Guest guest Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 It's a funny thought. In Buddhism Shiva the Great Deva isn't so much worshipped as God as merely propitiated as a protector or benefactor. To dwell overmuch on God as separate from oneself is to still be engaging in maya as an observable phenomenon. There is in fact no observer and no observed. If you look deeper and deeper into anything you ultimately find...nothing. Such reality really should make one smile. - elaeocarpaceae2003 Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:15 PM Lord Shiva Dear Group, It costs a lot to worship Lord Shiva; it costs even more so not to do so. Barbara Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 Hi Kirk. Well, I'm not a Buddhist, and one can be a devotee of Lord Shiva, maya or not. Barbara - Kirk Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:06 PM Re: Lord Shiva It's a funny thought. In Buddhism Shiva the Great Deva isn't so much worshipped as God as merely propitiated as a protector or benefactor. To dwell overmuch on God as separate from oneself is to still be engaging in maya as an observable phenomenon. There is in fact no observer and no observed. If you look deeper and deeper into anything you ultimately find...nothing. Such reality really should make one smile. - elaeocarpaceae2003 Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:15 PM Lord Shiva Dear Group, It costs a lot to worship Lord Shiva; it costs even more so not to do so. Barbara Sponsor To send an email to: Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 Yes of course. - Barbara J. Spencer Sunday, May 04, 2003 9:51 PM Re: Lord Shiva Hi Kirk. Well, I'm not a Buddhist, and one can be a devotee of Lord Shiva, maya or not. Barbara - Kirk Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:06 PM Re: Lord Shiva It's a funny thought. In Buddhism Shiva the Great Deva isn't so much worshipped as God as merely propitiated as a protector or benefactor. To dwell overmuch on God as separate from oneself is to still be engaging in maya as an observable phenomenon. There is in fact no observer and no observed. If you look deeper and deeper into anything you ultimately find...nothing. Such reality really should make one smile. - elaeocarpaceae2003 Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:15 PM Lord Shiva Dear Group, It costs a lot to worship Lord Shiva; it costs even more so not to do so. Barbara Sponsor To send an email to: Sponsor To send an email to: Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Hi. Check the website which I did post. There should be a way to contact them on that. If not, let me know and I'll look around for it. In a message dated 5/5/2003 3:21:29 PM Central Daylight Time, barbjs writes: > Dear Kantikakini, > > Thank you for you message. Do you have the email of Amba House Ashram in > Los Angeles for me. Just can't get with the Formless. I used to do for a > while the 1000 Names of Lalita every (well almost every) day. Barbara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Dear Barbaraji and Mr. Kirk: There is an Ashram in Los Angeles called Amba House. www.ambahouse.org They offer these extremely wonderful Correspondence Courses on various Vedic texts for free by email or regular mail. Was reading my latest Lesson on the Lalitasahasranama and came upon something that reminded me of what the two of you had been talking about. The Synchronicity was so obvious I felt I should share some of what was said. It was explained that the entire process of Creation and all of the aspects of the Divine are within us. "When a jeeva is in need of outward need of worship, the aspect of the Divine with attributes takes precedence. When there is the inward need, the contemplation on the formless takes the forefront. Both are Divine and free of all possible limitations, attachments, deficiencies and constraints" I think it was the Dalai Lama who said that any Path that causes a person to acquire a good heart is a Valid Path. Om Namah Shivaya Kanti , "Kirk" <kirk_bernhardt@c...> wrote: > Yes of course. > - > Barbara J. Spencer > > Sunday, May 04, 2003 9:51 PM > Re: Lord Shiva > > > Hi Kirk. > > Well, I'm not a Buddhist, and one can be a devotee of Lord Shiva, maya or not. Barbara > - > Kirk > > Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:06 PM > Re: Lord Shiva > > > It's a funny thought. In Buddhism Shiva the Great Deva isn't so much worshipped as God as merely propitiated as a protector or benefactor. To dwell overmuch on God as separate from oneself is to still be engaging in maya as an observable phenomenon. There is in fact no observer and no observed. If you look deeper and deeper into anything you ultimately find...nothing. Such reality really should make one smile. > - > elaeocarpaceae2003 > > Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:15 PM > Lord Shiva > > > Dear Group, > > It costs a lot to worship Lord Shiva; it costs even more so not to do > so. > > Barbara > > > Sponsor > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Dear Kantikakini, Thank you for you message. Do you have the email of Amba House Ashram in Los Angeles for me. Just can't get with the Formless. I used to do for a while the 1000 Names of Lalita every (well almost every) day. Barbara - kantikakini Monday, May 05, 2003 11:07 AM Re: Lord Shiva