Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Dear All, To get a good Guru, one should first become a very good Shishya, I think. Let us try to become very good shishyas so as to become eligble for getting good gurus. I am sure, He transforms Himself into a Guru to guide us the day we become very good shishyas. Love and regards P. Gopi Krishna p_gopi_krishna p_gopi_krishna p_gopi_k Off. Tel. No. 2460 2101 Res. Tel. No. 2262 9066 ----Original Message Follows---- Digest Number 137 12 Dec 2005 08:18:42 -0000 There are 7 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Hanuman Chalisa Divakara Tanjore <div_tan 2. Re: na tato na mata Dharmi <psk_2 3. Re: na tato na mata Nirmal Sharma <ghimirenirmal 4. Bhavani Asthakam and Tripurasundari Ashtakam "chelakkara_raja" <chelakkara_raja 5. Re: who am i ? Divakara Tanjore <div_tan 6. Re: who am i ? Philippe De Coster <hagurcomic 7. Re: who am i ? venkat raman <s_venkat75 ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:34:00 -0800 (PST) Divakara Tanjore <div_tan Re: Hanuman Chalisa Great Picture Prasanna ji. Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- prasanna kumar <prasannakumar21 wrote: > *JAI HANUMAN GYAN GUN SAGAR JAI KAPISH TUHI LOK > UJAGAR" > * > > Thanks and Regards > Prasanna Kumar > [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:58:00 -0800 (PST) Dharmi <psk_2 Re: na tato na mata Hello Nirmal Sharma, >>>I have listened to this one shiva bhajan from my childhood and immensely >>>>like it and is just so nice to listento this " NA TATO NA MATA, NA BANDHUR NA APATA,NA PUTRA NA PUTRI NA BHRITYO NA BHARTAGATISTAM, GATISTAM, TOMEKA BHAVANI" ( this is only part of the big bhajan) The above verses are from Bhavani Ashtkam and not any shiva "Bhajan" Composed by Adi guru, Shankaraya bhagvat pada.... urf Adi -Shankaracharya. Bhajans and ashtakams are totally a different ball game. A Prayer to Mother Divine,Bhavani - these sacred sanskrit 8 Stanza prayers were written by Sri Aadi Shankaracharya, composed in a high state of devotion and bliss to uplift the devotees. Na Taato Na Maato Na Bandhur Na Daata, Na putro Na putri Na Bhrityo Na Bharta ! Na Jaaya Na Vidya Na Vriteermameva, Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! (O Mother Divine! Father, Mother,Husband,Wife,Children and Friends- none of these are eternallymine. Knowledge,intellect,mind and will power are also not eternal. O Mother of the universe- You are myonlysaviour, My eternal refuge) Bhavadbhavapaarey Mahadukha Bheeruhu, Prapaata Prakaami Pralobhi Pramatah! KuSansaara Paasha Prabhadha Sadaham Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! ( I have fallen in the ocean of birth and death, and I fear their sorrows. I am trapped by my ego with its countless desires, greed, pride and lust. O Mother of the universe- You are my only saviour, my eternal refuge.) Na Jaanami Daanam, Na Cha Dhyaana Yogam, Na Jaanami Tantram, Na Cha StotraMantram! Na Jaanami Poojaam, Na Cha Nyaasa Yogam, Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! (O Mother of the universe - I do not know how to come close to you. I do not know any form of worship. Help me, O Mother Divine- You are my only saviour, my eternal refuge.) Na Jaanami Punyam, Na Jaanami Theertham, Na Jaanami Mutkeem, Layam Vaa Kadachit ! Na Jaanami Bhatkeem, Vratam Vaapi Maatah, Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! (I do not know how to be righteous or find your abode. I do not know how to achieve freedom by dissolving my ego. i am deviod and surrender. I am not strong enough to make any vow. O Mother of the universe- You are my saviour, my eternal refuge) Kukarmi, Kusangi, Ku buddhi, Kudasah, Kulaacharaheenah Kadachaaraleenah! Kudrushtih, Kuvaakya Prabandah Sadaham Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! (My mind is always engaged in worthless thoughts and actions. My Intellect has become dull, enslaved by old habits. I am unable to behave honourably and my intentions are unique. My speech becomes harsh and hurting. Save me,O Mother of the universe - You aremy only saviour,my eternal refuge) Prajesham, Ramesham, Mahesham, Suresham, Dinesham Nishiteshwaram Va Kadachit Na Jaanami Chaanyat Sadaham Sharanye' Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! (I do not Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Indra, Surya and Chandra, or any other divinities. O Mother of the universe, you are known for your compassion- You are my only saviour, My eternal refuge) Divaadey, Vishadey, Pramadhey, Pravaasey Jaale Chaanalay, Parvatey, Shatrumadhyae' Aranye' Sharanye' Sada Maa Prapahi Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! ( O compassionate Mother, protect me wherever I am and with whomever I am with in pleasure and in distress.O Mother of the universe - You are my only saviour, My eternal refuge) Anartho Daridro Jara