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OM HUM HUM KRIM KRIM KRIM HRIM HRIM DAKSHINE KALIKE SWAHA

 

I fear it may be a typo. Anyone recognize it in this exact sequence?

 

If it is familiar, what different effect does it have in comparison with the 22 syllable

mantra?

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

 

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May I ask if one need initiations to practise this Kali_ma?

Tara

 

thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum > wrote:

OM HUM HUM KRIM KRIM KRIM HRIM HRIM DAKSHINE KALIKE SWAHA

 

I fear it may be a typo. Anyone recognize it in this exact sequence?

 

If it is familiar, what different effect does it have in comparison with the 22 syllable

mantra?

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

 

Deity of christ

 

 

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No. But, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to practice any set of

bija sounds. My question is whether this is an authentic mantra.

 

 

Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma wrote:

>

> May I ask if one need initiations to practise this Kali_ma?

>

> Tara

>

>

> thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum wrote:

> OM HUM HUM KRIM KRIM KRIM HRIM HRIM DAKSHINE KALIKE SWAHA

>

> I fear it may be a typo. Anyone recognize it in this exact sequence?

>

> If it is familiar, what different effect does it have in comparison

with the 22 syllable

> mantra?

>

> Thanks,

> Mike

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Deity of christ

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "Kali_Ma" on the web.

>

>

> Kali_Ma

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I am more familiar with Vajrayogini which is one of the tantric deity. This needs initiations

to be able to pracitce her. A highest level of practitioner can gain elightenment within one

life's time. On the medium levels, withing 7 lives time and on the lower levels, those who

just keep commitments can gain liberations within 14 lives time.

Tara

 

thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum > wrote:

No. But, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to practice any set of

bija sounds. My question is whether this is an authentic mantra.

 

 

Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma wrote:

>

> May I ask if one need initiations to practise this Kali_ma?

>

> Tara

>

>

> thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum wrote:

> OM HUM HUM KRIM KRIM KRIM HRIM HRIM DAKSHINE KALIKE SWAHA

>

> I fear it may be a typo. Anyone recognize it in this exact sequence?

>

> If it is familiar, what different effect does it have in comparison

with the 22 syllable

> mantra?

>

> Thanks,

> Mike

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Deity of christ

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "Kali_Ma" on the web.

>

>

> Kali_Ma

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

Deity of christ

 

 

Visit your group "Kali_Ma" on the web.

Kali_Ma

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm not sure how your answer applies to my question about this particular Kali mantra.

 

 

Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma wrote:

>

> I am more familiar with Vajrayogini which is one of the tantric deity. This needs

initiations

> to be able to pracitce her. A highest level of practitioner can gain elightenment within

one

> life's time. On the medium levels, withing 7 lives time and on the lower levels, those

who

> just keep commitments can gain liberations within 14 lives time.

> Tara

>

> thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum wrote:

> No. But, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to practice any set of

> bija sounds. My question is whether this is an authentic mantra.

>

>

> Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> >

> > May I ask if one need initiations to practise this Kali_ma?

> >

> > Tara

> >

> >

> > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > OM HUM HUM KRIM KRIM KRIM HRIM HRIM DAKSHINE KALIKE SWAHA

> >

> > I fear it may be a typo. Anyone recognize it in this exact sequence?

> >

> > If it is familiar, what different effect does it have in comparison

> with the 22 syllable

> > mantra?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Deity of christ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "Kali_Ma" on the web.

> >

> >

> > Kali_Ma

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Deity of christ

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "Kali_Ma" on the web.

>

>

> Kali_Ma

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with

Messenger with Voice.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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May i know if kali_ma is a tantric deity?

 

thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum > wrote: I'm not sure how your answer applies to my question about this particular Kali mantra.

 

 

Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma wrote:

>

> I am more familiar with Vajrayogini which is one of the tantric deity. This needs

initiations

> to be able to pracitce her. A highest level of practitioner can gain elightenment within

one

> life's time. On the medium levels, withing 7 lives time and on the lower levels, those

who

> just keep commitments can gain liberations within 14 lives time.

> Tara

>

> thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum wrote:

> No. But, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to practice any set of

> bija sounds. My question is whether this is an authentic mantra.

>

>

> Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> >

> > May I ask if one need initiations to practise this Kali_ma?

> >

> > Tara

> >

> >

> > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > OM HUM HUM KRIM KRIM KRIM HRIM HRIM DAKSHINE KALIKE SWAHA

> >

> > I fear it may be a typo. Anyone recognize it in this exact sequence?

> >

> > If it is familiar, what different effect does it have in comparison

> with the 22 syllable

> > mantra?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Deity of christ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "Kali_Ma" on the web.

> >

> >

> > Kali_Ma

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Deity of christ

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "Kali_Ma" on the web.

>

>

> Kali_Ma

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with

Messenger with Voice.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

Deity of christ

 

 

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Kali_Ma

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes she is. Hindu tantra is about joining male and female energy. We seek to join these

energies within ourselves. Kali is Shiva's energy. Shiva is Kali's awareness. Kalachakra is

Shiva and Kali together.

When Shiva and Shakti come together, there is great power, liberation and freedom from

death.

 

 

Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma wrote:

>

> May i know if kali_ma is a tantric deity?

>

> thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum wrote: I'm not sure how your answer applies to

my question about this particular Kali mantra.

