Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Love and respects. This is not to discouragae or criticise you. kindly note. Before searching for the RIGHT GURU, let us search deep within us, how far we are eligible/entitled to have a RIGHT GURU. Have we kept ourselves clean within us? You can pour milk if the vessel is clean, if not, the milk will go waste. Is it not? Guru will automatically come searching for the right shishya. Ramakrishna Paramahansa used to cry and weep for his shishyas. So, as we are eager to have a right guru, so also the right guru for a right shishya. Let us try to make ourselves eligible for His grace. Yes, though I am new to this group, I have seen some wonderful postings. We can learn a lot from these great souls. May God Bless Us All Always. Love and respects. P. Gopi Krishna p_gopi_krishna (AT) hotmail (DOT) com p_gopi_krishna p_gopi_k (AT) (DOT) co.in Off. Tel. No. 2460 2101 Res. Tel. No. 2262 9066 Message: 5 Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:29:56 -0800 (PST) Divakara Tanjore <div_tan >Re: who am i ?Dear Krishnaji,I fully understand and agree with you but the problem is finding a right guru who is accessible to us. maybe I didnt frame my response correctly, All I am saying is in my humble opinion that we will find many gurus and teachers along the way, we just have to recognize them.I just want to share with you and others of this group about my humble experience, it may or may not be helpful to others but my heart wants to share and express gratitude.A while ago, in my spiritual quest I was confused and was having many unanswered questions, I got directed to this group by diving guidance of lord shiva, I have learned a lot from the postings and the responses to my questions of the respected members of this group, I consider most of them as my gurus, these people have cleared my doubts and guided me when I was confusedand upset. I had some questions about lord shiva, meditation, Gayatri mantra and mantra chanting etc (some very silly) and respected members like KSRao ji, Saidevo, ArjunPunditji, George Pillai ji, Prasannaji, etc have clarified and guided me, Now I have found certain peace and direction in my quest for truth, I have developed a confidence that I am in the right track. honestly I am seeing things, my life has changed, I am able to meditate. I will always begreatful and thankful to this group and its members for sharing wonderful information, answering my questions and clearing my thoughts and guiding me.Not only this group there are a number of resources we just have to look, like the bible says, "ask, and you will get it", we just have to ask or seek. God may even give us a great guru who knows :)Om namah shivaya,Divakar. 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Though forms will continue to createkarma, we will never have a blissful life unless we change ourselvesinside out ...a though can change your life it can also destroy your life --- it isa inner choice .....Sureshwww.rudrakshanepal.com__________Message: 3Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:21:15 +0530Satyanarayana Raju <saislove >Please help this small Kid.Dear All,Alexandra came out of a rigging fire alive, but now has to fight forher life and a normal future.She is 14 months old and she has burnt skin all over her body, damagefacial bones (as a result of very high temperature).She does not have half of her face. She is in hospital in Cracow - Polandand one ofthe best specialist is looking after her.However she still has to go through many surgeries and then long rehab.Unfortunately her parentsdo not have any more money. 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Try it free.*<http://pa./*http://us.rd./evt=36035/*http://music./unlimited/>______[This message contained attachments]__________Message: 4Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:43:53 +0000 (GMT)LG <lagan29 (AT) (DOT) co.in>MAATRUPANCHAKAMMAATRUPANCHAKAM - ADI SHANKARAAaasthaam taavadiyam prasootisamayae Durvaarashoolavyathaa,nairuchyam tanushoshanam malamayee shayyaa cha saamvatsaree.ekasyaapi na garbhabhaarabharanaklaeshaya yasyaa (a)kshamo daatum,nishkrutimunnato(a)pi tanayaha tasyai jananyai namaha.May the salutations be unto the mother.The pain experienced by her at the time of delivery, the emaciation or the body becoming thin during pregnancy, the year long sharing of the bed made dirty by the child, none of these miserable experiences endured by the mother during pregnancy and thereafter can in any manner be compensated even by a great son.Gurukulamupasrutya svapnakaalae tu drushtvaa,yati samuchita vaesham praarudo maam tvamuchchaihi.gurukulamatha sarvam praarudattae samaksham,sapadi charanayostae maaturastu pranaamaha.It was in a dream that you saw me clad in the dress of a sannyasin. You werenot able to control yourself to see me in that attire. You rushed to my gurukula.You embraced me and wept aloud openly. The entire gurukula wept along with you. O mother, what else can I do , except falling at your feet and offering salutations to you.Na dattam maatastae maranasamayae toyamapi vaa,svadhaa vaa no daeyaa maranadivasae shraaddhavidhinaa.na japto maatastae maranasamayae taarakamanuhu,akaalae sampraaptae mayi kuru dayaam maataratulaam.O mother! at the time of your death even water was not offered to you, by me.Even your death anniversary , no oblation was offered to me according to sraadha principles. At the time of your death the taaraka mantra was not chanted by me into your ear. O, peerless mother, be compassionate to me. Please forgive me, for i have arrived here late, when all things are over.Muktaamanistvam nayanam mamaeti,raajaeti jeevaeti chiram suta tvam.ityuktavatyaastava vaachi maataha,dadaamyaham tandulamaesha shushkam.You were calling me with endearing words like," you are my pearl ; you are my jewel; you are my eyes ; you are my prince ; you are my life ; long live you , my child and so on. In return , to the sweet words , uttered to me , I offer you this dry rice, O, dear mother.Ambaeti taataeti shivaeti tasmin,prasootikaalae yadavocha uchchaihi.krushnaeti govinda harae mukundaetyaho,jananyai rachito (a) yamanjalihiAt the time of delivery , my dearest mother , you cried aloud in agonising labour pains thus : O mother , O father,O shiva, krishna , govinda , O hari , O mukunda and so on. May , my humble prostrations unto you , my dear mother , be accepted India Matrimony: Find your partner now.