Para beads, etc.

May 3, 2003

Dear Kirk,

You're still grunting very well. Barbara

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Kirk

Saturday, May 03, 2003 2:23 PM

Re: Para beads, etc.

Yesterday when I said, "what's the point" I had meant what does paraad have to

do with spirituality. I didn't mean what's the point of talking about it. I'm

sorry to people if I'm sounding tired or lazy, that's how I feel now that I'm

back cooking from 5 in the mornings. When I get home I'm flat out blasted and

too tired to grunt. So forgive me for not makiing my points very clear.

-

thunderheals

Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:51 PM

Re: Para beads, etc.

Thunder Head is a very cool name..really :-)

Chose Thunderheals cause all the other Thunder names I wanted were taken :-)

Actually, it refers to the Native American Thunder Society of Plains

tribes..elements of which are very similar to Shaivite Yoga ..some scholars

have traced tradition back to Lord Shiva and there were reports that say

that

Mahavatar Babaji had several manifestations amongst Plains Tribes.

In a message dated 5/3/2003 1:39:37 PM Central Daylight Time, barbjs

writes:

> Hi, I realized my mistake after I had made it also. It really is funny.

> Sorry, I didn't mean any disrespect. Barbara

>

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May 3, 2003

Dear Kirkji

Thanks......understand .......really didnt sound like you......working for that

many hours has to be a totally grounding experience........... Wishing you and

Family the Best of Health Happiness and Good Fortune

Thanks and Take Care

DharmaDev

Kirk <kirk_bernhardt

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Saturday, May 03, 2003 2:24 PM

Re: Para beads, etc.

Yesterday when I said, "what's the point" I had meant what does paraad have to

do with spirituality. I didn't mean what's the point of talking about it. I'm

sorry to people if I'm sounding tired or lazy, that's how I feel now that I'm

back cooking from 5 in the mornings. When I get home I'm flat out blasted and

too tired to grunt. So forgive me for not makiing my points very clear.

-

thunderheals

Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:51 PM

Re: Para beads, etc.

Thunder Head is a very cool name..really :-)

Chose Thunderheals cause all the other Thunder names I wanted were taken :-)

Actually, it refers to the Native American Thunder Society of Plains

tribes..elements of which are very similar to Shaivite Yoga ..some scholars

have traced tradition back to Lord Shiva and there were reports that say that

Mahavatar Babaji had several manifestations amongst Plains Tribes.

In a message dated 5/3/2003 1:39:37 PM Central Daylight Time, barbjs

writes:

> Hi, I realized my mistake after I had made it also. It really is funny.

> Sorry, I didn't mean any disrespect. Barbara

>

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May 4, 2003

Thank You KJ - Same To You.

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ShiningLotus

Saturday, May 03, 2003 9:02 PM

Re: Para beads, etc.

Dear Kirkji

Thanks......understand .......really didnt sound like you......working for

that many hours has to be a totally grounding experience........... Wishing you

and Family the Best of Health Happiness and Good Fortune

Thanks and Take Care

DharmaDev

Kirk <kirk_bernhardt

<>

Saturday, May 03, 2003 2:24 PM

Re: Para beads, etc.

Yesterday when I said, "what's the point" I had meant what does paraad have to

do with spirituality. I didn't mean what's the point of talking about it. I'm

sorry to people if I'm sounding tired or lazy, that's how I feel now that I'm

back cooking from 5 in the mornings. When I get home I'm flat out blasted and

too tired to grunt. So forgive me for not makiing my points very clear.

-

thunderheals

Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:51 PM

Re: Para beads, etc.

Thunder Head is a very cool name..really :-)

Chose Thunderheals cause all the other Thunder names I wanted were taken :-)

Actually, it refers to the Native American Thunder Society of Plains

tribes..elements of which are very similar to Shaivite Yoga ..some scholars

have traced tradition back to Lord Shiva and there were reports that say

that

Mahavatar Babaji had several manifestations amongst Plains Tribes.

In a message dated 5/3/2003 1:39:37 PM Central Daylight Time, barbjs

writes:

> Hi, I realized my mistake after I had made it also. It really is funny.

> Sorry, I didn't mean any disrespect. Barbara

>

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May 4, 2003

Ryan:

I spoke with you on the phone the other day. Would

> you be able to share your knowledge about using parad beads wisely

> and what they useful for.

