Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I am the master of my own reality..or i think/believe/feel etc.. that all is the will of GOD ...i am the creator of my destiny..etc.. who is I in above statements and what reality am I seeking ( again who am i who puts this question ? ) ? i am getting a feeling that all desires- be it spiritual or worldly arises out of mind and mind has no entity..for when i meditate on Aham i reach a no mind state.. but being in no-mind state and paying attention to "I am" i am led to a blank state where there is no feeling of body and mind..but then that is yog nidra..i feel only a blankness..vast darkness..a floating state..for sometime i felt that it was my real self.. Accepting Yog Nidra as my real self is not again an illusion of the mind as the mind is in the hypnotic state.. is not the re-incarnation again a mind game..? Is not any experience i gain in this world arises out of mind..and who thinks that there is a soul..or feels that there is a soul..and it will carry the wisdom of this life..which life.. ? to whom this realization occurs ?? even a no mind state..who realizes this..?? who am i ?? Who seeks liberation ? and from whom ? Who says and writes - Aum Namah Shivaya..?? Mind chants, fingers write..is it my real self ?? then again who puts this question ?? you might answer and quote various verses and sacred texts..saying that this is Gorak ki Maya which needs to be removed...thru jaap, tap..etc.. before answering..kindly ask yourself who answers to whom ?? first you have to know yourself, then a relative anil bindal arises.. To whosoever it is .. Saab Gorakh Ki Maya Ji.. i have created a on duality / non-duality..if anyone interested may pl. join..at dualityornonduality/ Naham (as i am not sure of Soham) Aum Namah Shivaya.. anil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 I agree, knowledge of real nature or self realization comes from understanding the true self within and without. for this the unreal self or ego should be controlled or removed. Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > You require neither to let go or reduce the Ego. One > has to expose the Ego to Kowledge of its Real > Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never changes. > And that is what the Upanishads do by unfolding this > knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each soul > as all are just manifestations of that Ultimate > Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of "I" is > Sat Chit Ananda. > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > each soul in human form has two states or > existance, > divine and ego, when we see the world through divine > (love) we see truth and reality, when we see the > world > through ego we see maya, we have to open up our > self, > look into our inner self to find the divine or god, > and look at the world, we will see truth, reality > and > love. > > It takes a lot of practice and honesty to let go or > reduce ego. > > Om namah shivaya, > Divakar. > > --- anil bindal <bindal wrote: > > > A desire is a desire be it spiritual or the > > material. > > > > Until we are able to do vichaara on who desires ? > > how can i ( self-ego > > again) in Maya get a glimpse of Real Self ? > > > > Who seeks ? and what is to be sought ? is all this > > not a mind game ? > > > > Is knowledge itself not a game of mind..? and the > > experience of sharing > > the knowledge in the email lists.. > > > > Even Saab Gorakh ki Maya hai or everything is will > > of GOD..who says so ? > > > > answer will be I.. > > > > then who am i ? > > > > going thru a very pathetic state as ego does not > > want to kill itself. > > > > > > -- > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Anil Bindal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the > web. > > To from this group, send an email > to: > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > Personals > Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. > Lots of someones, actually. Personals ________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Ego to Kowledge of its Real> Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never changes.> And that is what the Upanishads do by unfolding this> knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each soul> as all are just manifestations of that Ultimate> Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of "I" is> Sat Chit Ananda.> > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> each soul in human form has two states or> existance,> divine and ego, when we see the world through divine> (love) we see truth and reality, when we see the> world> through ego we see maya, we have to open up our> self,> look into our inner self to find the divine or god,> and look at the world, we will see truth, reality> and> love.> > It takes a lot of practice and honesty to let go or> reduce ego.> > Om namah shivaya,> Divakar.> > --- anil bindal <bindal (AT) dcmtech (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > A desire is a desire be it spiritual or the> > material.> > > > Until we are able to do vichaara on who desires ?> > how can i ( self-ego> > again) in Maya get a glimpse of Real Self ? > > > > Who seeks ? and what is to be sought ? is all this> > not a mind game ?> > > > Is knowledge itself not a game of mind..? and the> > experience of sharing> > the knowledge in the email lists..> > > > Even Saab Gorakh ki Maya hai or everything is will> > of GOD..who says so ?> > > > answer will be I..> > > > then who am i ?> > > > going thru a very pathetic state as ego does not> > want to kill itself.> > > > > > -- > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Anil Bindal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page!> > http://www./r/hs> > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the> web.> > To from this group, send an email> to:> > > Your use of Groups is subject to the> > > > > > > > > > > > Personals> Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.> Lots of someones, actually. Personals ________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. R. S. Mani Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Personals for free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 reading book on Maharishi Ramana in which he advocates a method - Self Enquiry.. who am i ..and cling to it..anyway..this method gave me much headache..it seems to be a very hard way..in one goes to root of any thought..until mind itself dies..same can be achieved thru devotion..regardsanil, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99> wrote:>> Hari OM!> > Dear Anil Gorakh ki maya ji.> > When you get sure answer about "Who am I" I will join your .> > any way what is the difference between You and Me there is a common factor in everybody that is "I" so. whichever group you are what difference it makes.> > If you are not sure about Soham then Naham also you are not sure.> > The Big I is the eye to give power to the mind, so it is beyond your mind. as if we are not able to see our own eyes and face and body of course without a mirror, it is our own self. The power which makes me write this to you, and which you are reading this and comprehending this through your senses that power is the big I the Brahman. itis not blank. it is the all powerful, of course TRUTH is so simple to be ignored always, you are almost going towards Buddhism if you are not careful.> > With Love & OM!> > Krishna Prasad> > anil <bindal@d...