Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 broke his leg. Everyone in the village said, "What a shame for the poor boy."The farmer said, "We'll see."Two days later, the army came into the village to draft new recruits. When they saw that the farmer's son had a broken leg, they decided not to recruit him.Everyone said, "What a fortunate young man."The farmer smiled again - and said "We'll see."Moral of the story: There's no use in overreacting to the events and circumstances of our everyday lives. Many times what looks like a setback, may actually be a gift in disguise. And when our hearts are in the right place, all events and circumstances are gifts that we can learn valuable lessons from. Yours George Pillai New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 You will get the reward when your time comes. Thanks & regards, Babu pillai george <pillai_george .sg> wrote: Once upon a time, there was a farmer in the central region of China. He didn't have a lot of money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old horse to plow his field. One afternoon, while working in the field, the horse dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, "Oh, what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer said simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so calm, that everyone in the village got together and, admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a gift. Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man." And the farmer said, "We'll see." A couple days later, the new horse jumped a fence and ran away. Everyone in the village shook their heads and said, "What a poor fellow!"The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see."Eventually, the horse found his way home, and everyone again said, "What a fortunate man." The farmer said, "We'll see."Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went out riding on the horse and fell and broke his leg. Everyone in the village said, "What a shame for the poor boy."The farmer said, "We'll see."Two days later, the army came into the village to draft new recruits. When they saw that the farmer's son had a broken leg, they decided not to recruit him.Everyone said, "What a fortunate young man."The farmer smiled again - and said "We'll see."Moral of the story: There's no use in overreacting to the events and circumstances of our everyday lives. Many times what looks like a setback, may actually be a gift in disguise. And when our hearts are in the right place, all events and circumstances are gifts that we can learn valuable lessons from. Yours George Pillai New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 only. Krisha too was very much aware of his poor condition, yet at no time he interfered till the time came when sudama decided to meet his old friend. This story is known to every one, yet people forget the basic message. We are mere puppets in the hands of God. Just go on doing our Karma without thinking of its reward. You will get the reward when your time comes. Thanks & regards, Babu pillai george <pillai_george .sg> wrote: Once upon a time, there was a farmer in the central region of China. He didn't have a lot of money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old horse to plow his field. One afternoon, while working in the field, the horse dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, "Oh, what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer said simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so calm, that everyone in the village got together and, admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a gift. Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man." And the farmer said, "We'll see." A couple days later, the new horse jumped a fence and ran away. Everyone in the village shook their heads and said, "What a poor fellow!"The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see."Eventually, the horse found his way home, and everyone again said, "What a fortunate man." The farmer said, "We'll see."Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went out riding on the horse and fell and broke his leg. Everyone in the village said, "What a shame for the poor boy."The farmer said, "We'll see."Two days later, the army came into the village to draft new recruits. When they saw that the farmer's son had a broken leg, they decided not to recruit him.Everyone said, "What a fortunate young man."The farmer smiled again - and said "We'll see."Moral of the story: There's no use in overreacting to the events and circumstances of our everyday lives. Many times what looks like a setback, may actually be a gift in disguise. And when our hearts are in the right place, all events and circumstances are gifts that we can learn valuable lessons from. Yours George Pillai New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Dear Ramanath ji, I beg to differ with you on "everything is pre-determined as a novel and we are puppets", actually only certain aspects of our life is pre-determined this is the blue print of our life, which will only define certain aspects of our life like choosing parents, choosing a career etc. rest is in our free will, so we have to be careful on what we do because everthing is recorded and we have to take responsibility for what we did with our free will. Om nahah shivaya, Divakar. --- Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu wrote: > Sir, > > excellent piece of story. If only people could > realise that whatever is happening in their life is > all pre-determined and even the God may not > interfere in it to change the course of life. > > The life is like a book (novel) already written. > We are mere actors of the novel already written. > Take the story of 'sudama' the closest friend of > Lord Krishna. He was so poor that days together, > his family could not get anything to eat. He on the > other hand, was unconcerned about all this, and > always throught about Lord only. Krisha too was > very much aware of his poor condition, yet at no > time he interfered till the time came when sudama > decided to meet his old friend. This story is known > to every one, yet people forget the basic message. > > We are mere puppets in the hands of God. Just go > on doing our Karma without thinking of its reward. > You will get the reward when your time comes. > > Thanks & regards, > > Babu > > > pillai george <pillai_george wrote: > Once upon a time, there was a farmer in the > central region of China. He didn't have a lot of > money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old > horse to plow his field. > > One afternoon, while working in the field, the horse > dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, "Oh, > what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer said > simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so calm, > that everyone in the village got together and, > admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a > gift. > > Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man." And > the farmer said, "We'll see." > > A couple days later, the new horse jumped a fence > and ran away. Everyone in the village shook their > heads and said, "What a poor fellow!" > > The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see." > > Eventually, the horse found his way home, and > everyone again said, "What a fortunate man." > > The farmer said, "We'll see." > > Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went out > riding on the horse and fell and broke his leg. > Everyone in the village said, "What a shame for the > poor boy." > > The farmer said, "We'll see." > > Two days later, the army came into the village to > draft new recruits. When they saw that the farmer's > son had a broken leg, they decided not to recruit > him. > > Everyone said, "What a fortunate young man." > > The farmer smiled again - and said "We'll see." > > Moral of the story: There's no use in overreacting > to the events and circumstances of our everyday > lives. Many times what looks like a setback, may > actually be a gift in disguise. And when our hearts > are in the right place, all events and circumstances > are gifts that we can learn valuable lessons from. > > Yours > George Pillai > > > > > New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage! > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the > web. > > To from this group, send an email > to: > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Dear Divakara Ji, Free will is an illusion..choices are already made..in a broader script (before birth) or in a finer script (in deep sleep in stral spalnes or even in the worldly planes)..script is dynamic and changes moment to moment..individuality things that it is the free will which is changing the script..while choices are already made..illusion of free will is only to know and gain wisdom why a choice was so made..otherwise the whole game will be spoilt.. AUM Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah AUM. anil , Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> wrote: > > Dear Ramanath ji, > > I beg to differ with you on "everything is > pre-determined as a novel and we are puppets", > actually only certain aspects of our life is > pre-determined this is the blue print of our life, > which will only define certain aspects of our life > like choosing parents, choosing a career etc. > > rest is in our free will, so we have to be careful on > what we do because everthing is recorded and we have > to take responsibility for what we did with our free > will. > > Om nahah shivaya, > Divakar. > > --- Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu> wrote: > > > Sir, > > > > excellent piece of story. If only people could > > realise that whatever is happening in their life is > > all pre-determined and even the God may not > > interfere in it to change the course of life. > > > > The life is like a book (novel) already written. > > We are mere actors of the novel already written. > > Take the story of 'sudama' the closest friend of > > Lord Krishna. He was so poor that days together, > > his family could not get anything to eat. He on the > > other hand, was unconcerned