>

>

> Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> >

> > I am more familiar with Vajrayogini which is one of the tantric deity. This needs

> initiations

> > to be able to pracitce her. A highest level of practitioner can gain elightenment

within

> one

> > life's time. On the medium levels, withing 7 lives time and on the lower levels, those

> who

> > just keep commitments can gain liberations within 14 lives time.

> > Tara

> >

> > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > No. But, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to practice any set of

> > bija sounds. My question is whether this is an authentic mantra.

> >

> >

> > Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > >

> > > May I ask if one need initiations to practise this Kali_ma?

> > >

> > > Tara

> > >

> > >

> > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > > OM HUM HUM KRIM KRIM KRIM HRIM HRIM DAKSHINE KALIKE SWAHA

> > >

> > > I fear it may be a typo. Anyone recognize it in this exact sequence?

> > >

> > > If it is familiar, what different effect does it have in comparison

> > with the 22 syllable

> > > mantra?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Mike

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Deity of christ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Visit your group "Kali_Ma" on the web.

> > >

> > >

> > > Kali_Ma

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Deity of christ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "Kali_Ma" on the web.

> >

> >

> > Kali_Ma

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with

> Messenger with Voice.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Deity of christ

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "Kali_Ma" on the web.

>

>

> Kali_Ma

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Forgive me, I thought you were asking a question because you didn't know the answer. I

didn't realize you were asking a question because you were wanting to teach me. But I'm

sure you are trying to be helpful based on your understanding and experience. Good for

you!

 

Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma wrote:

>

> If Kali_Ma is a tantric deity, then we should seek a tantric guru to teach us. we cannot

learn just

> as we wish. Usually this tantric deity needs initiations too. Pls advice.

> Tara

>

> thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum wrote:

> Yes she is. Hindu tantra is about joining male and female energy. We seek to join these

> energies within ourselves. Kali is Shiva's energy. Shiva is Kali's awareness. Kalachakra is

> Shiva and Kali together.

> When Shiva and Shakti come together, there is great power, liberation and freedom from

> death.

>

>

> Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> >

> > May i know if kali_ma is a tantric deity?

> >

> > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote: I'm not sure how your answer applies to

> my question about this particular Kali mantra.

> >

> >

> > Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I am more familiar with Vajrayogini which is one of the tantric deity.. This needs

> > initiations

> > > to be able to pracitce her. A highest level of practitioner can gain elightenment

> within

> > one

> > > life's time. On the medium levels, withing 7 lives time and on the lower levels,

those

> > who

> > > just keep commitments can gain liberations within 14 lives time.

> > > Tara

> > >

> > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > > No. But, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to practice any set of

> > > bija sounds. My question is whether this is an authentic mantra.

> > >

> > >

> > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > May I ask if one need initiations to practise this Kali_ma?

> > > >

> > > > Tara

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > > > OM HUM HUM KRIM KRIM KRIM HRIM HRIM DAKSHINE KALIKE SWAHA

> > > >

> > > > I fear it may be a typo. Anyone recognize it in this exact sequence?

> > > >

> > > > If it is familiar, what different effect does it have in comparison

> > > with the 22 syllable

> > > > mantra?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Deity of christ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "Kali_Ma" on the web.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Kali_Ma

> > > >

> > > > Terms of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Deity of christ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Visit your group "Kali_Ma" on the web.

> > >

> > >

> > > Kali_Ma

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with

> > Messenger with Voice.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Deity of christ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "Kali_Ma" on the web.

> >

> >

> > Kali_Ma

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Deity of christ

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "Kali_Ma" on the web.

>

>

> Kali_Ma

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates..

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I wish to share my view in this matter. Love is the

onliest thing that Almighty is crazy about. If your

heart is full of love for any form of him (it could be

Kaali, Krishna, Shiva, Laxmi, Saraswati, Ganesha, or

even Allah, God, Jihova...) and if you are honest in

whatever you do, - you would not need a Guru to reach

his doorstep. Debate would never end, - and you will

never reach your destination if you indulge yourself

in trying to find a safe path. Follow the light of

your mind, - listen to your heart, - the Holy Mother

Mahamaya will hold your hand to take you to her

kingdom. Mantra, - Tantra are just to please her, -

and she loves to be loved! Trust me. You will feel her

presence beside you, - you will be ever safeguarded by

her four hands. But if you are crazy like me - to get

Darshan of her, - yes that time only you should seek a

real Guru who, in reality is very very rare to find.

Till then, - just love her as someone very close to

you, - treat her as your mother or your daughter or

friend or even your fiance! Spread out the love you

receive in return! Don't worry, - you might not feel

her even now, - she always looks after you! Kaali is a

never ending ocean of wisdom, - we are dolls of salt,

- we often melt down when we enter into that sea to

measure it!

Love her and love her children. You will find what you

are looking for.

This is so funny that where supreme powers like Lord

Brahma, Vishnu and even Shiva do not properly know how

to worship Devi Kaali, - we humans offer two Belpatta

and Jaba and chaunt some "Aung,- Bong, Chong" and feel

that it is enough to satisfy her. We are actually

foolest of all fools! indulge yourself in everything

that is good for not only you, - but for mankind, -

be honest, leave your greed, keep truth always beside

you, - and then pour the entire love that could be

extracted from your heart on Kaali-s feet! I

guarantee, - you too will see ( and perhaps will do)

miracles!

 

Best wishes,

 

Anirban De

 

--- thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum > wrote:

 

> Forgive me, I thought you were asking a question

> because you didn't know the answer. I

> didn't realize you were asking a question because

> you were wanting to teach me. But I'm

> sure you are trying to be helpful based on your

> understanding and experience. Good for

> you!