Rogayukto, Mahashkeena Deenah Sada JadyaVaktrah Vipatto Pravishtah Pranashtah Sadaham, Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! ( O Mother, I feel like an orphan on this Earth, powerless and without inner wealth, deluded by ignorance and unable to see the light of truth. O Mother of the universe - You are my only saviour, My eternal refuge) Regards Dharmi.... Nirmal Sharma <ghimirenirmal wrote: Dear Sir Mr.Pillai George: Your contributions are so inspirign and really a blessing to read them. Your posts are verty informative and very good for the mind. I had a favor to ask you if it was possible. I unfortunaltey do not know Sanskrit and have to rely on english translations. But I love the tone, accent and chanting of sanskrit. I have listened to this one shiva bhajan from my childhood and immensely like it and is just so nice to listento this ; " NA TATO NA MATA, NA BANDHUR NA APATA,NA PUTRA NA PUTRI NA BHRITYO NA BHARTA GATISTAM, GATISTAM, TOMEKA BHAVANI" ( this is only part of the big bhajan) I do understand what this line says. But I was wondering if you had the traslation of the whole of this bhajan. it is such a beatiful bhajan i encourage everyone to listen to it. But I am sure the meaning of this also must be very spiritual,so I took the liberty to make this request. with best wishes Nirmal Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Lord shiva Visit your group "" on the web. Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:43:49 -0800 (PST) Nirmal Sharma <ghimirenirmal Re: na tato na mata Dear Dharmi: Thank you very very much. And also thanks for removing my ignorance about the difference between bhajan and ashtakams. I never knew this was for Mother Divine. Thank you very much for sending me the translation. Indeed it is so nice to read it. with best regards Nirmal Dharmi <psk_2 wrote: Hello Nirmal Sharma, >>>I have listened to this one shiva bhajan from my childhood and immensely >>>>like it and is just so nice to listento this " NA TATO NA MATA, NA BANDHUR NA APATA,NA PUTRA NA PUTRI NA BHRITYO NA BHARTAGATISTAM, GATISTAM, TOMEKA BHAVANI" ( this is only part of the big bhajan) The above verses are from Bhavani Ashtkam and not any shiva "Bhajan" Composed by Adi guru, Shankaraya bhagvat pada.... urf Adi -Shankaracharya. Bhajans and ashtakams are totally a different ball game. A Prayer to Mother Divine,Bhavani - these sacred sanskrit 8 Stanza prayers were written by Sri Aadi Shankaracharya, composed in a high state of devotion and bliss to uplift the devotees. Na Taato Na Maato Na Bandhur Na Daata, Na putro Na putri Na Bhrityo Na Bharta ! Na Jaaya Na Vidya Na Vriteermameva, Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! (O Mother Divine! Father, Mother,Husband,Wife,Children and Friends- none of these are eternallymine. Knowledge,intellect,mind and will power are also not eternal. O Mother of the universe- You are myonlysaviour, My eternal refuge) Bhavadbhavapaarey Mahadukha Bheeruhu, Prapaata Prakaami Pralobhi Pramatah! KuSansaara Paasha Prabhadha Sadaham Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! ( I have fallen in the ocean of birth and death, and I fear their sorrows. I am trapped by my ego with its countless desires, greed, pride and lust. O Mother of the universe- You are my only saviour, my eternal refuge.) Na Jaanami Daanam, Na Cha Dhyaana Yogam, Na Jaanami Tantram, Na Cha StotraMantram! Na Jaanami Poojaam, Na Cha Nyaasa Yogam, Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! (O Mother of the universe - I do not know how to come close to you. I do not know any form of worship. Help me, O Mother Divine- You are my only saviour, my eternal refuge.) Na Jaanami Punyam, Na Jaanami Theertham, Na Jaanami Mutkeem, Layam Vaa Kadachit ! Na Jaanami Bhatkeem, Vratam Vaapi Maatah, Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! (I do not know how to be righteous or find your abode. I do not know how to achieve freedom by dissolving my ego. i am deviod and surrender. I am not strong enough to make any vow. O Mother of the universe- You are my saviour, my eternal refuge) Kukarmi, Kusangi, Ku buddhi, Kudasah, Kulaacharaheenah Kadachaaraleenah! Kudrushtih, Kuvaakya Prabandah Sadaham Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! (My mind is always engaged in worthless thoughts and actions. My Intellect has become dull, enslaved by old habits. I am unable to behave honourably and my intentions are unique. My speech becomes harsh and hurting. Save me,O Mother of the universe - You aremy only saviour,my eternal refuge) Prajesham, Ramesham, Mahesham, Suresham, Dinesham Nishiteshwaram Va Kadachit Na Jaanami Chaanyat Sadaham Sharanye' Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! (I do not Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Indra, Surya and Chandra, or any other divinities. O Mother of the universe, you