about all this, and > > always throught about Lord only. Krisha too was > > very much aware of his poor condition, yet at no > > time he interfered till the time came when sudama > > decided to meet his old friend. This story is known > > to every one, yet people forget the basic message. > > > > We are mere puppets in the hands of God. Just go > > on doing our Karma without thinking of its reward. > > You will get the reward when your time comes. > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > Babu > > > > > > pillai george <pillai_george> wrote: > > Once upon a time, there was a farmer in the > > central region of China. He didn't have a lot of > > money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old > > horse to plow his field. > > > > One afternoon, while working in the field, the horse > > dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, "Oh, > > what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer said > > simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so calm, > > that everyone in the village got together and, > > admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a > > gift. > > > > Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man." And > > the farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > A couple days later, the new horse jumped a fence > > and ran away. Everyone in the village shook their > > heads and said, "What a poor fellow!" > > > > The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see." > > > > Eventually, the horse found his way home, and > > everyone again said, "What a fortunate man." > > > > The farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went out > > riding on the horse and fell and broke his leg. > > Everyone in the village said, "What a shame for the > > poor boy." > > > > The farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > Two days later, the army came into the village to > > draft new recruits. When they saw that the farmer's > > son had a broken leg, they decided not to recruit > > him. > > > > Everyone said, "What a fortunate young man." > > > > The farmer smiled again - and said "We'll see." > > > > Moral of the story: There's no use in overreacting > > to the events and circumstances of our everyday > > lives. Many times what looks like a setback, may > > actually be a gift in disguise. And when our hearts > > are in the right place, all events and circumstances > > are gifts that we can learn valuable lessons from. > > > > Yours > > George Pillai > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage! > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the > > web. > > > > To from this group, send an email > > to: > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Namaste Anil, interesting words about free will..... i remind a sailing boat which advance by the power of the wind..... so wind and boat together make that the boat move.... some move faster than others.....depending the size of wind that can be catched..... so, whenever one leave the harbour.......there is a chance that there is movement.......and to get lost on a big ocean.......or to arrive on other part of the (same) world .....maybe there is only one free will existing.....to leave the harbour....or .....to get back to the harbour .....what is happening on the sea.....is not very "mysterious"..... there is a play of winds and some (own) work which is done.....thats all only few thoughts.... Regards Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Namaste Dennis, Very thoughtful email..it says all.. bow to that awareness in you.. anil , "dennis_travis33" <m742@h...> wrote: > > Namaste Anil, > > interesting words about free will..... > > i remind a sailing boat which advance by the power of the wind..... > so wind and boat together make that the boat move.... > > some move faster than others.....depending the size of wind that can > be catched..... > > so, whenever one leave the harbour.......there is a chance that there > is movement.......and to get lost on a big ocean.......or to arrive > on other part of the (same) world > > ....maybe there is only one free will existing.....to leave the > harbour....or .....to get back to the harbour > > ....what is happening on the sea.....is not very "mysterious"..... > there is a play of winds and some (own) work which is done.....thats > all > > > only few thoughts.... > > Regards > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Dear Anilji, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on free will, in scores of books I have read about reincarnation and spirituality, what I have understood and believe ( after a lot of thought) is that god has given us the free will to choose from good and bad, Free will leads to creativity, our life becomes meaningless if we do not have a free will to correct our mistakes and progress towards good or God. A major part of our life is decided by our karma and choices we made before we are born, but we also have free will to change/repent and reduce our karma and get close to god. It is very simple, true love is not forced, since gods love is true and pure he wont force us, he gives us a chance to understand and love him, it takes a lot of births for us to realise gods love. If possible please read the book "Many Lives and Many Masters" by Dr. Brain Weiss, he has researchd on reincarnation and explains the purpose of life, with live examples. It tells why the free will is very important and what choices we have to make in life to become pure. Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- anil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: > Dear Divakara Ji, > > Free will is an illusion..choices are already > made..in a broader script (before birth) or in > a finer script (in deep sleep in stral spalnes or > even in the worldly planes)..script is > dynamic and changes moment to moment..individuality > things that it is the free will > which is changing the script..while choices are > already made..illusion of free will is only > to know and gain wisdom why a choice was so > made..otherwise the whole game will > be spoilt.. > > AUM Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah AUM. > > anil > , > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> > wrote: > > > > Dear Ramanath ji, > > > > I beg to differ with you on "everything is > > pre-determined as a novel and we are puppets", > > actually only certain aspects of our life is > > pre-determined this is the blue print of our life, > > which will only define certain aspects of our life > > like choosing parents, choosing a career etc. > > > > rest is in our free will, so we have to be careful > on > > what we do because everthing is recorded and we > have > > to take responsibility for what we did with our > free > > will. > > > > Om nahah shivaya, > > Divakar. > > > > --- Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu> wrote: > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > excellent piece of story. If only people > could > > > realise that whatever is happening in their life > is > > > all pre-determined and even the God may not > > > interfere in it to change the course of life. > > > > > > The life is like a book (novel) already > written. > > > We are mere actors of the novel already written. > > > > Take the story of 'sudama' the closest friend of > > > Lord Krishna. He was so poor that days > together, > > > his family could not get anything to eat. He on > the > > > other hand, was unconcerned about all this, and > > > always throught about Lord only. Krisha too was > > > very much aware of his poor condition, yet at no > > > time he interfered till the time came when > sudama > > > decided to meet his old friend. This story is > known > > > to every one, yet people forget the basic > message. > > > > > > We are mere puppets in the hands of God. Just > go > > > on doing our Karma without thinking of its > reward. > > > You will get the reward when your time comes. > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > pillai george <pillai_george> wrote: > > > Once upon a time, there was a farmer in the > > > central region of China. He didn't have a lot of > > > money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old > > > horse to plow his field. > > > > > > One afternoon, while working in the field, the > horse > > > dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, "Oh, > > > what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer > said > > > simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so > calm, > > > that everyone in the village got together and, > > > admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a > > > gift. > > > > > > Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man." > And > > > the farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > A couple days later, the new horse jumped a > fence > > > and ran away. Everyone in the village shook > their > > > heads and said, "What a poor fellow!" > > > > > > The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see." > > > > > > Eventually, the horse found his way home, and > > > everyone again said, "What a fortunate man." > > > > > > The farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went > out > > > riding on the horse and fell and broke his leg. > > > Everyone in the village said, "What a shame for > the > > > poor boy." > > > > > > The farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > Two days later, the army came into the village > to > > > draft new recruits. When they saw that the > farmer's > > > son had a broken leg, they decided not to > recruit > > > him. > > > > > > Everyone said, "What a fortunate young man." > > > > > > The farmer smiled again - and said "We'll see." > > > > > > Moral of the story: There's no use in > overreacting > > > to the events and circumstances of our everyday > > > lives. Many times what looks like a setback, may > > > actually be a gift in disguise. And when our > hearts > > > are in the right place, all events and > circumstances > > > are gifts that we can learn valuable lessons > from. > > > > > > Yours > > > George Pillai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on > the > > > web. > > > > > > To from this group, send an > email > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now. > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand./cybergivingweek2005/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 The first and foremost important thing in meditation is that never size down one. By doing so one is insulting the Brahma within and it takes years to come out of this and to realize about oneself. According to Vedic rituals, after the meditation is completed one would do "AAtma pradakshin". Atma means soul Pradkhin means moving around. ""Atma pradakshin means moving around oneself. It means one is saluting or paying reverence to the Almighty with in. "Aham brahmsmi", which means I am the lord. This is not a saying of proud. This stage is attained when one dissociate oneself from all attachments, Anger, Jealousy, Proud, greedy, desires, and hate. Then one become part of the nature and does not fear for the death and there by becomes the Almighty. With All reverence and regards to Sh.Gorge, Anil. Divakar, Ramnath and Babu, It is very important to understand the implied meaning of any Vedic Text. It is said that the things would happen as per ones fate. Explicitly it conveys the happenings are as per "Karma' whether "Prarabhdha or Sanchayita". It has the explicit meaning or message too. Every Soul liberated from "Para Brahman" and took birth on this Holy Earth with a definite purpose. One does not get salvation or liberation (Moksha or merging back with "Paramatman") unless and until the goal is achieved. Till the Goal is accomplished the soul is taking the rebirths. What is required is to realize ones by detachment, shedding Anger, Jealous, Desires, greed, proud and Hatred. By doing this one becomes part of the nature and realise oneself. The mind and heart becomes one and the goal is clear. "Bhuddhi Karmanu sarini" This is what is meant by predetermined goal. AUM Namah Shivaya On 12/29/05, anil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: > Dear Divakara Ji, > > Free will is an illusion..choices are already made..in a broader script > (before birth) or in > a finer script (in deep sleep in stral spalnes or even in the worldly > planes)..script is > dynamic and changes moment to moment..individuality things that it is the > free will > which is changing the script..while choices are already made..illusion of > free will is only > to know and gain wisdom why a choice was so made..otherwise the whole game > will > be spoilt.. > > AUM Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah AUM. > > anil > , Divakara > Tanjore <div_tan> > wrote: > > > > Dear Ramanath ji, > > > > I beg to differ with you on "everything is > > pre-determined as a novel and we are puppets", > > actually only certain aspects of our life is > > pre-determined this is the blue print of our life, > > which will only define certain aspects of our life > > like choosing parents, choosing a career etc. > > > > rest is in our free will, so we have to be careful on > > what we do because everthing is recorded and we have > > to take responsibility for what we did with our free > > will. > > > > Om nahah shivaya, > > Divakar. > > > > --- Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu> wrote: > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > excellent piece of story. If only people could > > > realise that whatever is happening in their life is > > > all pre-determined and even the God may not > > > interfere in it to change the course of life. > > > > > > The life is like a book (novel) already written. > > > We are mere actors of the novel already written. > > > Take the story of 'sudama' the closest friend of > > > Lord Krishna. He was so poor that days together, > > > his family could not get anything to eat. He on the > > > other hand, was unconcerned about all this, and > > > always throught about Lord only. Krisha too was > > > very much aware of his poor condition, yet at no > > > time he interfered till the time came when sudama > > > decided to meet his old friend. This story is known > > > to every one, yet people forget the basic message. > > > > > > We are mere puppets in the hands of God. Just go > > > on doing our Karma without thinking of its reward. > > > You will get the reward when your time comes. > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > pillai george <pillai_george> wrote: > > > Once upon a time, there was a farmer in the > > > central region of China. He didn't have a lot of > > > money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old > > > horse to plow his field. > > > > > > One afternoon, while working in the field, the horse > > > dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, "Oh, > > > what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer said > > > simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so calm, > > > that everyone in the village got together and, > > > admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a > > > gift. > > > > > > Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man." And > > > the farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > A couple days later, the new horse jumped a fence > > > and ran away. Everyone in the village shook their > > > heads and said, "What a poor fellow!" > > > > > > The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see." > > > > > > Eventually, the horse found his way home, and > > > everyone again said, "What a fortunate man." > > > > > > The farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went out > > > riding on the horse and fell and broke his leg. > > > Everyone in the village said, "What a shame for the > > > poor boy." > > > > > > The farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > Two days later, the army came into the village to > > > draft new recruits. When they saw that the farmer's > > > son had a broken leg, they decided not to recruit > > > him. > > > > > > Everyone said, "What a fortunate young man." > > > > > > The farmer smiled again - and said "We'll see." > > > > > > Moral of the story: There's no use in overreacting > > > to the events and circumstances of our everyday > > > lives. Many times what looks like a setback, may > > > actually be a gift in disguise. And when our hearts > > > are in the right place, all events and circumstances > > > are gifts that we can learn valuable lessons from. > > > > > > Yours > > > George Pillai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Very well explained Sh. KS Rao, The higher self in us is the extension of the almighty lord, It takes us a lot of rebirths and learing to realise the higher self, In most of the mantras we say namaha and swaha like "Om namah shivaya" that means we are invoking the higher self in us to awake and guide us. In earlier yugas humans were in touch with their higher self, so they were close to heaven or divine place. in kaliyuga ego self has overshadowed the higher self in us, so we feel everything is maya and illusion. The divine world wants us to realize that we are extension of god and realize our higher self, we can do this by following truth, love and compassion, then we will not feel everything is illusion, we will feel everything is real. and we will do the real work for which we have come here. Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- KS Rao <kasturisrao wrote: > The first and foremost important thing in meditation > is that never > size down one. By doing so one is insulting the > Brahma within and it > takes years to come out of this and to realize about > oneself. > > According to Vedic rituals, after the meditation is > completed one > would do "AAtma pradakshin". Atma means soul > Pradkhin means moving > around. ""Atma pradakshin means moving around > oneself. It means one is > saluting or paying reverence to the Almighty with > in. > > "Aham brahmsmi", which means I am the lord. This is > not a saying of > proud. This stage is attained when one dissociate > oneself from all > attachments, Anger, Jealousy, Proud, greedy, > desires, and hate. Then > one become part of the nature and does not fear for > the death and > there by becomes the Almighty. > > > With All reverence and regards to Sh.Gorge, Anil. > Divakar, Ramnath and Babu, > > It is very important to understand the implied > meaning of any Vedic > Text. It is said that the things would happen as per > ones fate. > Explicitly it conveys the happenings are as per > "Karma' whether > "Prarabhdha or Sanchayita". > > It has the explicit meaning or message too. > > Every Soul liberated from "Para Brahman" and took > birth on this Holy > Earth with a definite purpose. One does not get > salvation or > liberation (Moksha or merging back with > "Paramatman") unless and until > the goal is achieved. Till the Goal is accomplished > the soul is taking > the rebirths. What is required is to realize ones by > detachment, > shedding Anger, Jealous, Desires, greed, proud and > Hatred. By doing > this one becomes part of the nature and realise > oneself. The mind and > heart becomes one and the goal is clear. "Bhuddhi > Karmanu sarini" > > This is what is meant by predetermined goal. > > > > AUM Namah Shivaya > > > On 12/29/05, anil_bindal2000 > <no_reply> wrote: > > Dear Divakara Ji, > > > > Free will is an illusion..choices are already > made..in a broader script > > (before birth) or in > > a finer script (in deep sleep in stral spalnes or > even in the worldly > > planes)..script is > > dynamic and changes moment to > moment..individuality things that it is the > > free will > > which is changing the script..while choices are > already made..illusion of > > free will is only > > to know and gain wisdom why a choice was so > made..otherwise the whole game > > will > > be spoilt.. > > > > AUM Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah AUM. > > > > anil > > , > Divakara > > Tanjore <div_tan> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramanath ji, > > > > > > I beg to differ with you on "everything is > > > pre-determined as a novel and we are puppets", > > > actually only certain aspects of our life is > > > pre-determined this is the blue print of our > life, > > > which