>

> Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> <tara_norguma wrote:

> >

> > If Kali_Ma is a tantric deity, then we should seek

> a tantric guru to teach us. we cannot

> learn just

> > as we wish. Usually this tantric deity needs

> initiations too. Pls advice.

> > Tara

> >

> > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum wrote:

> > Yes she is. Hindu tantra is about joining male

> and female energy. We seek to join these

> > energies within ourselves. Kali is Shiva's energy.

> Shiva is Kali's awareness. Kalachakra is

> > Shiva and Kali together.

> > When Shiva and Shakti come together, there is

> great power, liberation and freedom from

> > death.

> >

> >

> > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > >

> > > May i know if kali_ma is a tantric deity?

> > >

> > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote: I'm not

> sure how your answer applies to

> > my question about this particular Kali mantra.

> > >

> > >

> > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I am more familiar with Vajrayogini which is

> one of the tantric deity. This needs

> > > initiations

> > > > to be able to pracitce her. A highest level

> of practitioner can gain elightenment

> > within

> > > one

> > > > life's time. On the medium levels, withing 7

> lives time and on the lower levels,

> those

> > > who

> > > > just keep commitments can gain liberations

> within 14 lives time.

> > > > Tara

> > > >

> > > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > > > No. But, that doesn't mean it's a good idea

> to practice any set of

> > > > bija sounds. My question is whether this is an

> authentic mantra.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > May I ask if one need initiations to

> practise this Kali_ma?

> > > > >

> > > > > Tara

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > > > > OM HUM HUM KRIM KRIM KRIM HRIM HRIM

> DAKSHINE KALIKE SWAHA

> > > > >

> > > > > I fear it may be a typo. Anyone recognize it

> in this exact sequence?

> > > > >

> > > > > If it is familiar, what different effect

> does it have in comparison

> > > > with the 22 syllable

> > > > > mantra?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Mike

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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I am just sharing with what I had learnt and I am not qualified to teach but I have a qualified teacher , who

I honour and trust that he is a living holy beings to me. I am not an hindu so, I have not much knowledge than

anyone of you, here. I am attracted to Kali_ma so I wanted to learn more about her. nothing else.

Tara

 

Anirban De <anirbaan > wrote:

I wish to share my view in this matter. Love is the

onliest thing that Almighty is crazy about. If your

heart is full of love for any form of him (it could be

Kaali, Krishna, Shiva, Laxmi, Saraswati, Ganesha, or

even Allah, God, Jihova...) and if you are honest in

whatever you do, - you would not need a Guru to reach

his doorstep. Debate would never end, - and you will

never reach your destination if you indulge yourself

in trying to find a safe path. Follow the light of

your mind, - listen to your heart, - the Holy Mother

Mahamaya will hold your hand to take you to her

kingdom. Mantra, - Tantra are just to please her, -

and she loves to be loved! Trust me. You will feel her

presence beside you, - you will be ever safeguarded by

her four hands. But if you are crazy like me - to get

Darshan of her, - yes that time only you should seek a

real Guru who, in reality is very very rare to find.

Till then, - just love her as someone very close to

you, - treat her as your mother or your daughter or

friend or even your fiance! Spread out the love you

receive in return! Don't worry, - you might not feel

her even now, - she always looks after you! Kaali is a

never ending ocean of wisdom, - we are dolls of salt,

- we often melt down when we enter into that sea to

measure it!

Love her and love her children. You will find what you

are looking for.

This is so funny that where supreme powers like Lord

Brahma, Vishnu and even Shiva do not properly know how

to worship Devi Kaali, - we humans offer two Belpatta

and Jaba and chaunt some "Aung,- Bong, Chong" and feel

that it is enough to satisfy her. We are actually

foolest of all fools! indulge yourself in everything

that is good for not only you, - but for mankind, -

be honest, leave your greed, keep truth always beside

you, - and then pour the entire love that could be

extracted from your heart on Kaali-s feet! I

guarantee, - you too will see ( and perhaps will do)

miracles!

 

Best wishes,

 

Anirban De

 

--- thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum > wrote:

 

> Forgive me, I thought you were asking a question

> because you didn't know the answer. I

> didn't realize you were asking a question because

> you were wanting to teach me. But I'm

> sure you are trying to be helpful based on your

> understanding and experience. Good for

> you!

>

> Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> <tara_norguma wrote:

> >

> > If Kali_Ma is a tantric deity, then we should seek

> a tantric guru to teach us. we cannot

> learn just

> > as we wish. Usually this tantric deity needs

> initiations too. Pls advice.

> > Tara

> >

> > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum wrote:

> > Yes she is. Hindu tantra is about joining male

> and female energy. We seek to join these

> > energies within ourselves. Kali is Shiva's energy.

> Shiva is Kali's awareness. Kalachakra is

> > Shiva and Kali together.

> > When Shiva and Shakti come together, there is

> great power, liberation and freedom from

> > death.

> >

> >

> > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > >

> > > May i know if kali_ma is a tantric deity?

> > >

> > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote: I'm not

> sure how your answer applies to

> > my question about this particular Kali mantra.

> > >

> > >

> > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I am more familiar with Vajrayogini which is

> one of the tantric deity. This needs

> > > initiations

> > > > to be able to pracitce her. A highest level

> of practitioner can gain elightenment

> > within

> > > one

> > > > life's time. On the medium levels, withing 7

> lives time and on the lower levels,

> those

> > > who

> > > > just keep commitments can gain liberations

> within 14 lives time.

