Lal Kitab is definately an astrological treaties.

March 13, 2006

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March 13, 2006

Dear Friend,

Let me tell you some views of very learned astrologers about Lal

Kitab. First of all its origin. There is no record as to its origin

or who wrote it.

Second it is not logical and sequential like astological inputs. Its

data is varied and mostly carries remedies which also have no

significance as such. Most of the data is not only illogical but

completely makes fun of a salient brain.

Some more interesting facts for you. Lal kitab is often read or used

when someone runs under Rahu's period. I do not want to tell you

what is the significance of Rahu over here. I know you know about

it. Ask Mr. Raghunath Rao or Mr.Sanjay Rath. They can tell you more

about it.

Please do not mind but getting the right predictions does not mean

that you are a good astrologer. I have seen that even Charlatans

perform this art very well. Astrology to be very precise is a highly

evolved science. It requires pin pointed logics and hard grounds.

Have you heard about Reiki. It is very prevelant in India. An eight

year old girl called eleven Reiki grand masters to a place and

proved that what ever they were doing was not only false but their

claims were all wrong. Now even if i tell people that Reiki will not

help them, i will not be able to shatter their hopes. This is

because Thugs and Charlatans have outshined reality in such a way

that one cannot dare say anything about reality.

Dear Friend, sorry for being rude. My intention is not to hurt you.

If you understand Gemini and Parashara then never think about Lal

Kitab or such things.

Who knows there will be some Kali Kitab or Peeli Kitab one day. That

will be a new Sun for Charlatans.

A.J

sacred-objects, Ram Lubhaya Vashisth

<rlvashisth wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

> A good number of Astrologers in Punjab are using Lal

Kitab for their predictions.Although I myself rely on Prashar and

Jamini but I have seen that

> predictions of some Astrologers who use Lal Kitab had been

correct and remedies

> described in this treaties also work very well.

> Some learned members in this group are of the view that

Lal Kitab is not an

> Astrological Treaties.As such,I invite views of learned members

of this group that

> weather Lal Kitab is an Astrological Treaties or not.

>

Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer

> Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen

> Norway.

> Ph. 0047 - 32756858

>

> Mail

> Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

>

March 15, 2006

Respected Vashishtha ji,

Shri Jagawat ji has every right and freedom of rejecting the Lal

Kitab. But that doesn't effect me, or many others like me, who

consider the Lal Kitab as a part of the Vedic astrology tradition.

With naman to all gurujan.

Varun Trivedi

sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat

wrote:

>

> Dear Friend,

>

> Let me tell you some views of very learned astrologers about Lal

> Kitab. First of all its origin. There is no record as to its

origin

> or who wrote it.

>

> Second it is not logical and sequential like astological inputs.

Its

> data is varied and mostly carries remedies which also have no

> significance as such. Most of the data is not only illogical but

> completely makes fun of a salient brain.

>

> Some more interesting facts for you. Lal kitab is often read or

used

> when someone runs under Rahu's period. I do not want to tell you

> what is the significance of Rahu over here. I know you know about

> it. Ask Mr. Raghunath Rao or Mr.Sanjay Rath. They can tell you

more

> about it.

>

> Please do not mind but getting the right predictions does not mean

> that you are a good astrologer. I have seen that even Charlatans

> perform this art very well. Astrology to be very precise is a

highly

> evolved science. It requires pin pointed logics and hard grounds.

>

> Have you heard about Reiki. It is very prevelant in India. An

eight

> year old girl called eleven Reiki grand masters to a place and

> proved that what ever they were doing was not only false but their

> claims were all wrong. Now even if i tell people that Reiki will

not

> help them, i will not be able to shatter their hopes. This is

> because Thugs and Charlatans have outshined reality in such a way

> that one cannot dare say anything about reality.

>

> Dear Friend, sorry for being rude. My intention is not to hurt

you.

> If you understand Gemini and Parashara then never think about Lal

> Kitab or such things.

>

> Who knows there will be some Kali Kitab or Peeli Kitab one day.

That

> will be a new Sun for Charlatans.

>

> A.J

>

sacred-objects, Ram Lubhaya Vashisth

> <rlvashisth@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends,

> > A good number of Astrologers in Punjab are using

Lal

> Kitab for their predictions.Although I myself rely on Prashar and

> Jamini but I have seen that

> > predictions of some Astrologers who use Lal Kitab had been

> correct and remedies

> > described in this treaties also work very well.

> > Some learned members in this group are of the view

that

> Lal Kitab is not an

> > Astrological Treaties.As such,I invite views of learned

members

> of this group that

> > weather Lal Kitab is an Astrological Treaties or not.

> >

> > Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer

> > Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen

> > Norway.

> > Ph. 0047 - 32756858

> >

> > Mail

> > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

> >

>

March 16, 2006

Sriman Varun,

Namaste! Your message style is a good lesson to us all.

Om svastyastu!!!

Rgds,

Richard

sacred-objects, "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Vashishtha ji,

>

> Shri Jagawat ji has every right and freedom of rejecting the Lal

> Kitab. But that doesn't effect me, or many others like me, who

> consider the Lal Kitab as a part of the Vedic astrology tradition.