will only define certain aspects of our > life > > > like choosing parents, choosing a career etc. > > > > > > rest is in our free will, so we have to be > careful on > > > what we do because everthing is recorded and we > have > > > to take responsibility for what we did with our > free > > > will. > > > > > > Om nahah shivaya, > > > Divakar. > > > > > > --- Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu> wrote: > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > excellent piece of story. If only people > could > > > > realise that whatever is happening in their > life is > > > > all pre-determined and even the God may not > > > > interfere in it to change the course of life. > > > > > > > > The life is like a book (novel) already > written. > > > > We are mere actors of the novel already > written. > > > > Take the story of 'sudama' the closest friend > of > > > > Lord Krishna. He was so poor that days > together, > > > > his family could not get anything to eat. He > on the > > > > other hand, was unconcerned about all this, > and > > > > always throught about Lord only. Krisha too > was > > > > very much aware of his poor condition, yet at > no > > > > time he interfered till the time came when > sudama > > > > decided to meet his old friend. This story is > known > > > > to every one, yet people forget the basic > message. > > > > > > > > We are mere puppets in the hands of God. > Just go > > > > on doing our Karma without thinking of its > reward. > > > > You will get the reward when your time comes. > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > pillai george <pillai_george> wrote: > > > > Once upon a time, there was a farmer in > the > > > > central region of China. He didn't have a lot > of > > > > money and, instead of a tractor, he used an > old > > > > horse to plow his field. > > > > > > > > One afternoon, while working in the field, the > horse > > > > dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, > "Oh, > > > > what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer > said > > > > simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so > calm, > > > > that everyone in the village got together and, > > > > admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as > a > > > > gift. > > > > > > > > Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky > man." And > > > > the farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > > > A couple days later, the new horse jumped a > fence > > > > and ran away. Everyone in the village shook > their > > > > heads and said, "What a poor fellow!" > > > > > > > > The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see." > > > > > > > > Eventually, the horse found his way home, and > > > > everyone again said, "What a fortunate man." > > > > > > > > The farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > > > Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went > out > === message truncated === ________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 All: Namaste! Free will is an illusion..choices are already > > made..in a broader script Please allow me to add a few, If one has no karma, one has no body. Your karma is your deha. To get rid of all your karma is to get rid of your physical-body/deha. However to get rid of your body is to attain another physical body in the next kaala/time cycle. When one looks at one person, always remember that that person has karma. Acceptance, in a sense is something beyond karma. Be comfortable with your karma, but keep preparing to move on to better karma. Your horoscope is nothing but a map of your astral chakra system revealing where the karma is stored, its nature, force, duration and activation time. Although one takes janma with a given number of breaths, one has free will and can considerably slow the breathing pattern down, extending one's life span. The more emotional one becomes, the shorter is one's breath. On the contrary, the more meditative and reflective one becomes, the longer the duration of the breath. The Koorma Avatara of Lord Narayana as it settles to stabilize the meru danda at the bottom of ksheera saagara during saagar manthana reflects the potential power that can be used to tame Kaala. Is it not? More Later, With Best Wishes, SVC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 he will also die of 'worrries' borne out of his love for children. If the blind old muni's curse is to come true, Dashratha should have children. But after marriage, he did not get children initially. The birth of Rama, Lakshmana and others were all predetermined much much before- perhaps even before Dashratha was borne. Like this, when Rama killed Bali, he said that in 'Thretayuga', he will again come to this earth and it will be the turn of Bali to kill Him. That did happen in the case of Krishna. Likewise, when Ravana abducted Sita, he was fully aware of the consequences, He knew it very well that Lord Ram was none other than Narayana himself. Ravana was advised by all his well wishers to shed his ego and surrender before Rama. EVen after knowing who the Ram was, Ravana was not ready to apologise. It is because he knew it very well that his end is at the hands of Lord Rama only, and he could attain 'moksha' by that, and thus get back his old duty, as gate keeper at Lord Vishnu's abode. What I belive is that even though it may seem that we are doing many things at our free will, in effect, it is not so. Whatever we are doing is at the Will of God. Then a question may arise, as to why we should worship the God and lead a virtuous life, if eveything is already decided. Even after learning the above truth, if somebody asks this question, it can well be assumed that he is perhaps destined to think so and conseuqential effects in life. I mean, perhaps that is what is written in his life, and so he is thinking in that direction. With regards to all, Babu anil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: 2px solid">Dear Divakara Ji,Free will is an illusion..choices are already made..in a broader script (before birth) or in a finer script (in deep sleep in stral spalnes or even in the worldly planes)..script is dynamic and changes moment to moment..individuality things that it is the free will which is changing the script..while choices are already made..illusion of free will is only to know and gain wisdom why a choice was so made..otherwise the whole game will be spoilt..AUM Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah AUM.anil--- In , Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> wrote:>> Dear Ramanath ji,> > I beg to differ with you on "everything is> pre-determined as a novel and we are puppets",> actually only certain aspects of our life is> pre-determined this is the blue print of our life,> which will only define certain aspects of our life> like choosing parents, choosing a career etc.> > rest is in our free will, so we have to be careful on> what we do because everthing is recorded and we have> to take responsibility for what we did with our free> will.> > Om nahah shivaya,> Divakar.> > --- Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu> wrote:> > > Sir,> > > > excellent piece of story. If only people could> > realise that whatever is happening in their life is> > all pre-determined and even the God may not> > interfere in it to change the course of life. > > > > The life is like a book (novel) already written. > > We are mere actors of the novel already written. > > Take the story of 'sudama' the closest friend of> > Lord Krishna. He was so poor that days together,> > his family could not get anything to eat. He on the> > other hand, was unconcerned about all this, and> > always throught about Lord only. Krisha too was> > very much aware of his poor condition, yet at no> > time he interfered till the time came when sudama> > decided to meet his old friend. This story is known> > to every one, yet people forget the basic message.> > > > We are mere puppets in the hands of God. Just go> > on doing our Karma without thinking of its reward. > > You will get the reward when your time comes.> > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > Babu> > > > > > pillai george <pillai_george> wrote:> > Once upon a time, there was a farmer in the> > central region of China. He didn't have a lot of> > money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old> > horse to plow his field. > > > > One afternoon, while working in the field, the horse> > dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, "Oh,> > what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer said> > simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so calm,> > that everyone in the village got together and,> > admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a> > gift. > > > > Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man." And> > the farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > A couple days later, the new horse jumped a fence> > and ran away. Everyone in the village shook their> > heads and said, "What a poor fellow!"> > > > The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see."> > > > Eventually, the horse found his way home, and> > everyone again said, "What a fortunate man." > > > > The farmer said, "We'll see."> > > > Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went out> > riding on the horse and fell and broke his leg.> > Everyone in the village said, "What a shame for the> > poor boy."> > > > The farmer said, "We'll see."> > > > Two days later, the army came into the village to> > draft new recruits. When they saw that the farmer's> > son had a broken leg, they decided not to recruit> > him.> > > > Everyone said, "What a fortunate young man."> > > > The farmer smiled again - and said "We'll see."> > > > Moral of the story: There's no use in overreacting> > to the events and circumstances of our everyday> > lives. Many times what looks like a setback, may> > actually be a gift in disguise. And when our hearts> > are in the right place, all events and circumstances> > are gifts that we can learn valuable lessons from.> > > > Yours> > George Pillai > > > > > > > > Do you ?