are known for your compassion- You are my only saviour, My eternal refuge) Divaadey, Vishadey, Pramadhey, Pravaasey Jaale Chaanalay, Parvatey, Shatrumadhyae' Aranye' Sharanye' Sada Maa Prapahi Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! ( O compassionate Mother, protect me wherever I am and with whomever I am with in pleasure and in distress.O Mother of the universe - You are my only saviour, My eternal refuge) Anartho Daridro Jara Rogayukto, Mahashkeena Deenah Sada JadyaVaktrah Vipatto Pravishtah Pranashtah Sadaham, Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !! ( O Mother, I feel like an orphan on this Earth, powerless and without inner wealth, deluded by ignorance and unable to see the light of truth. O Mother of the universe - You are my only saviour, My eternal refuge) Regards Dharmi.... Nirmal Sharma <ghimirenirmal wrote: Dear Sir Mr.Pillai George: Your contributions are so inspirign and really a blessing to read them. Your posts are verty informative and very good for the mind. I had a favor to ask you if it was possible. I unfortunaltey do not know Sanskrit and have to rely on english translations. But I love the tone, accent and chanting of sanskrit. I have listened to this one shiva bhajan from my childhood and immensely like it and is just so nice to listento this ; " NA TATO NA MATA, NA BANDHUR NA APATA,NA PUTRA NA PUTRI NA BHRITYO NA BHARTA GATISTAM, GATISTAM, TOMEKA BHAVANI" ( this is only part of the big bhajan) I do understand what this line says. But I was wondering if you had the traslation of the whole of this bhajan. it is such a beatiful bhajan i encourage everyone to listen to it. But I am sure the meaning of this also must be very spiritual,so I took the liberty to make this request. with best wishes Nirmal Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Lord shiva Visit your group "" on the web. Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ Message: 4 Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:39:53 -0000 "chelakkara_raja" <chelakkara_raja Bhavani Asthakam and Tripurasundari Ashtakam Dear Friends, The translations to these two great dstotrams have been added to my web site www.geocities.com/ramya475/ recently. Ramachander ______________________ ______________________ Message: 5 Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:29:56 -0800 (PST) Divakara Tanjore <div_tan Re: who am i ? Dear Krishnaji, I fully understand and agree with you but the problem is finding a right guru who is accessible to us. maybe I didnt frame my response correctly, All I am saying is in my humble opinion that we will find many gurus and teachers along the way, we just have to recognize them. I just want to share with you and others of this group about my humble experience, it may or may not be helpful to others but my heart wants to share and express gratitude. A while ago, in my spiritual quest I was confused and was having many unanswered questions, I got directed to this group by diving guidance of lord shiva, I have learned a lot from the postings and the responses to my questions of the respected members of this group, I consider most of them as my gurus, these people have cleared my doubts and guided me when I was confused and upset. I had some questions about lord shiva, meditation, Gayatri mantra and mantra chanting etc ( some very silly) and respected members like KSRao ji, Saidevo, ArjunPunditji, George Pillai ji, Prasannaji, etc have clarified and guided me, Now I have found certain peace and direction in my quest for truth, I have developed a confidence that I am in the right track. honestly I am seeing things, my life has changed, I am able to meditate. I will always be greatful and thankful to this group and its members for sharing wonderful information, answering my questions and clearing my thoughts and guiding me. Not only this group there are a number of resources we just have to look, like the bible says, "ask, and you will get it", we just have to ask or seek. God may even give us a great guru who knows Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote: > Hari OM! > > Dear Philippe, Divakarji, > > I agree, with you both, even I had the same > expereince with a Guru, but all are money making, > thing, he was looking after his parents and other > family members sending money, and he want to get his > brother's children to study here in USA! > > I am not talking about that kind of fake Gurus, I > am talking about the genuine ones, which want to > help the devotees to grow spiritually, Like Ramana > Maharishi, Rama Krishna Paramahansa, Swami > Vivekananda, Swami Sivananda, Swami Chinmayanada, > Swami Tejomayanada, Swami Dayananda Saraswathi, etc > etc. > > With Love & OM! > > Krishna Prasad > > Philippe De Coster <hagurcomic wrote: > Namaste, > > I do appreciate Divakara's statement as > undermentioned. In