Dear Barbaraji and Mr. Kirk: There is an Ashram in Los Angeles called Amba House. www.ambahouse.org They offer these extremely wonderful Correspondence Courses on various Vedic texts for free by email or regular mail. Was reading my latest Lesson on the Lalitasahasranama and came upon something that reminded me of what the two of you had been talking about. The Synchronicity was so obvious I felt I should share some of what was said. It was explained that the entire process of Creation and all of the aspects of the Divine are within us. "When a jeeva is in need of outward need of worship, the aspect of the Divine with attributes takes precedence. When there is the inward need, the contemplation on the formless takes the forefront. Both are Divine and free of all possible limitations, attachments, deficiencies and constraints" I think it was the Dalai Lama who said that any Path that causes a person to acquire a good heart is a Valid Path. Om Namah Shivaya Kanti , "Kirk" <kirk_bernhardt@c...> wrote: > Yes of course. > - > Barbara J. Spencer > > Sunday, May 04, 2003 9:51 PM > Re: Lord Shiva > > > Hi Kirk. > > Well, I'm not a Buddhist, and one can be a devotee of Lord Shiva, maya or not. Barbara > - > Kirk > > Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:06 PM > Re: Lord Shiva > > > It's a funny thought. In Buddhism Shiva the Great Deva isn't so much worshipped as God as merely propitiated as a protector or benefactor. To dwell overmuch on God as separate from oneself is to still be engaging in maya as an observable phenomenon. There is in fact no observer and no observed. If you look deeper and deeper into anything you ultimately find...nothing. Such reality really should make one smile. > - > elaeocarpaceae2003 > > Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:15 PM > Lord Shiva > > > Dear Group, > > It costs a lot to worship Lord Shiva; it costs even more so not to do > so. > > Barbara > > > Sponsor > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Dear Barb, Regarding your post on the expense of worship, I thought I'd share my own thoughts regarding the objects of ritual. Having recently just spent an insane (for me) amount of money on rudrakshas I started thinking about the dangers of the physical culture of spirituality. For myself, I have specific conditions and situations for which I am hoping to get assistance, but I can see the distraction of overreliance on materiality in worship and healing, especially if your purpose in worship is self-realization. I am sure that God/Gods would never want you to harm yourself financially in your reverence of them, and that a simple picture or even a mental picture of your diety, be-decked with imaginary or real flowers, into which you pour your heart-felt love with great focus and concentration is worth far more to your own development and to the gods than the loveliest be-jeweled shrine in the world. I personally get much further in meditation when I am done the physical rituals of my little pujas and act only in my mind, as the physical acts somehow distract me to some degree. Initially, they helped me focus myself on the actions at hand, but I get much better focus (and presumably progress towards self-realization) when I act only in my mind. Hope these thoughts are of service! take care,elizabeth The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 Dear Shehoss, Thanks for your message. I also spent a lot for a 14 mukhi Rudraksah, but I did not do it for myself. I bought it because it gives Moksah to the preceding generation, and I wanted to assure my dead mother's moksha. She had a very hard time in childbirth with me and was atheistic. If Lord Shiva will liberated her because I buy one 14 mukhi bead, that is fine with me. It will save her countless years of suffering. Barbara - shehoss Monday, May 05, 2003 10:59 PM re: lord shiva Dear Barb, Regarding your post on the expense of worship, I thought I'd share my own thoughts regarding the objects of ritual. Having recently just spent an insane (for me) amount of money on rudrakshas I started thinking about the dangers of the physical culture of spirituality. For myself, I have specific conditions and situations for which I am hoping to get assistance, but I can see the distraction of overreliance on materiality in worship and healing, especially if your purpose in worship is self-realization. I am sure that God/Gods would never want you to harm yourself financially in your reverence of them, and that a simple picture or even a mental picture of your diety, be-decked with imaginary or real flowers, into which you pour your heart-felt love with great focus and concentration is worth far more to your own development and to the gods than the loveliest be-jeweled shrine in the world. I personally get much further in meditation when I am The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Sponsor To send an email to: Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 The courses are wonderful and so is the community there. :-) In a message dated 5/6/2003 6:25:20 PM Central Daylight Time, barbjs writes: > Dear Kantikakini, > > I have contacted Amba House regarding their email courses. Thanks. Barbara > - > kantikakini > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 Dear Kantikakini, I have contacted Amba House regarding