> > > > Tara

> > > >

> > > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > > > No. But, that doesn't mean it's a good idea

> to practice any set of

> > > > bija sounds. My question is whether this is an

> authentic mantra.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > May I ask if one need initiations to

> practise this Kali_ma?

> > > > >

> > > > > Tara

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > > > > OM HUM HUM KRIM KRIM KRIM HRIM HRIM

> DAKSHINE KALIKE SWAHA

> > > > >

> > > > > I fear it may be a typo. Anyone recognize it

> in this exact sequence?

> > > > >

> > > > > If it is familiar, what different effect

> does it have in comparison

> > > > with the 22 syllable

> > > > > mantra?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Mike

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Tara, I have a question for you. How did the first Guru become a Guru? Who gave him

inititation? meditate on this....

 

Tara, Your heart is in the right place. I know you want to help. You are correct that it is

best to learn from a Guru. I have learned from Gurus in a few disciplines. But Gurus are

not perfect. they are humans also. I know this from experience. Many Gurus say to their

devotees that they cannot do anything without initiation. Well, I have seen that some

Gurus use initiation and shaktipat as a way to control and manipulate and take advantage

of their students. I have seen gurus with miraculous powers use them to seduce their

devotees and have sex with them. I decided that only God was going to be my Guru. And if

God cannot guide me, then no human can either. Your Guru may be a divine being, I can't

say. You are very lucky to have one! But, should I stop searching because I do not have a

Guru? A very holy man once said, "Seek and you shall find." I am seeking.

This isn't to say that I don't respect teachers with more expereince than I have. I do. that

is why I posted my question, because I want to learn.

 

In terms of Kali, there are no gurus in my area. I live in a small city in the U. S.A. and there

are no tantric gurus at all. In fact, I have been teaching the tantra that I learned from my

Yoga teacher who was a Sikh and a Yoga master. I know I am not a master Guru, but

should I stop teaching what I know to those who are hungry for Kali Ma? What a tragedy

that would be.

 

Like you, I am attracted to Kali Ma. But, if I listened to you and stopped seeking to find a

mantra that best suits me without a Guru, I would have to give up entirely and not worship

her. I don't think that is what you are suggesting.

 

What you may not see is that I was seeking instruction on a mantra that I had found and

felt strongly attracted to. I believe it is very important to chant mantras correctly and that

it can be harmful if done improperly. So, you can see I was being very responsible in my

attempts to learn about this mantra.

 

I am going to be very honest with you. but it is out of love... I don't believe you responded

to my question with love and humility. It is wonderful that you have a guru who taught you

a mantra that may relieve your karma in 7 lifetimes. But you sounded proud and superior.

that is not the way of a true disciple. And just because you end a post with "please advise"

does not take away the pride and persecution I felt coming from you.

blessings,

Mike

 

Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma wrote:

>

> I am just sharing with what I had learnt and I am not qualified to teach but I have a

qualified teacher , who

> I honour and trust that he is a living holy beings to me. I am not an hindu so, I have

not much knowledge than

> anyone of you, here. I am attracted to Kali_ma so I wanted to learn more about her.

nothing else.

> Tara

>

> Anirban De <anirbaan wrote:

> I wish to share my view in this matter. Love is the

> onliest thing that Almighty is crazy about. If your

> heart is full of love for any form of him (it could be

> Kaali, Krishna, Shiva, Laxmi, Saraswati, Ganesha, or

> even Allah, God, Jihova...) and if you are honest in

> whatever you do, - you would not need a Guru to reach

> his doorstep. Debate would never end, - and you will

> never reach your destination if you indulge yourself

> in trying to find a safe path. Follow the light of

> your mind, - listen to your heart, - the Holy Mother

> Mahamaya will hold your hand to take you to her

> kingdom. Mantra, - Tantra are just to please her, -

> and she loves to be loved! Trust me. You will feel her

> presence beside you, - you will be ever safeguarded by

> her four hands. But if you are crazy like me - to get

> Darshan of her, - yes that time only you should seek a

> real Guru who, in reality is very very rare to find.

> Till then, - just love her as someone very close to

> you, - treat her as your mother or your daughter or

> friend or even your fiance! Spread out the love you

> receive in return! Don't worry, - you might not feel

> her even now, - she always looks after you! Kaali is a

> never ending ocean of wisdom, - we are dolls of salt,

> - we often melt down when we enter into that sea to

> measure it!

> Love her and love her children. You will find what you

> are looking for.

> This is so funny that where supreme powers like Lord

> Brahma, Vishnu and even Shiva do not properly know how

> to worship Devi Kaali, - we humans offer two Belpatta

> and Jaba and chaunt some "Aung,- Bong, Chong" and feel

> that it is enough to satisfy her. We are actually

> foolest of all fools! indulge yourself in everything

> that is good for not only you, - but for mankind, -

> be honest, leave your greed, keep truth always beside

> you, - and then pour the entire love that could be

> extracted from your heart on Kaali-s feet! I

> guarantee, - you too will see ( and perhaps will do)

> miracles!

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Anirban De

>

> --- thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum wrote:

>

> > Forgive me, I thought you were asking a question

> > because you didn't know the answer. I

> > didn't realize you were asking a question because

> > you were wanting to teach me. But I'm

> > sure you are trying to be helpful based on your

> > understanding and experience. Good for

> > you!