[This message contained attachments]__________Message: 5Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:45:33 +0000"Paritala Gopi Krishna" <p_gopi_krishna (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>RE: Digest Number 137Dear All,To get a good Guru, one should first become a very good Shishya, I think.Let us try to become very good shishyas so as to become eligble for gettinggood gurus. I am sure, He transforms Himself into a Guru to guide us the daywe become very good shishyas.Love and regardsP. Gopi Krishnap_gopi_krishna (AT) hotmail (DOT) comp_gopi_krishna p_gopi_k (AT) (DOT) co.inOff. Tel. No. 2460 2101Res. Tel. No. 2262 9066----Original Message Follows---- Reply-To: To: Subject: Digest Number 13712 Dec 2005 08:18:42 -0000There are 7 messages in this issue.Topics in this digest:1. Re: Hanuman ChalisaDivakara Tanjore <div_tan >2. Re: na tato na mataDharmi <psk_2 >3. Re: na tato na mataNirmal Sharma <ghimirenirmal >4. Bhavani Asthakam and Tripurasundari Ashtakam"chelakkara_raja" <chelakkara_raja >5. Re: who am i ?Divakara Tanjore <div_tan >6. Re: who am i ? Philippe De Coster <hagurcomic (AT) (DOT) co.uk>7. Re: who am i ?venkat raman <s_venkat75 >__________Message: 1Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:34:00 -0800 (PST)Divakara Tanjore <div_tan >Re: Hanuman ChalisaGreat Picture Prasanna ji.Om namah shivaya,Divakar.--- prasanna kumar <prasannakumar21 > wrote:> *JAI HANUMAN GYAN GUN SAGAR JAI KAPISH TUHI LOK> UJAGAR"> *>> Thanks and Regards> Prasanna Kumar>Do You ?Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around[This message contained attachments]__________Message: 2Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:58:00 -0800 (PST)Dharmi <psk_2 >Re: na tato na mataHello Nirmal Sharma,>>>I have listened to this one shiva bhajan from my childhood andimmensely >>>>like it and is just so nice to listento this" NA TATO NA MATA, NA BANDHUR NA APATA,NA PUTRA NA PUTRI NA BHRITYO NABHARTAGATISTAM, GATISTAM, TOMEKA BHAVANI"( this is only part of the big bhajan)The above verses are from Bhavani Ashtkam and not any shiva "Bhajan"Composed by Adi guru, Shankaraya bhagvat pada.... urfAdi -Shankaracharya.Bhajans and ashtakams are totally a different ball game.A Prayer to Mother Divine,Bhavani - these sacred sanskrit 8Stanza prayers were written by Sri Aadi Shankaracharya, composed in a highstate of devotion and bliss to uplift the devotees.Na Taato Na Maato Na Bandhur Na Daata,Na putro Na putri Na Bhrityo Na Bharta !Na Jaaya Na Vidya Na Vriteermameva,Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!(O Mother Divine! Father, Mother,Husband,Wife,Children and Friends- noneofthese are eternallymine. Knowledge,intellect,mind and will power are alsonoteternal. O Mother of the universe- You are myonlysaviour, My eternal refuge)Bhavadbhavapaarey Mahadukha Bheeruhu,Prapaata Prakaami Pralobhi Pramatah!KuSansaara Paasha Prabhadha SadahamGatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!( I have fallen in the ocean of birth and death, and I fear theirsorrows. I amtrapped by my ego with its countless desires, greed, pride and lust. OMother ofthe universe- You are my only saviour, my eternal refuge.)Na Jaanami Daanam, Na Cha Dhyaana Yogam,Na Jaanami Tantram, Na Cha StotraMantram!Na Jaanami Poojaam, Na Cha Nyaasa Yogam,Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!(O Mother of the universe - I do not know how to come close to you. I donotknow any form of worship. Help me, O Mother Divine- You are my only saviour,myeternal refuge.)Na Jaanami Punyam, Na Jaanami Theertham,Na Jaanami Mutkeem, Layam Vaa Kadachit !Na Jaanami Bhatkeem, Vratam Vaapi Maatah,Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!(I do not know how to be righteous or find your abode. I do not know howtoachieve freedom by dissolving my ego. i am deviod and surrender. I am notstrongenough to make any vow. O Mother of the universe- You are my saviour, myeternalrefuge)Kukarmi, Kusangi, Ku buddhi, Kudasah,Kulaacharaheenah Kadachaaraleenah!Kudrushtih, Kuvaakya Prabandah SadahamGatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!(My mind is always engaged in worthless thoughts and actions. MyIntellect hasbecome dull, enslaved by old habits. I am unable to behave honourably and myintentions are unique. My speech becomes harsh and hurting. Save me,O Motherofthe universe - You aremy only saviour,my eternal refuge)Prajesham, Ramesham, Mahesham, Suresham,Dinesham Nishiteshwaram Va KadachitNa Jaanami Chaanyat Sadaham Sharanye'Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!(I do not Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Indra, Surya and Chandra, or any otherdivinities. O Mother of the universe, you are known for your compassion- Youaremy only saviour, My eternal refuge)Divaadey, Vishadey, Pramadhey, PravaaseyJaale Chaanalay, Parvatey, Shatrumadhyae'Aranye' Sharanye' Sada Maa PrapahiGatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!( O compassionate Mother, protect me wherever I am and with whomever I amwithin pleasure and in distress.O Mother of the universe - You are my onlysaviour,My eternal refuge)Anartho Daridro Jara Rogayukto,Mahashkeena Deenah Sada JadyaVaktrahVipatto Pravishtah Pranashtah Sadaham,Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!( O Mother, I feel like an orphan on this Earth, powerless and withoutinnerwealth, deluded by ignorance and unable to see the light of truth. O Motherofthe universe - You are my only saviour, My eternal refuge)RegardsDharmi....Nirmal Sharma <ghimirenirmal > wrote:Dear SirMr.Pillai George:Your contributions are so inspirign and really a blessing to read them.Your posts are verty informative and very good for the mind.I had a favor to ask you if it was possible.I unfortunaltey do not know Sanskrit and have to rely on englishtranslations.But I love the tone, accent and chanting of sanskrit.I have listened to this one shiva bhajan from my childhood and immenselylike it and is just so nice to listento this ;" NA TATO NA MATA, NA BANDHUR NA APATA,NA PUTRA NA PUTRI NA BHRITYO NABHARTAGATISTAM, GATISTAM, TOMEKA BHAVANI"( this is only part of the big bhajan)I do understand what this line says.But I was wondering if you had the traslation of the whole of thisbhajan.it is such a beatiful bhajan i encourage everyone to listen to it.But I am sure the meaning of this also must be very spiritual,so I tookthe liberty to make this request.with best wishesNirmal ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at ShoppingLord shivaVisit your group "" on the web.To from this group, send an email to:Your use of Groups is subject to the Terms of Service. ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping[This message contained attachments]__________Message: 3Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:43:49 -0800 (PST)Nirmal Sharma <ghimirenirmal >Re: na tato na mataDear Dharmi:Thank you very very much. And also thanks for removing my ignorance aboutthe difference between bhajan and ashtakams.I never knew this was for Mother Divine. Thank you very much forsending me the translation. Indeed it is so nice to read it.with best regardsNirmalDharmi <psk_2 > wrote: Hello Nirmal Sharma,>>>I have listened to this one shiva bhajan from my childhood andimmensely >>>>like it and is just so nice to listento this" NA TATO NA MATA, NA BANDHUR NA APATA,NA PUTRA NA PUTRI NA BHRITYO NABHARTAGATISTAM, GATISTAM, TOMEKA BHAVANI"( this is only part of the big bhajan)The above verses are from Bhavani Ashtkam and not any shiva "Bhajan"Composed by Adi guru, Shankaraya bhagvat pada.... urfAdi -Shankaracharya.Bhajans and ashtakams are totally a different ball game.A Prayer to Mother Divine,Bhavani - these sacred sanskrit 8Stanza prayers were written by Sri Aadi Shankaracharya, composed in a highstate of devotion and bliss to uplift the devotees.Na Taato Na Maato Na Bandhur Na Daata,Na putro Na putri Na Bhrityo Na Bharta !Na Jaaya Na Vidya Na Vriteermameva,Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!(O Mother Divine! Father, Mother,Husband,Wife,Children and Friends- noneofthese are eternallymine. Knowledge,intellect,mind and will power are alsonoteternal. O Mother of the universe- You are myonlysaviour, My eternal refuge)Bhavadbhavapaarey Mahadukha Bheeruhu,Prapaata Prakaami Pralobhi Pramatah!KuSansaara Paasha Prabhadha SadahamGatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!( I have fallen in the ocean of birth and death, and I fear theirsorrows. I amtrapped by my ego with its countless desires, greed, pride and lust. OMother ofthe universe- You are my only saviour, my eternal refuge.)Na Jaanami Daanam, Na Cha Dhyaana Yogam,Na Jaanami Tantram, Na Cha StotraMantram!Na Jaanami Poojaam, Na Cha Nyaasa Yogam,Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!(O Mother of the universe - I do not know how to come close to you. I donotknow any form of worship. Help me, O Mother Divine- You are my only saviour,myeternal refuge.)Na Jaanami Punyam, Na Jaanami Theertham,Na Jaanami Mutkeem, Layam Vaa Kadachit !Na Jaanami Bhatkeem, Vratam Vaapi Maatah,Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!(I do not know how to be righteous or find your abode. I do not know howtoachieve freedom by dissolving my ego. i am deviod and surrender. I am notstrongenough to make any vow. O Mother of the universe- You are my saviour, myeternalrefuge)Kukarmi, Kusangi, Ku buddhi, Kudasah,Kulaacharaheenah Kadachaaraleenah!Kudrushtih, Kuvaakya Prabandah SadahamGatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!(My mind is always engaged in worthless thoughts and actions. MyIntellect hasbecome dull, enslaved by old habits. I am unable to behave honourably and myintentions are unique. My speech becomes harsh and hurting. Save me,O Motherofthe universe - You aremy only saviour,my eternal refuge)Prajesham, Ramesham, Mahesham, Suresham,Dinesham Nishiteshwaram Va KadachitNa Jaanami Chaanyat Sadaham Sharanye'Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!(I do not Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Indra, Surya and Chandra, or any otherdivinities. O Mother of the universe, you are known for your compassion- Youaremy only saviour, My eternal refuge)Divaadey, Vishadey, Pramadhey, PravaaseyJaale Chaanalay, Parvatey, Shatrumadhyae'Aranye' Sharanye' Sada Maa PrapahiGatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!( O compassionate Mother, protect me wherever I am and with whomever I amwithin pleasure and in distress.O Mother of the universe - You are my onlysaviour,My eternal refuge)Anartho Daridro Jara Rogayukto,Mahashkeena Deenah Sada JadyaVaktrahVipatto Pravishtah Pranashtah Sadaham,Gatistvam Gatistvam Twameka Bhavani !!( O Mother, I feel like an orphan on this Earth, powerless and withoutinnerwealth, deluded by ignorance and unable to see the light of truth. O Motherofthe universe - You are my only saviour, My eternal refuge)RegardsDharmi....Nirmal Sharma <ghimirenirmal > wrote:Dear SirMr.Pillai George:Your contributions are so inspirign and really a blessing to read them.Your posts are verty informative and very good for the mind.I had a favor to ask you if it was possible.I unfortunaltey do not know Sanskrit and have to rely on englishtranslations.But I love the tone, accent and chanting of sanskrit.I have listened to this one shiva bhajan from my childhood and immenselylike it and is just so nice to listento this ;" NA TATO NA MATA, NA BANDHUR NA APATA,NA PUTRA NA PUTRI NA BHRITYO NABHARTAGATISTAM, GATISTAM, TOMEKA BHAVANI"( this is only part of the big bhajan)I do understand what this line says.But I was wondering if you had the traslation of the whole of thisbhajan.it is such a beatiful bhajan i encourage everyone to listen to it.But I am sure the meaning of this also must be very spiritual,so I tookthe liberty to make this request.with best wishesNirmal ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at ShoppingLord shivaVisit your group "" on the web.To from this group, send an email to:Your use of Groups is subject to the Terms of Service. ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping[This message contained attachments]__________Message: 4Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:39:53 -0000"chelakkara_raja" <chelakkara_raja >Bhavani Asthakam and Tripurasundari AshtakamDear Friends,The translations to these two great dstotrams have been added tomy web sitewww.geocities.com/ramya475/recently. Ramachander__________Message: 5Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:29:56 -0800 (PST)Divakara Tanjore <div_tan >Re: who am i ?Dear Krishnaji,I fully understand and agree with you but the problemis finding a right guru who is accessible to us. maybeI didnt frame my response correctly, All I am sayingis in my humble opinion that we will find many gurusand teachers along the way, we just have to recognizethem.I just want to share with you and others of this groupabout my humble experience, it may or may not behelpful to others but my heart wants to share andexpress gratitude.A while ago, in my spiritual quest I was confused andwas having many unanswered questions, I got directedto this group by diving guidance of lord shiva, I havelearned a lot from the postings and the responses tomy questions of the respected members of this group, Iconsider most of them as my gurus, these people havecleared my doubts and guided me when I was confusedand upset. I had some questions about lord shiva,meditation, Gayatri mantra and mantra chanting etc (some very silly) and respected members like KSRao ji,Saidevo, ArjunPunditji, George Pillai ji, Prasannaji,etc have clarified and guided me, Now I have foundcertain peace and direction in my quest for truth, Ihave developed a confidence that I am in the righttrack. honestly I am seeing things, my life haschanged, I am able to meditate. I will always begreatful and thankful to this group and its membersfor sharing wonderful information, answering myquestions and clearing my thoughts and guiding me.Not only this group there are a number of resources wejust have to look, like the bible says, "ask, and youwill get it", we just have to ask or seek. God mayeven give us a great guru who knows :)Om namah shivaya,Divakar.--- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > wrote:> Hari OM!>> Dear Philippe, Divakarji,>> I agree, with you both, even I had the same> expereince with a Guru, but all are money making,> thing, he was looking after his parents and other> family members sending money, and he want to get his> brother's children to study here in USA!>> I am not talking about that kind of fake Gurus, I> am talking about the genuine ones, which want to> help the devotees to grow spiritually, Like Ramana> Maharishi, Rama Krishna Paramahansa, Swami> Vivekananda, Swami Sivananda, Swami Chinmayanada,> Swami Tejomayanada, Swami Dayananda Saraswathi, etc> etc.>> With Love & OM!>> Krishna Prasad>> Philippe De Coster <hagurcomic (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> Namaste,>> I do appreciate Divakara's statement as> undermentioned. In the West, even more in Northern> Europe, it is difficult even impossible to find a> good Guru. But, it is as you said, "with or without> guru, what really matters is Bhakti and love to come> closer to God, and closer one comes, through> selfless service or devotional service, meditation,> knowledge in the Scriptures.>> Many a guru are big money-making in the West (I> only know about here in Europe). They preach> selflessness, but they don't, and act through their> collaborators to gather packs of money from their> disciples. Many years ago I landed in a meditation> group, and I thought it was wonderful, meditating> together, and learning Sanskrit songs, etc. After a> while, one after the other, pleading for money came.> That which made me to leave the group was: The 33rd> anniversary of the guru serving in the West was to> be celebrated. As gift, every disciple young or> older, student or not, had to give one dollar for> each year the guru being in the West. That was 33> dollars in 1998, a lot of money to give over here in> those days. If you were a disciple for more than one> year, you had to give an extra lumpsum, but I forgot> how much it was. If I remember well, it was 100> dollar. Although the small local group met quite> often in my appartment, I left the group. I think> they left even my own town. Everyone> got wiser at the end.5 I have a complete file on> the guru in USA.>> Sorry about this, I had to pour out my heart.>> With my best wishes,> Philippe De Coster>> http://www.geocities.com/hagurcomic/GitaBelgium.html>> Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,>> God and divinity is very simple and everyone can see> it, it is nothing but love and care. Yes it will be> good if we can find a right guru who will guide us> in> the right path, and in search of a guru we will> waste> time and only thing we get is disappointment. We can> continue our spiritual quest for truth all by our> selves, if our quest is sincere, divne world will> guide us, God, Angels and the whole world of> divinity> is watching us, they want to Guide us, help us, What> I> am saying is we dont have to stop or get> disheartened> because we did not find a guru, God will lead us to> a> guru, we still have to continue our quest.>> With Guru or without guru, the quest for truth or> God> starts with good, goodness and love, whatever we do> without bhakti and love cannot take us close to god.>> Please think it over, God is simple, spiritualty is> simple, it all starts with Good and love, if we open> up to good and love, things will happen, because we> are seeing this world through Gods view.>> Best Regards,> Om namah shivaya,> Divakar.>>> --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > wrote:>> > Hari OM!> >> > Dear Divakaraji,> >> > Of course if we are like Ramana Maharishi then> we> > do not require a Guru, Even Lord Krishna had a> > Guru, Sandeepany Maharishi.> >> > Then, if we are without a Guru, there are lot of> > self hallucination and we think that might is> right,> > and our Sadhana may not be at the right path and> > way.> >> > Just simply looking for Good in others and in> our> > selves, nothing going to happen> > Divakarji, as some one said we do not need temples> > but we need hospitals and schools and social> > service, but the most important thing is temple if> > people really know the value of temples and start> > visiting and following then we may not require> > hospitals.> >> > We need a Satguru to know our own Self.> Utlimately> > until we realize that the Self is the real Guru> >> > with Love & OM!> >> > Krishna Prasad> >> > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > We dont need a guru for this, all we have to do> is> > look for good in others and our selves, it> requires> > honesty, paractice and love.> >> > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote:> >> > > What is required is only to drop the notions we> > have> > > about the Ego, Self, non-self, etc.> > > This dropping takes place simultaneously with> > the> > > knowledge of Self i.e. the Real Nature of Self> > takes> > > place. In short, we are ignorant about our Real> > > Nature and only Knowledge of Self can remove> this> > > ignorance. For this we have to study under a> > Teacher> > > who follows the Traditional Teaching> Methodology.> > >> > >> > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > > I agree, knowledge of real nature or self> > > realization> > > comes from understanding the true self within> and> > > without. for this the unreal self or ego should> be> > > controlled or removed.> > >> > > Om namah shivaya,> > > Divakar.> > >> > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote:> > >> > > > You require neither to let go or reduce the> Ego.> > > One> > > > has to expose the Ego to Kowledge of its Real> > > > Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never> > changes.