight because you require blind faiththere. Blindness means darkness. The quality Tamas represents Siva, the final form of God and the final blind faith is Tamas only. While reaching the goal, you require the knowledge and analysis. Knowledge is Sattvam, which is the middle divine form or Vishnu. The starting person is a person, who is highly effected by egoism indicated by Rajas representing the first divine form Brahma. Thus the soul, the path and the goal represent the nature of Dattta only. The real meaning of the word Yoga means meeting the Sat guru. The word Yoga comes from the verb "Yuj", which means the union. Sat guru is the human form of the Lord. The Lord will exhibit the Maya consisting of the three qualities. When the devotees are tested, this Maya is mainly made of the full _expression of Rajas and Tamas. Such Maya is used to test your firm faith and your assimilation of the spiritual knowledge. By this devotees generally runaway and such Maya of the Lord Datta is very strong and He appears as drunkard and fond of prostitutes. When Kartaveeryarjuna approached Him with his defective hands, the Lord broke the two hands. But he continued in the service with blind faith and gotthousand hands. Thus we should have patience in the tests of the Lord. Lord Krishna also showed several defects like steeling the butter, dancing with the women etc., to divert the devotees. In order to havepatience in His tests without being disturbed by Rajas and Tamas, one must have pre-training in this world to raise your self beyond these three qualities. In fact the Lord is beyond these three qualities and isuntouched by them. To get such kind of patience before the Lord, you have to take training in the world. In such training you will develop the patience to face these divine tests from the Lord in human form.Therefore, Yoga is defined as the union or achievement of this equilibrium unperturbed by these three qualities Yoga is defined by the Lord as this equilibrium (Samatvam Yoga Uchyate—Gita). In the chapter "Atmasamyama Yoga" the details of such training are mentioned. You have to receive both the friend and enemy with equality (Suhrunmitraryudasinah—Gita). By this you will treat the Lord with the same devotion even if He reacts as enemy towards you to test your faith. The Lord also tests your attachment with the worldly bonds with reference to His bond. You must prove that His bond ishighest. For this you have to reduce the attractions in the world. Such reduction of your attractions is a part of Yoga and is useful directly before the Lord. You should serve the Lord without aspiring anything inreturn and you must treat both the respect and insult with equality (Sukh Duhkh Same, Manavamanayoh—Gita).You must treat both profit and loss with equality because when you approach the Lord you may some times get loss instead of profit. Without undergoing such training to achieve self control or Atma Samyama, one can not succeed in the tests of the Lord. Sudamadeveloped such self-control during the poverty for a long time. He did not do any sin in spite of the suffering of his family members with poverty. Such training helped him when he went to Lord Krishna. Hestayed with the Lord for a few days. During this period he never asked the Lord for anything. The Lord also sent him back without even a trace of help. Sudama never criticised the Lord for not doing anyhelp. He succeeded in the test of the Lord and achieved infinite wealth. Thus Gita gives the real meaning of Yoga, which is the self-control without being attracted by diversions. Such diversions are these charkas, which are nothing but the obstructions to pass in the test of the Lord. This training is like one full year academic course and is very important.The test of the Lord is a matter of three-hour examination at the end of the year. If you have finished this training, the Lord Himself will come to you in human form, conduct the test and will give youthe certificate. Therefore you should concentrate on the Gita, which is called as Yoga Sastra or The scripture of Yoga. The examiner, examination and the certificate are consequent steps, which will take place spontaneously on the divine will. Therefore thestudy of Gita helps you really on this day of festival and eating these sweets leads only to problems of indigestion. Praising the examiner with songs (Bhajans) also will not help you because the examineris very clever and strict and cannot be pleased. It is better to hear His divine knowledge, assimilate and pass the examination. Such path gives you a dignity and respect to the divine teacher also. Instead oftaking this royal path, why are you sorting to unlawful means of pleasing Lord by chanting His name (Japam), worshipping Him (Puja), singing (Bhajans) in order to get such certificates. Hanuman never didthese things except participating in the service of the Lord. He never aspire any thing in return to his service also. He was made the future creator (Brahma) by the Lord and this is the highest certificate.Therefore you can get the highest fruit from the Lord if you practice Yoga in this world in your day-to-day life, which gives you all the necessary training to succeed in the test of the Lord. Looking at the goal should not discourage you, because the goal is very far with so many difficulties. You may fear that you may not reach the goal before the end of this human birth. You keep ontrying for it and are in constant trail (Sadhana). In such case the Lord will co-operate with you by granting you any number of human births. The Lord will do His part (Daivamchaivatra—Gita). Even if you slipback in such a trail you will be still granted the human re-birth with favorable spiritual atmosphere (Yogabrashtobhijayate—Gita). But you should sincerely put your effort and should not act artificially. TheLord is omniscient and you cannot fool Him and get the rare human rebirth.One should not think of leaving the family members and house as the real spiritual step. You cannot get the grace of the Lord by simplysacrificing your house and family and claim that you have become the saint. The sacrifice should not be based on your effort and it should be a spontaneous consequence of the devotion to the Lord. Gopikas were wandering in Brindavan leaving their families and the reason for such detachment was the attachment towards the Lord. They became mad due to the absence of the Lord and this madness cannot be compared to the madness of a person obtained by the shock of brain inan accident. In both cases the madness is same but the reasons are different. When Lord Krishna was staying with them, they neglected Him and were doing all their family duties. When the Gopikas were going to Madhura city to sell the butter, Krishna used to obstructthem. They were requesting Him not to disturb their duties. But when Krishna left Brindavan they became mad and left all the duties. The reason for this difference is that when the human incarnation is nearnegligence enters. Only in His absence the devotion reaches climax and this is human psychology. Human form itself leads to negligence and if such human form stays constantly near the negligence is doubled. By leaving the families and by simply wandering in Brindavan, one will not become a Gopika. Of course, in the Yogavasishta it is said that a common person shall stay far off from the attractions and this will help the concentration on the God initially. Butthe actual attachment towards the Lord is the only reason for spiritual development. I will give an example. A boy is in love of a girl. In the beginning the boy would leave the house often in order to develop the affair with the girl. But one day the love reaches its climax and now the boy is prepared to leave his parents, house and lots of property to run away with the girl. Now the reason for leaving the parents and property is love with that girl. Some times a boy having psychological disorder may also leave the house. Both the cases are quite different.But again one point should be remembered in such sacrifice. Sankar left His mother because she was fond of Sankara. This bond is a hindrance in the spiritual effort of Sankara. To avoid this Sankara left His mother. If His mother was congenial to the spiritual path of Sankara, Sankara would not have left His mother. Therefore, one should leave the house only when the atmosphere is opposing your spiritual effort. Even in that case one should try his best to changethe atmosphere by preaching the family members. Ramanuja left his wife when she continued to obstruct him from his spiritual path in spite of his repeated spiritual advises. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa did notleave his wife since she was fully co-operating with his spiritual effort. Even if the atmosphere is neutral one should not leave the house and hurt others. Only in the case of extreme opposition one should leave the house and go away for the association of real devotees (Nachasanyasanadeva—Gita).There are three types of people. The first type of people is ordinary persons who do not start the spiritual journey. They are strongly attracted by this world and these attractions are the qualities accumulated from millions of births in the soul. Such people are called as Ayukta (Ayuktah Kamakarena Phalesaktah—Gita). The second types of people are called as yogis who practice Yoga and who have not yet completed the training in Yoga. They cannot sacrifice their fruit of the work to the Lord. They can sacrifice the work, devotion by mind,discussions with intelligence and any work with senses of their body like singing songs etc (Kayena Manasa Buddhya—Gita). The third types of people are called as Yuktas, which means the people who have finished the training in Yoga. Such people sacrifice the fruit ofwork also along with the above (Yuktah Karmaphalam—Gita). The aspects to be achieved by Yoga are the equal reaction to all types of incidents and the reaction must be only peaceful undisturbed balanceof mind (Sarvatra Samadarsanah, Prasanta Manasam—Gita). Another aspect is not to think of any worldly matter in leisure time. Such thinking will lead to loss of energy (Nakinchidapi Chintayet—Gita).Another aspect is to realise the achievement of grace of God as the highest profit in the life (Yamlabdhva Naparam—Gita). Another aspect of Yoga is to maintain constant mind even if a mountain of misery falls on you (Na Duhkhe na Gurunapi—Gita). Another aspect of Yoga is not to have even single worldly desire inmind (Nisspruhah Sarvaakamebhyah—Gita). Another aspect of Yoga is to control the worldly activities to the possible minimum level because if God's grace is there, any worldly affair will succeed even withminimum effort (Yuktacheshtasya—Gita). The Lord criticised both science and arts related to worldly aspects (Vedavadaratah, Trigunya Vishayah—Gita). The Lord says that both are waste since you are not touching anything about the Lord (Namyadastiti—Gita). Such people are attracted to the worldly selfish pleasures only and not to please the Lord. The dynamism observed in such people is also not appreciated by the Lord because both walking and running in the wrong direction are useless (Kriya Visesha Bahulam—Gita). The Lord is giving stress on the devotees to cross the difference between good and bad faced in the world. You should be showing the same love and kindness to both good and bad people and also love friends and enemies in the same way. If you praise a good person and a friend and scold a bad person and enemy, you have failed in the Yoga. Tomorrow when you reach the Lord in the human form, He will appear bad and damage you like any. Then you willscold the Lord also. For example the devotees of Vishnu criticise Lord Siva, since Lord Siva appears with the qualities of Tamas. This is very important essence of Gita that one will succeed in the tests ofthe Lord in human form only if he raises himself above the three qualities (Satvam, Rajas and Tamas). Therefore you should not be disturbed by the negative qualities or positive qualities in the world like insult and honour, enmity and friendship, loss and benefit, misery and happiness etc (Gunanetanatetyatrin—Gita). Only such devotee can succeed the tests of the Lord and can please the Lord. This yukta state, which is the final stage of the Yoga, is called as the real sanyasa. Here the word sanyasa does not mean the external indications like saffron cloth, leaving the house etc (Naniragnih—Gita). The sanyasin is that person who has completely sacrificed everything and everyone for the sake of the service to the Lord. Such sanyasin oryukta alone can be fully blessed by the Lord and enters the inner most circle of the Lord (Brahmabhuyaya—Gita). ParaBrahman is the unimaginable Lord who is speaking Gita. Such ParaBrahman is speaking through the mouth of the external body of Lord Krishna. The ParaBrahman or the Lord with His characteristics is completelyunknown and nobody can ever know at any time (Mantuveda Nakashchana—Gita). This Lord generates the power called Maya. The characteristics of Maya are awareness, force and work. These three qualities of Maya are wonderful and are beyond the rules of Prakruti or Nature (Jnana Bala Kriya cha—Veda). His Holiness Shri Datta SwamiWebsite address: http://www.universal-spirituality.org Developed by Smt. Devi & Shri Nikhil, FLORIDA, USA e-mail address: swami (AT) universal-spirituality (DOT) org for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Dear Kasturi Subba Rao, I absolutely agree with Ajrunji, I have not read vedas and other hindu scriptures but I have read a lot about chakras, and all the books I have read about chakras show their roots in ancient hinduism, buddhism and Vedas, and also the concept of chakras is not fault, they are the energy centers that connect our soul and body to the universal energy, I practice Reiki 1 and feel the chakra points, we can heal both emotional and physical aspects of people by working in chakras, if the energy in the chakra is not in syncronization with the universal energy people become disease prone or sick and they can be cured by synchronizing their chakras. Om namah shivaya, Best Regards, Divakar. --- arjun pandit <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear friends > > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > the observation in this article "there is no > reference of these Chakras in the sacred scriptures > like Vedas, Gita and Brahma Sutras. This is the > creation of a middle age scholar, who has introduced > the spiritual subject in symbolic language." is > incorrect. > > i can cite MANY hindu holy scriptures which mentions > the kundalini energy, the nadis and the chakras in > the body. here i am not proving that what this > article writes is wrong. one shall not belittle our > holy scriptures which contain literally EVERYTHING > in the world. > > > in priase of lord shiva > > arjun > > KASTURI SUBBA RAO <kasturisrao wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Gayathry <agayathry > Sep 10, 2005 3:59 PM > The real meaning of Yoga > > FROM SRI DATTA JNANA PRACHARA PARISHAD > > It is a pitiable situation of the spiritual > knowledge because people there > is no reference of these Chakras in the sacred > scriptures like > Vedas, Gita and Brahma Sutras. This is the