> >

> > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> > <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > >

> > > If Kali_Ma is a tantric deity, then we should seek

> > a tantric guru to teach us. we cannot

> > learn just

> > > as we wish. Usually this tantric deity needs

> > initiations too. Pls advice.

> > > Tara

> > >

> > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > > Yes she is. Hindu tantra is about joining male

> > and female energy. We seek to join these

> > > energies within ourselves. Kali is Shiva's energy.

> > Shiva is Kali's awareness. Kalachakra is

> > > Shiva and Kali together.

> > > When Shiva and Shakti come together, there is

> > great power, liberation and freedom from

> > > death.

> > >

> > >

> > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> > <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > May i know if kali_ma is a tantric deity?

> > > >

> > > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote: I'm not

> > sure how your answer applies to

> > > my question about this particular Kali mantra.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> > <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I am more familiar with Vajrayogini which is

> > one of the tantric deity. This needs

> > > > initiations

> > > > > to be able to pracitce her. A highest level

> > of practitioner can gain elightenment

> > > within

> > > > one

> > > > > life's time. On the medium levels, withing 7

> > lives time and on the lower levels,

> > those

> > > > who

> > > > > just keep commitments can gain liberations

> > within 14 lives time.

> > > > > Tara

> > > > >

> > > > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > > > > No. But, that doesn't mean it's a good idea

> > to practice any set of

> > > > > bija sounds. My question is whether this is an

> > authentic mantra.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> > <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May I ask if one need initiations to

> > practise this Kali_ma?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tara

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > > > > > OM HUM HUM KRIM KRIM KRIM HRIM HRIM

> > DAKSHINE KALIKE SWAHA

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I fear it may be a typo. Anyone recognize it

> > in this exact sequence?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If it is familiar, what different effect

> > does it have in comparison

> > > > > with the 22 syllable

> > > > > > mantra?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > Mike

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Tara,

I am very happy for you. And I support your enthusiasm for your Guru. I have no doubt he

is what you need to learn and grow. But, Is your guru the only guru? Is your way the only

way? Is your way my way???

You did not offer an answer to my question and instead offered only criticism of me.

I am not attacking you or your chosen path. I have no doubt you are on the right path for

you.

And while it is wonderful to be confident in your own path, it is not helpful to others to

criticize their paths. You criticized my honest seeking and didn't offer any solution. How is

that helpful to me? If you are truly a disciple of the Buddha, your goal is also to be helpful

to others. It is difficult to do this when one feels their path is superior to others.

You may not feel this way. But I definitely feel attacked and criticized by you. I also felt you

thought yourself superior to me. That was not helpful to me either. Tolerance, patience,

love and understanding is also what the Buddha taught. I'm sure you have these qualities,

but I did not feel them from you based on your responses to my post.

that is my point. It is important to know how others percieve you. this is also spiritual....

 

Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma wrote:

>

> Dear friend,

> I am not proud what I am learning but I said it with confidence because I know

> where my source are.I am just lucky to meet my guru and I have been finding

> one since I was very young. Couples of years back I met him and I took three

> years to watch over him and confirmed he will be my guru. I took my refuge vows

> under a bodhi tree in Bodhgaya where buddha first awakened. My guru took vows

> that he will take care of me until I am liberated.well,as to how you find a guru,

> there are many guidelines. There will be no other ways other than guru devotions

> which one can gain enlightenment.Believe me or not, you can always check it out.

> Success in following the Tantrayana path depends solely on your whole-hearted

> commitment to your spritual teacher. for Buddha indicated in the saddarmapundaarika

> sutra (II, 124).It is also mentioned in the HEVAJRA , that in the future times of

> degeneration , he would take in the form of spiritual teachers.

>

> At such times, these teachers should be respected the same as the Buddhas, for they

> will be their living representatives.A whole-hearted commitment to a spiritual teacher

> involves both your thoughts and your actions. The most important thing is to develop

> the total conviction that your teacher is a Buddha. Such a convictionis prerequisite

> for receiving any insights. If you are aiming to benefit yourself and overcome all

suffering

> with the attainment of Liberation, or reach the perfected state of a Fully enlightened

> teacher can only show you the way if he himself or she herself has already achieved

> these accomplishments. If you doubt your teacher's competence and ability to guide

> you, your practices will be extremely unstable and you will be unable to make any

> concrete progress. You must have full confidence that it is possible to become

> enlightened, that by your spiritual teacher is living proof of this, and that by following

> Buddha's teachings as he or she instructs, you can achieve the same. Only then will it

> be possible to gain any benefits from the practices.

>

> Likewise, if you can train yourself to see only good qualities and never any faults in

> your spiritual teacher, this positive outlook will come to pervade, amplify and reflect

> your own state of mind.

> with love,

> Tara

>

>

>

> thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum wrote:

> Tara, I have a question for you. How did the first Guru become a Guru? Who gave him

> inititation? meditate on this....

>

> Tara, Your heart is in the right place. I know you want to help. You are correct that it is

> best to learn from a Guru. I have learned from Gurus in a few disciplines.. But Gurus are

> not perfect. they are humans also. I know this from experience. Many Gurus say to their

> devotees that they cannot do anything without initiation. Well, I have seen that some

> Gurus use initiation and shaktipat as a way to control and manipulate and take

advantage

> of their students. I have seen gurus with miraculous powers use them to seduce their

> devotees and have sex with them. I decided that only God was going to be my Guru.

And if

> God cannot guide me, then no human can either. Your Guru may be a divine being, I

can't

> say. You are very lucky to have one! But, should I stop searching because I do not have a

> Guru? A very holy man once said, "Seek and you shall find." I am seeking.