> > > > And that is what the Upanishads do by> unfolding> > > this> > > > knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each> > soul> > > > as all are just manifestations of that> Ultimate> > > > Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of> > "I"> > > is> > > > Sat Chit Ananda.> > > >> > > >> > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > > > each soul in human form has two states or> > > > existance,> > > > divine and ego, when we see the world through> > > divine> > > > (love) we see truth and reality, when we see> the>=== message truncated ===Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around__________Message: 6Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:55:47 +0000 (GMT)Philippe De Coster <hagurcomic (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Re: who am i ?Hari Om,Thank you very much for the reply. I agree with you. I was also thinkingabout fake guru's, the one I had in mind lives in New York, well over 65years of age now, used to be an atlethic, and wants his followers to be also(they have to run everyday so many miles). He writes songs, paints birds,and write spirituality in a more sensational way, not very deep going atall. Devotees have to meditate on his transcendental photograph (notphotocopy). He has lots of bodyguards, and appears in the public as amuscian. he writes songs in public. (Sri Ch....)I never had in mind the genuine, God sent guru's as undermentioned. Ihave a veneration for all of them, and have even their books which Icherish.This is our world anyway; In all this we have to live unattached.Namaste,Philippe De CosterKrishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > wrote:Hari OM!Dear Philippe, Divakarji,I agree, with you both, even I had the same expereince with a Guru, butall are money making, thing, he was looking after his parents and otherfamily members sending money, and he want to get his brother's children tostudy here in USA!I am not talking about that kind of fake Gurus, I am talking about thegenuine ones, which want to help the devotees to grow spiritually, LikeRamana Maharishi, Rama Krishna Paramahansa, Swami Vivekananda, SwamiSivananda, Swami Chinmayanada, Swami Tejomayanada, Swami DayanandaSaraswathi, etc etc.With Love & OM!Krishna PrasadPhilippe De Coster <hagurcomic (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:Namaste,I do appreciate Divakara's statement as undermentioned. In the West, evenmore in Northern Europe, it is difficult even impossible to find a goodGuru. But, it is as you said, "with or without guru, what really matters isBhakti and love to come closer to God, and closer one comes, throughselfless service or devotional service, meditation, knowledge in theScriptures.Many a guru are big money-making in the West (I only know about here inEurope). They preach selflessness, but they don't, and act through theircollaborators to gather packs of money from their disciples. Many years agoI landed in a meditation group, and I thought it was wonderful, meditatingtogether, and learning Sanskrit songs, etc. After a while, one after theother, pleading for money came. That which made me to leave the group was:The 33rd anniversary of the guru serving in the West was to be celebrated.As gift, every disciple young or older, student or not, had to give onedollar for each year the guru being in the West. That was 33 dollars in1998, a lot of money to give over here in those days. If you were a disciplefor more than one year, you had to give an extra lumpsum, but I forgot howmuch it was. If I remember well, it was 100 dollar. Although the small localgroup met quite often in my appartment, I left the group. I think they lefteven my own town. Everyonegot wiser at the end.5 I have a complete file on the guru in USA.Sorry about this, I had to pour out my heart.With my best wishes,Philippe De Costerhttp://www.geocities.com/hagurcomic/GitaBelgium.htmlDivakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:Dear Krishna ji,God and divinity is very simple and everyone can seeit, it is nothing but love and care. Yes it will begood if we can find a right guru who will guide us inthe right path, and in search of a guru we will wastetime and only thing we get is disappointment. We cancontinue our spiritual quest for truth all by ourselves, if our quest is sincere, divne world willguide us, God, Angels and the whole world of divinityis watching us, they want to Guide us, help us, What Iam saying is we dont have to stop or get disheartenedbecause we did not find a guru, God will lead us to aguru, we still have to continue our quest.With Guru or without guru, the quest for truth or Godstarts with good, goodness and love, whatever we dowithout bhakti and love cannot take us close to god.Please think it over, God is simple, spiritualty issimple, it all starts with Good and love, if we openup to good and love, things will happen, because weare seeing this world through Gods view.Best Regards,Om namah shivaya,Divakar.--- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > wrote:> Hari OM!>> Dear Divakaraji,>> Of course if we are like Ramana Maharishi then we> do not require a Guru, Even Lord Krishna had a> Guru, Sandeepany Maharishi.>> Then, if we are without a Guru, there are lot of> self hallucination and we think that might is right,> and our Sadhana may not be at the right path and> way.>> Just simply looking for Good in others and in our> selves, nothing going to happen> Divakarji, as some one said we do not need temples> but we need hospitals and schools and social> service, but the most important thing is temple if> people really know the value of temples and start> visiting and following then we may not require> hospitals.>> We need a Satguru to know our own Self. Utlimately> until we realize that the Self is the real Guru>> with Love & OM!>> Krishna Prasad>> Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> We dont need a guru for this, all we have to do is> look for good in others and our selves, it requires> honesty, paractice and love.>> --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote:>> > What is required is only to drop the notions we> have> > about the Ego, Self, non-self, etc.> > This dropping takes place simultaneously with> the> > knowledge of Self i.e. the Real Nature of Self> takes> > place. In short, we are ignorant about our Real> > Nature and only Knowledge of Self can remove this> > ignorance. For this we have to study under a> Teacher> > who follows the Traditional Teaching Methodology.