the West, even more in Northern > Europe, it is difficult even impossible to find a > good Guru. But, it is as you said, "with or without > guru, what really matters is Bhakti and love to come > closer to God, and closer one comes, through > selfless service or devotional service, meditation, > knowledge in the Scriptures. > > Many a guru are big money-making in the West (I > only know about here in Europe). They preach > selflessness, but they don't, and act through their > collaborators to gather packs of money from their > disciples. Many years ago I landed in a meditation > group, and I thought it was wonderful, meditating > together, and learning Sanskrit songs, etc. After a > while, one after the other, pleading for money came. > That which made me to leave the group was: The 33rd > anniversary of the guru serving in the West was to > be celebrated. As gift, every disciple young or > older, student or not, had to give one dollar for > each year the guru being in the West. That was 33 > dollars in 1998, a lot of money to give over here in > those days. If you were a disciple for more than one > year, you had to give an extra lumpsum, but I forgot > how much it was. If I remember well, it was 100 > dollar. Although the small local group met quite > often in my appartment, I left the group. I think > they left even my own town. Everyone > got wiser at the end.5 I have a complete file on > the guru in USA. > > Sorry about this, I had to pour out my heart. > > With my best wishes, > Philippe De Coster > > http://www.geocities.com/hagurcomic/GitaBelgium.html > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > Dear Krishna ji, > > God and divinity is very simple and everyone can see > it, it is nothing but love and care. Yes it will be > good if we can find a right guru who will guide us > in > the right path, and in search of a guru we will > waste > time and only thing we get is disappointment. We can > continue our spiritual quest for truth all by our > selves, if our quest is sincere, divne world will > guide us, God, Angels and the whole world of > divinity > is watching us, they want to Guide us, help us, What > I > am saying is we dont have to stop or get > disheartened > because we did not find a guru, God will lead us to > a > guru, we still have to continue our quest. > > With Guru or without guru, the quest for truth or > God > starts with good, goodness and love, whatever we do > without bhakti and love cannot take us close to god. > > Please think it over, God is simple, spiritualty is > simple, it all starts with Good and love, if we open > up to good and love, things will happen, because we > are seeing this world through Gods view. > > Best Regards, > Om namah shivaya, > Divakar. > > > --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote: > > > Hari OM! > > > > Dear Divakaraji, > > > > Of course if we are like Ramana Maharishi then > we > > do not require a Guru, Even Lord Krishna had a > > Guru, Sandeepany Maharishi. > > > > Then, if we are without a Guru, there are lot of > > self hallucination and we think that might is > right, > > and our Sadhana may not be at the right path and > > way. > > > > Just simply looking for Good in others and in > our > > selves, nothing going to happen > > Divakarji, as some one said we do not need temples > > but we need hospitals and schools and social > > service, but the most important thing is temple if > > people really know the value of temples and start > > visiting and following then we may not require > > hospitals. > > > > We need a Satguru to know our own Self. > Utlimately > > until we realize that the Self is the real Guru > > > > with Love & OM! > > > > Krishna Prasad > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > We dont need a guru for this, all we have to do > is > > look for good in others and our selves, it > requires > > honesty, paractice and love. > > > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > > > > > What is required is only to drop the notions we > > have > > > about the Ego, Self, non-self, etc. > > > This dropping takes place simultaneously with > > the > > > knowledge of Self i.e. the Real Nature of Self > > takes > > > place. In short, we are ignorant about our Real > > > Nature and only Knowledge of Self can remove > this > > > ignorance. For this we have to study under a > > Teacher > > > who follows the Traditional Teaching > Methodology. > > > > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > > I agree, knowledge of real nature or self > > > realization > > > comes from understanding the true self within > and > > > without. for this the unreal self or ego should > be > > > controlled or removed. > > > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > > Divakar. > > > > > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > > > > > > > You require neither to let go or reduce the > Ego. > > > One > > > > has to expose the Ego to Kowledge of its Real > > > > Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never > > changes. > > > > And that is what the Upanishads do by > unfolding > > > this > > > > knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each > > soul > > > > as all are just manifestations of that > Ultimate > > > > Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of > > "I" > > > is > > > > Sat Chit Ananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > > > each soul in human form has two states or > > > > existance, > > > > divine and ego, when we see the world through > > > divine > > > > (love) we see truth and reality, when we see > the > === message truncated === ______________________ ______________________ Message: 6 Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:55:47 +0000 (GMT) Philippe De Coster <hagurcomic Re: who am i ? Hari Om, Thank you very much for the reply. I agree with you. I was also thinking about fake guru's, the one I had in mind lives in New York, well over 65 years of age now, used to be an atlethic, and wants his followers to be also (they have to run everyday so many miles). He writes songs, paints birds, and write spirituality in a more sensational way, not very deep going at all. Devotees have to meditate on his transcendental photograph (not photocopy). He has lots of bodyguards, and appears in the public as a muscian. he writes songs in public. (Sri Ch....) I never had in mind the genuine, God sent guru's as undermentioned. I have a veneration for all of them, and have even their books which I cherish. This is our world anyway; In all this we have to live unattached. Namaste, Philippe De Coster Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote: Hari OM! Dear Philippe, Divakarji, I agree, with you both, even I had the same expereince with a Guru, but all are money making, thing, he was looking after his parents and other family members sending money, and he want to get his brother's children to study here in USA! I am not talking about that kind of fake Gurus, I am talking about the genuine ones, which want to help the devotees to grow spiritually, Like Ramana Maharishi, Rama Krishna Paramahansa, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Sivananda, Swami Chinmayanada, Swami Tejomayanada, Swami Dayananda Saraswathi, etc etc. With Love & OM! Krishna Prasad Philippe De Coster <hagurcomic wrote: Namaste, I do appreciate Divakara's statement as undermentioned. In the West, even more in Northern Europe, it is difficult even impossible to find a good Guru. But, it is as you said, "with or without guru, what really matters is Bhakti and love to come closer to God, and closer one comes, through selfless service or devotional service, meditation, knowledge in the Scriptures. Many a guru are big money-making in the West (I only know about here in Europe). They preach selflessness, but they don't, and act through their collaborators to gather packs of money from their disciples. Many years ago I landed in a meditation group, and I thought it was wonderful, meditating together, and learning Sanskrit songs, etc. After a while, one after the other, pleading for money came. That which made me to leave the group was: The 33rd anniversary of the guru serving in the West was to be celebrated. As gift, every disciple young or older, student or not, had to give one dollar for each year the guru being in the West. That was 33 dollars in 1998, a lot of money to give over here in those days. If you were a disciple for more than one year, you had to give an extra lumpsum, but I forgot how much it was. If I remember well, it was 100 dollar. Although the small local group met quite often in my appartment, I left the group. I think they left even my own town. Everyone got wiser at the end.5 I have a complete file on the guru in USA. Sorry about this, I had to pour out my heart. With my best wishes, Philippe De Coster http://www.geocities.com/hagurcomic/GitaBelgium.html Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: Dear Krishna ji, God and divinity is very simple and everyone can see it, it is nothing but love and care. Yes it will be good if we can find a right guru who will guide us in the right path, and in search of a guru we will waste time and only thing we get is disappointment. We can continue our spiritual quest for truth all by our selves, if our quest is sincere, divne world will guide us, God, Angels and the whole world of divinity is watching us, they want to Guide us, help us, What I am saying is we dont have to stop or get disheartened because we did not find a guru, God will lead us to a guru, we still have to continue our quest. With Guru or without guru, the quest for truth or God starts with good, goodness and love, whatever we do