creation > of a middle age > scholar, who has introduced the spiritual subject in > symbolic > language. > > are giving lot of importance to the word Yoga while > not > understanding its real meaning. People speak about > the six wheels > (Chakras) and The wheels indicate the whirlpools > that come across the ocean which > have to be crossed by the swimmer who likes to cross > this ocean like > ignorance. They are like the attractive lotus > flowers, which capture > and > prison the soul, which is like a bee. If Yoga is > understood as the > concept represented by this symbolic language in its > true sense, > then I am very happy to the present version of Yoga. > But I feel very > bad if > you really think that there are real wheels or lotus > flowers on the > spine. You are not finding such things even through > very powerful > microscope after doing the surgery of spine. Thus > you must always > have the torch > > Light of logic and science which must be used > wherever and whenever > necessary. But you should also know the place where > this torchlight > should not be used. In analysing yourself and in > analysing the true > path, you should always use the torch. But when you > have > recognised the goal, and reached it, you should put > off this torchlight because you require blind faith > there. Blindness means darkness. The quality Tamas > represents Siva, > the final form of God and the final blind faith is > Tamas only. While > reaching the goal, you require the knowledge and > analysis. Knowledge > is Sattvam, which is the middle divine form or > Vishnu. The starting > person is a person, who is highly effected by egoism > indicated by > Rajas representing the first divine form Brahma. > Thus the soul, the > path and the goal represent the nature of Dattta > only. > > The real meaning of the word Yoga means meeting the > Sat guru. The > word Yoga comes from the verb "Yuj", which means the > union. Sat guru > is the human form of the Lord. The Lord will exhibit > > the Maya consisting of the three qualities. When the > devotees are > tested, this Maya is mainly made of the full > _expression of Rajas > and Tamas. Such Maya is used to test your firm faith > and your > assimilation of the spiritual knowledge. By this > devotees generally > run > away and such Maya of the Lord Datta is very strong > and He appears > as drunkard and fond of prostitutes. When > Kartaveeryarjuna > approached Him with his defective hands, the Lord > broke the two > hands. But he continued in the service with blind > faith and got > thousand hands. Thus we should have patience in the > tests of the > Lord. Lord Krishna also showed several defects like > steeling the > butter, dancing with the women etc., to divert the > devotees. In > order to have > patience in His tests without being disturbed by > Rajas and Tamas, > one must have pre-training in this world to raise > your self beyond > these three qualities. In fact the Lord is beyond > these three > qualities and is > untouched by them. To get such kind of patience > before the Lord, you > have to take training in the world. In such training > you will > develop the patience to face these divine tests from > the Lord in > human form. > Therefore, Yoga is defined as the union or > achievement of this > equilibrium unperturbed by these three qualities > Yoga is defined by > the Lord as this equilibrium (Samatvam Yoga > Uchyate—Gita). In the > chapter "Atmasamyama Yoga" the details of such > training are > mentioned. You have to receive both the friend and > enemy with > equality (Suhrunmitraryudasinah—Gita). By this you > will treat the > Lord with the same devotion even if He reacts as > enemy towards you > to test your faith. The Lord also tests your > attachment with the > worldly bonds with reference to His bond. You must > prove that His > bond is > highest. For this you have to reduce the attractions > in the world. > Such reduction of your attractions is a part of Yoga > and is useful > directly before the Lord. You should serve the Lord > without aspiring > anything in > return and you must treat both the respect and > insult > with equality (Sukh Duhkh Same, Manavamanayoh—Gita). > You must treat both profit and loss with equality > because when you > approach the Lord you may some times get loss > instead of profit. > Without undergoing such training to achieve self > control or Atma > Samyama, one can not succeed in the tests of the > Lord. Sudama > developed such self-control during the poverty for a > long time. He > did not do any sin in spite of the suffering of his > family members > with poverty. Such training helped him when he went > to Lord Krishna. > He > stayed with the Lord for a few days. During this > period he never > asked the Lord for anything. The Lord also sent him > back without > even a trace of help. Sudama never criticised the > Lord for not doing > any > help. He succeeded in the test of the Lord and > achieved infinite > wealth. Thus Gita gives the real meaning of Yoga, > which is the self- > control without being attracted by diversions. Such > diversions are > these charkas, which are nothing but the > obstructions to pass in the > test of the Lord. This training is like one full > year academic > course and is very important. > The test of the Lord is a matter of three-hour > examination at the > end of the year. If you have finished this training, > the === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 With all due reverence and regards to the thoughts expressed by you, I would like to clarify the matter as appended under. Ramayana, the pious epic was originally written by Maharshi Valmiki later it was translated or rewritten by various scholars. While it was reproduced the same version was not presented. Either some portion or thought is added or some of the incidents deleted. Just for example, in original Valmiki's Ramayana Rama and Lakshman were taken by "Rishi Viswa Mitra" to the court where "Swayamvar" was taking place. In Tulsi Ramayana Lord Rama was seen by Sitama and vice versa while walking along side "Anthapur" or "Ranivas". One cannot say it wrong or right. The writers while producing an epic or Kavya their thought or "Anubhuti" is punched in. The story of Doorvas Maharshi's Curse on "shakuntala" was not seen in original version where as it was added by "Maha Kavi Kalidas" in the name of "Abhigyan" (An identity or a reminder). These two examples corroborate the addition of thoughts by later writers. Further when an incident or a version is read by one for the first time will have lasting impression and cannot accept the other versions. This is very common observation by one and all. I would like to clarify that the Subject mail was a forward mail, which is an excerpt from the speeches of "Datta Swami", an accepted and well renowned saint, sent by Gayathry jee. This was accepted for the benefit of the readers. So I request to honour by reserving any Comments, to show a mark of respect to "Swami" Regards, KS Rao On 9/13/05, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote: Dear Kasturi Subba Rao,I absolutely agree with Ajrunji, I have not read vedasand other hindu scriptures but I have read a lot about chakras, and all the books I have read about chakrasshow their roots in ancient hinduism, buddhism andVedas, and also the concept of chakras is not fault,they are the energy centers that connect our soul and body to the universal energy, I practice Reiki 1 andfeel the chakra points, we can heal both emotional andphysical aspects of people by working in chakras, ifthe energy in the chakra is not in syncronization with the universal energy people become disease prone orsick and they can be cured by synchronizing theirchakras.Om namah shivaya,Best Regards,Divakar. --- arjun pandit <panditarjun2004 > wrote: > dear friends> > om namo bhagawate rudraya> > the observation in this article "there is no> reference of these Chakras in the sacred scriptures> like Vedas, Gita and Brahma Sutras. This is the > creation of a middle age scholar, who has introduced> the spiritual subject in symbolic language." is> incorrect.