> wrote:> I am the master of my own reality..or i think/believe/feel etc.. that all is the will of GOD> ..i am the creator of my destiny..etc..> > who is I in above statements and what reality am I seeking ( again who am i who> puts> this question ? ) ?> > i am getting a feeling that all desires- be it spiritual or worldly arises out> of mind and> mind has no entity..for when i meditate on Aham i reach a no mind state..> > but being in no-mind state and paying attention to "I am" i am led to a blank> state> where there is no feeling of body and mind..but then that is yog nidra..i feel> only a> blankness..vast darkness..a floating state..for sometime i felt that it was my real self..> > Accepting Yog Nidra as my real self is not again an illusion of the mind as the mind> is in> the hypnotic state..> > is not the re-incarnation again a mind game..? Is not any experience i gain in> this> world arises out of mind..and who thinks that there is a soul..or feels that there is a > soul..and it will carry the wisdom of this life..which life.. ? to whom this realization > occurs ??> > even a no mind state..who realizes this..?? who am i ??> > Who seeks liberation ? and from whom ?> > Who says and writes - Aum Namah Shivaya..??> > Mind chants, fingers write..is it my real self ?? then again who puts this question ??> > you might answer and quote various verses and sacred texts..saying that this is Gorak > ki Maya which needs to be removed...thru jaap, tap..etc..> > before answering..kindly ask yourself who answers to whom ?? first you have to > know yourself, then a relative anil bindal arises..> > To whosoever it is .. Saab Gorakh Ki Maya Ji..> > i have created a on duality / non-duality..if anyone interested may pl. > join..at > > dualityornonduality/> > Naham (as i am not sure of Soham)> > Aum Namah Shivaya..> > anil> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.> > To from this group, send an email to:> > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > Krishna Prasad > > "Since past and future have never been without the present, to know the eternal Now is to know the Truth"> > > > Personals> Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Personals for free> Krishna Prasad "Since past and future have never been without the present, to know the eternal Now is to know the Truth" DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 We dont need a guru for this, all we have to do is look for good in others and our selves, it requires honesty, paractice and love. --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > What is required is only to drop the notions we have > about the Ego, Self, non-self, etc. > This dropping takes place simultaneously with the > knowledge of Self i.e. the Real Nature of Self takes > place. In short, we are ignorant about our Real > Nature and only Knowledge of Self can remove this > ignorance. For this we have to study under a Teacher > who follows the Traditional Teaching Methodology. > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > I agree, knowledge of real nature or self > realization > comes from understanding the true self within and > without. for this the unreal self or ego should be > controlled or removed. > > Om namah shivaya, > Divakar. > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > > > You require neither to let go or reduce the Ego. > One > > has to expose the Ego to Kowledge of its Real > > Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never changes. > > And that is what the Upanishads do by unfolding > this > > knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each soul > > as all are just manifestations of that Ultimate > > Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of "I" > is > > Sat Chit Ananda. > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > each soul in human form has two states or > > existance, > > divine and ego, when we see the world through > divine > > (love) we see truth and reality, when we see the > > world > > through ego we see maya, we have to open up our > > self, > > look into our inner self to find the divine or > god, > > and look at the world, we will see truth, reality > > and > > love. > > > > It takes a lot of practice and honesty to let go > or > > reduce ego. > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > Divakar. > > > > --- anil bindal <bindal wrote: > > > > > A desire is a desire be it spiritual or the > > > material. > > > > > > Until we are able to do vichaara on who desires > ? > > > how can i ( self-ego > > > again) in Maya get a glimpse of Real Self ? > > > > > > Who seeks ? and what is to be sought ? is all > this > > > not a mind game ? > > > > > > Is knowledge itself not a game of mind..? and > the > > > experience of sharing > > > the knowledge in the email lists.. > > > > > > Even Saab Gorakh ki Maya hai or everything is > will > > > of GOD..who says so ? > > > > > > answer will be I.. > > > > > > then who am i ? > > > > > > going thru a very pathetic state as ego does > not > > > want to kill itself. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Anil Bindal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home > page! > > > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on > the > > web. > > > > To from this group, send an email > > to: > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personals > > Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. > > Lots of someones, actually. Personals > > > > > ________ > DSL – Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl. > Lord shiva > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the > web. > > To from this group, send an email > to: > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > R. S. Mani > > > > Personals > Skip the bars and set-ups and start using > Personals for free ________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 agree, knowledge of real nature or self> realization> comes from understanding the true self within and> without. for this the unreal self or ego should be> controlled or removed.> > Om namah shivaya,> Divakar.> > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote:> > > You require neither to let go or reduce the Ego.> One> > has to expose the Ego to Kowledge of its Real> > Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never changes.> > And that is what the Upanishads do by unfolding> this> > knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each soul> > as all are just manifestations of that Ultimate> > Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of "I"> is> > Sat Chit Ananda.> > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > each soul in human form has two states or> > existance,> > divine and ego, when we see the world through> divine> > (love) we see truth and reality, when we see the> > world> > through ego we see maya, we have to open up our> > self,> > look into our inner self to find the divine or> god,> > and look at the world, we will see truth, reality> > and> > love.> > > > It takes a lot of practice and honesty to let go> or> > reduce ego.> > > > Om namah shivaya,> > Divakar.> > > > --- anil bindal <bindal (AT) dcmtech (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > A desire is a desire be it spiritual or the> > > material.> > > > > > Until we are able to do vichaara on who desires> ?> > > how can i ( self-ego> > > again) in Maya get a glimpse of Real Self ? > > > > > > Who seeks ? and what is to be sought ? is all> this> > > not a mind game ?