>

> With naman to all gurujan.

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friend,

> >

> > Let me tell you some views of very learned astrologers about Lal

> > Kitab. First of all its origin. There is no record as to its

> origin

> > or who wrote it.

> >

> > Second it is not logical and sequential like astological inputs.

> Its

> > data is varied and mostly carries remedies which also have no

> > significance as such. Most of the data is not only illogical but

> > completely makes fun of a salient brain.

> >

> > Some more interesting facts for you. Lal kitab is often read or

> used

> > when someone runs under Rahu's period. I do not want to tell you

> > what is the significance of Rahu over here. I know you know about

> > it. Ask Mr. Raghunath Rao or Mr.Sanjay Rath. They can tell you

> more

> > about it.

> >

> > Please do not mind but getting the right predictions does not mean

> > that you are a good astrologer. I have seen that even Charlatans

> > perform this art very well. Astrology to be very precise is a

> highly

> > evolved science. It requires pin pointed logics and hard grounds.

> >

> > Have you heard about Reiki. It is very prevelant in India. An

> eight

> > year old girl called eleven Reiki grand masters to a place and

> > proved that what ever they were doing was not only false but their

> > claims were all wrong. Now even if i tell people that Reiki will

> not

> > help them, i will not be able to shatter their hopes. This is

> > because Thugs and Charlatans have outshined reality in such a way

> > that one cannot dare say anything about reality.

> >

> > Dear Friend, sorry for being rude. My intention is not to hurt

> you.

> > If you understand Gemini and Parashara then never think about Lal

> > Kitab or such things.

> >

> > Who knows there will be some Kali Kitab or Peeli Kitab one day.

> That

> > will be a new Sun for Charlatans.

> >

> > A.J

> >

> > sacred-objects, Ram Lubhaya Vashisth

> > <rlvashisth@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > > A good number of Astrologers in Punjab are using

> Lal

> > Kitab for their predictions.Although I myself rely on Prashar and

> > Jamini but I have seen that

> > > predictions of some Astrologers who use Lal Kitab had been

> > correct and remedies

> > > described in this treaties also work very well.

> > > Some learned members in this group are of the view

> that

> > Lal Kitab is not an

> > > Astrological Treaties.As such,I invite views of learned

> members

> > of this group that

> > > weather Lal Kitab is an Astrological Treaties or not.

> > >

> > > Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer

> > > Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen

> > > Norway.

> > > Ph. 0047 - 32756858

> > >

> > > Mail

> > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

> > >

> >

>

March 16, 2006

Dear Varun,

My intention is not to hurt anybody. Would you please tell me how

and why you consider Lal Kitab as a part of Vedic astrology

tradition.

Lal kitab has hardly been written in the previous century and Vedic

astrology is many centuries older.

Regards

A.J

sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"

<rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Sriman Varun,

>

> Namaste! Your message style is a good lesson to us all.

>

> Om svastyastu!!!

>

> Rgds,

> Richard

>

> sacred-objects, "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd@>

wrote:

> >

> > Respected Vashishtha ji,

> >

> > Shri Jagawat ji has every right and freedom of rejecting the Lal

> > Kitab. But that doesn't effect me, or many others like me, who

> > consider the Lal Kitab as a part of the Vedic astrology

tradition.

> >

> > With naman to all gurujan.

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friend,

> > >

> > > Let me tell you some views of very learned astrologers about

Lal

> > > Kitab. First of all its origin. There is no record as to its

> > origin

> > > or who wrote it.

> > >

> > > Second it is not logical and sequential like astological

inputs.

> > Its

> > > data is varied and mostly carries remedies which also have no

> > > significance as such. Most of the data is not only illogical

but

> > > completely makes fun of a salient brain.

> > >

> > > Some more interesting facts for you. Lal kitab is often read

or

> > used

> > > when someone runs under Rahu's period. I do not want to tell

you

> > > what is the significance of Rahu over here. I know you know

about

> > > it. Ask Mr. Raghunath Rao or Mr.Sanjay Rath. They can tell you

> > more

> > > about it.

> > >

> > > Please do not mind but getting the right predictions does not

mean

> > > that you are a good astrologer. I have seen that even

Charlatans

> > > perform this art very well. Astrology to be very precise is a

> > highly

> > > evolved science. It requires pin pointed logics and hard

grounds.

> > >

> > > Have you heard about Reiki. It is very prevelant in India. An

> > eight

> > > year old girl called eleven Reiki grand masters to a place and

> > > proved that what ever they were doing was not only false but

their

> > > claims were all wrong. Now even if i tell people that Reiki

will

> > not

> > > help them, i will not be able to shatter their hopes. This is

> > > because Thugs and Charlatans have outshined reality in such a

way

> > > that one cannot dare say anything about reality.

> > >

> > > Dear Friend, sorry for being rude. My intention is not to hurt

> > you.

> > > If you understand Gemini and Parashara then never think about

Lal

> > > Kitab or such things.

> > >

> > > Who knows there will be some Kali Kitab or Peeli Kitab one

day.

> > That

> > > will be a new Sun for Charlatans.