> > i can cite MANY hindu holy scriptures which mentions> the kundalini energy, the nadis and the chakras in > the body. here i am not proving that what this> article writes is wrong. one shall not belittle our> holy scriptures which contain literally EVERYTHING> in the world.> > > in priase of lord shiva > > arjun> > KASTURI SUBBA RAO <kasturisrao > wrote:> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Gayathry <agayathry >> Sep 10, 2005 3:59 PM > Subject: The real meaning of Yoga > > FROM SRI DATTA JNANA PRACHARA PARISHAD> > It is a pitiable situation of the spiritual> knowledge because people there> is no reference of these Chakras in the sacred> scriptures like > Vedas, Gita and Brahma Sutras. This is the creation> of a middle age > scholar, who has introduced the spiritual subject in> symbolic > language.> > are giving lot of importance to the word Yoga while > not > understanding its real meaning. People speak about> the six wheels > (Chakras) and The wheels indicate the whirlpools> that come across the ocean which > have to be crossed by the swimmer who likes to cross > this ocean like > ignorance. They are like the attractive lotus> flowers, which capture > and> prison the soul, which is like a bee. If Yoga is> understood as the > concept represented by this symbolic language in its > true sense, > then I am very happy to the present version of Yoga.> But I feel very > bad if> you really think that there are real wheels or lotus> flowers on the > spine. You are not finding such things even through > very powerful > microscope after doing the surgery of spine. Thus> you must always > have the torch > > Light of logic and science which must be used> wherever and whenever > necessary. But you should also know the place where> this torchlight > should not be used. In analysing yourself and in> analysing the true > path, you should always use the torch. But when you > have> recognised the goal, and reached it, you should put> off this torchlight because you require blind faith> there. Blindness means darkness. The quality Tamas> represents Siva, > the final form of God and the final blind faith is> Tamas only. While > reaching the goal, you require the knowledge and> analysis. Knowledge > is Sattvam, which is the middle divine form or > Vishnu. The starting > person is a person, who is highly effected by egoism> indicated by > Rajas representing the first divine form Brahma.> Thus the soul, the > path and the goal represent the nature of Dattta > only. > > The real meaning of the word Yoga means meeting the> Sat guru. The > word Yoga comes from the verb "Yuj", which means the> union. Sat guru > is the human form of the Lord. The Lord will exhibit > > the Maya consisting of the three qualities. When the> devotees are > tested, this Maya is mainly made of the full> _expression of Rajas > and Tamas. Such Maya is used to test your firm faith > and your > assimilation of the spiritual knowledge. By this> devotees generally > run> away and such Maya of the Lord Datta is very strong> and He appears > as drunkard and fond of prostitutes. When > Kartaveeryarjuna > approached Him with his defective hands, the Lord> broke the two > hands. But he continued in the service with blind> faith and got> thousand hands. Thus we should have patience in the > tests of the > Lord. Lord Krishna also showed several defects like> steeling the > butter, dancing with the women etc., to divert the> devotees. In > order to have> patience in His tests without being disturbed by > Rajas and Tamas, > one must have pre-training in this world to raise> your self beyond > these three qualities. In fact the Lord is beyond> these three > qualities and is> untouched by them. To get such kind of patience > before the Lord, you > have to take training in the world. In such training> you will > develop the patience to face these divine tests from> the Lord in > human form.> Therefore, Yoga is defined as the union or > achievement of this > equilibrium unperturbed by these three qualities> Yoga is defined by > the Lord as this equilibrium (Samatvam Yoga> Uchyate—Gita). In the > chapter "Atmasamyama Yoga" the details of such > training are > mentioned. You have to receive both the friend and> enemy with > equality (Suhrunmitraryudasinah—Gita). By this you> will treat the > Lord with the same devotion even if He reacts as > enemy towards you > to test your faith. The Lord also tests your> attachment with the > worldly bonds with reference to His bond. You must> prove that His > bond is> highest. For this you have to reduce the attractions > in the world. > Such reduction of your attractions is a part of Yoga> and is useful > directly before the Lord. You should serve the Lord> without aspiring > anything in> return and you must treat both the respect and > insult > with equality (Sukh Duhkh Same, Manavamanayoh—Gita).> You must treat both profit and loss with equality> because when you > approach the Lord you may some times get loss> instead of profit. > Without undergoing such training to achieve self> control or Atma > Samyama, one can not succeed in the tests of the> Lord. Sudama> developed such self-control during the poverty for a > long time. He > did not do any sin in spite of the suffering of his> family members > with poverty. Such training helped him when he went> to Lord Krishna. > He> stayed with the Lord for a few days. During this > period he never > asked the Lord for anything. The Lord also sent him> back without > even a trace of help. Sudama never criticised the> Lord for not doing > any> help. He succeeded in the test of the Lord and > achieved infinite > wealth. Thus Gita gives the real meaning of Yoga,> which is the self-> control without being attracted by diversions. Such> diversions are > these charkas, which are nothing but the > obstructions to pass in the > test of the Lord. This training is like one full> year academic > course and is very important.> The test of the Lord is a matter of three-hour> examination at the > end of the year. If you have finished this training,> the === message truncated ===Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Visit your group "" on the web. -- KS Rao,Navi MumbaiCell: 93242 94531 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Dear KS Rao ji, Thank you for your clarification and I understand your opinion on the scriptures, Over the generations scriptutes have changed according to the situations and cultures, but the intent is mostly the same, what I feel is we have to look at them in a broader sense and try to assimilate the good, some times I felt some stories as silly and some serious contradictions in what I have read, but over the period the good in these scriptures have over powered these contradictions. As per Swamiji's observations, I am humbly just disagreeing with him, no disrespect here, may be I am wrong but from what I have read and what I practice as a Reiki 1 practitioner, I feel the presense of chakras and their connection with the universal energy or life force. Chakras are form less and shapeless since they are energy, some auhthors might have added those imaginations like lotus etc but chakras exist. Medical siciene explains human