> > > > > > Is knowledge itself not a game of mind..? and> the> > > experience of sharing> > > the knowledge in the email lists..> > > > > > Even Saab Gorakh ki Maya hai or everything is> will> > > of GOD..who says so ?> > > > > > answer will be I..> > > > > > then who am i ?> > > > > > going thru a very pathetic state as ego does> not> > > want to kill itself.> > > > > > > > > -- > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Anil Bindal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home> page!> > > > http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on> the> > web.> > > > To from this group, send an email> > to:> > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the> > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personals> > Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.> > Lots of someones, actually. Personals> > > > > ________ > DSL – Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl. > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Lord shiva > > > ! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "" on the> web.> > To from this group, send an email> to:> > > Your use of is subject to the> > > > > > > > > > > R. S. Mani> > > > Personals> Skip the bars and set-ups and start using > Personals for free ________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Krishna Prasad "Since past and future have never been without the present, to know the eternal Now is to know the Truth" Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Personals for free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Dear Krishna ji, God and divinity is very simple and everyone can see it, it is nothing but love and care. Yes it will be good if we can find a right guru who will guide us in the right path, and in search of a guru we will waste time and only thing we get is disappointment. We can continue our spiritual quest for truth all by our selves, if our quest is sincere, divne world will guide us, God, Angels and the whole world of divinity is watching us, they want to Guide us, help us, What I am saying is we dont have to stop or get disheartened because we did not find a guru, God will lead us to a guru, we still have to continue our quest. With Guru or without guru, the quest for truth or God starts with good, goodness and love, whatever we do without bhakti and love cannot take us close to god. Please think it over, God is simple, spiritualty is simple, it all starts with Good and love, if we open up to good and love, things will happen, because we are seeing this world through Gods view. Best Regards, Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote: > Hari OM! > > Dear Divakaraji, > > Of course if we are like Ramana Maharishi then we > do not require a Guru, Even Lord Krishna had a > Guru, Sandeepany Maharishi. > > Then, if we are without a Guru, there are lot of > self hallucination and we think that might is right, > and our Sadhana may not be at the right path and > way. > > Just simply looking for Good in others and in our > selves, nothing going to happen > Divakarji, as some one said we do not need temples > but we need hospitals and schools and social > service, but the most important thing is temple if > people really know the value of temples and start > visiting and following then we may not require > hospitals. > > We need a Satguru to know our own Self. Utlimately > until we realize that the Self is the real Guru > > with Love & OM! > > Krishna Prasad > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > We dont need a guru for this, all we have to do is > look for good in others and our selves, it requires > honesty, paractice and love. > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > > > What is required is only to drop the notions we > have > > about the Ego, Self, non-self, etc. > > This dropping takes place simultaneously with > the > > knowledge of Self i.e. the Real Nature of Self > takes > > place. In short, we are ignorant about our Real > > Nature and only Knowledge of Self can remove this > > ignorance. For this we have to study under a > Teacher > > who follows the Traditional Teaching Methodology. > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > I agree, knowledge of real nature or self > > realization > > comes from understanding the true self within and > > without. for this the unreal self or ego should be > > controlled or removed. > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > Divakar. > > > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > > > > > You require neither to let go or reduce the Ego. > > One > > > has to expose the Ego to Kowledge of its Real > > > Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never > changes. > > > And that is what the Upanishads do by unfolding > > this > > > knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each > soul > > > as all are just manifestations of that Ultimate > > > Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of > "I" > > is > > > Sat Chit Ananda. > > > > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > > each soul in human form has two states or > > > existance, > > > divine and ego, when we see the world through > > divine > > > (love) we see truth and reality, when we see the > > > world > > > through ego we see maya, we have to open up our > > > self, > > > look into our inner self to find the divine or > > god, > > > and look at the world, we will see truth, > reality > > > and > > > love. > > > > > > It takes a lot of practice and honesty to let go > > or > > > reduce ego. > > > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > > Divakar. > > > > > > --- anil bindal <bindal wrote: > > > > > > > A desire is a desire be it spiritual or the > > > > material. > > > > > > > > Until we are able to do vichaara on who > desires > > ? > > > > how can i ( self-ego > > > > again) in Maya get a glimpse of Real Self ? > > > > > > > > Who seeks ? and what is to be sought ? is all > > this > > > > not a mind game ? > > > > > > > > Is knowledge itself not a game of mind..? and > > the > > > > experience of sharing > > > > the knowledge in the email lists.. > > > > > > > > Even Saab Gorakh ki Maya hai or everything is > > will > > > > of GOD..who says so ? > > > > > > > > answer will be I.. > > > > > > > > then who am i ? > > > > > > > > going thru a very pathetic state as ego does > > not > > > > want to kill itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > Anil Bindal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home > > page! > > > > > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on > > the > > > web. > > > > > > To from this group, send an > email > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personals > > > Single? 