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never think or worry coz it goes in vain and is inherently futile by nature.

People say be desireless and ull attain salvation, but how is that possible ,

being desireless is death of the present body, i have desires and ambitions and

want to give meaning to them. is anything wrong with it. If desires are so

spitefull then why were they given to me in the first place. i think desires

are not always amoral. Please respond Pranam Jai Shri Krsna/ Aum Namah

Shivaye Both work for me coz Shiva and Krsna are the same. I do not want to

argue on tht which unfortunately has been a point of contention since last few

days. If i offend u, i apologize. i am still a fool. yuvraj.

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My Dear Yuvraj,

 

i feel your pain and helplessness..i extend my best wishes to you and empathise

with

you.

 

the ego self..small "i" which wants to be now capital "I"..for this small i has

to remind

itself of its original I..and obtain the same characteristics as capital I..in

this process..

the ego self (i) gives us a hell of a bad time ( sufferings) since small i does

not want

to

die..and for its survival..will drive one mad and crazy to quit evolution

process to

capital I..BUT DONOT QUIT..

 

read someone.pdf in the files section..u may /may not get the answers..

 

you (i) are yourself GOD (I) so who is to follow whom ??

 

i am an IT engineer caught in the same conflicts..i too feel at times..that all

is vain..for

we think there is something outside of us that we need to seek..ego self tries

to

befool us in every respect..all mind game..for its own survival..that is how we

are

programmed by design..but also we are designed and programmed that if (i)

desires

so..(i) has to BE (I)..but in the evolution process (i) dies and hence it is the

chatpathahat of small i.. before..permanent death..which small i feels and this

chatpathahat is difficult to withstand in the weak mind and body...

 

read the ebook..it is very scientific in explanation of i and I and its journey

from i-I

 

sometimes i feel attracted to Non-duality..but doing a constant self

enquiry..gives me

headache..so i surrender and accept all that is non-frustrating as a sadhak..

 

but believe me once the process has started for you..it will automatically lead

you..to

I..there is no coming back..if you cling to thie evolution process..program is

bound to

succeed..

 

our soul knows its script and every moment we are doing exactly as per

script..so

nothing to worry..

 

just be aware of what is going on in mind at any moment of crisis or

pleasure..if you

can afford to be so much consciously present..or else in times of exasperation,

conflicts, - just be a witness of mind..its thoughts..without judgement..

 

may be you should read good books ..like power of now..conversation with

GOD..Ramtha white book..at least it will satify your ego self..

 

Now to your specific questions..

 

1) what do we mean when we say follow God, is it just praising our God Shiva or

Krsna, or is it jusy thinking about them, or is it just living in negation and

being silent

to all the happenings around us ..and be always in the mode of Bhakti by being

mute

spectators?..

 

A: U are yrself GOD..who is to follow whom ?..Are you not following and doing

exactly what you are desiring at any moment..now this means the very deep rooted

sponsoring thoughts of any - conscious thought- resulting in action, deed

etc..like r

you now allowing yourself to seek anwsers..feel the disgust in

conflicts..threaten list

and put the responsibility on the list for answers - to help you or you will

quit..or

provoking the members of the list to answer you..whatever.. i am choosing to

answer..

 

idea is that we are all gods and hence we have the power to manifest our

reality..our

individual reality in this limited world..there is no definite answer..and all

answers are

answers..no judgement..

 

so decide yourself what is the answer for your reality..that is your individual

i...

 

people who are totally illeterate and are mentally and physically disabled..also

have

their own reality..i..knowledge is all mind game..perishable..

 

whole idea is to be limitless and wholeness..may be not even this..who knows..??

 

B) I get so confused by differnt thought pattern running through our vedas and

Gurus. If i try to seek answer i am often told that its a pasing stage and

Shiva/Krsna

will help me soon and without their mercy nothing is possible. I

 

A: Why bother abt vedas and gurus..? and Shiva and Krshna..??

 

Seems dangerous ?? does it mean that Atheist are not small i - part of GOD ??

each

small i has a conditioning and beliefs..and they are as they are..

 

Re-incarnation is again a belief..( i have myself done past life regressions and

could

see my 3 past lifes way back upto 4000 years..!! )..in this incarnation..i

worship Shiva..

in my earlier life i saw myself as an english lady..i must have been worshipping

Jesus

then !!

 

Q: am actually so fed up with such rhetoric, that i sometime feel that i should

just

stop everything and just focus on my life and be aware of everything happening

around me and live peacefully and never think or worry coz it goes in vain and

is

inherently futile by nature.

 

A: There is always a purpose behind EVERYTHING..even behind the futility..

 

Remember SAMSARA=NIRVANA..

 

if you want to create the reality of above equation..then do it..why grudge it

??

 

You need to calm your mind and then feel what is that will give you BLISS..that

is

your reality..why do you want to believe that you are some special born who has

been

graced to seek GOD and attain the salvation ( pl. forgive me for harsh words )..

that

you have the 6th sense capabilities etc.. and salvation is THE ONLY REAL

PURPOSE of life ?? create a reality what you desire..and change it next moment

if

you again desire so..Why get into Jap Tap etc..

 

Q: People say be desireless and ull attain salvation, but how is that possible ,

being

desireless is death of the present body, i have desires and ambitions and want

to give

meaning to them. is anything wrong with it. If desires are so spitefull then why

were

they given to me in the first place. i think desires are not always amoral.

 

A: Salvation is not an object of Time, efforts, space.. it is beyong all

this..it exists

NOW ....why salvation has to be sough after as an object.. You are at

salvation..again

a ego self illusory thought.. There is no GODDISH object that exists there as a

light

etc..which we need to see and then get submerged..

 

however mentioned earlier..that is one single (i) belief..and all may disagree

to it..and

they is OK..

 

What are desires ?? merely self ego thoughts which arise out of self preserving

state

to befool us !!

 

...learn to simplly watch life happening..just watch thoughts arising..

 

There is nothing right/ wrong..

 

How can a GOD be wrong ( that is you )..

 

am getting little bored while writing..so will finish it here..

 

Om namah Shivaya..Shivaya namah Om..

 

Regards

anil

( name in this incarnation but not my real identity