body, but how will you explain the life, the thought process, etc. this life engerty flows in the body through chakrs. For example please observe artists like vocal singers, musicians etc, they have a very attractive aura in them, they have radient energy which is quite evident, it is because by sadhana they activate their 3rd chakra ( I dont know the sanskrit name of it), which generates a lot of energy. Music has healing properties, but how is that possibnle, this happens because the music energy or vibrations work on our body energy and synchronize our enrgy with devine or universal energy. these are my sincere opinions, no offence to to anyone, disagreement on issues is not disrespect, I am very open about these issues and I am still a humble learner. Best Regards, Om namah shivaya, divakar. --- KS Rao <kasturisrao wrote: > Sh. Divakara, Sh. Arjun Pandit, > > With all due reverence and regards to the thoughts > expressed by you, I would > like to clarify the matter as appended under. > > Ramayana, the pious epic was originally written by > Maharshi Valmiki later > it was translated or rewritten by various scholars. > While it was reproduced > the same version was not presented. Either some > portion or thought is added > or some of the incidents deleted. Just for example, > in original Valmiki's > Ramayana Rama and Lakshman were taken by "Rishi > Viswa Mitra" to the court > where "Swayamvar" was taking place. In Tulsi > Ramayana Lord Rama was seen by > Sitama and vice versa while walking along side > "Anthapur" or "Ranivas". One > cannot say it wrong or right. The writers while > producing an epic or Kavya > their thought or "Anubhuti" is punched in. > > The story of Doorvas Maharshi's Curse on > "shakuntala" was not seen in > original version where as it was added by "Maha Kavi > Kalidas" in the name of > "Abhigyan" (An identity or a reminder). These two > examples corroborate the > addition of thoughts by later writers. > > Further when an incident or a version is read by > one for the first time > will have lasting impression and cannot accept the > other versions. This is > very common observation by one and all. > > I would like to clarify that the Subject mail was a > forward mail, which is > an excerpt from the speeches of "Datta Swami", an > accepted and well renowned > saint, sent by Gayathry jee. This was accepted for > the benefit of the > readers. > > So I request to honour by reserving any Comments, > to show a mark of respect > to "Swami" > Regards, > KS Rao > On 9/13/05, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote: > > > Dear Kasturi Subba Rao, > > > > I absolutely agree with Ajrunji, I have not read > vedas > > and other hindu scriptures but I have read a lot > about > > chakras, and all the books I have read about > chakras > > show their roots in ancient hinduism, buddhism and > > Vedas, and also the concept of chakras is not > fault, > > they are the energy centers that connect our soul > and > > body to the universal energy, I practice Reiki 1 > and > > feel the chakra points, we can heal both emotional > and > > physical aspects of people by working in chakras, > if > > the energy in the chakra is not in syncronization > with > > the universal energy people become disease prone > or > > sick and they can be cured by synchronizing their > > chakras. > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > Best Regards, > > Divakar. > > > > --- arjun pandit <panditarjun2004 > wrote: > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > > > > > the observation in this article "there is no > > > reference of these Chakras in the sacred > scriptures > > > like Vedas, Gita and Brahma Sutras. This is the > > > creation of a middle age scholar, who has > introduced > > > the spiritual subject in symbolic language." is > > > incorrect. > > > > > > i can cite MANY hindu holy scriptures which > mentions > > > the kundalini energy, the nadis and the chakras > in > > > the body. here i am not proving that what this > > > article writes is wrong. one shall not belittle > our > > > holy scriptures which contain literally > EVERYTHING > > > in the world. > > > > > > > > > in priase of lord shiva > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > KASTURI SUBBA RAO <kasturisrao wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > Gayathry <agayathry > > > Sep 10, 2005 3:59 PM > > > The real meaning of Yoga > > > > > > FROM SRI DATTA JNANA PRACHARA PARISHAD > > > > > > It is a pitiable situation of the spiritual > > > knowledge because people there > > > is no reference of these Chakras in the sacred > > > scriptures like > > > Vedas, Gita and Brahma Sutras. This is the > creation > > > of a middle age > > > scholar, who has introduced the spiritual > subject in > > > symbolic > > > language. > > > > > > are giving lot of importance to the word Yoga > while > > > not > > > understanding its real meaning. People speak > about > > > the six wheels > > > (Chakras) and The wheels indicate the whirlpools > > > that come across the ocean which > > > have to be crossed by the swimmer who likes to > cross > > > this ocean like > > > ignorance. They are like the attractive lotus > > > flowers, which capture > > > and > > > prison the soul, which is like a bee. If Yoga is > > > understood as the > > > concept represented by this symbolic language in > its > > > true sense, > > > then I am very happy to the present version of > Yoga. > > > But I feel very > > > bad if > > > you really think that there are real wheels or > lotus > > > flowers on the > > > spine. You are not finding such things even > through > > > very powerful > > > microscope after doing the surgery of spine. > Thus > > > you must always > > > have the torch > > > > > > Light of logic and science which must be used > > > wherever and whenever > > > necessary. But you should also know the place > where > > > this torchlight > > > should not be used. In analysing yourself and in > > > analysing the true > > > path, you should always use the torch. But when > you > > > have > > > recognised the goal, and reached it, you should > put > > > off this torchlight because you require blind > faith > > > there. Blindness means darkness. The quality > Tamas > > > represents Siva, > > > the final form of God and the final blind faith > is > > > Tamas only. While > > > reaching the goal, you require the knowledge and > > > analysis. Knowledge > > > is Sattvam, which is the middle divine form or > > > Vishnu. The starting > > > person is a person, who is highly effected by > egoism > > > indicated by > > > Rajas representing the first divine form Brahma. > > > Thus the soul, the > > > path and the goal represent the nature of Dattta > > > only. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Sh. Divakar, Thanks for the mail. It is glad to note that you are a Reiki Practitioner. With Grace of Lord Shiva I have acquired Reiki mastership while I was in Delhi in 1997. As you are already aware, practicing Reiki Symbols is daily chores and is very essential. I am not supposed to scribble this in Om Namah Shivaya group but for the feeling from Reiki family member,I could not resist. As regards to Chakras an article was covered in this group vide message Serial no 27. You may like to refer. Than you once again, Warm regards, KS Rao , Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> wrote: > Dear KS Rao ji, > > Thank you for your clarification and I understand your > opinion on the scriptures, Over the generations > scriptutes have changed according to the situations > and cultures, but the intent is mostly the same, what > I feel is we have to look at them in a broader sense > and try to assimilate the good, some times I felt some > stories as silly and some serious contradictions in > what I have read, but over the period the good in > these scriptures have over powered these > contradictions. > > As per Swamiji's observations, I am humbly just > disagreeing with him, no disrespect here, may be I am > wrong but from what I have read and what I practice as > a Reiki 1 practitioner, I feel the presense of chakras > and their connection with the universal energy or life > force. > > Chakras are form less and shapeless since they are > energy, some auhthors might have added those > imaginations like lotus etc but chakras exist. > > Medical siciene explains human body, but how will you > explain the life, the thought process, etc. this life > engerty flows in the body through chakrs. > > For example please observe artists like vocal singers, > musicians etc, they have a very attractive aura in > them, they have radient energy which is quite evident, > it is because by sadhana they activate their 3rd > chakra ( I dont know the sanskrit name of it), which > generates a lot of energy. > > Music has healing properties, but how is that > possibnle, this happens because the music energy or > vibrations work on our body energy and synchronize our > enrgy with devine or universal energy. > > these are my sincere opinions, no offence to to > anyone, disagreement on issues is not disrespect, I am > very open about these issues and I am still a humble > learner. > > Best Regards, > Om namah shivaya, > divakar. > > > --- KS Rao <kasturisrao@g...> wrote: > > > Sh. Divakara, Sh. Arjun Pandit, > > > > With all due reverence and regards to the thoughts > > expressed by you, I would > > like to clarify the matter as appended under. > > > > Ramayana, the pious epic was originally written by > > Maharshi Valmiki later > > it was translated or rewritten by various scholars. > > While it was reproduced > > the same version was not presented. Either some > > portion or thought is added > > or some of the incidents deleted. Just for example, > > in original Valmiki's > > Ramayana Rama and Lakshman were taken by "Rishi > > Viswa Mitra" to the court > > where "Swayamvar" was taking place. In Tulsi > > Ramayana Lord Rama was seen by > > Sitama and vice versa while walking along side > > "Anthapur" or "Ranivas". One > > cannot say it wrong or right. The writers while > > producing an epic or Kavya > > their thought or "Anubhuti" is punched in. > > > > The story of Doorvas Maharshi's Curse on > > "shakuntala" was not seen in > > original version where as it was added by "Maha Kavi > > Kalidas" in the name of > > "Abhigyan" (An identity or a reminder). These two > > examples corroborate the > > addition of thoughts by later writers. > > > > Further when an incident or a version is read by > > one for the first time > > will have lasting impression and cannot accept the > > other versions. This is > > very common observation by one and all. > > > > I would like to clarify that the Subject mail was a > > forward mail, which is > > an excerpt from the speeches of "Datta Swami", an > > accepted and well renowned > > saint, sent by Gayathry jee. This was accepted for > > the benefit of the > > readers. > > > > So I request to honour by reserving any Comments, > > to show a mark of respect > > to "Swami" > > Regards, > > KS Rao > > On 9/13/05, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Kasturi Subba Rao, > > > > > > I absolutely agree with Ajrunji, I have not read > > vedas > > > and other hindu scriptures but I have read a lot > > about > > > chakras, and all the books I have read about > > chakras > > > show their roots in ancient hinduism, buddhism and > > > Vedas, and also the concept of chakras is not > > fault, > > > they are the energy centers that connect our soul > > and > > > body to the universal energy, I practice Reiki 1 > > and > > > feel the chakra points, we can heal both emotional > > and > > > physical aspects of people by working in chakras, > > if > > > the energy in the chakra is not in syncronization > > with > > > the universal energy people become disease prone > > or > > > sick and they can be cured by synchronizing their > > > chakras. > > > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > > Best Regards, > > > Divakar. > > > > > > --- arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> > > wrote: > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > > > > > > > the observation in this article "there is no > > > > reference of these Chakras in the sacred > > scriptures > > > > like Vedas, Gita and Brahma Sutras. This is the > > > > creation of a middle age scholar, who has > > introduced > > > > the spiritual subject in symbolic language." is > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > i can cite MANY hindu holy scriptures which > > mentions > > > > the kundalini energy, the nadis and the chakras > > in > > > > the body. here i am not proving that what this > > > > article writes is wrong. one shall not belittle > > our > > > > holy scriptures which contain literally > > EVERYTHING > > > > in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > in priase of lord shiva > > > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > KASTURI SUBBA RAO <kasturisrao@g...> wrote: > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > Gayathry <agayathry> > > > > Sep 10, 2005 3:59 PM > > > > The real meaning of Yoga > > > > > > > > FROM SRI DATTA JNANA PRACHARA PARISHAD > > > > > > > > It is a pitiable situation of the spiritual > > > > knowledge because people there > > > > is no reference of these Chakras in the sacred > > > > scriptures like > > > > Vedas, Gita and Brahma Sutras. This is the > > creation > > > > of a middle age > > > > scholar, who has introduced the spiritual > > subject in > > > > symbolic > > > > language. > > > > > > > > are giving lot of importance to the word Yoga > > while > > > > not > > > > understanding its real meaning. People speak > > about > > > > the six wheels > > > > (Chakras) and The wheels indicate the whirlpools > > > > that come across the ocean which > > > > have to be crossed by the swimmer who likes to > > cross > > > > this ocean like > > > > ignorance. They are like the attractive lotus > > > > flowers, which capture > > > > and > > > > prison the soul, which is like a bee. If Yoga is > > > > understood as the > > > > concept represented by this symbolic language in > > its > > > > true sense, > > > > then I am very happy to the present version of > > Yoga. > > > > But I feel very > > > > bad if > > > > you really think that there are real wheels or > > lotus > > > > flowers on the > > > > spine. You are not finding such things even > > through > > > > very powerful > > > > microscope after doing the surgery of spine. > > Thus > > > > you must always > > > > have the torch > > > > > > > > Light of logic and science which must be used > > > > wherever and whenever > > > > necessary. But you should also know the place > > where > > > > this torchlight > > > > should not be used. In analysing yourself and in > > > > analysing the true > > > > path, you should always use the torch. But when > > you > > > > have > > > > recognised the goal, and reached it, you should > > put > > > > off this torchlight because you require blind > > faith > > > > there. Blindness means darkness. The quality > > Tamas > > > > represents Siva, > > > > the final form of God and the final blind faith > > is > > > > Tamas only. While > > > > reaching the goal, you require the knowledge and > > > > analysis. Knowledge > > > > is Sattvam, which is the middle divine form or > > > > Vishnu. The