> > >

> > > A.J

> > >

> > > sacred-objects, Ram Lubhaya Vashisth

> > > <rlvashisth@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > > A good number of Astrologers in Punjab are

using

> > Lal

> > > Kitab for their predictions.Although I myself rely on Prashar

and

> > > Jamini but I have seen that

> > > > predictions of some Astrologers who use Lal Kitab had been

> > > correct and remedies

> > > > described in this treaties also work very well.

> > > > Some learned members in this group are of the view

> > that

> > > Lal Kitab is not an

> > > > Astrological Treaties.As such,I invite views of learned

> > members

> > > of this group that

> > > > weather Lal Kitab is an Astrological Treaties or not.

> > > >

> > > > Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer

> > > > Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen

> > > > Norway.

> > > > Ph. 0047 - 32756858

> > > >

> > > > Mail

> > > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 16, 2006

the Vedic astrology tradition.> > With naman to all gurujan.> > Varun Trivedi> >

> > > > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat@> >

wrote:> >> > Dear Friend,> > > > Let me tell you some views of very learned

astrologers about Lal > > Kitab. First of all its origin. There is no record as

to its > origin > > or who wrote it.> > > > Second it is not logical and

sequential like astological inputs. > Its > > data is varied and mostly carries

remedies which also have no > > significance as such. Most of the data is not

only illogical but > > completely makes fun of a salient brain. > > > > Some

more interesting facts for you. Lal kitab is often read or > used > > when

someone runs under Rahu's

period. I do not want to tell you > > what is the significance of Rahu over

here. I know you know about > > it. Ask Mr. Raghunath Rao or Mr.Sanjay Rath.

They can tell you > more > > about it.> > > > Please do not mind but getting

the right predictions does not mean > > that you are a good astrologer. I have

seen that even Charlatans > > perform this art very well. Astrology to be very

precise is a > highly > > evolved science. It requires pin pointed logics and

hard grounds.> > > > Have you heard about Reiki. It is very prevelant in India.

An > eight > > year old girl called eleven Reiki grand masters to a place and >

> proved that what ever they were doing was not only false but their > > claims

were all wrong. Now even if i tell people that Reiki will > not > > help them, i

will not be able to shatter their hopes.

This is > > because Thugs and Charlatans have outshined reality in such a way >

> that one cannot dare say anything about reality.> > > > Dear Friend, sorry

for being rude. My intention is not to hurt > you. > > If you understand Gemini

and Parashara then never think about Lal > > Kitab or such things.> > > > Who

knows there will be some Kali Kitab or Peeli Kitab one day. > That > > will be

a new Sun for Charlatans.> > > > A.J> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---

In sacred-objects, Ram Lubhaya Vashisth > > <rlvashisth@>

wrote:> > >> > > Dear friends,> > > A good number of Astrologers

in Punjab are using

> Lal > > Kitab for their predictions.Although I myself rely on Prashar and > >

Jamini but I have seen that> > > predictions of some Astrologers who use Lal

Kitab had been > > correct and remedies> > > described in this treaties also

work very well.> > > Some learned members in this group are of the

view > that > > Lal Kitab is not an> > > Astrological Treaties.As such,I

invite views of learned > members > > of this group that> > > weather Lal

Kitab is an Astrological Treaties or not. > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer > > > Briskeveien - 15,

Vestofossen > > > Norway. > > > Ph. 0047 - 32756858> > > > > >

> > > Mail> > > Bring photos to life!

New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.> > >> >>Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth,

Astrologer Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen Norway. Ph. 0047 - 32756858

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March 17, 2006

As far as, I have been able to understood the Lal Kitab; it basically focus at

the propitiation/remedial part of astrology as against the analysis of the

chart. I have also experienced/observed that many an astrologers give more

importance to the remedial measures of Lal Kitab while the analysis is done on

the basis of Vedic or other form of astrology.

In fact, no methodology has been found to be capable of handling the whole

concept of Astrology independently and as a result we find various kinds of

texts (including modern and ancient) claiming to be better from each others.

While some are good at analysis the other may be better at remedial part.

Further, it also depends upon the nature/back-ground of the Astrologer. While,

most of Vedic/Jaimini astrological texts are being published in English/Other

Languages, people who are not good at English choose to learn Ancient Texts

like Lal Kitab, Sunahari Kitab (I hope some of you have heard of this Sunahari

Kitab, which is a very beautiful book on remedial measures) which are easily

available, even in local languages. Further, in todays world, publicity does

have a say and, therefore, many persons/astrologers who do not understand

Sanskrit/even Hindi, but could managed to understand some or more concepts of

Astrology through translated books; developed a habit of pointing finger at

ancient knowledge available in Hindi/Sanskrit/Local language and also become

successful because of money power. I have found astrologers suggesting to be

more careful to the native while doing manipulations/taking bribes/doing wrong

deeds. Now, how come they deserve to be treated as an Astrologer, while they

even do not qualify to be a good Human Being.

So My Dear Friends, it does not matter what techniqe one uses, what matter is

the understanding of the concept and appropriate application which can provide

justifiable relief to the native.