> > New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage! > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the> > web.> > > > To from this group, send an email> > to:> > > > > > Your use of is subject to the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now.> > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Absolutely right, great wsidom. Thanks for sharing. Om namah shivaya, Divakar. --- svc_astro <no_reply> wrote: > All: > > Namaste! > > Free will is an illusion..choices are already > > > made..in a broader script > > Please allow me to add a few, > > If one has no karma, one has no body. Your karma is > your deha. To get > rid of all your karma is to get rid of your > physical-body/deha. > However to get rid of your body is to attain another > physical body in > the next kaala/time cycle. When one looks at one > person, always > remember that that person has karma. Acceptance, in > a sense is > something beyond karma. Be comfortable with your > karma, but keep > preparing to move on to better karma. Your horoscope > is nothing but a > map of your astral chakra system revealing where the > karma is stored, > its nature, force, duration and activation time. > > Although one takes janma with a given number of > breaths, one has free > will and can considerably slow the breathing pattern > down, extending > one's life span. The more emotional one becomes, the > shorter is one's > breath. On the contrary, the more meditative and > reflective one > becomes, the longer the duration of the breath. > > The Koorma Avatara of Lord Narayana as it settles to > stabilize the > meru danda at the bottom of ksheera saagara during > saagar manthana > reflects the potential power that can be used to > tame Kaala. Is it > not? > > More Later, > > With Best Wishes, > > SVC > > > > > for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand./cybergivingweek2005/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 differ from me when I say that everything on this earth is pre-determined. I however, firmly believe so. Take the story of Ramayana, Mahabharata or any other epic. In the case of Ramayana, it is said that Raja Dashrath initially had no children even though he had three wives. Then on the adivice of his Guru, he decided to do a yaga, 'Putrakameshti' in order to get children. After this Yaga all the three wives became pregnant. For a moment, we may think that it is the decisive 'Act' of Dashratha to go in for the 'Puthrakamesti' yaga that resulted in his begetting his sons. As a matter of fact, whatever Dashratha did was just what was written in his life. When he was young, he went to forest and inadvertently killed the son of a young blind couples, who cursed Dashratha that he will also die of 'worrries' borne out of his love for children. If the blind old muni's curse is to come true, Dashratha should have children. But after marriage, he did not get children initially. The birth of Rama, Lakshmana and others were all predetermined much much before- perhaps even before Dashratha was borne. Like this, when Rama killed Bali, he said that in 'Thretayuga', he will again come to this earth and it will be the turn of Bali to kill Him. That did happen in the case of Krishna. Likewise, when Ravana abducted Sita, he was fully aware of the consequences, He knew it very well that Lord Ram was none other than Narayana himself. Ravana was advised by all his well wishers to shed his ego and surrender before Rama. EVen after knowing who the Ram was, Ravana was not ready to apologise. It is because he knew it very well that his end is at the hands of Lord Rama only, and he could attain 'moksha' by that, and thus get back his old duty, as gate keeper at Lord Vishnu's abode. What I belive is that even though it may seem that we are doing many things at our free will, in effect, it is not so. Whatever we are doing is at the Will of God. Then a question may arise, as to why we should worship the God and lead a virtuous life, if eveything is already decided. Even after learning the above truth, if somebody asks this question, it can well be assumed that he is perhaps destined to think so and conseuqential effects in life. I mean, perhaps that is what is written in his life, and so he is thinking in that direction. With regards to all, Babu anil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: Dear Divakara Ji,Free will is an illusion..choices are already made..in a broader script (before birth) or in a finer script (in deep sleep in stral spalnes or even in the worldly planes)..script is dynamic and changes moment to moment..individuality things that it is the free will which is changing the script..while choices are already made..illusion of free will is only to know and gain wisdom why a choice was so made..otherwise the whole game will be spoilt..AUM Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah AUM.anil, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> wrote:>> Dear Ramanath ji,> > I beg to differ with you on "everything is> pre-determined as a novel and we are puppets",> actually only certain aspects of our life is> pre-determined this is the blue print of our life,> which will only define certain aspects of our life> like choosing parents, choosing a career etc.> > rest is in our free will, so we have to be careful on> what we do because everthing is recorded and we have> to take responsibility for what we did with our free> will.> > Om nahah shivaya,> Divakar.> > --- Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu> wrote:> > > Sir,> > > > excellent piece of story. If only people could> > realise that whatever is happening in their life is> > all pre-determined and even the God may not> > interfere in it to change the course of life. > > > > The life is like a book (novel) already written. > > We are mere actors of the novel already written. > > Take the story of 'sudama' the closest friend of> > Lord Krishna. He was so poor that days together,> > his family could not get anything to eat. He on the> > other hand, was unconcerned about all this, and> > always throught about Lord only. Krisha too was> > very much aware of his poor condition, yet at no> > time he interfered till the time came when sudama> > decided to meet his old friend. This story is known> > to every one, yet people forget the basic message.> > > > We are mere puppets in the hands of God. Just go> > on doing our Karma without thinking of its reward. > > You will get the reward when your time comes.> > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > Babu> > > > > > pillai george <pillai_george> wrote:> > Once upon a time, there was a farmer in the> > central region of China. He didn't have a lot of> > money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old> > horse to plow his field. > > > > One afternoon, while working in the field, the horse> > dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, "Oh,> > what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer said> > simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so calm,> > that everyone in the village got together and,> > admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a> > gift. > > > > Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man." And> > the farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > A couple days later, the new horse jumped a fence> > and ran away. Everyone in the village shook their> > heads and said, "What a poor fellow!"> > > > The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see."> > > > Eventually, the horse found his way home, and> > everyone again said, "What a fortunate man." > > > > The farmer said, "We'll see."> > > > Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went out> > riding on the horse and fell and broke his leg.> > Everyone in the village said, "What a shame for the> > poor boy."> > > > The farmer said, "We'll see."> > > > Two days later, the army came into the village to> > draft new recruits. When they saw that the farmer's> > son had a broken leg, they decided not to recruit> > him.> > > > Everyone said, "What a fortunate young man."> > > > The farmer smiled again - and said "We'll see."> > > > Moral of the story: There's no use in overreacting> > to the events and circumstances of our everyday> > lives. Many times what looks like a setback, may> > actually be a gift in disguise. And when our hearts> > are in the right place, all events and circumstances> > are gifts that we can learn valuable lessons from.> > > > Yours> > George Pillai > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage! > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the> > web.> > > > To from this group, send an email> > to:> > > > > > Your use of is subject to the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner now.> > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger. Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Thank you Trivedi ji for your nice explanation, if you have time can you please explain the different types of Krama so that it will give us a deeper understanding. Regds, Divakar. --- dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote: > Dear Ramnath Babu, > > Let me express a different view in this regard. > God has given us free will to know what is good and > bad and the theory of Karma says that you either > enjoy or suffer according to the Karmas done in the > past lives. The example given by you regarding King > Dashrath and Ravana are exactly the result of the > Karma. > However one more Karma is the Agami Karma which is > what we choose to do in this life for our Moksha > which is where free will comes. > > D D Trivedi > www.astrologertrivedi.com > > > > Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu wrote: > Dear Divakara ji/Anil ji, > > I agree with Anilji that free will is just an > illusion. Many of you may differ from me when I say > that everything on this earth is pre-determined. I > however, firmly believe so. > > Take the story of Ramayana, Mahabharata or any > other epic. In the case of Ramayana, it is said > that Raja Dashrath initially had no children even > though he had three wives. Then on the adivice of > his Guru, he decided to do a yaga, 'Putrakameshti' > in order to get children. After this Yaga all the > three wives became pregnant. For a moment, we may > think that it is the decisive 'Act' of Dashratha to > go in for the 'Puthrakamesti' yaga that resulted in > his begetting his sons. As a matter of fact, > whatever Dashratha did was just what was written in > his life. When he was young, he went to forest and > inadvertently killed the son of a young blind > couples, who cursed Dashratha that he will also die > of 'worrries' borne out of his love for children. > If the blind old muni's curse is to come true, > Dashratha should have children. But after marriage, > he did not get children initially. The birth of > Rama, Lakshmana and others were all predetermined > much much before- perhaps even before > Dashratha was borne. Like this, when Rama killed > Bali, he said that in 'Thretayuga', he will again > come to this earth and it will be the turn of Bali > to kill Him. That did happen in the case of > Krishna. > > Likewise, when Ravana abducted Sita, he was fully > aware of the consequences, He knew it very well > that Lord Ram was none other than Narayana himself. > Ravana was advised by all his well wishers to shed > his ego and surrender before Rama. EVen after > knowing who the Ram was, Ravana was not ready to > apologise. It is because he knew it very well that > his end is at the hands of Lord Rama only, and he > could attain 'moksha' by that, and thus get back his > old duty, as gate keeper at Lord Vishnu's abode. > > What I belive is that even though it may seem that > we are doing many things at our free will, in > effect, it is not so. Whatever we are doing is at > the Will of God. > > Then a question may arise, as to why we should > worship the God and lead a virtuous life, if > eveything is already decided. Even after learning > the above truth, if somebody asks this question, it > can well be assumed that he is perhaps destined to > think so and conseuqential effects in life. I mean, > perhaps that is what is written in his life, and so > he is thinking in that direction. > > With regards to all, > > Babu > > > anil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: > Dear Divakara Ji, > > Free will is an illusion..choices are already > made..in a broader script (before birth) or in > a finer script (in deep sleep in stral spalnes or > even in the worldly planes)..script is > dynamic and changes moment to moment..individuality > things that it is the free will > which is changing the script..while choices are > already made..illusion of free will is only > to know and gain wisdom why a choice was so > made..otherwise the whole game will > be spoilt.. > > AUM Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah AUM. > > anil > , > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> > wrote: > > > > Dear Ramanath ji, > > > > I beg to differ with you on "everything is > > pre-determined as a novel and we are puppets", > > actually only certain aspects of our life is > > pre-determined this is the blue print of our life, > > which will only define certain aspects of our life > > like choosing parents, choosing a career etc. > > > > rest is in our free will, so we have to be careful > on > > what we do because everthing is recorded and we > have > > to take responsibility for what we did with our > free > > will. > > > > Om nahah shivaya, > > Divakar. > > > > --- Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu> wrote: > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > excellent piece of story. If only people > could > > > realise that whatever is happening in their life > is > > > all pre-determined and even the God may not > > > interfere in it to change the course of life. > > > > > > The life is like a book (novel) already > written. > > > We are mere actors of the novel already written. > > > > Take the story of 'sudama' the closest friend of > > > Lord Krishna. He was so poor that days > together, > > > his family could not get anything to eat. He on > the > > > other hand, was unconcerned about all this, and > > > always throught about Lord only. Krisha too was > > > very much aware of his poor condition, yet at no > > > time he interfered till the time came when > sudama > > > decided to meet his old friend. This story is > known > > > to every one, yet people forget the basic > message. > > > > > > We are mere puppets in the hands of God. Just > go > > > on doing our Karma without thinking of its > reward. > > > You will get the reward when your time comes. > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > pillai george <pillai_george> wrote: > > > Once upon a time, there was a farmer in the > > > central region of China. He didn't have a lot of > > > money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old > > > horse to plow his field. > > > > > > One afternoon, while working in the field, the > horse > > > dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, "Oh, > > > what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer > said > > > simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so > calm, > > > that everyone in the village got together and, > > > admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a > > > gift. > > > > > > Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man." > And > > > the farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > A couple days later, the new horse jumped a > fence > > > and ran away. Everyone in the village shook > their > > > heads and said, "What a poor fellow!" > > > > > > The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see." > > > > > > Eventually, the horse found his way home, and > > > everyone again said, "What a fortunate man." > > > > > > The farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went > out > === message truncated === ________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Dear Trivedi/Ramnath/Anil: Namaste! Please allow me to add a few, Rather than spending one's whole life trying to accumulate enough good karma to neutralize the past bad karma, we must learn to pull the energy out from the karma mechanism, and thus be liberated. It is like this, take some seeds and divide them into 2 piles. Put one pile on a warm rock for a short time. And let the other pile naturally grow. You would find that the seeds that were not heated grew very well. is it not? The seeds that were heated for a very short time would not grow. In other words the heat will kill the seeds of karma planted in the sookshma. So now here is the question. Where to generate this heat from? From where can this flame be ignited that will kill the karmic seeds and burn away the karma? Is not "tapas" the answer? Always remember that it is Sani which rules breath and being the slowest moving gives us the definite advantage in burning away all our karma. IN fact the number which comes out is 144. yes, the teeth of the cat that kills the rat are the same teeth that is used to pick up the kitten. In other words the planet that confines us can be used to escape from confinement. When the 1/2 coil unlocks out of the 3 1/2 coils tied at the brahma grantha for the first time the mata/kaameshwari experiences and expresses the desire to be in unison with kaameshvara lying at the dvadasanta. This expression is easily felt in kanya rasi through the jyotir linga of mallikarjunaya. More Later, With Best Wishes, SVC , dushyant trivedi <trivedi20> wrote: > > Dear Ramnath Babu, > > Let me express a different view in this regard. God has given us free will to know what is good and bad and the theory of Karma says that you either enjoy or suffer according to the Karmas done in the past lives. The example given by you regarding King Dashrath and Ravana are exactly the result of the Karma. > However one more Karma is the Agami Karma which is what we choose to do in this life for our Moksha which is where free will comes. > > D D Trivedi > www.astrologertrivedi.com > > > > Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu> wrote: > Dear Divakara ji/Anil ji, > > I agree with Anilji that free will is just an illusion. Many of you may differ from me when I say that everything on this earth is pre-determined. I however, firmly believe so. > > Take the story of Ramayana, Mahabharata or any other epic. In the case of Ramayana, it is said that Raja Dashrath initially had no children even though he had three wives. Then on the adivice of his Guru, he decided to do a yaga, 'Putrakameshti' in order to get children. After this Yaga all the three wives became pregnant. For a moment, we may think that it is the decisive 'Act' of Dashratha to go in for the 'Puthrakamesti' yaga that resulted in his begetting his sons. As a matter of fact, whatever Dashratha did was just what was written in his life. When he was young, he went to forest and inadvertently killed the son of a young blind couples, who cursed Dashratha that he will also die of 'worrries' borne out of his love for children. If the blind old muni's curse is to come true, Dashratha should have children. But after marriage, he did not get children initially. The birth of Rama, Lakshmana and others were all predetermined much much before- perhaps even before > Dashratha was borne. Like this, when Rama killed Bali, he said that in 'Thretayuga', he will again come to this earth and it will be the turn of Bali to kill Him. That did happen in the case of Krishna. > > Likewise, when Ravana abducted Sita, he was fully aware of the consequences, He knew it very well that Lord Ram was none other than Narayana himself. Ravana was advised by all his well wishers to shed his ego and surrender before Rama. EVen after knowing who the Ram was, Ravana was not ready to apologise. It is because he knew it very well that his end is at the hands of Lord Rama only, and he could attain 'moksha' by that, and thus get back his old duty, as gate keeper at Lord Vishnu's abode. > > What I belive is that even though it may seem that we are doing many things at our free will, in effect, it is not so. Whatever we are doing is at the Will of God. > > Then a question may arise, as to why we should worship the God and lead a virtuous life, if eveything is already decided. Even after learning