starting > > > > person is a person, who is highly effected by > > egoism > > > > indicated by > > > > Rajas representing the first divine form Brahma. > > > > Thus the soul, the > > > > path and the goal represent the nature of Dattta > > > > only. > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Dear KS Rao, Thanks for your message and very glag to know that you are a Reiki Master. I just started recently, I had a very strong urge to learn and found a nice guru, I am learning remotely though. I feel very good about it and seeing some results. I will definitely look at the posting on the chakras as you mentioned. I certainly need your blessings and wishes in my endeavour to become a Reiki Master. Om namah shivaya, Best Regards, Divakar. --- KASTURI SUBBA RAO <kasturisrao wrote: > Sh. Divakar, > > Thanks for the mail. It is glad to note that you are > a Reiki > Practitioner. With Grace of Lord Shiva I have > acquired Reiki > mastership while I was in Delhi in 1997. As you are > already > aware, practicing Reiki Symbols is daily chores and > is very essential. I am not supposed to scribble > this in > Om Namah Shivaya group but for the feeling from > Reiki family > member,I could not resist. > > As regards to Chakras an article was covered in this > group > vide message Serial no 27. You may like to refer. > > Than you once again, > > Warm regards, > KS Rao , > Divakara Tanjore > <div_tan> wrote: > > Dear KS Rao ji, > > > > Thank you for your clarification and I understand > your > > opinion on the scriptures, Over the generations > > scriptutes have changed according to the > situations > > and cultures, but the intent is mostly the same, > what > > I feel is we have to look at them in a broader > sense > > and try to assimilate the good, some times I felt > some > > stories as silly and some serious contradictions > in > > what I have read, but over the period the good in > > these scriptures have over powered these > > contradictions. > > > > As per Swamiji's observations, I am humbly just > > disagreeing with him, no disrespect here, may be I > am > > wrong but from what I have read and what I > practice as > > a Reiki 1 practitioner, I feel the presense of > chakras > > and their connection with the universal energy or > life > > force. > > > > Chakras are form less and shapeless since they are > > energy, some auhthors might have added those > > imaginations like lotus etc but chakras exist. > > > > Medical siciene explains human body, but how will > you > > explain the life, the thought process, etc. this > life > > engerty flows in the body through chakrs. > > > > For example please observe artists like vocal > singers, > > musicians etc, they have a very attractive aura in > > them, they have radient energy which is quite > evident, > > it is because by sadhana they activate their 3rd > > chakra ( I dont know the sanskrit name of it), > which > > generates a lot of energy. > > > > Music has healing properties, but how is that > > possibnle, this happens because the music energy > or > > vibrations work on our body energy and synchronize > our > > enrgy with devine or universal energy. > > > > these are my sincere opinions, no offence to to > > anyone, disagreement on issues is not disrespect, > I am > > very open about these issues and I am still a > humble > > learner. > > > > Best Regards, > > Om namah shivaya, > > divakar. > > > > > > --- KS Rao <kasturisrao@g...> wrote: > > > > > Sh. Divakara, Sh. Arjun Pandit, > > > > > > With all due reverence and regards to the > thoughts > > > expressed by you, I would > > > like to clarify the matter as appended under. > > > > > > Ramayana, the pious epic was originally written > by > > > Maharshi Valmiki later > > > it was translated or rewritten by various > scholars. > > > While it was reproduced > > > the same version was not presented. Either some > > > portion or thought is added > > > or some of the incidents deleted. Just for > example, > > > in original Valmiki's > > > Ramayana Rama and Lakshman were taken by "Rishi > > > Viswa Mitra" to the court > > > where "Swayamvar" was taking place. In Tulsi > > > Ramayana Lord Rama was seen by > > > Sitama and vice versa while walking along side > > > "Anthapur" or "Ranivas". One > > > cannot say it wrong or right. The writers while > > > producing an epic or Kavya > > > their thought or "Anubhuti" is punched in. > > > > > > The story of Doorvas Maharshi's Curse on > > > "shakuntala" was not seen in > > > original version where as it was added by "Maha > Kavi > > > Kalidas" in the name of > > > "Abhigyan" (An identity or a reminder). These > two > > > examples corroborate the > > > addition of thoughts by later writers. > > > > > > Further when an incident or a version is read > by > > > one for the first time > > > will have lasting impression and cannot accept > the > > > other versions. This is > > > very common observation by one and all. > > > > > > I would like to clarify that the Subject mail > was a > > > forward mail, which is > > > an excerpt from the speeches of "Datta Swami", > an > > > accepted and well renowned > > > saint, sent by Gayathry jee. This was accepted > for > > > the benefit of the > > > readers. > > > > > > So I request to honour by reserving any > Comments, > > > to show a mark of respect > > > to "Swami" > > > Regards, > > > KS Rao > > > On 9/13/05, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Kasturi Subba Rao, > > > > > > > > I absolutely agree with Ajrunji, I have not > read > > > vedas > > > > and other hindu scriptures but I have read a > lot > > > about > > > > chakras, and all the books I have read about > > > chakras > > > > show their roots in ancient hinduism, buddhism > and > > > > Vedas, and also the concept of chakras is not > > > fault, > > > > they are the energy centers that connect our > soul > > > and > > > > body to the universal energy, I practice Reiki > 1 > > > and > > > > feel the chakra points, we can heal both > emotional > > > and > > > > physical aspects of people by working in > chakras, > > > if > > > > the energy in the chakra is not in > syncronization > > > with > > > > the universal energy people become disease > prone > > > or > === message truncated === Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 There is on beautiful book on 'Chakras'. The name of the book is 'Chakras' and is in English. The book is published by Vakils & Co. and costs Rs. 500/-. I do not have the details at hand, however, I will let you know very soon. With regards, Chandrashekhar PhadkeKASTURI SUBBA RAO <kasturisrao > wrote: Sh. Divakar,Thanks for the mail. It is glad to note that you are a Reiki Practitioner. With Grace of Lord Shiva I have acquired Reiki mastership while I was in Delhi in 1997. As you are already aware, practicing Reiki Symbols is daily chores and is very essential. I am not supposed to scribble this in Om Namah Shivaya group but for the feeling from Reiki family member,I could not resist.As regards to Chakras an article was covered in this group vide message Serial no 27. You may like to refer.Than you once again,Warm regards,KS Rao--- In , Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> wrote:> Dear KS Rao ji,> > Thank you for your clarification and I understand your> opinion on the scriptures, Over the generations> scriptutes have changed according to the situations> and cultures, but the intent is mostly the same, what> I feel is we have to look at them in a broader sense> and try to assimilate the good, some times I felt some> stories as silly and some serious contradictions in> what I have read, but over the period the good in> these scriptures have over powered these> contradictions.