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Guest guest Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Dear Krishnaji, > Just simply looking for Good in others and in our > selves, nothing going to happen. I do not agree on this statement of yours, what ever we do if we are not able to see good in ourselves and others then we are not doing anything, Spiritual quest is seeking truth, and what is truth how we will see it, it is by being good, by love. Goodness attracts god, god is love. Everything starts there. Best Regards, Om namah shivaya, Divakar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 seeit, it is by being good, by love.Goodness attracts god, god is love. Everything startsthere.Best Regards,Om namah shivaya,Divakar.Do You ? Krishna Prasad "Since past and future have never been without the present, to know the eternal Now is to know the Truth" Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 young or older, student or not, had to give one dollar for each year the guru being in the West. That was 33 dollars in 1998, a lot of money to give over here in those days. If you were a disciple for more than one year, you had to give an extra lumpsum, but I forgot how much it was. If I remember well, it was 100 dollar. Although the small local group met quite often in my appartment, I left the group. I think they left even my own town. Everyone got wiser at the end.5 I have a complete file on the guru in USA. Sorry about this, I had to pour out my heart. With my best wishes, Philippe De Coster http://www.geocities.com/hagurcomic/GitaBelgium.html Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote: #1010ff 2px solid">Dear Krishna ji,God and divinity is very simple and everyone can seeit, it is nothing but love and care. Yes it will begood if we can find a right guru who will guide us inthe right path, and in search of a guru we will wastetime and only thing we get is disappointment. We cancontinue our spiritual quest for truth all by ourselves, if our quest is sincere, divne world willguide us, God, Angels and the whole world of divinityis watching us, they want to Guide us, help us, What Iam saying is we dont have to stop or get disheartenedbecause we did not find a guru, God will lead us to aguru, we still have to continue our quest.With Guru or without guru, the quest for truth or Godstarts with good, goodness and love, whatever we dowithout bhakti and love cannot take us close to god.Please think it over, God is simple, spiritualty issimple, it all starts with Good and love, if we openup to good and love, things will happen, because weare seeing this world through Gods view.Best Regards,Om namah shivaya,Divakar.--- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > wrote:> Hari OM!> > Dear Divakaraji,> > Of course if we are like Ramana Maharishi then we> do not require a Guru, Even Lord Krishna had a> Guru, Sandeepany Maharishi. > > Then, if we are without a Guru, there are lot of> self hallucination and we think that might is right,> and our Sadhana may not be at the right path and> way.> > Just simply looking for Good in others and in our> selves, nothing going to happen > Divakarji, as some one said we do not need temples> but we need hospitals and schools and social> service, but the most important thing is temple if> people really know the value of temples and start> visiting and following then we may not require> hospitals.> > We need a Satguru to know our own Self. Utlimately> until we realize that the Self is the real Guru> > with Love & OM!> > Krishna Prasad> > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> We dont need a guru for this, all we have to do is> look for good in others and our selves, it requires> honesty, paractice and love.> > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote:> > > What is required is only to drop the notions we> have> > about the Ego, Self, non-self, etc.> > This dropping takes place simultaneously with> the> > knowledge of Self i.e. the Real Nature of Self> takes> > place. In short, we are ignorant about our Real> > Nature and only Knowledge of Self can remove this> > ignorance. For this we have to study under a> Teacher> > who follows the Traditional Teaching Methodology.> > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > I agree, knowledge of real nature or self> > realization> > comes from understanding the true self within and> > without. for this the unreal self or ego should be> > controlled or removed.> > > > Om namah shivaya,> > Divakar.> > > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote:> > > > > You require neither to let go or reduce the Ego.> > One> > > has to expose the Ego to Kowledge of its Real> > > Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never> changes.> > > And that is what the Upanishads do by unfolding> > this> > > knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each> soul> > > as all are just manifestations of that Ultimate> > > Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of> "I"> > is> > > Sat Chit Ananda.> > > > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > > each soul in human form has two states or> > > existance,> > > divine and ego, when we see the world through> > divine> > > (love) we see truth and reality, when we see the> > > world> > > through ego we see maya, we have to open up our> > > self,> > > look into our inner self to find the divine or> > god,> > > and look at the world, we will see truth,> reality> > > and> > > love.> > > > > > It takes a lot of practice and honesty to let go> > or> > > reduce ego.> > > > > > Om namah shivaya,> > > Divakar.> > > > > > --- anil bindal <bindal (AT) dcmtech (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > > A desire is a desire be it spiritual or the> > > > material.> > > > > > > > Until we are able to do vichaara on who> desires> > ?> > > > how can i ( self-ego> > > > again) in Maya get a glimpse of Real Self ? > > > > > > > > Who seeks ? and what is to be sought ? is all> > this> > > > not a mind game ?> > > > > > > > Is knowledge itself not a game of mind..? and> > the> > > > experience of sharing> > > > the knowledge in the email lists..> > > > > > > > Even Saab Gorakh ki Maya hai or everything is> > will> > > > of GOD..who says so ?> > > > > > > > answer will be I..> > > > > > > > then who am i ?> > > > > > > > going thru a very pathetic state as ego does> > not> > > > want to kill itself.> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > > Anil Bindal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home> > page!> > > > > > http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on> > the> > > web.> > > > > > To from this group, send an> email> > > to:> > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the> > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personals> > > Single? 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Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 give one dollar for each year the guru being in the West. That was 33 dollars in 1998, a lot of money to give over here in those days. If you were a disciple for more than one year, you had to give an extra lumpsum, but I forgot how much it was. If I remember well, it was 100 dollar. Although the small local group met quite often in my appartment, I left the group. I think they left even my own town. Everyone got wiser at the end.5 I have a complete file on the guru in USA. Sorry about this, I had to pour out my heart. With my best wishes, Philippe De Coster http://www.geocities.com/hagurcomic/GitaBelgium.html Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote: Dear Krishna ji,God and divinity is very simple and everyone can seeit, it is nothing but love and care. Yes it will begood if we can find a right guru who will guide us inthe right path, and in search of a guru we will wastetime and only thing we get is disappointment. We cancontinue our spiritual quest for truth all by ourselves, if our quest is sincere, divne world willguide us, God, Angels and the whole world of divinityis watching us, they want to Guide us, help us, What Iam saying is we dont have to stop or get disheartenedbecause we did not find a guru, God will lead us to aguru, we still have to continue our quest.With Guru or without guru, the quest for truth or Godstarts with good, goodness and love, whatever we dowithout bhakti and love cannot take us close to god.Please think it over, God is simple, spiritualty issimple, it all starts with Good and love, if we openup to good and love, things will happen, because weare seeing this world through Gods view.Best Regards,Om namah shivaya,Divakar.--- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > wrote:> Hari OM!> > Dear Divakaraji,> > Of course if we are like Ramana Maharishi then we> do not require a Guru, Even Lord Krishna had a> Guru, Sandeepany Maharishi. > > Then, if we are without a Guru, there are lot of> self hallucination and we think that might is right,> and our Sadhana may not be at the right path and> way.> > Just simply looking for Good in others and in our> selves, nothing going to happen > Divakarji, as some one said we do not need temples> but we need hospitals and schools and social> service, but the most important thing is temple if> people really know the value of temples and start> visiting and following then we may not require> hospitals.> > We need a Satguru to know our own Self. Utlimately> until we realize that the Self is the real Guru> > with Love & OM!> > Krishna Prasad> > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> We dont need a guru for this, all we have to do is> look for good in others and our selves, it requires> honesty, paractice and love.> > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote:> > > What is required is only to drop the notions we> have> > about the Ego, Self, non-self, etc.> > This dropping takes place simultaneously with> the> > knowledge of Self i.e. the Real Nature of Self> takes> > place. In short, we are ignorant about our Real> > Nature and only Knowledge of Self can remove this> > ignorance. For this we have to study under a> Teacher> > who follows the Traditional Teaching Methodology.> > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > I agree, knowledge of real nature or self> > realization> > comes from understanding the true self within and> > without. for this the unreal self or ego should be> > controlled or removed.> > > > Om namah shivaya,> > Divakar.> > > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote:> > > > > You require neither to let go or reduce the Ego.> > One> > > has to expose the Ego to Kowledge of its Real> > > Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never> changes.> > > And that is what the Upanishads do by unfolding> > this> > > knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each> soul> > > as all are just manifestations of that Ultimate> > > Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of> "I"> > is> > > Sat Chit Ananda.> > > > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > > each soul in human form has two states or> > > existance,> > > divine and ego, when we see the world through> > divine> > > (love) we see truth and reality, when we see the> > > world> > > through ego we see maya, we have to open up our> > > self,> > > look into our inner self to find the divine or> > god,> > > and look at the world, we will see truth,> reality> > > and> > > love.> > > > > > It takes a lot of practice and honesty to let go> > or> > > reduce ego.> > > > > > Om namah shivaya,> > > Divakar.> > > > > > --- anil bindal <bindal (AT) dcmtech (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > > A desire is a desire be it spiritual or the> > > > material.> > > > > > > > Until we are able to do vichaara on who> desires> > ?> > > > how can i ( self-ego> > > > again) in Maya get a glimpse of Real Self ? > > > > > > > > Who seeks ? and what is to be sought ? is all> > this> > > > not a mind game ?> > > > > > > > Is knowledge itself not a game of mind..? and> > the> > > > experience of sharing> > > > the knowledge in the email lists..> > > > > > > > Even Saab Gorakh ki Maya hai or everything is> > will> > > > of GOD..who says so ?> > > > > > > > answer will be I..> > > > > > > > then who am i ?> > > > > > > > going thru a very pathetic state as ego does> > not> > > > want to kill itself.> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > > Anil Bindal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home> > page!> > > > > > http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on> > the> > > web.> > > > > > To from this group, send an> email> > > to:> > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personals> > > Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.> > > Lots of someones, actually. Personals> > > > > > > > > > ________ > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > dsl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Krishna Prasad "Since past and future have never been without the present, to know the eternal Now is to know the Truth" Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Dear Krishnaji, I fully understand and agree with you but the problem is finding a right guru who is accessible to us. maybe I didnt frame my response correctly, All I am saying is in my humble opinion that we will find many gurus and teachers along the way, we just have to recognize them. I just want to share with you and others of this group about my humble experience, it may or may not be helpful to others but my heart wants to share and express gratitude. A while ago, in my spiritual quest I was confused and was having many unanswered questions, I got directed to this group by diving guidance of lord shiva, I have learned a lot from the postings and the responses to my questions of the respected members of this group, I consider most of them as my gurus, these people have cleared my doubts and guided me when I was confused and upset. I had some questions about lord shiva, meditation, Gayatri mantra and mantra chanting etc ( some very silly) and respected members like KSRao ji, Saidevo, ArjunPunditji, George Pillai ji, Prasannaji, etc have clarified and guided me, Now I have found certain peace and direction in my quest for truth, I have developed a confidence that I am in the right track. honestly I am seeing things, my life has changed, I am able to meditate. I will always be greatful and thankful to this group and its members for sharing wonderful information, answering my questions and clearing my thoughts and guiding me. Not only this group there are a number of resources we just have to look, like the bible says, "ask, and you will get it", we just have to ask or seek. God may even give us a great guru who knows Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote: > Hari OM! > > Dear Philippe, Divakarji, > > I agree, with you both, even I had the same > expereince with a Guru, but all are money making, > thing, he was looking after his parents and other > family members sending money, and he want to get his > brother's children to study here in USA! > > I am not talking about that kind of fake Gurus, I > am talking about the genuine ones, which want to > help the devotees to grow spiritually, Like Ramana > Maharishi, Rama Krishna Paramahansa, Swami > Vivekananda, Swami Sivananda, Swami Chinmayanada, > Swami Tejomayanada, Swami Dayananda Saraswathi, etc > etc. > > With Love & OM! > > Krishna Prasad > > Philippe De Coster <hagurcomic wrote: > Namaste, > > I do appreciate Divakara's statement as > undermentioned. In the West, even more in Northern > Europe, it is difficult