Good wishes to all

Vishwraj

On 3/13/06, Ram Lubhaya Vashisth <rlvashisth

> wrote:

Dear friends, A good number of Astrologers in Punjab are using Lal

Kitab for their predictions.Although I myself rely on Prashar and Jamini but I

have seen that

predictions of some Astrologers who use Lal Kitab had been correct and remedies

described in this treaties also work very well.

Some learned members in this group are of the view that Lal Kitab is not

an

Astrological Treaties.As such,I invite views of learned members of this group that

weather Lal Kitab is an Astrological Treaties or not.

Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen Norway. Ph. 0047 - 32756858

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March 17, 2006

Respected Jagawat ji,

I consider Lal Kitab as a part of the Vedic tradition of astrology ,

and you don't. My explaining to you as to why I consider it a part

of vedic tradition would be relevant only if I need convincing you

to agree with me. I have no such intentions.

You be happy with your beliefs, I am happy with mine.

With Naman to all gurujan,

Varun Trivedi

sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat

wrote:

>

> Dear Varun,

>

> My intention is not to hurt anybody. Would you please tell me how

> and why you consider Lal Kitab as a part of Vedic astrology

> tradition.

>

> Lal kitab has hardly been written in the previous century and

Vedic

> astrology is many centuries older.

>

> Regards

>

> A.J

>

sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"

> <rsbj66@> wrote:

> >

> > Sriman Varun,

> >

> > Namaste! Your message style is a good lesson to us all.

> >

> > Om svastyastu!!!

> >

> > Rgds,

> > Richard

> >

> > sacred-objects, "varun_trvd"

<varun_trvd@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Vashishtha ji,

> > >

> > > Shri Jagawat ji has every right and freedom of rejecting the

Lal

> > > Kitab. But that doesn't effect me, or many others like me, who

> > > consider the Lal Kitab as a part of the Vedic astrology

> tradition.

> > >

> > > With naman to all gurujan.

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat"

<a_jagawat@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > >

> > > > Let me tell you some views of very learned astrologers about

> Lal

> > > > Kitab. First of all its origin. There is no record as to its

> > > origin

> > > > or who wrote it.

> > > >

> > > > Second it is not logical and sequential like astological

> inputs.

> > > Its

> > > > data is varied and mostly carries remedies which also have

no

> > > > significance as such. Most of the data is not only illogical

> but

> > > > completely makes fun of a salient brain.

> > > >

> > > > Some more interesting facts for you. Lal kitab is often read

> or

> > > used

> > > > when someone runs under Rahu's period. I do not want to tell

> you

> > > > what is the significance of Rahu over here. I know you know

> about

> > > > it. Ask Mr. Raghunath Rao or Mr.Sanjay Rath. They can tell

you

> > > more

> > > > about it.

> > > >

> > > > Please do not mind but getting the right predictions does

not

> mean

> > > > that you are a good astrologer. I have seen that even

> Charlatans

> > > > perform this art very well. Astrology to be very precise is

a

> > > highly

> > > > evolved science. It requires pin pointed logics and hard

> grounds.

> > > >

> > > > Have you heard about Reiki. It is very prevelant in India.

An

> > > eight

> > > > year old girl called eleven Reiki grand masters to a place

and

> > > > proved that what ever they were doing was not only false but

> their

> > > > claims were all wrong. Now even if i tell people that Reiki

> will

> > > not

> > > > help them, i will not be able to shatter their hopes. This

is

> > > > because Thugs and Charlatans have outshined reality in such

a

> way

> > > > that one cannot dare say anything about reality.

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friend, sorry for being rude. My intention is not to

hurt

> > > you.

> > > > If you understand Gemini and Parashara then never think

about

> Lal

> > > > Kitab or such things.

> > > >

> > > > Who knows there will be some Kali Kitab or Peeli Kitab one

> day.

> > > That

> > > > will be a new Sun for Charlatans.

> > > >

> > > > A.J

> > > >

> > > > sacred-objects, Ram Lubhaya Vashisth

> > > > <rlvashisth@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > A good number of Astrologers in Punjab are

> using

> > > Lal

> > > > Kitab for their predictions.Although I myself rely on

Prashar

> and

> > > > Jamini but I have seen that

> > > > > predictions of some Astrologers who use Lal Kitab had

been

> > > > correct and remedies

> > > > > described in this treaties also work very well.

> > > > > Some learned members in this group are of the

view

> > > that

> > > > Lal Kitab is not an

> > > > > Astrological Treaties.As such,I invite views of learned

> > > members

> > > > of this group that

> > > > > weather Lal Kitab is an Astrological Treaties or not.

> > > > >

> > > > > Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer

> > > > > Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen

> > > > > Norway.

> > > > > Ph. 0047 - 32756858

> > > > >

> > > > > Mail

> > > > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a

breeze.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 17, 2006

Dear Sriman Varunji,

Namaste!!! I have always followed a number of books, such as Graha Gochar

Jyotish, and I

don't know about Lal Kitab. If you have the time please tell me a bit about it.

For

example, if a person with Cancer lagna had Saturn in the 1st aspecting exalted

Sun in the

10th --- thus causing problems... in such case what would Lal Kitab advise?

