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It's a funny thought. In Buddhism Shiva the Great Deva isn't so much worshipped

as God as merely propitiated as a protector or benefactor. To dwell overmuch on

God as separate from oneself is to still be engaging in maya as an observable

phenomenon. There is in fact no observer and no observed. If you look deeper

and deeper into anything you ultimately find...nothing. Such reality really

should make one smile.

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elaeocarpaceae2003

Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:15 PM

Lord Shiva

 

 

Dear Group,

 

It costs a lot to worship Lord Shiva; it costs even more so not to do

so.

 

Barbara

 

 

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Hi Kirk.

 

Well, I'm not a Buddhist, and one can be a devotee of Lord Shiva, maya or not.

Barbara

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Kirk

Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:06 PM

Re: Lord Shiva

 

 

It's a funny thought. In Buddhism Shiva the Great Deva isn't so much

worshipped as God as merely propitiated as a protector or benefactor. To dwell

overmuch on God as separate from oneself is to still be engaging in maya as an

observable phenomenon. There is in fact no observer and no observed. If you

look deeper and deeper into anything you ultimately find...nothing. Such reality

really should make one smile.

-

elaeocarpaceae2003

Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:15 PM

Lord Shiva

 

 

Dear Group,

 

It costs a lot to worship Lord Shiva; it costs even more so not to do

so.

 

Barbara

 

 

Sponsor

 

 

 

To send an email to:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sponsor

 

 

 

To send an email to:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes of course.

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Barbara J. Spencer

Sunday, May 04, 2003 9:51 PM

Re: Lord Shiva

 

 

Hi Kirk.

 

Well, I'm not a Buddhist, and one can be a devotee of Lord Shiva, maya or not.

Barbara

-

Kirk

Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:06 PM

Re: Lord Shiva

 

 

It's a funny thought. In Buddhism Shiva the Great Deva isn't so much

worshipped as God as merely propitiated as a protector or benefactor. To dwell

overmuch on God as separate from oneself is to still be engaging in maya as an

observable phenomenon. There is in fact no observer and no observed. If you

look deeper and deeper into anything you ultimately find...nothing. Such reality

really should make one smile.

-

elaeocarpaceae2003

Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:15 PM

Lord Shiva

 

 

Dear Group,

 

It costs a lot to worship Lord Shiva; it costs even more so not to do

so.

 

Barbara

 

 

Sponsor

 

 

 

To send an email to:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sponsor

 

 

 

To send an email to:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sponsor

 

 

 

 

 

To send an email to:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi.

 

Check the website which I did post. There should be a way to contact them on

that.

If not, let me know and I'll look around for it.

 

 

In a message dated 5/5/2003 3:21:29 PM Central Daylight Time, barbjs

writes:

 

> Dear Kantikakini,

>

> Thank you for you message. Do you have the email of Amba House Ashram in

> Los Angeles for me. Just can't get with the Formless. I used to do for a

> while the 1000 Names of Lalita every (well almost every) day. Barbara

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Barbaraji and Mr. Kirk:

 

There is an Ashram in Los Angeles called Amba House.

www.ambahouse.org

They offer these extremely wonderful Correspondence Courses on

various Vedic texts for free by email or regular mail.

 

Was reading my latest Lesson on the Lalitasahasranama and came upon

something that reminded me of what the two of you had been talking

about.

 

The Synchronicity was so obvious I felt I should share some of what

was said.

 

It was explained that the entire process of Creation and all of the

aspects of the Divine are within us.

 

"When a jeeva is in need of outward need of worship, the aspect of

the Divine with attributes takes precedence.

When there is the inward need, the contemplation on the formless

takes the forefront.

 

Both are Divine and free of all possible limitations, attachments,

deficiencies and constraints"

 

I think it was the Dalai Lama who said that any Path that causes a

person to acquire a good heart is a Valid Path.

 

Om Namah Shivaya

Kanti

 

, "Kirk"

<kirk_bernhardt@c...> wrote:

> Yes of course.