their email courses. Thanks. Barbara - kantikakini Monday, May 05, 2003 11:07 AM Re: Lord Shiva Dear Barbaraji and Mr. Kirk: There is an Ashram in Los Angeles called Amba House. www.ambahouse.org They offer these extremely wonderful Correspondence Courses on various Vedic texts for free by email or regular mail. Was reading my latest Lesson on the Lalitasahasranama and came upon something that reminded me of what the two of you had been talking about. The Synchronicity was so obvious I felt I should share some of what was said. It was explained that the entire process of Creation and all of the aspects of the Divine are within us. "When a jeeva is in need of outward need of worship, the aspect of the Divine with attributes takes precedence. When there is the inward need, the contemplation on the formless takes the forefront. Both are Divine and free of all possible limitations, attachments, deficiencies and constraints" I think it was the Dalai Lama who said that any Path that causes a person to acquire a good heart is a Valid Path. Om Namah Shivaya Kanti , "Kirk" <kirk_bernhardt@c...> wrote: > Yes of course. > - > Barbara J. Spencer > > Sunday, May 04, 2003 9:51 PM > Re: Lord Shiva > > > Hi Kirk. > > Well, I'm not a Buddhist, and one can be a devotee of Lord Shiva, maya or not. Barbara > - > Kirk > > Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:06 PM > Re: Lord Shiva > > > It's a funny thought. In Buddhism Shiva the Great Deva isn't so much worshipped as God as merely propitiated as a protector or benefactor. To dwell overmuch on God as separate from oneself is to still be engaging in maya as an observable phenomenon. There is in fact no observer and no observed. If you look deeper and deeper into anything you ultimately find...nothing. Such reality really should make one smile. > - > elaeocarpaceae2003 > > Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:15 PM > Lord Shiva > > > Dear Group, > > It costs a lot to worship Lord Shiva; it costs even more so not to do > so. > > Barbara > > > Sponsor > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > To send an email to: - > > > > Terms of Service. > > > Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 दक्षिनमुर्थ्य् Somaskandha सोमस्कन्ध Pitkchadanar पित्क्चदनर् In most of the South Indian temples, we can see all the five suprems in a Shiva temple. All the five characteristics in a single face is said to be Sadashiva. Œiva is not limited to the personal characteristics as he is given in many images and can transcend all attributes. Hence, Œiva is often worshipped in an abstract manner, as God without form, in the form of linga. This view is similar in some ways to the view of God in Semitic religions such as Islam or Judaism, which hold that God has no personal characteristics. Hindus, on the other hand, believe that God can transcend all personal characteristics yet can also have personal characteristics for the grace of the embodied human devotee. Personal characteristics are a way for the devotee to focus on God. Œiva is also described as Anaadi (without beginning/birth) and Ananta (without end/death). According to the Bhagavata Purana, Lord Œiva manifested in his multiple forms from the forehead of Lord Brahma. When Lord Brahma asked his sons, the Four Kumaras, to go forth and create progeny in the universe, they refused. This angered Lord Brahma and in his anger a child appeared from his forehead, which split into two - a male part and a female part. The male half started crying inconsolable and as a result, Brahma named him Rudra. The child cried seven more times and each time Brahma gave him a separate name. The eight names thus given to the child were Rudra, Sharva, Bhava, Ugra, Bhima, Pashupati, Ishana, and Mahadeva. Each of these eight names are said to be associated with specific elements of the cosmos, namely the earth, water, fire, wind, sky, a yogi called Kshetragya, the sun, and the moon respectively. This male child became Lord Œiva, who was asked to go forth and create progeny, but when Lord Brahma observed the power, as they shared the qualities of Lord Œiva, he asked him to observe austerities instead of creating progeny. A slightly different version is told in the Shiva Purana: in the Œiva Purana, Œiva promises Brahma that an aspect of his, Rudra, will be born and this aspect is identical to Him. The tale about Lord Œiva being born and immediately splitting into two halves of male and female indicates the origin of the Ardhanarishvara - the union of substance and energy, the Being and his Shakti (force). Œiva is the supreme God of Œaivism, one of the three main branches of Hinduism today (the others being Vaishnavism and Shaktism). His abode is called Kailasa. His holy mount (Skt: Vahana) is Nandi, the Bull. His attendant is named Bhadra. Œiva is usually represented by the Œiva linga (or lingam), usually depicted as a clay mound with three horizontal stripes on it, or visualised as a flaming pillar. In anthropomorphised images, he is generally represented as immersed in deep meditation on Mount Kailash (reputed to be the same as the Mount Kailash in the south of Tibet, near Manasarovar Lake) in the Himalaya, his traditional abode. Jiyo cricket on India cricket Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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