It is believed that blue sapphires will change color to warn against an enemy's attack, true?

February 24, 2006

font-family:Mangal">read somewhere that “It is believed

that blue sapphires will change color to warn against an enemy’s attack”,

is this true and what is the color change to? it is very interesting to me!!

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Iowa City, IA 52240

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February 25, 2006

As far as I know, the heated stones show such change while the original ones are

known to maintain their color during all kinda circumstances.

Vish

On 2/24/06, Raja Gursahani <rajagursahani > wrote:

read somewhere that "It is believed that blue sapphires will change color to

warn against an enemy's attack", is this true and what is the color change to?

it is very interesting to me!!

namaskar,

____________________________

Raja Gursahani

312 E Burlington St. #10

Iowa City, IA 52240(314) 761-3134 Cell

rajagursahani

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Yellow sapphire

Conch shell

Blue sapphires

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February 25, 2006

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Vish,

Namaste

Not from

my experience. I have had reports from several when they have met with negative

people at meetings or conferences and their gemstone have turned a cloudy. When

this happens, one requires a new one. Just remember that gemstones have that

ability to absorb so much negativity.

Seeing the

original title, it also confirms that a gemstone should be worn round the neck.

After all, why would we allow an enemy to see what we are wearing so that they

know which ones maybe our functional malefics and one maybe prone to an attack.

Atharva Veda has a prayer to offer to the mani before installing to help in

such attacks. According to the hints from the prayer, the gemstone has the

ability to nullify the 53 types of such abhichara.

Love,

Swee

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Saturday, February 25, 2006

4:07 PM

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Re: It

is believed that blue sapphires will change color to warn against an enemy's

attack, true?

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12.0pt">Well Raja

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12.0pt">As far as I know, the heated stones show such change while the original

ones are known to maintain their color during all kinda circumstances.

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12.0pt">Vish

On 2/24/06, Raja

Gursahani <rajagursahani >

wrote:

read

somewhere that "It is believed that blue sapphires will

change color to warn against an enemy's attack", is this true and what is

the color change to? it is very interesting to me!!

namaskar,

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St. #10

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(314)

761-3134 Cell

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February 25, 2006

Well, thanks for your words and guidance. Actually, I have been attending a lot

of courses on Gem Stones for the past few years. As per gemology, which I think

has specific say in choosing the appropriate gem/stone, people use to heat the

stones for getting appropriate color. This also helps them in selling the

stones at highter costs. I do admit that Gem/Stones provide support and help

to the native but at the same time fading of the color can not be termed as

swallowing of the malefic impact by the worn gem/stone. I am dealing with

gem/stones for the past few years and prefer to fetch from the

manufacturers/big whole-salers (Jaipur, India). Till date no stone has been

reported to get faded even under worst circumstances. Further, this fading of

gems has only to do with Blue Sapphire and Yellow Sapphire as such prices of

these stones depend much upon their color. Other gems like Emerald, Ruby,

Diamond, Hassonite has less to do with the fading business. Some People still

use a green color oil for Emerald but it can be made out very easily by putting

the stone in water for 2-3 days. In addition to this, a number of sellers were

found to be selling Mozonite in place of Diamond and the difference is very

difficult to make even by experienced persons.

As far as wearing of stone is concerned, there are different views and concepts

about it. But it really matters a little where you wear the stone; in finger or

in neck.

Best wishes

Vish

On 2/25/06, Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Vish,

Namaste

Not from my experience. I have had reports from several when they have met with

negative people at meetings or conferences and their gemstone have turned a

cloudy. When this happens, one requires a new one. Just remember that gemstones

have that ability to absorb so much negativity.

Seeing the original title, it also confirms that a gemstone should be worn round

the neck. After all, why would we allow an enemy to see what we are wearing so

that they know which ones maybe our functional malefics and one maybe prone to

an attack. Atharva Veda has a prayer to offer to the mani before installing to

help in such attacks. According to the hints from the prayer, the gemstone has

the ability to nullify the 53 types of such abhichara.

Love,

Swee

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On Behalf Of vish rajSaturday, February 25, 2006 4:07 PM

sacred-objectsSubject: Re: It is believed that

blue sapphires will change color to warn against an enemy's attack, true?

Well Raja

As far as I know, the heated stones show such change while the original ones are

known to maintain their color during all kinda circumstances.

Vish

On 2/24/06, Raja Gursahani <

rajagursahani > wrote:

read somewhere that "It is believed that blue sapphires will change color to

warn against an enemy's attack", is this true and what is the color change to?

it is very interesting to me!!

namaskar,

____________________________

Raja Gursahani

312 E Burlington St. #10

Iowa City, IA 52240(314) 761-3134 Cell rajagursahani

9;s eye

Bona fide

Yellow sapphire

Conch shell

Blue sapphires

Visit your group "sacred-objects

" on the web.

sacred-objects

9;s eye

Bona fide

Yellow sapphire

Conch shell

Blue sapphires

Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web.