without bhakti and love cannot take us close to god. Please think it over, God is simple, spiritualty is simple, it all starts with Good and love, if we open up to good and love, things will happen, because we are seeing this world through Gods view. Best Regards, Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote: > Hari OM! > > Dear Divakaraji, > > Of course if we are like Ramana Maharishi then we > do not require a Guru, Even Lord Krishna had a > Guru, Sandeepany Maharishi. > > Then, if we are without a Guru, there are lot of > self hallucination and we think that might is right, > and our Sadhana may not be at the right path and > way. > > Just simply looking for Good in others and in our > selves, nothing going to happen > Divakarji, as some one said we do not need temples > but we need hospitals and schools and social > service, but the most important thing is temple if > people really know the value of temples and start > visiting and following then we may not require > hospitals. > > We need a Satguru to know our own Self. Utlimately > until we realize that the Self is the real Guru > > with Love & OM! > > Krishna Prasad > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > We dont need a guru for this, all we have to do is > look for good in others and our selves, it requires > honesty, paractice and love. > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > > > What is required is only to drop the notions we > have > > about the Ego, Self, non-self, etc. > > This dropping takes place simultaneously with > the > > knowledge of Self i.e. the Real Nature of Self > takes > > place. In short, we are ignorant about our Real > > Nature and only Knowledge of Self can remove this > > ignorance. For this we have to study under a > Teacher > > who follows the Traditional Teaching Methodology. > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > I agree, knowledge of real nature or self > > realization > > comes from understanding the true self within and > > without. for this the unreal self or ego should be > > controlled or removed. > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > Divakar. > > > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > > > > > You require neither to let go or reduce the Ego. > > One > > > has to expose the Ego to Kowledge of its Real > > > Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never > changes. > > > And that is what the Upanishads do by unfolding > > this > > > knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each > soul > > > as all are just manifestations of that Ultimate > > > Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of > "I" > > is > > > Sat Chit Ananda. > > > > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > > each soul in human form has two states or > > > existance, > > > divine and ego, when we see the world through > > divine > > > (love) we see truth and reality, when we see the > > > world > > > through ego we see maya, we have to open up our > > > self, > > > look into our inner self to find the divine or > > god, > > > and look at the world, we will see truth, > reality > > > and > > > love. > > > > > > It takes a lot of practice and honesty to let go > > or > > > reduce ego. > > > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > > Divakar. > > > > > > --- anil bindal <bindal wrote: > > > > > > > A desire is a desire be it spiritual or the > > > > material. > > > > > > > > Until we are able to do vichaara on who > desires > > ? > > > > how can i ( self-ego > > > > again) in Maya get a glimpse of Real Self ? > > > > > > > > Who seeks ? and what is to be sought ? is all > > this > > > > not a mind game ? > > > > > > > > Is knowledge itself not a game of mind..? and > > the > > > > experience of sharing > > > > the knowledge in the email lists.. > > > > > > > > Even Saab Gorakh ki Maya hai or everything is > > will > > > > of GOD..who says so ? > > > > > > > > answer will be I.. > > > > > > > > then who am i ? > > > > > > > > going thru a very pathetic state as ego does > > not > > > > want to kill itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > Anil Bindal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home > > page! > > > > > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on > > the > > > web. > > > > > > To from this group, send an > email > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personals > > > Single? 