even impossible to find a > good Guru. But, it is as you said, "with or without > guru, what really matters is Bhakti and love to come > closer to God, and closer one comes, through > selfless service or devotional service, meditation, > knowledge in the Scriptures. > > Many a guru are big money-making in the West (I > only know about here in Europe). They preach > selflessness, but they don't, and act through their > collaborators to gather packs of money from their > disciples. Many years ago I landed in a meditation > group, and I thought it was wonderful, meditating > together, and learning Sanskrit songs, etc. After a > while, one after the other, pleading for money came. > That which made me to leave the group was: The 33rd > anniversary of the guru serving in the West was to > be celebrated. As gift, every disciple young or > older, student or not, had to give one dollar for > each year the guru being in the West. That was 33 > dollars in 1998, a lot of money to give over here in > those days. If you were a disciple for more than one > year, you had to give an extra lumpsum, but I forgot > how much it was. If I remember well, it was 100 > dollar. Although the small local group met quite > often in my appartment, I left the group. I think > they left even my own town. Everyone > got wiser at the end.5 I have a complete file on > the guru in USA. > > Sorry about this, I had to pour out my heart. > > With my best wishes, > Philippe De Coster > > http://www.geocities.com/hagurcomic/GitaBelgium.html > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > Dear Krishna ji, > > God and divinity is very simple and everyone can see > it, it is nothing but love and care. Yes it will be > good if we can find a right guru who will guide us > in > the right path, and in search of a guru we will > waste > time and only thing we get is disappointment. We can > continue our spiritual quest for truth all by our > selves, if our quest is sincere, divne world will > guide us, God, Angels and the whole world of > divinity > is watching us, they want to Guide us, help us, What > I > am saying is we dont have to stop or get > disheartened > because we did not find a guru, God will lead us to > a > guru, we still have to continue our quest. > > With Guru or without guru, the quest for truth or > God > starts with good, goodness and love, whatever we do > without bhakti and love cannot take us close to god. > > Please think it over, God is simple, spiritualty is > simple, it all starts with Good and love, if we open > up to good and love, things will happen, because we > are seeing this world through Gods view. > > Best Regards, > Om namah shivaya, > Divakar. > > > --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote: > > > Hari OM! > > > > Dear Divakaraji, > > > > Of course if we are like Ramana Maharishi then > we > > do not require a Guru, Even Lord Krishna had a > > Guru, Sandeepany Maharishi. > > > > Then, if we are without a Guru, there are lot of > > self hallucination and we think that might is > right, > > and our Sadhana may not be at the right path and > > way. > > > > Just simply looking for Good in others and in > our > > selves, nothing going to happen > > Divakarji, as some one said we do not need temples > > but we need hospitals and schools and social > > service, but the most important thing is temple if > > people really know the value of temples and start > > visiting and following then we may not require > > hospitals. > > > > We need a Satguru to know our own Self. > Utlimately > > until we realize that the Self is the real Guru > > > > with Love & OM! > > > > Krishna Prasad > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > We dont need a guru for this, all we have to do > is > > look for good in others and our selves, it > requires > > honesty, paractice and love. > > > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > > > > > What is required is only to drop the notions we > > have > > > about the Ego, Self, non-self, etc. > > > This dropping takes place simultaneously with > > the > > > knowledge of Self i.e. the Real Nature of Self > > takes > > > place. In short, we are ignorant about our Real > > > Nature and only Knowledge of Self can remove > this > > > ignorance. For this we have to study under a > > Teacher > > > who follows the Traditional Teaching > Methodology. > > > > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > > I agree, knowledge of real nature or self > > > realization > > > comes from understanding the true self within > and > > > without. for this the unreal self or ego should > be > > > controlled or removed. > > > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > > Divakar. > > > > > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > > > > > > > You require neither to let go or reduce the > Ego. > > > One > > > > has to expose the Ego to Kowledge of its Real > > > > Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never > > changes. > > > > And that is what the Upanishads do by > unfolding > > > this > > > > knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each > > soul > > > > as all are just manifestations of that > Ultimate > > > > Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of > > "I" > > > is > > > > Sat Chit Ananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > > > each soul in human form has two states or > > > > existance, > > > > divine and ego, when we see the world through > > > divine > > > > (love) we see truth and reality, when we see > the > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 <rkrishp99 > wrote: Hari OM! Dear Philippe, Divakarji, I agree, with you both, even I had the same expereince with a Guru, but all are money making, thing, he was looking after his parents and other family members sending money, and he want to get his brother's children to study here in USA! I am not talking about that kind of fake Gurus, I am talking about the genuine ones, which want to help the devotees to grow spiritually, Like Ramana Maharishi, Rama Krishna Paramahansa, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Sivananda, Swami Chinmayanada, Swami Tejomayanada, Swami Dayananda Saraswathi, etc etc. With Love & OM! Krishna PrasadPhilippe De Coster <hagurcomic (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Namaste, I do appreciate Divakara's statement as undermentioned. In the West, even more in Northern Europe, it is difficult even impossible to find a good Guru. But, it is as you said, "with or without guru, what really matters is Bhakti and love to come closer to God, and closer one comes, through selfless service or devotional service, meditation, knowledge in the Scriptures. Many a guru are big money-making in the West (I only know about here in Europe). They preach selflessness, but they don't, and act through their collaborators to gather packs of money from their disciples. Many years ago I landed in a meditation group, and I thought it was wonderful, meditating together, and learning Sanskrit songs, etc. After a while, one after the other, pleading for money came. That which made me to leave the group was: The 33rd anniversary of the guru serving in the West was to be celebrated. As gift, every disciple young or older, student or not, had to give one dollar for each year the guru being in the West. That was 33 dollars in 1998, a lot of money to give over here in those days. If you were a disciple for more than one year, you had to