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February 26, 2006

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Vish,

Namaste

You have

brought up some salient points in as far as gemstones are concerned. The

standard practice is that a gemstone should come with a certificate stating

that it is natural – “N” where ALL jyotish quality gemstones

are concerned.

In your

first discussion, we talked about a gemstone turning cloudy. I am yet to see

that it changes back to “normal” even after cleansing with mantras

etc. (we are still on the “N” category).

I have

also yet to see an N category BS and YS colours fading! You are perhaps talking

of the diffused ones which are NOT in the “N” category. Right?

As for a

Zambian emerald (which most of Jaipur gets its materials from), they cannot, I

repeat, cannot be oiled (it makes no difference to the gemstone even if you oil

them except for the Columbian ones of course) and is one of the reasons why

most of the market prefers a Zambian emerald to a Columbian emerald where

treatments are given in situ to the roughs.

………speaking

from a 3rd generation experience in gemstones and 41 years of experience.

Love,

Swee

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[sacred-objects] On Behalf Of vish raj

Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:21

AM

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Re: It

is believed that blue sapphires will change color to warn against an enemy's

attack, true?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Swee Chan

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Well, thanks for your words and guidance. Actually, I have been

attending a lot of courses on Gem Stones for the past few years. As per

gemology, which I think has specific say in choosing the appropriate gem/stone,

people use to heat the stones for getting appropriate color. This also

helps them in selling the stones at highter costs. I do admit that

Gem/Stones provide support and help to the native but at the same time fading

of the color can not be termed as swallowing of the malefic impact by the worn

gem/stone. I am dealing with gem/stones for the past few

years and prefer to fetch from the manufacturers/big

whole-salers (Jaipur, India). Till date no stone

has been reported to get faded even under worst circumstances. Further,

this fading of gems has only to do with Blue Sapphire and Yellow Sapphire as

such prices of these stones depend much upon their color. Other gems like

Emerald, Ruby, Diamond, Hassonite has less to do with the fading

business. Some People still use a green color oil for Emerald but it can

be made out very easily by putting the stone in water for 2-3 days. In

addition to this, a number of sellers were found to be selling Mozonite in

place of Diamond and the difference is very difficult to make even by

experienced persons.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">As far as wearing of stone is concerned, there are different

views and concepts about it. But it really matters a little where you

wear the stone; in finger or in neck.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Best wishes

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Vish

On 2/25/06, Swee

Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm>

wrote:

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:green">Jaya Jagannatha

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12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:green">Dear Vish,

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:green">Namaste

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:green">

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:green">Not from my experience. I

have had reports from several when they have met with negative people at

meetings or conferences and their gemstone have turned a cloudy. When this

happens, one requires a new one. Just remember that gemstones have that ability

to absorb so much negativity.

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:green">

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:green">Seeing the original title,

it also confirms that a gemstone should be worn round the neck. After all, why

would we allow an enemy to see what we are wearing so that they know which ones

maybe our functional malefics and one maybe prone to an attack. Atharva Veda

has a prayer to offer to the mani before installing to help in such attacks.

According to the hints from the prayer, the gemstone has the ability to nullify

the 53 types of such abhichara.

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:green">

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:green">Love,

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:green">Swee

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On Behalf Of vish raj

Saturday, February 25, 2006

4:07 PM

sacred-objects

Re: It

is believed that blue sapphires will change color to warn against an enemy's

attack, true?

Well Raja

As far as

I know, the heated stones show such change while the original ones are known to

maintain their color during all kinda circumstances.

Vish

On

2/24/06, Raja Gursahani < rajagursahani >

wrote:

read

somewhere that "It is believed that blue sapphires will

change color to warn against an enemy's attack", is this true and what is

the color change to? it is very interesting to me!!

namaskar,

font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">____________________________

font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">Raja Gursahani

color:navy;font-weight:bold">

312 E Burlington

St. #10

Iowa City, IA 52240

(314)

761-3134 Cell

rajagursahani

9;s eye

Bona fide

Yellow sapphire

Conch shell

Blue sapphires

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LINKS

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Yellow sapphire

Conch shell

Blue sapphires

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February 27, 2006

Please read my comments in CAPS appended below your message.

And Thanks for your time and patience. I believe more in learning as against

arguing and I will try to learn whatever knowledge I can have from your

experience.

On 2/26/06, Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Vish,

Namaste

You have brought up some salient points in as far as gemstones are concerned.

The standard practice is that a gemstone should come with a certificate stating

that it is natural – "N" where ALL jyotish quality gemstones are concerned.