I am asking you this with a sincere desire to learn more. I have no bias.

Best rgds,

Richard

sacred-objects, "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Jagawat ji,

>

> I consider Lal Kitab as a part of the Vedic tradition of astrology ,

> and you don't. My explaining to you as to why I consider it a part

> of vedic tradition would be relevant only if I need convincing you

> to agree with me. I have no such intentions.

> You be happy with your beliefs, I am happy with mine.

>

> With Naman to all gurujan,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Varun,

> >

> > My intention is not to hurt anybody. Would you please tell me how

> > and why you consider Lal Kitab as a part of Vedic astrology

> > tradition.

> >

> > Lal kitab has hardly been written in the previous century and

> Vedic

> > astrology is many centuries older.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > A.J

> >

> > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"

> > <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sriman Varun,

> > >

> > > Namaste! Your message style is a good lesson to us all.

> > >

> > > Om svastyastu!!!

> > >

> > > Rgds,

> > > Richard

> > >

> > > sacred-objects, "varun_trvd"

> <varun_trvd@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Vashishtha ji,

> > > >

> > > > Shri Jagawat ji has every right and freedom of rejecting the

> Lal

> > > > Kitab. But that doesn't effect me, or many others like me, who

> > > > consider the Lal Kitab as a part of the Vedic astrology

> > tradition.

> > > >

> > > > With naman to all gurujan.

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat"

> <a_jagawat@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me tell you some views of very learned astrologers about

> > Lal

> > > > > Kitab. First of all its origin. There is no record as to its

> > > > origin

> > > > > or who wrote it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Second it is not logical and sequential like astological

> > inputs.

> > > > Its

> > > > > data is varied and mostly carries remedies which also have

> no

> > > > > significance as such. Most of the data is not only illogical

> > but

> > > > > completely makes fun of a salient brain.

> > > > >

> > > > > Some more interesting facts for you. Lal kitab is often read

> > or

> > > > used

> > > > > when someone runs under Rahu's period. I do not want to tell

> > you

> > > > > what is the significance of Rahu over here. I know you know

> > about

> > > > > it. Ask Mr. Raghunath Rao or Mr.Sanjay Rath. They can tell

> you

> > > > more

> > > > > about it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please do not mind but getting the right predictions does

> not

> > mean

> > > > > that you are a good astrologer. I have seen that even

> > Charlatans

> > > > > perform this art very well. Astrology to be very precise is

> a

> > > > highly

> > > > > evolved science. It requires pin pointed logics and hard

> > grounds.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have you heard about Reiki. It is very prevelant in India.

> An

> > > > eight

> > > > > year old girl called eleven Reiki grand masters to a place

> and

> > > > > proved that what ever they were doing was not only false but

> > their

> > > > > claims were all wrong. Now even if i tell people that Reiki

> > will

> > > > not

> > > > > help them, i will not be able to shatter their hopes. This

> is

> > > > > because Thugs and Charlatans have outshined reality in such

> a

> > way

> > > > > that one cannot dare say anything about reality.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friend, sorry for being rude. My intention is not to

> hurt

> > > > you.

> > > > > If you understand Gemini and Parashara then never think

> about

> > Lal

> > > > > Kitab or such things.

> > > > >

> > > > > Who knows there will be some Kali Kitab or Peeli Kitab one

> > day.

> > > > That

> > > > > will be a new Sun for Charlatans.

> > > > >

> > > > > A.J

> > > > >

> > > > > sacred-objects, Ram Lubhaya Vashisth

> > > > > <rlvashisth@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > > A good number of Astrologers in Punjab are

> > using

> > > > Lal

> > > > > Kitab for their predictions.Although I myself rely on

> Prashar

> > and

> > > > > Jamini but I have seen that

> > > > > > predictions of some Astrologers who use Lal Kitab had

> been

> > > > > correct and remedies

> > > > > > described in this treaties also work very well.

> > > > > > Some learned members in this group are of the

> view

> > > > that

> > > > > Lal Kitab is not an

> > > > > > Astrological Treaties.As such,I invite views of learned

> > > > members

> > > > > of this group that

> > > > > > weather Lal Kitab is an Astrological Treaties or not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer

> > > > > > Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen

> > > > > > Norway.

> > > > > > Ph. 0047 - 32756858

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mail

> > > > > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a

> breeze.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 17, 2006

Dear Shriman Richard ji,

Namaskar !

It may not be very prudent to analyze the effect of Saturn in the

1st house with the Sun in the 10th house without taking into

account the other planetary combinations / placements effecting this

relationship. However, taking them in isolation :

The result of the Saturn in the 1st because of the the Sun in the

10th will be, the book says, " shukra ka phal bhala na hoga,

mangal ka prabhav bhi manda hoga, mand bhagya hoga, rishtedaar bhi

dukhi" – The result of things signified by Venus will not be good ,

the effect of the things of Mars will be bad , will be less

fortunate, even the relatives too will be unhappy.