This is a vast topic. There is a vast range of uses for para, but there is one

primary

use: meditation.

As the Hatha Yoga Pradipika, the standard text of Sun-Moon Yoga says succinctly

and

clearly:

"The mercurial, ever-moving mind when calcinated by the nada of sulfur, becomes

bound and immobilized." (4.96)

It also adds:

"By nature, mercury and mind are unsteady: there is nothing in the world that

cannot

be accomplished when these are made steady" (4.26)

Alchemically prepared mercury is the physical embodiment of the state of

consciousness that results from placing awareness in the central channel, the

sushumna. The two side channels, ida and pingala, are like sulfur and mercury.

In

hatha yoga different "holds" are utilized to fixate awareness and to "swoon" the

karmic side-channels. when mercury is prepared it is also "swooned". Thus the

two

can be used in parallel for attainment of samadhi--the settling ("sam-") of the

mind

("-adhi"). Fixation of mind = fixation of mercury.

>I'm an Ayurvedic practitioner, mainly

> nutrition and basic education. I've never heard of parad usage in my

> studies. Please share your knowledge. If you have time and are

> willing, my email is ascendwv@a...

"Mercury and breathing, when made steady, destroy diseases and the dead himself

comes to life by their use."

Again this is a vast subject. At a certain point in the preparation of mercury

it can

either be made for use as medicines or it can continue to be refined for use on

its

own, as solidified mercury. In either case mercury tends to raise pitta--it

takes a

while to build up tolerance to it. Skin eruptions can reult from its heat, also

headaches, etc. till one accustomizes to its energy. Para is great for removing

"dampness" from the body and swelling caused by blockage of the nadis or

shrotas. It

is great for sprained ankles. Attached to the waist it gives great endurance for

hiking.

It's strong auric field will remove the presence of ghosts or malevolent

entities like

nagas, etc. It also can cure streaks of bad luck or curses.

Perhaps I can locate the kirilian photograph I have of a bead and upload it

here.

I think it is important to start out slowly with a bead using it at first in the

hands for a

few minutes and then slowly increasing the time over days and weeks. In time you

know when you'll need to touch it to rebalance your shakti.

Sincerely,

Vajranatha

May 4, 2003

Dear Respected Vajranathaji

Namaskar Mitra and thank you for this detailed Knowledge of the Parad

Would be most Enlightening to see a picture of a Parad Bead in Kirilian

Photograph if this can be arranged

Thank you also for perspecitve given regarding methods to use the Parad in an

organized safe manner

Dhanyavaad Cha Pranams Mitra

DharmaDev

S.A. Feite <safeite

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Sunday, May 04, 2003 9:58 AM

Re: Para beads, etc.

Ryan:

I spoke with you on the phone the other day. Would

> you be able to share your knowledge about using parad beads wisely

> and what they useful for.

This is a vast topic. There is a vast range of uses for para, but there is one

primary

use: meditation.

As the Hatha Yoga Pradipika, the standard text of Sun-Moon Yoga says succinctly

and

clearly:

"The mercurial, ever-moving mind when calcinated by the nada of sulfur, becomes

bound and immobilized." (4.96)

It also adds:

"By nature, mercury and mind are unsteady: there is nothing in the world that

cannot

be accomplished when these are made steady" (4.26)

Alchemically prepared mercury is the physical embodiment of the state of

consciousness that results from placing awareness in the central channel, the

sushumna. The two side channels, ida and pingala, are like sulfur and mercury.

In

hatha yoga different "holds" are utilized to fixate awareness and to "swoon" the

karmic side-channels. when mercury is prepared it is also "swooned". Thus the

two

can be used in parallel for attainment of samadhi--the settling ("sam-") of the

mind

("-adhi"). Fixation of mind = fixation of mercury.

>I'm an Ayurvedic practitioner, mainly

> nutrition and basic education. I've never heard of parad usage in my

> studies. Please share your knowledge. If you have time and are

> willing, my email is ascendwv@a...

"Mercury and breathing, when made steady, destroy diseases and the dead himself

comes to life by their use."