WHATEVER I MENTIONED WAS BASED UPON MY EXPERIENCE IN DELHI, INDIA. IT HAPPENS

VERY RARELY HERE THAT THE CERTIFICATES ARE ANNEXED WITH THE STONE-SOLD BY

RETAILER/JEWELLER ETC. PERHAPS HERE PEOPLE ARE DEALING ON THE BASIS OF TRUST

RATHER THAN ABSOLUTE CERTIFICATION. IT IS SO BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ADOPTING THIS

PROFESSION (JEMS/STONE SELLING/PURCHASING) ON THE BASIS OF MARGIN THEY CAN

FETCH. IT HAS ALSO BEEN OBSERVED BY ME, IN DELHI-INDIA, THAT EVEN THOSE

PERSONS HAVING A VERY MINIMAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT GEMS/STONES ARE DOING THE

BUSINESS MERELY ON THE BASIS OF SOME GENERAL KNOWLEDGE OBTAINED FROM FRIEND

CIRCLE ETC. EVEN PEOPLE AVOID ASKING FOR CERTIFICATE IN GENERAL. AROUND 90 PER

CENT OF THE GEMS/STONE TRANSACTED FOR ASTROLOGICAL PURPOSE ARE OF LOW QUALITY

AND OPAQUE COSTING BELOW RS 3000/- WHILE THE MINIMAL CHARGES FOR GETTING THEM

CERTIFIED FROM THE LABORATORY COSTS AROUND 500/-. THIS IS ALSO A REASON PEOPLE

AVOID CERTIFICATION. FURTHER, THERE IS ONLY ONE AUTHORIZED GOVT. LABORATORY IN

DELHI WHILE ONE OR TWO PRIVATE LABORATORIES; AND PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY NOT AWARE

OF THIS.

In your first discussion, we talked about a gemstone turning cloudy. I am yet to

see that it changes back to "normal" even after cleansing with mantras etc. (we

are still on the "N" category).

WITH DUE REGARD, I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THAT CLEANSING WITH MANTRAS IS NOT

APPROPRIATE TERM IN THIS REGARD. THERE ARE THREE STAGES USED PRIOR TO WEARING

OF A GEM/STONE:

PROCESS OF CLEANING THE GEM: It deals with physical cleaning of the gem/stone

and various procedures are provided in Ancient Texts for cleaning of different

Gems. For example Coral is to be cleaned with Fane of

Ritha ( a herbal product used for cleaning of clothes and hair), Pearl to

required to be cleaned with pure cow milk or Ganga river Holy water etc. This

process tackles with the physical dirt that may have influenced the stone

through various stages of physical dealing.

PROCESS OF SHUDDI-KARAN (SORRY I DON'T HAVE ANY ENGLISH WORD FOR THIS): This

process deals with generating the inherited piousness of the Gem/Stone in

connection with the Planet concerned. The process requires an appropriate

Muhurta for getting the stone carved in ring/necklage (as may be the case) and

placing the stone at sacred place along with the herbs related to that

Gem/Stone. For example, in case of Coral, one has to get the ring/necklage

prepared during appropriate Muhuruta and then place it in the Home-temple (or

some other pious place) for 2-3 days along with Sindoor. This process

generates the inherited piousness of Coral related to planet Mars.

PROCESS OF SIDHHI-KARAN (SORRY I DO NOT HAVE ANY ENGLISH WORD EVEN FOR THIS -

LoL): This is the last procedure required before wearing of the stone/gem.

During an elected Muhurta, the Gem/Stone, kept at pious place for 2-3 days

(depending upon the circumstances), is now required to be made more effective

and power-ful with the chanting of appropriate Mantra. The number of Chanting

depends upon the placement/strength of the planet concerned as well as the

quality of the Gem/Stone being used.

As far as, the color changing of the stone is concerned, in my opinion (I may be

wrong or with less knowledge/experience which I would like to improve under your

guidance and support, if required), this has nothing to do with chanting of

Mantras and/or wearing of the stone during different times. If a Gem/Stone is

been given any kind of treatment, the subject stone will surely come in its

original state within some period after it was worn by the native. In

India-Delhi, sellers, in order to avoid any questioning over the quality of the

stone, try to convince people that changing of the color mean the Stone is

actually working. But as per my knowledge, it is not correct. Some time back,

I attended another Course on Gem Stones organized by FICCI - Delhi, wherein I

was able to clear my doubt in this regard. So it may happen that the person

who was giving the lecture may not be much aware of the actual facts; but I

have no other option then to depend upon it until and unless I have some

different experience.

I have also yet to see an N category BS and YS colours fading! You are perhaps

talking of the diffused ones which are NOT in the "N" category. Right?

As for a Zambian emerald (which most of Jaipur gets its materials from), they

cannot, I repeat, cannot be oiled (it makes no difference to the gemstone even

if you oil them except for the Columbian ones of course) and is one of the

reasons why most of the market prefers a Zambian emerald to a Columbian emerald

where treatments are given in situ to the roughs.

This I know and I admit that not all Emeralds can be Oiled and therefore, I use

the term Emerald in place of specifically indicating the place of Origin.

………speaking from a 3rd generation experience in gemstones and 41 years of experience.

Sir/Madam, I respect your experience and knowledge and would like to learn.

Thanks and regards.

Vish

Love,

Swee

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Re: It is believed that blue sapphires will change

color to warn against an enemy's attack, true?

Dear Swee Chan