> > As per Swamiji's observations, I am humbly just> disagreeing with him, no disrespect here, may be I am> wrong but from what I have read and what I practice as> a Reiki 1 practitioner, I feel the presense of chakras> and their connection with the universal energy or life> force.> > Chakras are form less and shapeless since they are> energy, some auhthors might have added those> imaginations like lotus etc but chakras exist.> > Medical siciene explains human body, but how will you> explain the life, the thought process, etc. this life> engerty flows in the body through chakrs.> > For example please observe artists like vocal singers,> musicians etc, they have a very attractive aura in> them, they have radient energy which is quite evident,> it is because by sadhana they activate their 3rd> chakra ( I dont know the sanskrit name of it), which> generates a lot of energy.> > Music has healing properties, but how is that> possibnle, this happens because the music energy or> vibrations work on our body energy and synchronize our> enrgy with devine or universal energy.> > these are my sincere opinions, no offence to to> anyone, disagreement on issues is not disrespect, I am> very open about these issues and I am still a humble> learner.> > Best Regards,> Om namah shivaya,> divakar.> > > --- KS Rao <kasturisrao@g...> wrote:> > > Sh. Divakara, Sh. Arjun Pandit,> > > > With all due reverence and regards to the thoughts> > expressed by you, I would > > like to clarify the matter as appended under.> > > > Ramayana, the pious epic was originally written by> > Maharshi Valmiki later > > it was translated or rewritten by various scholars.> > While it was reproduced > > the same version was not presented. Either some> > portion or thought is added > > or some of the incidents deleted. Just for example,> > in original Valmiki's > > Ramayana Rama and Lakshman were taken by "Rishi> > Viswa Mitra" to the court > > where "Swayamvar" was taking place. In Tulsi> > Ramayana Lord Rama was seen by > > Sitama and vice versa while walking along side> > "Anthapur" or "Ranivas". One > > cannot say it wrong or right. The writers while> > producing an epic or Kavya > > their thought or "Anubhuti" is punched in.> > > > The story of Doorvas Maharshi's Curse on> > "shakuntala" was not seen in > > original version where as it was added by "Maha Kavi> > Kalidas" in the name of > > "Abhigyan" (An identity or a reminder). These two> > examples corroborate the > > addition of thoughts by later writers. > > > > Further when an incident or a version is read by> > one for the first time > > will have lasting impression and cannot accept the> > other versions. This is > > very common observation by one and all. > > > > I would like to clarify that the Subject mail was a> > forward mail, which is > > an excerpt from the speeches of "Datta Swami", an> > accepted and well renowned > > saint, sent by Gayathry jee. This was accepted for> > the benefit of the > > readers.> > > > So I request to honour by reserving any Comments,> > to show a mark of respect > > to "Swami"> > Regards,> > KS Rao > > On 9/13/05, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan>> > wrote:> > > > > Dear Kasturi Subba Rao,> > > > > > I absolutely agree with Ajrunji, I have not read> > vedas> > > and other hindu scriptures but I have read a lot> > about> > > chakras, and all the books I have read about> > chakras> > > show their roots in ancient hinduism, buddhism and> > > Vedas, and also the concept of chakras is not> > fault,> > > they are the energy centers that connect our soul> > and> > > body to the universal energy, I practice Reiki 1> > and> > > feel the chakra points, we can heal both emotional> > and> > > physical aspects of people by working in chakras,> > if> > > the energy in the chakra is not in syncronization> > with> > > the universal energy people become disease prone> > or> > > sick and they can be cured by synchronizing their> > > chakras.> > > > > > Om namah shivaya,> > > Best Regards,> > > Divakar. > > > > > > --- arjun pandit <panditarjun2004>> > wrote:> > > > > > > dear friends> > > > > > > > om namo bhagawate rudraya> > > > > > > > the observation in this article "there is no> > > > reference of these Chakras in the sacred> > scriptures> > > > like Vedas, Gita and Brahma Sutras. This is the> > > > creation of a middle age scholar, who has> > introduced> > > > the spiritual subject in symbolic language." is> > > > incorrect.> > > > > > > > i can cite MANY hindu holy scriptures which> > mentions> > > > the kundalini energy, the nadis and the chakras> > in> > > > the body. here i am not proving that what this> > > > article writes is wrong. one shall not belittle> > our> > > > holy scriptures which contain literally> > EVERYTHING> > > > in the world.> > > > > > > > > > > > in priase of lord shiva> > > > > > > > arjun> > > > > > > > KASTURI SUBBA RAO <kasturisrao@g...> wrote:> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------> > > > Gayathry <agayathry>> > > > Sep 10, 2005 3:59 PM > > > > The real meaning of Yoga> > > > > > > > FROM SRI DATTA JNANA PRACHARA PARISHAD> > > > > > > > It is a pitiable situation of the spiritual> > > > knowledge because people there> > > > is no reference of these Chakras in the sacred> > > > scriptures like > > > > Vedas, Gita and Brahma Sutras. This is the> > creation> > > > of a middle age > > > > scholar, who has introduced the spiritual> > subject in> > > > symbolic > > > > language.> > > > > > > > are giving lot of importance to the word Yoga> > while> > > > not > > > > understanding its real meaning. People speak> > about> > > > the six wheels > > > > (Chakras) and The wheels indicate the whirlpools> > > > that come across the ocean which > > > > have to be crossed by the swimmer who likes to> > cross> > > > this ocean like > > > > ignorance. They are like the attractive lotus> > > > flowers, which capture > > > > and> > > > prison the soul, which is like a bee. If Yoga is> > > > understood as the > > > > concept represented by this symbolic language in> > its> > > > true sense, > > > > then I am very happy to the present version of> > Yoga.> > > > But I feel very > > > > bad if> > > > you really think that there are real wheels or> > lotus> > > > flowers on the > > > > spine. You are not finding such things even> > through> > > > very powerful > > > > microscope after doing the surgery of spine.> > Thus> > > > you must always > > > > have the torch > > > > > > > > Light of logic and science which must be used> > > > wherever and whenever > > > > necessary. But you should also know the place> > where> > > > this torchlight > > > > should not be used. In analysing yourself and in> > > > analysing the true > > > > path, you should always use the torch. But when> > you> > > > have> > > > recognised the goal, and reached it, you should> > put> > > > off this torchlight because you require blind> > faith> > > > there. Blindness means darkness. The quality> > Tamas> > > > represents Siva, > > > > the final form of God and the final blind faith> > is> > > > Tamas only. While > > > > reaching the goal, you require the knowledge and> > > > analysis. Knowledge > > > > is Sattvam, which is the middle divine form or> > > > Vishnu. The starting > > > > person is a person, who is highly effected by> > egoism> > > > indicated by > > > > Rajas representing the first divine form Brahma.> > > > Thus the soul, the > > > > path and the goal represent the nature of Dattta> > > > only. > > > === message truncated ===> > > > Do You ?> > for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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