> This isn't to say that I don't respect teachers with more expereince than I have. I do.

that

> is why I posted my question, because I want to learn.

>

> In terms of Kali, there are no gurus in my area. I live in a small city in the U. S.A. and

there

> are no tantric gurus at all. In fact, I have been teaching the tantra that I learned from my

> Yoga teacher who was a Sikh and a Yoga master. I know I am not a master Guru, but

> should I stop teaching what I know to those who are hungry for Kali Ma? What a tragedy

> that would be.

>

> Like you, I am attracted to Kali Ma. But, if I listened to you and stopped seeking to find a

> mantra that best suits me without a Guru, I would have to give up entirely and not

worship

> her. I don't think that is what you are suggesting.

>

> What you may not see is that I was seeking instruction on a mantra that I had found and

> felt strongly attracted to. I believe it is very important to chant mantras correctly and

that

> it can be harmful if done improperly. So, you can see I was being very responsible in my

> attempts to learn about this mantra.

>

> I am going to be very honest with you. but it is out of love... I don't believe you

responded

> to my question with love and humility. It is wonderful that you have a guru who taught

you

> a mantra that may relieve your karma in 7 lifetimes. But you sounded proud and

superior.

> that is not the way of a true disciple. And just because you end a post with "please

advise"

> does not take away the pride and persecution I felt coming from you.

> blessings,

> Mike

>

> Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> >

> > I am just sharing with what I had learnt and I am not qualified to teach but I have a

> qualified teacher , who

> > I honour and trust that he is a living holy beings to me. I am not an hindu so, I have

> not much knowledge than

> > anyone of you, here. I am attracted to Kali_ma so I wanted to learn more about her.

> nothing else.

> > Tara

> >

> > Anirban De <anirbaan@> wrote:

> > I wish to share my view in this matter. Love is the

> > onliest thing that Almighty is crazy about. If your

> > heart is full of love for any form of him (it could be

> > Kaali, Krishna, Shiva, Laxmi, Saraswati, Ganesha, or

> > even Allah, God, Jihova...) and if you are honest in

> > whatever you do, - you would not need a Guru to reach

> > his doorstep. Debate would never end, - and you will

> > never reach your destination if you indulge yourself

> > in trying to find a safe path. Follow the light of

> > your mind, - listen to your heart, - the Holy Mother

> > Mahamaya will hold your hand to take you to her

> > kingdom. Mantra, - Tantra are just to please her, -

> > and she loves to be loved! Trust me. You will feel her

> > presence beside you, - you will be ever safeguarded by

> > her four hands. But if you are crazy like me - to get

> > Darshan of her, - yes that time only you should seek a

> > real Guru who, in reality is very very rare to find.

> > Till then, - just love her as someone very close to

> > you, - treat her as your mother or your daughter or

> > friend or even your fiance! Spread out the love you

> > receive in return! Don't worry, - you might not feel

> > her even now, - she always looks after you! Kaali is a

> > never ending ocean of wisdom, - we are dolls of salt,

> > - we often melt down when we enter into that sea to

> > measure it!

> > Love her and love her children. You will find what you

> > are looking for.

> > This is so funny that where supreme powers like Lord

> > Brahma, Vishnu and even Shiva do not properly know how

> > to worship Devi Kaali, - we humans offer two Belpatta

> > and Jaba and chaunt some "Aung,- Bong, Chong" and feel

> > that it is enough to satisfy her. We are actually

> > foolest of all fools! indulge yourself in everything

> > that is good for not only you, - but for mankind, -

> > be honest, leave your greed, keep truth always beside

> > you, - and then pour the entire love that could be

> > extracted from your heart on Kaali-s feet! I

> > guarantee, - you too will see ( and perhaps will do)

> > miracles!

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Anirban De

> >

> > --- thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> >

> > > Forgive me, I thought you were asking a question

> > > because you didn't know the answer. I

> > > didn't realize you were asking a question because

> > > you were wanting to teach me. But I'm

> > > sure you are trying to be helpful based on your

> > > understanding and experience. Good for

> > > you!

> > >

> > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> > > <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > If Kali_Ma is a tantric deity, then we should seek

> > > a tantric guru to teach us. we cannot

> > > learn just

> > > > as we wish. Usually this tantric deity needs

> > > initiations too. Pls advice.

> > > > Tara

> > > >

> > > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > > > Yes she is. Hindu tantra is about joining male

> > > and female energy. We seek to join these

> > > > energies within ourselves. Kali is Shiva's energy.

> > > Shiva is Kali's awareness. Kalachakra is

> > > > Shiva and Kali together.

> > > > When Shiva and Shakti come together, there is

> > > great power, liberation and freedom from

> > > > death.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> > > <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > May i know if kali_ma is a tantric deity?

> > > > >

> > > > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote: I'm not

> > > sure how your answer applies to

> > > > my question about this particular Kali mantra.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> > > <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am more familiar with Vajrayogini which is

> > > one of the tantric deity. This needs

> > > > > initiations

> > > > > > to be able to pracitce her. A highest level

> > > of practitioner can gain elightenment

> > > > within

> > > > > one

> > > > > > life's time. On the medium levels, withing 7

> > > lives time and on the lower levels,

> > > those

> > > > > who

> > > > > > just keep commitments can gain liberations

> > > within 14 lives time.