> -

> Barbara J. Spencer

>

> Sunday, May 04, 2003 9:51 PM

> Re: Lord Shiva

>

>

> Hi Kirk.

>

> Well, I'm not a Buddhist, and one can be a devotee of Lord Shiva,

maya or not. Barbara

> -

> Kirk

>

> Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:06 PM

> Re: Lord Shiva

>

>

> It's a funny thought. In Buddhism Shiva the Great Deva isn't

so much worshipped as God as merely propitiated as a protector or

benefactor. To dwell overmuch on God as separate from oneself is to

still be engaging in maya as an observable phenomenon. There is in

fact no observer and no observed. If you look deeper and deeper into

anything you ultimately find...nothing. Such reality really should

make one smile.

> -

> elaeocarpaceae2003

>

> Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:15 PM

> Lord Shiva

>

>

> Dear Group,

>

> It costs a lot to worship Lord Shiva; it costs even more so

not to do

> so.

>

> Barbara

>

>

> Sponsor

>

>

>

> To send an email to: -

 

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

> Sponsor

>

>

>

> To send an email to: -

 

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

> Sponsor

>

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to: -

 

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

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Dear Kantikakini,

 

Thank you for you message. Do you have the email of Amba House Ashram in Los

Angeles for me. Just can't get with the Formless. I used to do for a while the

1000 Names of Lalita every (well almost every) day. Barbara

-

kantikakini

Monday, May 05, 2003 11:07 AM

Re: Lord Shiva

 

 

Dear Barbaraji and Mr. Kirk:

 

There is an Ashram in Los Angeles called Amba House.

www.ambahouse.org

They offer these extremely wonderful Correspondence Courses on

various Vedic texts for free by email or regular mail.

 

Was reading my latest Lesson on the Lalitasahasranama and came upon

something that reminded me of what the two of you had been talking

about.

 

The Synchronicity was so obvious I felt I should share some of what

was said.

 

It was explained that the entire process of Creation and all of the

aspects of the Divine are within us.

 

"When a jeeva is in need of outward need of worship, the aspect of

the Divine with attributes takes precedence.

When there is the inward need, the contemplation on the formless

takes the forefront.

 

Both are Divine and free of all possible limitations, attachments,

deficiencies and constraints"

 

I think it was the Dalai Lama who said that any Path that causes a

person to acquire a good heart is a Valid Path.

 

Om Namah Shivaya

Kanti

 

, "Kirk"

<kirk_bernhardt@c...> wrote:

> Yes of course.

> -

> Barbara J. Spencer

>

> Sunday, May 04, 2003 9:51 PM

> Re: Lord Shiva

>

>

> Hi Kirk.

>

> Well, I'm not a Buddhist, and one can be a devotee of Lord Shiva,

maya or not. Barbara

> -

> Kirk

>

> Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:06 PM

> Re: Lord Shiva

>

>

> It's a funny thought. In Buddhism Shiva the Great Deva isn't

so much worshipped as God as merely propitiated as a protector or

benefactor. To dwell overmuch on God as separate from oneself is to

still be engaging in maya as an observable phenomenon. There is in

fact no observer and no observed. If you look deeper and deeper into

anything you ultimately find...nothing. Such reality really should

make one smile.

> -

> elaeocarpaceae2003

>

> Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:15 PM

> Lord Shiva

>

>

> Dear Group,

>

> It costs a lot to worship Lord Shiva; it costs even more so

not to do

> so.