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Dear All, I agree phillipe Ji, Getting a good Guru is becoming hard to good guys.....I believe that good guru is searching for a good disciple....I think if we develop ourself and try to become more and more perfect, then in one stage that good, great guru come to us automatically....it like we all in 5th road but that good guru is on the cross road of the 1st lane....if we try to become perfect each day and every minute by becoming true, humble, honest, not money minded, dettached, love for fellow beings (compassion) without any expectation and move forward...then we will meet our good great Satguru on the first lane....then he will lead us to laneless lane.... Actually speaking we are learning from others mistakes.....i think each one of us is going to be a satguru for the future generations....thats why lord is showing bad gurus and their mistakes. From their mistakes he's showing how a satguru shld be and shld not be....so lord is so mercyful and clever....Omni potent, Omni Science and Omni presence...and lead us rightly.... He know how to do and when to do....we are kids and really when we get the potential and right time to read then he will give admission in his school....till that we need to play and be a part of his play.... A good Seed cannot stay in the bad soil. so a good disciple. No worries bad gurus for bad disciples. Even the bad disciple once realise their mistakes and try to become a good human then they also wont stay with the bad guru. Evolution is a continuing process thru many births.... No worries..No hurries....Right thing will happen at Right time.... Anbe Shivam (love is shiva)..... With love, A loving son of Mercyful Father Shiva Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: Dear Krishnaji, I fully understand and agree with you but the problem is finding a right guru who is accessible to us. maybe I didnt frame my response correctly, All I am saying is in my humble opinion that we will find many gurus and teachers along the way, we just have to recognize them. I just want to share with you and others of this group about my humble experience, it may or may not be helpful to others but my heart wants to share and express gratitude. A while ago, in my spiritual quest I was confused and was having many unanswered questions, I got directed to this group by diving guidance of lord shiva, I have learned a lot from the postings and the responses to my questions of the respected members of this group, I consider most of them as my gurus, these people have cleared my doubts and guided me when I was confused and upset. I had some questions about lord shiva, meditation, Gayatri mantra and mantra chanting etc ( some very silly) and respected members like KSRao ji, Saidevo, ArjunPunditji, George Pillai ji, Prasannaji, etc have clarified and guided me, Now I have found certain peace and direction in my quest for truth, I have developed a confidence that I am in the right track. honestly I am seeing things, my life has changed, I am able to meditate. I will always be greatful and thankful to this group and its members for sharing wonderful information, answering my questions and clearing my thoughts and guiding me. Not only this group there are a number of resources we just have to look, like the bible says, "ask, and you will get it", we just have to ask or seek. God may even give us a great guru who knows Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote: > Hari OM! > > Dear Philippe, Divakarji, > > I agree, with you both, even I had the same > expereince with a Guru, but all are money making, > thing, he was looking after his parents and other > family members sending money, and he want to get his > brother's children to study here in USA! > > I am not talking about that kind of fake Gurus, I > am talking about the genuine ones, which want to > help the devotees to grow spiritually, Like Ramana > Maharishi, Rama Krishna Paramahansa, Swami > Vivekananda, Swami Sivananda, Swami Chinmayanada, > Swami Tejomayanada, Swami Dayananda Saraswathi, etc > etc. > > With Love & OM! > > Krishna Prasad > > Philippe De Coster <hagurcomic wrote: > Namaste, > > I do appreciate Divakara's statement as > undermentioned. In the West, even more in Northern > Europe, it is difficult even impossible to find a > good Guru. But, it is as you said, "with or without > guru, what really matters is Bhakti and love to come > closer to God, and closer one comes, through > selfless service or devotional service, meditation, > knowledge in the Scriptures. > > Many a guru are big money-making in the West (I > only know about here in Europe). They preach > selflessness, but they don't, and act through their > collaborators to gather packs of money from their > disciples. Many years ago I landed in a meditation > group, and I thought it was wonderful, meditating > together, and learning Sanskrit songs, etc. After a > while, one after the other, pleading for money came. > That which made me to leave the group was: The 33rd > anniversary of the guru serving in the West was to > be celebrated. As gift, every disciple young or > older, student or not, had to give one dollar for > each year the guru being in the West. That was 33 > dollars in 1998, a lot of