> >> >> > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > I agree, knowledge of real nature or self> > realization> > comes from understanding the true self within and> > without. for this the unreal self or ego should be> > controlled or removed.> >> > Om namah shivaya,> > Divakar.> >> > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote:> >> > > You require neither to let go or reduce the Ego.> > One> > > has to expose the Ego to Kowledge of its Real> > > Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never> changes.> > > And that is what the Upanishads do by unfolding> > this> > > knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each> soul> > > as all are just manifestations of that Ultimate> > > Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of> "I"> > is> > > Sat Chit Ananda.> > >> > >> > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > > each soul in human form has two states or> > > existance,> > > divine and ego, when we see the world through> > divine> > > (love) we see truth and reality, when we see the> > > world> > > through ego we see maya, we have to open up our> > > self,> > > look into our inner self to find the divine or> > god,> > > and look at the world, we will see truth,> reality> > > and> > > love.> > >> > > It takes a lot of practice and honesty to let go> > or> > > reduce ego.> > >> > > Om namah shivaya,> > > Divakar.> > >> > > --- anil bindal <bindal (AT) dcmtech (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > >> > > > A desire is a desire be it spiritual or the> > > > material.> > > >> > > > Until we are able to do vichaara on who> desires> > ?> > > > how can i ( self-ego> > > > again) in Maya get a glimpse of Real Self ?> > > >> > > > Who seeks ? and what is to be sought ? is all> > this> > > > not a mind game ?> > > >> > > > Is knowledge itself not a game of mind..? and> > the> > > > experience of sharing> > > > the knowledge in the email lists..> > > >> > > > Even Saab Gorakh ki Maya hai or everything is> > will> > > > of GOD..who says so ?> > > >> > > > answer will be I..> > > >> > > > then who am i ?> > > >> > > > going thru a very pathetic state as ego does> > not> > > > want to kill itself.> > > >> > > >> > > > --> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > >> > > > Anil Bindal> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home> > page!> > >> > > http://www./r/hs> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Lord shiva> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > Visit your group "" on> > the> > > web.> > >> > > To from this group, send an> email> > > to:> > >> > > > >> > > Your use of Groups is subject to the> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Personals> > > Single? 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GROUPS LINKSVisit your group "" on the web.To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service.[This message contained attachments]__________Message: 7Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:55:17 -0800 (PST)venkat raman <s_venkat75 >Re: who am i ?Dear All,I agree phillipe Ji, Getting a good Guru is becoming hard to goodguys.....I believe that good guru is searching for a good disciple....Ithink if we develop ourself and try to become more and more perfect, then inone stage that good, great guru come to us automatically....it like we allin 5th road but that good guru is on the cross road of the 1st lane....if wetry to become perfect each day and every minute by becoming true, humble,honest, not money minded, dettached, love for fellow beings (compassion)without any expectation and move forward...then we will meet our good greatSatguru on the first lane....then he will lead us to laneless lane....Actually speaking we are learning from others mistakes.....i thinkeach one of us is going to be a satguru for the future generations....thatswhy lord is showing bad gurus and their mistakes. From their mistakes he'sshowing how a satguru shld be and shld not be....so lord is so mercyful andclever....Omni potent, Omni Science and Omni presence...and lead usrightly....He know how to do and when to do....we are kids and really when we getthe potential and right time to read then he will give admission in hisschool....till that we need to play and be a part of his play....A good Seed cannot stay in the bad soil. so a good disciple. No worriesbad gurus for bad disciples. Even the bad disciple once realise theirmistakes and try to become a good human then they also wont stay with thebad guru.Evolution is a continuing process thru many births....No worries..No hurries....Right thing will happen at Right time....Anbe Shivam (love is shiva).....With love,A loving son of Mercyful Father Shiva :)Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:Dear Krishnaji,I fully understand and agree with you but the problemis finding a right guru who is accessible to us. maybeI didnt frame my response correctly, All I am sayingis in my humble opinion that we will find many gurusand teachers along the way, we just have to recognizethem.I just want to share with you and others of this groupabout my humble experience, it may or may not behelpful to others but my heart wants to share andexpress gratitude.A while ago, in my spiritual quest I was confused andwas having many unanswered questions, I got directedto this group by diving guidance of lord shiva, I havelearned a lot from the postings and the responses tomy questions of the respected members of this group, Iconsider most of them as my gurus, these people havecleared my doubts and guided me when I was confusedand upset. I had some questions about lord shiva,meditation, Gayatri mantra and mantra chanting etc (some very silly) and respected members like KSRao ji,Saidevo, ArjunPunditji, George Pillai ji, Prasannaji,etc have clarified and guided me, Now I have foundcertain peace and direction in my quest for truth, Ihave developed a confidence that I am in the righttrack. honestly I am seeing things, my life haschanged, I am able to meditate. I will always begreatful and thankful to this group and its membersfor sharing wonderful information, answering myquestions and clearing my thoughts and guiding me.Not only this group there are a number of resources wejust have to look, like the bible says, "ask, and youwill get it", we just have to ask or seek. God mayeven give us a great guru who knows :)Om namah shivaya,Divakar.--- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > wrote:> Hari OM!