>

> Barbara

>

>

> Sponsor

>

>

>

> To send an email to: -

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

> Sponsor

>

>

>

> To send an email to: -

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

> Sponsor

>

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to: -

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

 

 

Sponsor

 

 

 

To send an email to:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Barb, Regarding your post on the expense of worship, I thought I'd share my

own thoughts regarding the objects of ritual. Having recently just spent an

insane (for me) amount of money on rudrakshas I started thinking about the

dangers of the physical culture of spirituality. For myself, I have specific

conditions and situations for which I am hoping to get assistance, but I can see

the distraction of overreliance on materiality in worship and healing,

especially if your purpose in worship is self-realization. I am sure that

God/Gods would never want you to harm yourself financially in your reverence of

them, and that a simple picture or even a mental picture of your diety,

be-decked with imaginary or real flowers, into which you pour your heart-felt

love with great focus and concentration is worth far more to your own

development and to the gods than the loveliest be-jeweled shrine in the world.

I personally get much further in meditation when I am done the physical rituals

of my little pujas and act only in my mind, as the physical acts somehow

distract me to some degree. Initially, they helped me focus myself on the

actions at hand, but I get much better focus (and presumably progress towards

self-realization) when I act only in my mind. Hope these thoughts are of

service! take care,elizabeth

 

 

 

The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

 

 

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Dear Shehoss,

 

Thanks for your message.

 

I also spent a lot for a 14 mukhi Rudraksah, but I did not do it for myself. I

bought it because it gives Moksah to the preceding generation, and I wanted to

assure my dead mother's moksha. She had a very hard time in childbirth with me

and was atheistic. If Lord Shiva will liberated her because I buy one 14 mukhi

bead, that is fine with me. It will save her countless years of suffering.

Barbara

-

shehoss

Monday, May 05, 2003 10:59 PM

re: lord shiva

 

 

Dear Barb, Regarding your post on the expense of worship, I thought I'd share

my own thoughts regarding the objects of ritual. Having recently just spent an

insane (for me) amount of money on rudrakshas I started thinking about the

dangers of the physical culture of spirituality. For myself, I have specific

conditions and situations for which I am hoping to get assistance, but I can see

the distraction of overreliance on materiality in worship and healing,

especially if your purpose in worship is self-realization. I am sure that

God/Gods would never want you to harm yourself financially in your reverence of

them, and that a simple picture or even a mental picture of your diety,

be-decked with imaginary or real flowers, into which you pour your heart-felt

love with great focus and concentration is worth far more to your own

development and to the gods than the loveliest be-jeweled shrine in the world.

I personally get much further in meditation when I am

The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

 

 

 

Sponsor

 

 

 

 

To send an email to:

 

 

 

 

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The courses are wonderful and so is the community there. :-)

 

In a message dated 5/6/2003 6:25:20 PM Central Daylight Time, barbjs

writes:

 

> Dear Kantikakini,

>

> I have contacted Amba House regarding their email courses. Thanks. Barbara

> -

> kantikakini

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Kantikakini,

 

I have contacted Amba House regarding their email courses. Thanks. Barbara

-

kantikakini

Monday, May 05, 2003 11:07 AM

Re: Lord Shiva

 

 

Dear Barbaraji and Mr. Kirk:

 

There is an Ashram in Los Angeles called Amba House.

www.ambahouse.org

They offer these extremely wonderful Correspondence Courses on

various Vedic texts for free by email or regular mail.

 

Was reading my latest Lesson on the Lalitasahasranama and came upon

something that reminded me of what the two of you had been talking

about.

 

The Synchronicity was so obvious I felt I should share some of what

was said.

 

It was explained that the entire process of Creation and all of the

aspects of the Divine are within us.

 

"When a jeeva is in need of outward need of worship, the aspect of

the Divine with attributes takes precedence.

When there is the inward need, the contemplation on the formless

takes the forefront.

 

Both are Divine and free of all possible limitations, attachments,

deficiencies and constraints"

 

I think it was the Dalai Lama who said that any Path that causes a

person to acquire a good heart is a Valid Path.

 

Om Namah Shivaya

Kanti

 

, "Kirk"

<kirk_bernhardt@c...> wrote:

> Yes of course.

> -

> Barbara J. Spencer

>

> Sunday, May 04, 2003 9:51 PM

> Re: Lord Shiva

>

>

> Hi Kirk.