The result of the Sun in the 10th house because of the Saturn in the

1st :

Unfavorable for ancestral property, superstitious, affliction to the

eyes, loss in business of oil, iron, wood. Any relationship with in-

laws will be inauspicious. One may be learned and even if his

ancestors had been quite religious , if he goes out bare head in the

sun, he will face failures every where. He will be extremely honest,

unsparing and at times obstinate.

With Naman to all Gurujan

Varun Trivedi

sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"

<rsbj66 wrote:

>

> Dear Sriman Varunji,

>

> Namaste!!! I have always followed a number of books, such as Graha

Gochar Jyotish, and I

> don't know about Lal Kitab. If you have the time please tell me a

bit about it. For

> example, if a person with Cancer lagna had Saturn in the 1st

aspecting exalted Sun in the

> 10th --- thus causing problems... in such case what would Lal

Kitab advise?

>

> I am asking you this with a sincere desire to learn more. I have

no bias.

>

> Best rgds,

> Richard

>

> sacred-objects, "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd@>

wrote:

> >

> > Respected Jagawat ji,

> >

> > I consider Lal Kitab as a part of the Vedic tradition of

astrology ,

> > and you don't. My explaining to you as to why I consider it a

part

> > of vedic tradition would be relevant only if I need convincing

you

> > to agree with me. I have no such intentions.

> > You be happy with your beliefs, I am happy with mine.

> >

> > With Naman to all gurujan,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Varun,

> > >

> > > My intention is not to hurt anybody. Would you please tell me

how

> > > and why you consider Lal Kitab as a part of Vedic astrology

> > > tradition.

> > >

> > > Lal kitab has hardly been written in the previous century and

> > Vedic

> > > astrology is many centuries older.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > A.J

> > >

> > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"

> > > <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sriman Varun,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste! Your message style is a good lesson to us all.

> > > >

> > > > Om svastyastu!!!

> > > >

> > > > Rgds,

> > > > Richard

> > > >

> > > > sacred-objects, "varun_trvd"

> > <varun_trvd@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Vashishtha ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Jagawat ji has every right and freedom of rejecting

the

> > Lal

> > > > > Kitab. But that doesn't effect me, or many others like me,

who

> > > > > consider the Lal Kitab as a part of the Vedic astrology

> > > tradition.

> > > > >

> > > > > With naman to all gurujan.

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat"

> > <a_jagawat@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me tell you some views of very learned astrologers

about

> > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab. First of all its origin. There is no record as to

its

> > > > > origin

> > > > > > or who wrote it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Second it is not logical and sequential like astological

> > > inputs.

> > > > > Its

> > > > > > data is varied and mostly carries remedies which also

have

> > no

> > > > > > significance as such. Most of the data is not only

illogical

> > > but

> > > > > > completely makes fun of a salient brain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Some more interesting facts for you. Lal kitab is often

read

> > > or

> > > > > used

> > > > > > when someone runs under Rahu's period. I do not want to

tell

> > > you

> > > > > > what is the significance of Rahu over here. I know you

know

> > > about

> > > > > > it. Ask Mr. Raghunath Rao or Mr.Sanjay Rath. They can

tell

> > you

> > > > > more

> > > > > > about it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please do not mind but getting the right predictions

does

> > not

> > > mean

> > > > > > that you are a good astrologer. I have seen that even

> > > Charlatans

> > > > > > perform this art very well. Astrology to be very precise

is

> > a

> > > > > highly

> > > > > > evolved science. It requires pin pointed logics and hard

> > > grounds.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Have you heard about Reiki. It is very prevelant in

India.

> > An

> > > > > eight

> > > > > > year old girl called eleven Reiki grand masters to a

place

> > and

> > > > > > proved that what ever they were doing was not only false

but

> > > their

> > > > > > claims were all wrong. Now even if i tell people that

Reiki

> > > will

> > > > > not

> > > > > > help them, i will not be able to shatter their hopes.

This

> > is

> > > > > > because Thugs and Charlatans have outshined reality in

such

> > a

> > > way

> > > > > > that one cannot dare say anything about reality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friend, sorry for being rude. My intention is not

to

> > hurt

> > > > > you.

> > > > > > If you understand Gemini and Parashara then never think

> > about

> > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab or such things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Who knows there will be some Kali Kitab or Peeli Kitab

one

> > > day.

> > > > > That

> > > > > > will be a new Sun for Charlatans.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A.J

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sacred-objects, Ram Lubhaya

Vashisth

> > > > > > <rlvashisth@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > > > A good number of Astrologers in Punjab

are

> > > using

> > > > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab for their predictions.Although I myself rely on

> > Prashar

> > > and

> > > > > > Jamini but I have seen that

> > > > > > > predictions of some Astrologers who use Lal Kitab

had

> > been

> > > > > > correct and remedies

> > > > > > > described in this treaties also work very well.

> > > > > > > Some learned members in this group are of

the

> > view

> > > > > that

> > > > > > Lal Kitab is not an

> > > > > > > Astrological Treaties.As such,I invite views of

learned

> > > > > members

> > > > > > of this group that

> > > > > > > weather Lal Kitab is an Astrological Treaties or

not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer

> > > > > > > Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen

> > > > > > > Norway.