>> Dear Philippe, Divakarji,>> I agree, with you both, even I had the same> expereince with a Guru, but all are money making,> thing, he was looking after his parents and other> family members sending money, and he want to get his> brother's children to study here in USA!>> I am not talking about that kind of fake Gurus, I> am talking about the genuine ones, which want to> help the devotees to grow spiritually, Like Ramana> Maharishi, Rama Krishna Paramahansa, Swami> Vivekananda, Swami Sivananda, Swami Chinmayanada,> Swami Tejomayanada, Swami Dayananda Saraswathi, etc> etc.>> With Love & OM!>> Krishna Prasad>> Philippe De Coster <hagurcomic (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> Namaste,>> I do appreciate Divakara's statement as> undermentioned. In the West, even more in Northern> Europe, it is difficult even impossible to find a> good Guru. But, it is as you said, "with or without> guru, what really matters is Bhakti and love to come> closer to God, and closer one comes, through> selfless service or devotional service, meditation,> knowledge in the Scriptures.>> Many a guru are big money-making in the West (I> only know about here in Europe). They preach> selflessness, but they don't, and act through their> collaborators to gather packs of money from their> disciples. Many years ago I landed in a meditation> group, and I thought it was wonderful, meditating> together, and learning Sanskrit songs, etc. After a> while, one after the other, pleading for money came.> That which made me to leave the group was: The 33rd> anniversary of the guru serving in the West was to> be celebrated. As gift, every disciple young or> older, student or not, had to give one dollar for> each year the guru being in the West. That was 33> dollars in 1998, a lot of money to give over here in> those days. If you were a disciple for more than one> year, you had to give an extra lumpsum, but I forgot> how much it was. If I remember well, it was 100> dollar. Although the small local group met quite> often in my appartment, I left the group. I think> they left even my own town. Everyone> got wiser at the end.5 I have a complete file on> the guru in USA.>> Sorry about this, I had to pour out my heart.>> With my best wishes,> Philippe De Coster>> http://www.geocities.com/hagurcomic/GitaBelgium.html>> Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> Dear Krishna ji,>> God and divinity is very simple and everyone can see> it, it is nothing but love and care. Yes it will be> good if we can find a right guru who will guide us> in> the right path, and in search of a guru we will> waste> time and only thing we get is disappointment. We can> continue our spiritual quest for truth all by our> selves, if our quest is sincere, divne world will> guide us, God, Angels and the whole world of> divinity> is watching us, they want to Guide us, help us, What> I> am saying is we dont have to stop or get> disheartened> because we did not find a guru, God will lead us to> a> guru, we still have to continue our quest.>> With Guru or without guru, the quest for truth or> God> starts with good, goodness and love, whatever we do> without bhakti and love cannot take us close to god.>> Please think it over, God is simple, spiritualty is> simple, it all starts with Good and love, if we open> up to good and love, things will happen, because we> are seeing this world through Gods view.>> Best Regards,> Om namah shivaya,> Divakar.>>> --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > wrote:>> > Hari OM!> >> > Dear Divakaraji,> >> > Of course if we are like Ramana Maharishi then> we> > do not require a Guru, Even Lord Krishna had a> > Guru, Sandeepany Maharishi.> >> > Then, if we are without a Guru, there are lot of> > self hallucination and we think that might is> right,> > and our Sadhana may not be at the right path and> > way.> >> > Just simply looking for Good in others and in> our> > selves, nothing going to happen> > Divakarji, as some one said we do not need temples> > but we need hospitals and schools and social> > service, but the most important thing is temple if> > people really know the value of temples and start> > visiting and following then we may not require> > hospitals.> >> > We need a Satguru to know our own Self.> Utlimately> > until we realize that the Self is the real Guru> >> > with Love & OM!> >> > Krishna Prasad> >> > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > We dont need a guru for this, all we have to do> is> > look for good in others and our selves, it> requires> > honesty, paractice and love.> >> > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote:> >> > > What is required is only to drop the notions we> > have> > > about the Ego, Self, non-self, etc.> > > This dropping takes place simultaneously with> > the> > > knowledge of Self i.e. the Real Nature of Self> > takes> > > place. In short, we are ignorant about our Real> > > Nature and only Knowledge of Self can remove> this> > > ignorance. For this we have to study under a> > Teacher> > > who follows the Traditional Teaching> Methodology.> > >> > >> > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > > I agree, knowledge of real nature or self> > > realization> > > comes from understanding the true self within> and> > > without. for this the unreal self or ego should> be> > > controlled or removed.> > >> > > Om namah shivaya,> > > Divakar.> > >> > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani > wrote:> > >> > > > You require neither to let go or reduce the> Ego.> > > One> > > > has to expose the Ego to Kowledge of its Real> > > > Swaroopa i.e. its Real Nature which never> > changes.> > > > And that is what the Upanishads do by> unfolding> > > this> > > > knowledge. There was/is /will be no more each> > soul> > > > as all are just manifestations of that> Ultimate> > > > Reality and that Ultimate Reality the core of> > "I"> > > is> > > > Sat Chit Ananda.> > > >> > > >> > > > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > wrote:> > > > each soul in human form has two states or> > > > existance,> > > > divine and ego, when we see the world through> > > divine> > > > (love) we see truth and reality, when we see> the>=== message truncated ===Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection aroundLord shivaVisit your group "" on the web.To from this group, send an email to:Your use of Groups is subject to the Terms of Service. ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping[This message contained attachments]__________------ Groups Links------__________Message: 6Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:34:31 +0000 (GMT)Selvaratnam Selvakumar <selvauk (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Three Little BirdsOm Namah Sivaya"Just as a bird tied by a string to the hand of thebird-catcher first flies in every direction and thenfinding no rest elsewhere, settles down at the placewhere it is bound, so too the soul, after travellingin every direction and also finding no true happinesselsewhere, settles down in meditation on the PureEssence"-- Chandogya Upanishad"Two birds, united always and known by the same name,closely cling to the same tree. One of them eats thepleasant fruit; the other looks on without eating.Seated in the same heart, the individual soul laments,bewildered by his impotence. However, when he beholdsthe other Supreme Soul, the Supreme Lord, ultimatelyworshipped by all, and remembers His glories, he thenbecomes free from grief.When the wise soul beholds the resplendant SupremeCreator, the Supreme Lord, the Supreme Being ... thenhe, the wise soul, ... becomes flawless, and attainsunity with the Supreme."-- Mundaka UpanishadSivaya Namah_________NEW Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars./__________Message: 7Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:39:57 +0800 (CST)pillai george <pillai_george .sg>We'll seeOnce upon a time, there was a farmer in the central region of China. He didn't have a lot of money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old horse to plow his field.One afternoon, while working in the field, the horse dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, "Oh, what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer said simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so calm, that everyone in the village got together and, admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a gift.Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man." And the farmer said, "We'll see."A couple days later, the new horse jumped a fence and ran away. Everyone in the village shook their heads and said, "What a poor fellow!"The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see."Eventually, the horse found his way home, and everyone again said, "What a fortunate man."The farmer said, "We'll see."Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went out riding on the horse and fell and broke his leg. Everyone in the village said, "What a shame for the poor boy."The farmer said, "We'll see."Two days later, the army came into the village to draft new recruits. When they saw that the farmer's son had a broken leg, they decided not to recruit him.Everyone said, "What a fortunate young man."The farmer smiled again - and said "We'll see."Moral of the story: There's no use in overreacting to the events and circumstances of our everyday lives. Many times what looks like a setback, may actually be a gift in disguise. And when our hearts are in the right place, all events and circumstances are gifts that we can learn valuable lessons from.YoursGeorge PillaiDo you ?New and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage![This message contained attachments]__________Message: 8Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:33:20 -0800 (PST) chhaya_singh84 >You are Special and ValuableTo George ji,Thank you very much for this wonderful story pillai ji.I have certainly gained a lot from it.May god bless youRegardschhaya_singh__________Message: 9Tue, 13 Dec 2005 03:18:33 -0000"Chandra Sekhar kamojjala" <kamojjala_2000 (AT) (DOT) COM>From Kamojjala Chandra SekharHi Group mates,Iam glad to join in this group.Really appreciate the founder of thisgrp.we continue the propagation of Greatness & Power of LORD SHIVA inthis grp.Thanks & regards,Kamojjala Chandra Sekhar.__________Message: 10Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:19:29 +0000 (GMT)Ramanath Babu <ramanath_babu (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: We'll seeSir,excellent piece of story. If only people could realise that whatever is happening in their life is all pre-determined and even the God may not interfere in it to change the course of life.The life is like a book (novel) already written. We are mere actors of the novel already written. Take the story of 'sudama' the closest friend of Lord Krishna. He was so poor that days together, his family could not get anything to eat. He on the other hand, was unconcerned about all this, and always throught about Lord only. Krisha too was very much aware of his poor condition, yet at no time he interfered till the time came when sudama decided to meet his old friend. This story is known to every one, yet people forget the basic message.We are mere puppets in the hands of God. Just go on doing our Karma without thinking of its reward. You will get the reward when your time comes.Thanks & regards,Babupillai george <pillai_george .sg> wrote:Once upon a time, there was a farmer in the central region of China. He didn't have a lot of money and, instead of a tractor, he used an old horse to plow his field.One afternoon, while working in the field, the horse dropped dead. Everyone in the village said, "Oh, what a horrible thing to happen." The farmer said simply, "We'll see." He was so at peace and so calm, that everyone in the village got together and, admiring his attitude, gave him a new horse as a gift.Everyone's reaction now was, "What a lucky man." And the farmer said, "We'll see."A couple days later, the new horse jumped a fence and ran away. Everyone in the village shook their heads and said, "What a poor fellow!"The farmer smiled and said, "We'll see."Eventually, the horse found his way home, and everyone again said, "What a fortunate man."The farmer said, "We'll see."Later in the year, the farmer's young boy went out riding on the horse and fell and broke his leg. Everyone in the village said, "What a shame for the poor boy."The farmer said, "We'll see."Two days later, the army came into the village to draft new recruits. When they saw that the farmer's son had a broken leg, they decided not to recruit him.Everyone said, "What a fortunate young man."The farmer smiled again - and said "We'll see."Moral of the story: There's no use in overreacting to the events and circumstances of our everyday lives. Many times what looks like a setback, may actually be a gift in disguise. And when our hearts are in the right place, all events and circumstances are gifts that we can learn valuable lessons from.YoursGeorge PillaiNew and Improved Mail - 1GB free storage!! GROUPS LINKSVisit your group "" on the web.To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. 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