the above truth, if somebody asks this question, it can well be assumed that he is perhaps destined to think so and conseuqential effects in life. I mean, perhaps that is what is written in his life, and so he is thinking in that direction. > > With regards to all, > > Babu > > > anil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: > Dear Divakara Ji, > > Free will is an illusion..choices are already made..in a broader script (before birth) or in > a finer script (in deep sleep in stral spalnes or even in the worldly planes)..script is > dynamic and changes moment to moment..individuality things that it is the free will > which is changing the script..while choices are already made..illusion of free will is only > to know and gain wisdom why a choice was so made..otherwise the whole game will > be spoilt.. > > AUM Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah AUM. > > anil > , Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> > wrote: > > > > Dear Ramanath ji, > > > > I beg to differ with you on "everything is > > pre-determined as a novel and we are puppets", > > actually only certain aspects of our life is > > pre-determined this is the blue print of our life, > > which will only define certain aspects of our life > > like choosing parents, choosing a career etc. > > > > rest is in our free will, so we have to be careful on > > what we do because everthing is recorded and we have > > to take responsibility for what we did with our free > > will. > > > > Om nahah shivaya, > > Divakar. > > > > --- Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu> wrote: > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > excellent piece of story. If only people could > > > realise that whatever is happening in their life is > > > all pre-determined and even the God may not > > > interfere in it to change the course of life. > > > > > > The life is like a book (novel) already written. > > > We are mere actors of the novel already written. > > > Take the story of 'sudama' the closest friend of > > > Lord Krishna. He was so poor that days together, > > > his family could not get anything to eat. He on the > > > other hand, was unconcerned about all this, and > > > always throught about Lord only. Krisha too was > > > very much aware of his poor condition, yet at no > > > time he interfered till the time came when sudama > > > decided to meet his old friend. This story is known > > > to every one, yet people forget the basic message. > > > > > > We are mere puppets in the hands of God. Just go > > > on doing our Karma without thinking of its reward. > > > You will get the reward when your time comes. > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > pillai george <pillai_george> wrote: > > > Once upon a time, there was a farmer in the > > > central region of China. He didn't have a lot of > > > money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old > > > horse to plow his field. > > > > > > One afternoon, while working in the field, the horse > > > dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, "Oh, > > > what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer said > > > simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so calm, > > > that everyone in the village got together and, > > > admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a > > > gift. > > > > > > Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man." And > > > the farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > A couple days later, the new horse jumped a fence > > > and ran away. Everyone in the village shook their > > > heads and said, "What a poor fellow!" > > > > > > The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see." > > > > > > Eventually, the horse found his way home, and > > > everyone again said, "What a fortunate man." > > > > > > The farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went out > > > riding on the horse and fell and broke his leg. > > > Everyone in the village said, "What a shame for the > > > poor boy." > > > > > > The farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > Two days later, the army came into the village to > > > draft new recruits. When they saw that the farmer's > > > son had a broken leg, they decided not to recruit > > > him. > > > > > > Everyone said, "What a fortunate young man." > > > > > > The farmer smiled again - and said "We'll see." > > > > > > Moral of the story: There's no use in overreacting > > > to the events and circumstances of our everyday > > > lives. 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Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 in this regard.> God has given us free will to know what is good and> bad and the theory of Karma says that you either> enjoy or suffer according to the Karmas done in the> past lives. The example given by you regarding King> Dashrath and Ravana are exactly the result of the> Karma. > However one more Karma is the Agami Karma which is> what we choose to do in this life for our Moksha> which is where free will comes. > > D D Trivedi> www.astrologertrivedi.com> > > > Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> Dear Divakara ji/Anil ji,> > I agree with Anilji that free will is just an> illusion. Many of you may differ from me when I say> that everything on this earth is pre-determined. I> however, firmly believe so.> > Take the story of Ramayana, Mahabharata or any> other epic. In the case of Ramayana, it is said> that Raja Dashrath initially had no children even> though he had three wives. Then on the adivice of> his Guru, he decided to do a yaga, 'Putrakameshti'> in order to get children. After this Yaga all the> three wives became pregnant. For a moment, we may> think that it is the decisive 'Act' of Dashratha to> go in for the 'Puthrakamesti' yaga that resulted in> his begetting his sons. As a matter of fact,> whatever Dashratha did was just what was written in> his life. When he was young, he went to forest and> inadvertently killed the son of a young blind> couples, who cursed Dashratha that he will also die> of 'worrries' borne out of his love for children. > If the blind old muni's curse is to come true,> Dashratha should have children. But after marriage,> he did not get children initially. The birth of> Rama, Lakshmana and others were all predetermined> much much before- perhaps even before> Dashratha was borne. Like this, when Rama killed> Bali, he said that in 'Thretayuga', he will again> come to this earth and it will be the turn of Bali> to kill Him. That did happen in the case of> Krishna. > > Likewise, when Ravana abducted Sita, he was fully> aware of the consequences, He knew it very well> that Lord Ram was none other than Narayana himself.> Ravana was advised by all his well wishers to shed> his ego and surrender before Rama. EVen after> knowing who the Ram was, Ravana was not ready to> apologise. It is because he knew it very well that> his end is at the hands of Lord Rama only, and he> could attain 'moksha' by that, and thus get back his> old duty, as gate keeper at Lord Vishnu's abode. > > What I belive is that even though it may seem that> we are doing many things at our free will, in> effect, it is not so. Whatever we are doing is at> the Will of God.> > Then a question may arise, as to why we should> worship the God and lead a virtuous life, if> eveything is already decided. Even after learning> the above truth, if somebody asks this question, it> can well be assumed that he is perhaps destined to> think so and conseuqential effects in life. I mean,> perhaps that is what is written in his life, and so> he is thinking in that direction.> > With regards to all,> > Babu> > > anil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote:> Dear Divakara Ji,> > Free will is an illusion..choices are already> made..in a broader script (before birth) or in > a finer script (in deep sleep in stral spalnes or> even in the worldly planes)..script is > dynamic and changes moment to moment..individuality> things that it is the free will > which is changing the script..while choices are> already made..illusion of free will is only > to know and gain wisdom why a choice was so> made..otherwise the whole game will > be spoilt..> > AUM Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah AUM.> > anil> --- In ,> Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramanath ji,> > > > I beg to differ with you on "everything is> > pre-determined as a novel and we are puppets",> > actually only certain aspects of our life is> > pre-determined this is the blue print of our life,> > which will only define certain aspects of our life> > like choosing parents, choosing a career etc.> > > > rest is in our free will, so we have to be careful> on> > what we do because everthing is recorded and we> have> > to take responsibility for what we did with our> free> > will.> > > > Om nahah shivaya,> > Divakar.> > > > --- Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu> wrote:> > > > > Sir,> > > > > > excellent piece of story. If only people> could> > > realise that whatever is happening in their life> is> > > all pre-determined and even the God may not> > > interfere in it to change the course of life. > > > > > > The life is like a book (novel) already> written. > > > We are mere actors of the novel already written.> > > > Take the story of 'sudama' the closest friend of> > > Lord Krishna. He was so poor that days> together,> > > his family could not get anything to eat. He on> the> > > other hand, was unconcerned about all this, and> > > always throught about Lord only. Krisha too was> > > very much aware of his poor condition, yet at no> > > time he interfered till the time came when> sudama> > > decided to meet his old friend. This story is> known> > > to every one, yet people forget the basic> message.> > > > > > We are mere puppets in the hands of God. Just> go> > > on doing our Karma without thinking of its> reward. > > > You will get the reward when your time comes.> > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > Babu> > > > > > > > > pillai george <pillai_george> wrote:> > > Once upon a time, there was a farmer in the> > > central region of China. He didn't have a lot of> > > money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old> > > horse to plow his field. > > > > > > One afternoon, while working in the field, the> horse> > > dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, "Oh,> > > what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer> said> > > simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so> calm,> > > that everyone in the village got together and,> > > admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a> > > gift. > > > > > > Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man."> And> > > the farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > A couple days later, the new horse jumped a> fence> > > and ran away. Everyone in the village shook> their> > > heads and said, "What a poor fellow!"> > > > > > The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see."> > > > > > Eventually, the horse found his way home, and> > > everyone again said, "What a fortunate man." > > > > > > The farmer said, "We'll see."> > > > > > Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went> out> === message truncated === ________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Sir, With due respect, can i ask a question...to whom the theory of Karma applies ? The one who is awake or the one who sleeps or the one who dreams ? till we try to find the root answers..as to who is the seeker.. all theories and beliefs will continue to play the game.. We need to understand that tools are tools..be it astrology, be it religion, beliefs and bla bla bla.. Duality can never understand the Non-duality..for as soon as non-duality is observed, it becomes trinity.. like AUM sound can at the most reach the wall or the periphery of the Absolute.. so let us not be an observer even..i mean no seeking..just be as we are..nomind game.. how to achieve that state of no-mind..here is a simple experiment choose any word..say AUM..chant it and count it for 40 times..at the end..ask yourself if your mind wandered or remain fixed on chanting and counting 40 times ( no more no less - exactly 40 )..the one who answers is the consciousness...it is not even an observer..it just IS.. Saab Gorakh ki Maya ji.. anil , dushyant trivedi <trivedi20> wrote: > > Dear Divakar, > > The theory of Karma has been put up on my website www.astrologertrivedi.com > > Please go through it and if there are any questions please do not hesitate to ask in this forum or my e-mail i.d. is trivedi20 > > D D Trivedi > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> wrote: > Thank you Trivedi ji for your nice explanation, if you > have time > can you please explain the different types of Krama so > that it will give us a deeper understanding. > > Regds, > Divakar. > > --- dushyant trivedi <trivedi20> wrote: > > > Dear Ramnath Babu, > > > > Let me express a different view in this regard. > > God has given us free will to know what is good and > > bad and the theory of Karma says that you either > > enjoy or suffer according to the Karmas done in the > > past lives. The example given by you regarding King > > Dashrath and Ravana are exactly the result of the > > Karma. > > However one more Karma is the Agami Karma which is > > what we choose to do in this life for our Moksha > > which is where free will comes. > > > > D D Trivedi > > www.astrologertrivedi.com > > > > > > > > Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu> wrote: > > Dear Divakara ji/Anil ji, > > > > I agree with Anilji that free will is just an > > illusion. Many of you may differ from me when I say > > that everything on this earth is pre-determined. I > > however, firmly believe so. > > > > Take the story of Ramayana, Mahabharata or any > > other epic. In the case of Ramayana, it is said > > that Raja Dashrath initially had no children even > > though he had three wives. Then on the adivice of > > his Guru, he decided to do a yaga, 'Putrakameshti' > > in order to get children. After this Yaga all the > > three wives became pregnant. For a moment, we may > > think that it is the decisive 'Act' of Dashratha to > > go in for the 'Puthrakamesti' yaga that resulted in > > his begetting his sons. As a matter of fact, > > whatever Dashratha did was just what was written in > > his life. When he was young, he went to forest and > > inadvertently killed the son of a young blind > > couples, who cursed Dashratha that he will also die > > of 'worrries' borne out of his love for children. > > If the blind old muni's curse is to come true, > > Dashratha should have children. But after marriage, > > he did not get children initially. The birth of > > Rama, Lakshmana and others were all predetermined > > much much before- perhaps even before > > Dashratha was borne. Like this, when Rama killed > > Bali, he said that in 'Thretayuga', he will again > > come to this earth and it will be the turn of Bali > > to kill Him. That did happen in the case of > > Krishna. > > > > Likewise, when Ravana abducted Sita, he was fully > > aware of the consequences, He knew it very well > > that Lord Ram was none other than Narayana himself. > > Ravana was advised by all his well wishers to shed > > his ego and surrender before Rama. EVen after > > knowing who the Ram was, Ravana was not ready to > > apologise. It is because he knew it very well that > > his end is at the hands of Lord Rama only, and he > > could attain 'moksha' by that, and thus get back his > > old duty, as gate keeper at Lord Vishnu's abode. > > > > What I belive is that even though it may seem that > > we are doing many things at our free will, in > > effect, it is not so. Whatever we are doing is at > > the Will of God. > > > > Then a question may arise, as to why we should > > worship the God and lead a virtuous life, if > > eveything is already decided. Even after learning > > the above truth, if somebody asks this question, it > > can well be assumed that he is perhaps destined to > > think so and conseuqential effects in life. I mean, > > perhaps that is what is written in his life, and so > > he is thinking in that direction. > > > > With regards to all, > > > > Babu > > > > > > anil_bindal2000 <no_reply> wrote: > > Dear Divakara Ji, > > > > Free will is an illusion..choices are already > > made..in a broader script (before birth) or in > > a finer script (in deep sleep in stral spalnes or > > even in the worldly planes)..script is > > dynamic and changes moment to moment..individuality > > things that it is the free will > > which is changing the script..while choices are > > already made..illusion of free will is only > > to know and gain wisdom why a choice was so > > made..otherwise the whole game will > > be spoilt.. > > > > AUM Namah Shivaya Shivaya Namah AUM. > > > > anil > > , > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramanath ji, > > > > > > I beg to differ with you on "everything is > > > pre-determined as a novel and we are puppets", > > > actually only certain aspects of our life is > > > pre-determined this is the blue print of our life, > > > which will only define certain aspects of our life > > > like choosing parents, choosing a career etc. > > > > > > rest is in our free will, so we have to be careful > > on > > > what we do because everthing is recorded and we > > have > > > to take responsibility for what we did with our > > free > > > will. > > > > > > Om nahah shivaya, > > > Divakar. > > > > > > --- Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu> wrote: > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > excellent piece of story. If only people > > could > > > > realise that whatever is happening in their life > > is > > > > all pre-determined and even the God may not > > > > interfere in it to change the course of life. > > > > > > > > The life is like a book (novel) already > > written. > > > > We are mere actors of the novel already written. > > > > > > Take the story of 'sudama' the closest friend of > > > > Lord Krishna. He was so poor that days > > together, > > > > his family could not get anything to eat. He on > > the > > > > other hand, was unconcerned about all this, and > > > > always throught about Lord only. Krisha too was > > > > very much aware of his poor condition, yet at no > > > > time he interfered till the time came when > > sudama > > > > decided to meet his old friend. This story is > > known > > > > to every one, yet people forget the basic > > message. > > > > > > > > We are mere puppets in the hands of God. Just > > go > > > > on doing our Karma without thinking of its > > reward. > > > > You will get the reward when your time comes. > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > pillai george <pillai_george> wrote: > > > > Once upon a time, there was a farmer in the > > > > central region of China. He didn't have a lot of > > > > money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old > > > > horse to plow his field. > > > > > > > > One afternoon, while working in the field, the > > horse > > > > dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, "Oh, > > > > what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer > > said > > > > simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so > > calm, > > > > that everyone in the village got together and, > > > > admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a > > > > gift. > > > > > > > > Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man." > > And > > > > the farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > > > A couple days later, the new horse jumped a > > fence > > > > and ran away. Everyone in the village shook > > their > > > > heads and said, "What a poor fellow!" > > > > > > > > The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see." > > > > > > > > Eventually, the horse found his way home, and > > > > everyone again said, "What a fortunate man." > > > > > > > > The farmer said, "We'll see." > > > > > > > > Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went > > out > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ________ > DSL – Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl. > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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