>

> Well, I'm not a Buddhist, and one can be a devotee of Lord Shiva,

maya or not. Barbara

> -

> Kirk

>

> Sunday, May 04, 2003 6:06 PM

> Re: Lord Shiva

>

>

> It's a funny thought. In Buddhism Shiva the Great Deva isn't

so much worshipped as God as merely propitiated as a protector or

benefactor. To dwell overmuch on God as separate from oneself is to

still be engaging in maya as an observable phenomenon. There is in

fact no observer and no observed. If you look deeper and deeper into

anything you ultimately find...nothing. Such reality really should

make one smile.

> -

> elaeocarpaceae2003

>

> Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:15 PM

> Lord Shiva

>

>

> Dear Group,

>

> It costs a lot to worship Lord Shiva; it costs even more so

not to do

> so.

>

> Barbara

>

>

> Sponsor

>

>

>

> To send an email to: -

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

> Sponsor

>

>

>

> To send an email to: -

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

> Sponsor

>

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to: -

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

 

 

Sponsor

 

 

 

To send an email to:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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दक्षिनमुर्थ्य्

Somaskandha सोमस्कन्ध

Pitkchadanar

पित्क्चदनर्

In most of the South Indian temples, we can see all the five suprems in a Shiva

temple. All the five characteristics in a single face is said to be Sadashiva.

Œiva is not limited to the personal characteristics as he is given in many

images and can transcend all attributes. Hence, Œiva is often worshipped in an

abstract manner, as God without form, in the form of linga. This view is

similar in some ways to the view of God in Semitic religions such as Islam or

Judaism, which hold that God has no personal characteristics. Hindus, on the

other hand, believe that God can transcend all personal characteristics yet can

also have personal characteristics for the grace of the embodied human

devotee. Personal characteristics are a way for the devotee to focus on God.

Œiva is also described as Anaadi (without beginning/birth) and Ananta (without

end/death). According to the Bhagavata Purana, Lord Œiva manifested in his

multiple forms from the forehead of Lord Brahma. When Lord Brahma asked his

sons, the Four Kumaras, to go forth and create progeny in the universe, they

refused. This angered Lord Brahma and in his anger a child appeared from his

forehead, which split into two - a male part and a female part. The male half

started crying inconsolable and as a result, Brahma named him Rudra. The child

cried seven more times and each time Brahma gave him a separate name. The eight

names thus given to the child were Rudra, Sharva, Bhava, Ugra, Bhima, Pashupati,

Ishana, and Mahadeva. Each of these eight names are said to be associated with

specific elements of the cosmos, namely the earth, water, fire, wind, sky, a

yogi called Kshetragya, the sun, and the

moon respectively. This male child became Lord Œiva, who was asked to go forth

and create progeny, but when Lord Brahma observed the power, as they shared the

qualities of Lord Œiva, he asked him to observe austerities instead of creating

progeny. A slightly different version is told in the Shiva Purana: in the Œiva

Purana, Œiva promises Brahma that an aspect of his, Rudra, will be born and

this aspect is identical to Him. The tale about Lord Œiva being born and

immediately splitting into two halves of male and female indicates the origin

of the Ardhanarishvara - the union of substance and energy, the Being and his

Shakti (force). Œiva is the supreme God of Œaivism, one of the three main

branches of Hinduism today (the others being Vaishnavism and Shaktism). His

abode is called Kailasa. His holy mount (Skt: Vahana) is Nandi, the Bull. His

attendant is named Bhadra. Œiva is usually represented by the Œiva linga (or

lingam), usually depicted as a clay

mound with three horizontal stripes on it, or visualised as a flaming pillar. In

anthropomorphised images, he is generally represented as immersed in deep

meditation on Mount Kailash (reputed to be the same as the Mount Kailash in the

south of Tibet, near Manasarovar Lake) in the Himalaya, his traditional abode.

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