> > > > > > > Ph. 0047 - 32756858

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mail

> > > > > > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a

> > breeze.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 18, 2006

had Saturn in the 1st aspecting exalted Sun in the 10th --- thus causing

problems... in such case what would Lal Kitab advise?I am asking you this with

a sincere desire to learn more. I have no bias. Best rgds,Richard--- In

sacred-objects, "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>>

Respected Jagawat ji,> > I consider Lal Kitab as a part of the Vedic tradition

of astrology , > and you don't. My explaining to you as to why I consider it a

part > of vedic tradition would be relevant only if I need convincing you > to

agree with me. I have no such intentions.> You be happy with your beliefs, I am

happy with mine.> > With Naman to all gurujan,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > >

> sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat@> > wrote:> >>

> Dear Varun,> > > > My intention is not to hurt anybody. Would you please tell

me how > > and why you consider Lal Kitab as a part of Vedic astrology > >

tradition.> > > > Lal kitab has hardly been written in the previous century and

> Vedic > > astrology is many centuries older.> > > > Regards> > > > A.J> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects,

"Richard Shaw-Brown II" > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > >> > > Sriman Varun,> > > > > >

Namaste! Your message style is a good lesson to us all.> > > > > > Om

svastyastu!!!> > > > > > Rgds,> > > Richard> > > > > >

sacred-objects, "varun_trvd" > <varun_trvd@> > > wrote:>

> > >> > > > Respected Vashishtha ji,> > > > > > > > Shri Jagawat ji has every

right and freedom of rejecting the > Lal > > > > Kitab. But that doesn't effect

me, or many others like me, who > > > > consider the Lal Kitab as a part of the

Vedic astrology > > tradition.> > > > > > > > With naman to all gurujan.> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" > <a_jagawat@> >

> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > >

> Dear Friend,> > > > > > > > > > Let me tell you some views of very learned

astrologers about > > Lal > > > > > Kitab. First of all its origin. There is no

record as to its > > > > origin > > > > > or who wrote it.> > > > > > > > > >

Second it is not logical and sequential like astological > > inputs. > > > >

Its > > > > > data is varied and mostly carries remedies which also have > no >

> > > > significance as such. Most of the data is not only illogical > > but > >

> > > completely makes fun of a salient brain. > > > > > > > > > > Some more

interesting facts for you. Lal kitab is often read > > or > > > > used > > > >

> when someone runs under Rahu's

period. I do not want to tell > > you > > > > > what is the significance of Rahu

over here. I know you know > > about > > > > > it. Ask Mr. Raghunath Rao or

Mr.Sanjay Rath. They can tell > you > > > > more > > > > > about it.> > > > > >

> > > > Please do not mind but getting the right predictions does > not > > mean

> > > > > that you are a good astrologer. I have seen that even > > Charlatans >

> > > > perform this art very well. Astrology to be very precise is > a > > > >

highly > > > > > evolved science. It requires pin pointed logics and hard > >

grounds.> > > > > > > > > > Have you heard about Reiki. It is very prevelant in

India. > An > > > > eight > > >

> > year old girl called eleven Reiki grand masters to a place > and > > > > >

proved that what ever they were doing was not only false but > > their > > > >

> claims were all wrong. Now even if i tell people that Reiki > > will > > > >

not > > > > > help them, i will not be able to shatter their hopes. This > is >

> > > > because Thugs and Charlatans have outshined reality in such > a > > way

> > > > > that one cannot dare say anything about reality.> > > > > > > > > >

Dear Friend, sorry for being rude. My intention is not to > hurt > > > > you. >

> > > > If you understand Gemini and Parashara then never think > about > > Lal

> > > > > Kitab or such things.> > > > > > > >

> > Who knows there will be some Kali Kitab or Peeli Kitab one > > day. > > > >

That > > > > > will be a new Sun for Charlatans.> > > > > > > > > > A.J> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > sacred-objects, Ram Lubhaya Vashisth > > > >

> <rlvashisth@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > >

A good number of Astrologers in Punjab are > > using > > > > Lal > > > > >

Kitab for their

predictions.Although I myself rely on > Prashar > > and > > > > > Jamini but I

have seen that> > > > > > predictions of some Astrologers who use Lal Kitab

had > been > > > > > correct and remedies> > > > > > described in this

treaties also work very well.> > > > > > Some learned members in this

group are of the > view > > > > that > > > > > Lal Kitab is not an> > > > > >

Astrological Treaties.As such,I invite views of learned > > > > members > > >

> > of this group that> > > > > > weather Lal Kitab is an Astrological

Treaties or not. > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Er. Ram Lubhaya

Vashisth, Astrologer > > > > > > Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen > > > > > >

Norway. > > > > > > Ph. 0047 - 32756858> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > Mail> > > > > > Bring

photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a > breeze.> > > > > >> > > > >> >

> >> > >>

>>

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March 20, 2006

Dear All

I put my chart at sacred-objects/

Thanks

Rgds

R-

sacred-objects, deven chopra <chopradeven81 wrote:

>

> Dear Richard ji

>

> please giv me ur birth details

>

> i have the lal kitab original in engish translation

>

> i m not a professional astrologer but whatever i'll tell u should be

acccurate

>

> At least i'll tell you wat the lal kitab has to say

>

> I also takes into account other planets so i need to know ur birth

details.