money to give over here in > those days. If you were a disciple for more than one > year, you had to give an extra lumpsum, but I forgot > how much it was. If I remember well, it was 100 > dollar. Although the small local group met quite > often in my appartment, I left the group. I think > they left even my own town. Everyone > got wiser at the end.5 I have a complete file on > the guru in USA. > > Sorry about this, I had to pour out my heart. > > With my best wishes, > Philippe De Coster > > http://www.geocities.com/hagurcomic/GitaBelgium.html > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > Dear Krishna ji, > > God and divinity is very simple and everyone can see > it, it is nothing but love and care. Yes it will be > good if we can find a right guru who will guide us > in > the right path, and in search of a guru we will > waste > time and only thing we get is disappointment. We can > continue our spiritual quest for truth all by our > selves, if our quest is sincere, divne world will > guide us, God, Angels and the whole world of > divinity > is watching us, they want to Guide us, help us, What > I > am saying is we dont have to stop or get > disheartened > because we did not find a guru, God will lead us to > a > guru, we still have to continue our quest. > > With Guru or without guru, the quest for truth or > God > starts with good, goodness and love, whatever we do > without bhakti and love cannot take us close to god. > > Please think it over, God is simple, spiritualty is > simple, it all starts with Good and love, if we open > up to good and love, things will happen, because we > are seeing this world through Gods view. > > Best Regards, > Om namah shivaya, > Divakar. > > > --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote: > > > Hari OM! > > > > Dear Divakaraji, > > > > Of course if we are like Ramana Maharishi then > we > > do not require a Guru, Even Lord Krishna had a > > Guru, Sandeepany Maharishi. > > > > Then, if we are without a Guru, there are lot of > > self hallucination and we think that might is > right, > > and our Sadhana may not be at the right path and > > way. > > > > Just simply looking for Good in others and in > our > > selves, nothing going to happen > > Divakarji, as some one said we do not need temples > > but we need hospitals and schools and social > > service, but the most important thing is temple if > > people really know the value of temples and start > > visiting and following then we may not require > > hospitals. > > > > We need a Satguru to know our own Self. > Utlimately > > until we realize that the Self is the real Guru > > > > with Love & OM! > > > > Krishna Prasad > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > We dont need a guru for this, all we have to do > is > > look for good in others and our selves, it > requires > > honesty, paractice and love. > > > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > > > > > What is required is only to drop the notions we > > have > > > about the Ego, Self, non-self, etc. > > > This dropping takes place simultaneously with > > the > > > knowledge of Self i.e. the Real Nature of Self > > takes > > > place. In short, we are ignorant about our Real > > > Nature and only Knowledge of Self can remove > this > > > ignorance. For this we have to study under a > > Teacher > > > who follows the Traditional Teaching > Methodology. > > > > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > > I agree, knowledge of real nature or self > > > realization > > > comes from understanding the true self within > and > > > without. for this the unreal self or ego should > be > > > controlled or removed. > > > > > > Om namah shivaya, > > > Divakar. > > > > > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > > > > > > > You require neither to let go or reduce the > Ego. > > > One > > > > has to expose the Ego to Kowledge of its Real > > > > Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never > > changes. > > > > And that is what the Upanishads do by > unfolding > > > this > > > > knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each > > soul > > > > as all are just manifestations of that > Ultimate > > > > Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of > > "I" > > > is > > > > Sat Chit Ananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > > > > each soul in human form has two states or > > > > existance, > > > > divine and ego, when we see the world through > > > divine > > > > (love) we see truth and reality, when we see > the > === message truncated === Lord shiva Visit your group "" on the web. Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping [This message contained attachments] ______________________ ______________________ ------ ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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