> > > > > > Tara

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > > > > > No. But, that doesn't mean it's a good idea

> > > to practice any set of

> > > > > > bija sounds. My question is whether this is an

> > > authentic mantra.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> > > <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May I ask if one need initiations to

> > > practise this Kali_ma?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tara

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > > > > > > OM HUM HUM KRIM KRIM KRIM HRIM HRIM

> > > DAKSHINE KALIKE SWAHA

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> > > > > > > I fear it may be a typo. Anyone recognize it

> > > in this exact sequence?

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> > > > > > > If it is familiar, what different effect

> > > does it have in comparison

> > > > > > with the 22 syllable

> > > > > > > mantra?

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> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > Mike

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Dear friend,

May I apologise to you if my words have brought you any forms of insultations I dont mean it that

way. However, I am sharing with you what I know in general and please understand that I am not

criticizing you at any point. I am in no position to judge you or in the position to teach you. Plz plz

dont get offended by those words.. My guru, of course , is not the only guru. You have your liberty

to choose your own guru. May I remind you that once you have chosen your guru, he will be always

be your guru even you disliked him later.

With Love,

Tara

 

thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum > wrote:

Tara,

I am very happy for you. And I support your enthusiasm for your Guru. I have no doubt he

is what you need to learn and grow. But, Is your guru the only guru? Is your way the only

way? Is your way my way???

You did not offer an answer to my question and instead offered only criticism of me.

I am not attacking you or your chosen path. I have no doubt you are on the right path for

you.

And while it is wonderful to be confident in your own path, it is not helpful to others to

criticize their paths. You criticized my honest seeking and didn't offer any solution. How is

that helpful to me? If you are truly a disciple of the Buddha, your goal is also to be helpful

to others. It is difficult to do this when one feels their path is superior to others.

You may not feel this way. But I definitely feel attacked and criticized by you. I also felt you

thought yourself superior to me. That was not helpful to me either. Tolerance, patience,

love and understanding is also what the Buddha taught. I'm sure you have these qualities,

but I did not feel them from you based on your responses to my post.

that is my point. It is important to know how others percieve you. this is also spiritual....

 

Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma wrote:

>

> Dear friend,

> I am not proud what I am learning but I said it with confidence because I know

> where my source are.I am just lucky to meet my guru and I have been finding

> one since I was very young. Couples of years back I met him and I took three

> years to watch over him and confirmed he will be my guru. I took my refuge vows

> under a bodhi tree in Bodhgaya where buddha first awakened. My guru took vows

> that he will take care of me until I am liberated.well,as to how you find a guru,

> there are many guidelines. There will be no other ways other than guru devotions

> which one can gain enlightenment.Believe me or not, you can always check it out.

> Success in following the Tantrayana path depends solely on your whole-hearted

> commitment to your spritual teacher. for Buddha indicated in the saddarmapundaarika

> sutra (II, 124).It is also mentioned in the HEVAJRA , that in the future times of

> degeneration , he would take in the form of spiritual teachers.

>

> At such times, these teachers should be respected the same as the Buddhas, for they

> will be their living representatives.A whole-hearted commitment to a spiritual teacher

> involves both your thoughts and your actions. The most important thing is to develop

> the total conviction that your teacher is a Buddha. Such a convictionis prerequisite

> for receiving any insights. If you are aiming to benefit yourself and overcome all

suffering

> with the attainment of Liberation, or reach the perfected state of a Fully enlightened

> teacher can only show you the way if he himself or she herself has already achieved

> these accomplishments. If you doubt your teacher's competence and ability to guide

> you, your practices will be extremely unstable and you will be unable to make any

> concrete progress. You must have full confidence that it is possible to become

> enlightened, that by your spiritual teacher is living proof of this, and that by following

> Buddha's teachings as he or she instructs, you can achieve the same. Only then will it

> be possible to gain any benefits from the practices.

>

> Likewise, if you can train yourself to see only good qualities and never any faults in

> your spiritual teacher, this positive outlook will come to pervade, amplify and reflect

> your own state of mind.

> with love,

> Tara

>

>

>

> thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum wrote:

> Tara, I have a question for you. How did the first Guru become a Guru? Who gave him

> inititation? meditate on this....

>

> Tara, Your heart is in the right place. I know you want to help. You are correct that it is

> best to learn from a Guru. I have learned from Gurus in a few disciplines. But Gurus are

> not perfect. they are humans also. I know this from experience. Many Gurus say to their

> devotees that they cannot do anything without initiation. Well, I have seen that some

> Gurus use initiation and shaktipat as a way to control and manipulate and take

advantage

> of their students. I have seen gurus with miraculous powers use them to seduce their

> devotees and have sex with them. I decided that only God was going to be my Guru.

And if

> God cannot guide me, then no human can either. Your Guru may be a divine being, I

can't

> say. You are very lucky to have one! But, should I stop searching because I do not have a

> Guru? A very holy man once said, "Seek and you shall find." I am seeking.

> This isn't to say that I don't respect teachers with more expereince than I have. I do.

that

> is why I posted my question, because I want to learn.

>

> In terms of Kali, there are no gurus in my area. I live in a small city in the U. S.A. and

there

> are no tantric gurus at all. In fact, I have been teaching the tantra that I learned from my

> Yoga teacher who was a Sikh and a Yoga master. I know I am not a master Guru, but

> should I stop teaching what I know to those who are hungry for Kali Ma? What a tragedy

> that would be.

>

> Like you, I am attracted to Kali Ma. But, if I listened to you and stopped seeking to find a

> mantra that best suits me without a Guru, I would have to give up entirely and not

worship

> her. I don't think that is what you are suggesting.