>

> regards

>

> Deven chopra

>

> Richard Shaw-Brown II <rsbj66 wrote:

> Dear Sriman Varunji,

>

> Namaste!!! I have always followed a number of books, such as Graha Gochar

Jyotish, and

I

> don't know about Lal Kitab. If you have the time please tell me a bit about

it. For

> example, if a person with Cancer lagna had Saturn in the 1st aspecting exalted

Sun in

the

> 10th --- thus causing problems... in such case what would Lal Kitab advise?

>

> I am asking you this with a sincere desire to learn more. I have no bias.

>

> Best rgds,

> Richard

>

> sacred-objects, "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Jagawat ji,

> >

> > I consider Lal Kitab as a part of the Vedic tradition of astrology ,

> > and you don't. My explaining to you as to why I consider it a part

> > of vedic tradition would be relevant only if I need convincing you

> > to agree with me. I have no such intentions.

> > You be happy with your beliefs, I am happy with mine.

> >

> > With Naman to all gurujan,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat" <a_jagawat@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Varun,

> > >

> > > My intention is not to hurt anybody. Would you please tell me how

> > > and why you consider Lal Kitab as a part of Vedic astrology

> > > tradition.

> > >

> > > Lal kitab has hardly been written in the previous century and

> > Vedic

> > > astrology is many centuries older.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > A.J

> > >

> > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw-Brown II"

> > > <rsbj66@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sriman Varun,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste! Your message style is a good lesson to us all.

> > > >

> > > > Om svastyastu!!!

> > > >

> > > > Rgds,

> > > > Richard

> > > >

> > > > sacred-objects, "varun_trvd"

> > <varun_trvd@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Vashishtha ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Jagawat ji has every right and freedom of rejecting the

> > Lal

> > > > > Kitab. But that doesn't effect me, or many others like me, who

> > > > > consider the Lal Kitab as a part of the Vedic astrology

> > > tradition.

> > > > >

> > > > > With naman to all gurujan.

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > > sacred-objects, "a_jagawat"

> > <a_jagawat@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me tell you some views of very learned astrologers about

> > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab. First of all its origin. There is no record as to its

> > > > > origin

> > > > > > or who wrote it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Second it is not logical and sequential like astological

> > > inputs.

> > > > > Its

> > > > > > data is varied and mostly carries remedies which also have

> > no

> > > > > > significance as such. Most of the data is not only illogical

> > > but

> > > > > > completely makes fun of a salient brain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Some more interesting facts for you. Lal kitab is often read

> > > or

> > > > > used

> > > > > > when someone runs under Rahu's period. I do not want to tell

> > > you

> > > > > > what is the significance of Rahu over here. I know you know

> > > about

> > > > > > it. Ask Mr. Raghunath Rao or Mr.Sanjay Rath. They can tell

> > you

> > > > > more

> > > > > > about it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please do not mind but getting the right predictions does

> > not

> > > mean

> > > > > > that you are a good astrologer. I have seen that even

> > > Charlatans

> > > > > > perform this art very well. Astrology to be very precise is

> > a

> > > > > highly

> > > > > > evolved science. It requires pin pointed logics and hard

> > > grounds.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Have you heard about Reiki. It is very prevelant in India.

> > An

> > > > > eight

> > > > > > year old girl called eleven Reiki grand masters to a place

> > and

> > > > > > proved that what ever they were doing was not only false but

> > > their

> > > > > > claims were all wrong. Now even if i tell people that Reiki

> > > will

> > > > > not

> > > > > > help them, i will not be able to shatter their hopes. This

> > is

> > > > > > because Thugs and Charlatans have outshined reality in such

> > a

> > > way

> > > > > > that one cannot dare say anything about reality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friend, sorry for being rude. My intention is not to

> > hurt

> > > > > you.

> > > > > > If you understand Gemini and Parashara then never think

> > about

> > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab or such things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Who knows there will be some Kali Kitab or Peeli Kitab one

> > > day.

> > > > > That

> > > > > > will be a new Sun for Charlatans.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A.J

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sacred-objects, Ram Lubhaya Vashisth

> > > > > > <rlvashisth@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > > > A good number of Astrologers in Punjab are

> > > using

> > > > > Lal

> > > > > > Kitab for their predictions.Although I myself rely on

> > Prashar

> > > and

> > > > > > Jamini but I have seen that

> > > > > > > predictions of some Astrologers who use Lal Kitab had

> > been

> > > > > > correct and remedies

> > > > > > > described in this treaties also work very well.

> > > > > > > Some learned members in this group are of the

> > view

> > > > > that

> > > > > > Lal Kitab is not an

> > > > > > > Astrological Treaties.As such,I invite views of learned

> > > > > members

> > > > > > of this group that

> > > > > > > weather Lal Kitab is an Astrological Treaties or not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Er. Ram Lubhaya Vashisth, Astrologer

> > > > > > > Briskeveien - 15, Vestofossen

> > > > > > > Norway.

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