give an extra lumpsum, but I forgot how much it was. If I remember well, it was 100 dollar. Although the small local group met quite often in my appartment, I left the group. I think they left even my own town. Everyone got wiser at the end.5 I have a complete file on the guru in USA. Sorry about this, I had to pour out my heart. With my best wishes, Philippe De Coster http://www.geocities.com/hagurcomic/GitaBelgium.html Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote: Dear Krishna ji,God and divinity is very simple and everyone can seeit, it is nothing but love and care. Yes it will begood if we can find a right guru who will guide us inthe right path, and in search of a guru we will wastetime and only thing we get is disappointment. We cancontinue our spiritual quest for truth all by ourselves, if our quest is sincere, divne world willguide us, God, Angels and the whole world of divinityis watching us, they want to Guide us, help us, What Iam saying is we dont have to stop or get disheartenedbecause we did not find a guru, God will lead us to aguru, we still have to continue our quest.With Guru or without guru, the quest for truth or Godstarts with good, goodness and love, whatever we dowithout bhakti and love cannot take us close to god.Please think it over, God is simple, spiritualty issimple, it all starts with Good and love, if we openup to good and love, things will happen, because weare seeing this world through Gods view.Best Regards,Om namah shivaya,Divakar.--- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > wrote:> Hari OM!> > Dear Divakaraji,> > Of course if we are like Ramana Maharishi then we> do not require a Guru, Even Lord Krishna had a> Guru, Sandeepany Maharishi. > > Then, if we are without a Guru, there are lot of> self hallucination and we think that might is right,> and our Sadhana may not be at the right path and> way.> > Just simply looking for Good in others and in our> selves, nothing going to happen > Divakarji, as some one said we do not need temples> but we need hospitals and schools and social> service, but the most important thing is temple if> people really know the value of temples and start> visiting and following then we may not require> hospitals.> > We need a Satguru to know our own Self. Utlimately> until we realize that the Self is the real Guru> > with Love & OM!> > Krishna Prasad> > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> We dont need a guru for this, all we have to do is> look for good in others and our selves, it requires> honesty, paractice and love.> > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote:> > > What is required is only to drop the notions we> have> > about the Ego, Self, non-self, etc.> > This dropping takes place simultaneously with> the> > knowledge of Self i.e. the Real Nature of Self> takes> > place. In short, we are ignorant about our Real> > Nature and only Knowledge of Self can remove this> > ignorance. For this we have to study under a> Teacher> > who follows the Traditional Teaching Methodology.> > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > I agree, knowledge of real nature or self> > realization> > comes from understanding the true self within and> > without. for this the unreal self or ego should be> > controlled or removed.> > > > Om namah shivaya,> > Divakar.> > > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote:> > > > > You require neither to let go or reduce the Ego.> > One> > > has to expose the Ego to Kowledge of its Real> > > Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never> changes.> > > And that is what the Upanishads do by unfolding> > this> > > knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each> soul> > > as all are just manifestations of that Ultimate> > > Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of> "I"> > is> > > Sat Chit Ananda.> > > > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > > each soul in human form has two states or> > > existance,> > > divine and ego, when we see the world through> > divine> > > (love) we see truth and reality, when we see the> > > world> > > through ego we see maya, we have to open up our> > > self,> > > look into our inner self to find the divine or> > god,> > > and look at the world, we will see truth,> reality> > > and> > > love.> > > > > > It takes a lot of practice and honesty to let go> > or> > > reduce ego.> > > > > > Om namah shivaya,> > > Divakar.> > > > > > --- anil bindal <bindal (AT) dcmtech (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > > A desire is a desire be it spiritual or the> > > > material.> > > > > > > > Until we are able to do vichaara on who> desires> > ?> > > > how can i ( self-ego> > > > again) in Maya get a glimpse of Real Self ? > > > > > > > > Who seeks ? and what is to be sought ? is all> > this> > > > not a mind game ?> > > > > > > > Is knowledge itself not a game of mind..? and> > the> > > > experience of sharing> > > > the knowledge in the email lists..> > > > > > > > Even Saab Gorakh ki Maya hai or everything is> > will> > > > of GOD..who says so ?> > > > > > > > answer will be I..> > > > > > > > then who am i ?> > > > > > > > going thru a very pathetic state as ego does> > not> > > > want to kill itself.> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > > Anil Bindal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home> > page!> > > > > > http://www./r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on> > the> > > web.> > > > > > To from this group, send an> email> > > to:> > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personals> > > Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.> > > Lots of someones, actually. Personals> > > > > > > > > > ________ > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > dsl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Krishna Prasad "Since past and future have never been without the present, to know the eternal Now is to know the Truth" ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 mistakes he's showing how a satguru shld be and shld not be....so lord is so mercyful and clever....Omni potent, Omni Science and Omni presence...and lead us rightly.... He know how to do and when to do....we are kids and really when we get the potential and right time to read then he will give admission in his school....till that we need to play and be a part of his play.... A good Seed cannot stay in the bad soil. so a good disciple. No worries bad gurus for bad disciples. Even the bad disciple once realise their mistakes and try to become a good human then they also wont stay with the bad guru. Evolution is a continuing process thru many births.... No worries..No hurries....Right thing will happen at Right time.... Anbe Shivam (love is shiva)..... With love, A loving son of Mercyful Father Shiva Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote: Dear Krishnaji,I fully understand and agree with you but the problemis finding a right guru who is accessible to us. maybeI didnt frame my response correctly, All I am sayingis in my humble opinion that we will find many gurusand teachers along the way, we just have to recognizethem.I just want to share with you and others of this groupabout my humble experience, it may or may not behelpful to others but my heart wants to share andexpress gratitude.A while ago, in my spiritual quest I was confused andwas having many unanswered questions, I got directedto this group by diving guidance of lord shiva, I havelearned a lot from the postings and the responses tomy questions of the respected members of this group, Iconsider most of them as my gurus, these people havecleared my doubts and guided me when I was confusedand upset. I had some questions about lord shiva,meditation, Gayatri mantra and mantra chanting etc (some very silly) and respected members like KSRao ji,Saidevo, ArjunPunditji, George Pillai ji, Prasannaji,etc have clarified and guided me, Now I have foundcertain peace and direction in my quest for truth, Ihave developed a confidence that I am in the righttrack. honestly I am seeing things, my life haschanged, I am able to meditate. I will always begreatful and thankful to this group and its membersfor sharing wonderful information, answering myquestions and clearing my thoughts and guiding me.Not only this group there are a number of resources wejust have to look, like the bible says, "ask, and youwill get it", we just have to ask or seek. God mayeven give us a great guru who knows :)Om namah shivaya,Divakar.--- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > wrote:> Hari OM!> > Dear Philippe, Divakarji,> > I agree, with you both, even I had the same> expereince with a Guru, but all are money making,> thing, he was looking after his parents and other> family members sending money, and he want to get his> brother's children to study here in USA!> > I am not talking about that kind of fake Gurus, I> am talking about the genuine ones, which want to> help the devotees to grow spiritually, Like Ramana> Maharishi, Rama Krishna Paramahansa, Swami> Vivekananda, Swami Sivananda, Swami Chinmayanada,> Swami Tejomayanada, Swami Dayananda Saraswathi, etc> etc.> > With Love & OM!> > Krishna Prasad> > Philippe De Coster <hagurcomic (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> Namaste,> > I do appreciate Divakara's statement as> undermentioned. In the West, even more in Northern> Europe, it is difficult even impossible to find a> good Guru. But, it is as you said, "with or without> guru, what really matters is Bhakti and love to come> closer to God, and closer one comes, through> selfless service or devotional service, meditation,> knowledge in the Scriptures.> > Many a guru are big money-making in the West (I> only know about here in Europe). They preach> selflessness, but they don't, and act through their> collaborators to gather packs of money from their> disciples. Many years ago I landed in a meditation> group, and I thought it was wonderful, meditating> together, and learning Sanskrit songs, etc. After a> while, one after the other, pleading for money came.> That which made me to leave the group was: The 33rd> anniversary of the guru serving in the West was to> be celebrated. As gift, every disciple young or> older, student or not, had to give one dollar for> each year the guru being in the West. That was 33> dollars in 1998, a lot of money to give over here in> those days. If you were a disciple for more than one> year, you had to give an extra lumpsum, but I forgot> how much it was. If I remember well, it was 100> dollar. Although the small local group met quite> often in my appartment, I left the group. I think> they left even my own town. Everyone> got wiser at the end.5 I have a complete file on> the guru in USA.> > Sorry about this, I had to pour out my heart.> > With my best wishes,> Philippe De Coster> > http://www.geocities.com/hagurcomic/GitaBelgium.html> > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,> > God and divinity is very simple and everyone can see> it, it is nothing but love and care. Yes it will be> good if we can find a right guru who will guide us> in> the right path, and in search of a guru we will> waste> time and only thing we get is disappointment. We can> continue our spiritual quest for truth all by our> selves, if our quest is sincere, divne world will> guide us, God, Angels and the whole world of> divinity> is watching us, they want to Guide us, help us, What> I> am saying is we dont have to stop or get> disheartened> because we did not find a guru, God will lead us to> a> guru, we still have to continue our quest.> > With Guru or without guru, the quest for truth or> God> starts with good, goodness and love, whatever we do> without bhakti and love cannot take us close to god.> > Please think it over, God is simple, spiritualty is> simple, it all starts with Good and love, if we open> up to good and love, things will happen, because we> are seeing this world through Gods view.> > Best Regards,> Om namah shivaya,> Divakar.> > > --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > wrote:> > > Hari OM!> > > > Dear Divakaraji,> > > > Of course if we are like Ramana Maharishi then> we> > do not require a Guru, Even Lord Krishna had a> > Guru, Sandeepany Maharishi. > > > > Then, if we are without a Guru, there are lot of> > self hallucination and we think that might is> right,> > and our Sadhana may not be at the right path and> > way.> > > > Just simply looking for Good in others and in> our> > selves, nothing going to happen > > Divakarji, as some one said we do not need temples> > but we need hospitals and schools and social> > service, but the most important thing is temple if> > people really know the value of temples and start> > visiting and following then we may not require> > hospitals.> > > > We need a Satguru to know our own Self.> Utlimately> > until we realize that the Self is the real Guru> > > > with Love & OM!> > > > Krishna Prasad> > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > We dont need a guru for this, all we have to do> is> > look for good in others and our selves, it> requires> > honesty, paractice and love.> > > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote:> > > > > What is required is only to drop the notions we> > have> > > about the Ego, Self, non-self, etc.> > > This dropping takes place simultaneously with> > the> > > knowledge of Self i.e. the Real Nature of Self> > takes> > > place. In short, we are ignorant about our Real> > > Nature and only Knowledge of Self can remove> this> > > ignorance. For this we have to study under a> > Teacher> > > who follows the Traditional Teaching> Methodology.> > > > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > > I agree, knowledge of real nature or self> > > realization> > > comes from understanding the true self within> and> > > without. for this the unreal self or ego should> be> > > controlled or removed.> > > > > > Om namah shivaya,> > > Divakar.> > > > > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote:> > > > > > > You require neither to let go or reduce the> Ego.> > > One> > > > has to expose the Ego to Kowledge of its Real> > > > Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never> > changes.> > > > And that is what the Upanishads do by> unfolding> > > this> > > > knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each> > soul> > > > as all are just manifestations of that> Ultimate> > > > Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of> > "I"> > > is> > > > Sat Chit Ananda.> > > > > > > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > > > each soul in human form has two states or> > > > existance,> > > > divine and ego, when we see the world through> > > divine> > > > (love) we see truth and reality, when we see> the> === message truncated ===Do You ? Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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