>

> What you may not see is that I was seeking instruction on a mantra that I had found and

> felt strongly attracted to. I believe it is very important to chant mantras correctly and

that

> it can be harmful if done improperly. So, you can see I was being very responsible in my

> attempts to learn about this mantra.

>

> I am going to be very honest with you. but it is out of love... I don't believe you

responded

> to my question with love and humility. It is wonderful that you have a guru who taught

you

> a mantra that may relieve your karma in 7 lifetimes. But you sounded proud and

superior.

> that is not the way of a true disciple. And just because you end a post with "please

advise"

> does not take away the pride and persecution I felt coming from you.

> blessings,

> Mike

>

> Kali_Ma, norguma tara <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> >

> > I am just sharing with what I had learnt and I am not qualified to teach but I have a

> qualified teacher , who

> > I honour and trust that he is a living holy beings to me. I am not an hindu so, I have

> not much knowledge than

> > anyone of you, here. I am attracted to Kali_ma so I wanted to learn more about her.

> nothing else.

> > Tara

> >

> > Anirban De <anirbaan@> wrote:

> > I wish to share my view in this matter. Love is the

> > onliest thing that Almighty is crazy about. If your

> > heart is full of love for any form of him (it could be

> > Kaali, Krishna, Shiva, Laxmi, Saraswati, Ganesha, or

> > even Allah, God, Jihova...) and if you are honest in

> > whatever you do, - you would not need a Guru to reach

> > his doorstep. Debate would never end, - and you will

> > never reach your destination if you indulge yourself

> > in trying to find a safe path. Follow the light of

> > your mind, - listen to your heart, - the Holy Mother

> > Mahamaya will hold your hand to take you to her

> > kingdom. Mantra, - Tantra are just to please her, -

> > and she loves to be loved! Trust me. You will feel her

> > presence beside you, - you will be ever safeguarded by

> > her four hands. But if you are crazy like me - to get

> > Darshan of her, - yes that time only you should seek a

> > real Guru who, in reality is very very rare to find.

> > Till then, - just love her as someone very close to

> > you, - treat her as your mother or your daughter or

> > friend or even your fiance! Spread out the love you

> > receive in return! Don't worry, - you might not feel

> > her even now, - she always looks after you! Kaali is a

> > never ending ocean of wisdom, - we are dolls of salt,

> > - we often melt down when we enter into that sea to

> > measure it!

> > Love her and love her children. You will find what you

> > are looking for.

> > This is so funny that where supreme powers like Lord

> > Brahma, Vishnu and even Shiva do not properly know how

> > to worship Devi Kaali, - we humans offer two Belpatta

> > and Jaba and chaunt some "Aung,- Bong, Chong" and feel

> > that it is enough to satisfy her. We are actually

> > foolest of all fools! indulge yourself in everything

> > that is good for not only you, - but for mankind, -

> > be honest, leave your greed, keep truth always beside

> > you, - and then pour the entire love that could be

> > extracted from your heart on Kaali-s feet! I

> > guarantee, - you too will see ( and perhaps will do)

> > miracles!

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Anirban De

> >

> > --- thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> >

> > > Forgive me, I thought you were asking a question

> > > because you didn't know the answer. I

> > > didn't realize you were asking a question because

> > > you were wanting to teach me. But I'm

> > > sure you are trying to be helpful based on your

> > > understanding and experience. Good for

> > > you!

> > >

> > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> > > <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > If Kali_Ma is a tantric deity, then we should seek

> > > a tantric guru to teach us. we cannot

> > > learn just

> > > > as we wish. Usually this tantric deity needs

> > > initiations too. Pls advice.

> > > > Tara

> > > >

> > > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > > > Yes she is. Hindu tantra is about joining male

> > > and female energy. We seek to join these

> > > > energies within ourselves. Kali is Shiva's energy.

> > > Shiva is Kali's awareness. Kalachakra is

> > > > Shiva and Kali together.

> > > > When Shiva and Shakti come together, there is

> > > great power, liberation and freedom from

> > > > death.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> > > <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > May i know if kali_ma is a tantric deity?

> > > > >

> > > > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote: I'm not

> > > sure how your answer applies to

> > > > my question about this particular Kali mantra.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> > > <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am more familiar with Vajrayogini which is

> > > one of the tantric deity. This needs

> > > > > initiations

> > > > > > to be able to pracitce her. A highest level

> > > of practitioner can gain elightenment

> > > > within

> > > > > one

> > > > > > life's time. On the medium levels, withing 7

> > > lives time and on the lower levels,

> > > those

> > > > > who

> > > > > > just keep commitments can gain liberations

> > > within 14 lives time.

> > > > > > Tara

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thehealingdrum <thehealingdrum@> wrote:

> > > > > > No. But, that doesn't mean it's a good idea

> > > to practice any set of

> > > > > > bija sounds. My question is whether this is an

> > > authentic mantra.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kali_Ma, norguma tara

> > > <tara_norguma@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May I ask if one need initiations to

> > > practise this Kali_ma?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tara

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > OM HUM HUM KRIM KRIM KRIM HRIM HRIM

> > > DAKSHINE KALIKE SWAHA

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> > > > > > > I fear it may be a typo. Anyone recognize it

> > > in this exact sequence?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If it is familiar, what different effect

> > > does it have in comparison

> > > > > > with the 22 syllable

> > > > > > > mantra?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > Mike

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