Again this is a vast subject. At a certain point in the preparation of mercury

it can

either be made for use as medicines or it can continue to be refined for use on

its

own, as solidified mercury. In either case mercury tends to raise pitta--it

takes a

while to build up tolerance to it. Skin eruptions can reult from its heat, also

headaches, etc. till one accustomizes to its energy. Para is great for removing

"dampness" from the body and swelling caused by blockage of the nadis or

shrotas. It

is great for sprained ankles. Attached to the waist it gives great endurance for

hiking.

It's strong auric field will remove the presence of ghosts or malevolent

entities like

nagas, etc. It also can cure streaks of bad luck or curses.

Perhaps I can locate the kirilian photograph I have of a bead and upload it

here.

I think it is important to start out slowly with a bead using it at first in the

hands for a

few minutes and then slowly increasing the time over days and weeks. In time you

know when you'll need to touch it to rebalance your shakti.

Sincerely,

Vajranatha

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May 4, 2003

I do wish to appear disrespectful or cynical. However Mr. Kirk and I

are aware of a number of Canadians and Americans (the magician Doug

Henning being one of them) who might have been freed from

the "addiction and attachment to time" by dying of brain tumors

during the prime of their life after apparantly ingesting rasayanas

made with mercury transmuted in the ancient Vedic ways. I do not

doubt the ancient Vedic ways, but I do doubt that they can be

completely duplicated in our time. The Soma plant is gone from us.

I suspect the ability to safely transmute heavy metals is now also

beyond our reach.

, thunderheals@a...

wrote:

>

> There is also some extraordinary documentation on the net regarding

the use

> of parad in Spiritual practices. It is connected to Lord Shiva's

form of

> Bhairava and is said to free practitioner from the "addiction and

attachment

> to time".

>

May 4, 2003

, "Tom Pall" <tpall@r...>

wrote:

> I do wish to appear disrespectful or cynical. However Mr. Kirk and I

> are aware of a number of Canadians and Americans (the magician Doug

> Henning being one of them) who might have been freed from

> the "addiction and attachment to time" by dying of brain tumors

> during the prime of their life after apparantly ingesting rasayanas

> made with mercury transmuted in the ancient Vedic ways.

Is there actual evidence that this is the case? By "evidence, I mean was this

the result

of the autopsy?

I suspect it is an error probably based on the fact that medically prepared

mercury

will still show up in your hair. From that fact some erroneous conclusions were

drawn,

i.e. that is what killed him and that it gave him brain tumors. If you have

evidence, i

would love to hear it.

As someone who is the head of a department of Nuclear and Molecular medicine for

many years, I work every day with close isotopes of lead, mercury and gold.

Their

properties when correctly prepared are well known and not harmful when correctly

prepapred and used. In fact they are often therapeutic.

Sincerely,

Vajranatha

May 4, 2003

Steve:

Thank you so much for this information. I am Pitta/Vata with more

Pitta than Vata.

Would you recomend one bead or is a mala useful? When worn around

the waist, would this be a string of beads or just a few?

My main interest is meditation, not hiking. Although, I do enjoy

hiking occasionally.

I appreciate your help in this matter.

Ryan-

, "S.A. Feite"

<safeite@p...> wrote:

>

> Ryan:

>

> I spoke with you on the phone the other day. Would

> > you be able to share your knowledge about using parad beads

wisely

> > and what they useful for.

>

> This is a vast topic. There is a vast range of uses for para, but

there is one primary

> use: meditation.

>

> As the Hatha Yoga Pradipika, the standard text of Sun-Moon Yoga

says succinctly and

> clearly:

>

> "The mercurial, ever-moving mind when calcinated by the nada of

sulfur, becomes

> bound and immobilized." (4.96)

>

> It also adds:

>

> "By nature, mercury and mind are unsteady: there is nothing in the

world that cannot

> be accomplished when these are made steady" (4.26)

>

> Alchemically prepared mercury is the physical embodiment of the

state of

> consciousness that results from placing awareness in the central

channel, the

> sushumna. The two side channels, ida and pingala, are like sulfur

and mercury. In

> hatha yoga different "holds" are utilized to fixate awareness and

to "swoon" the

> karmic side-channels. when mercury is prepared it is

also "swooned". Thus the two

> can be used in parallel for attainment of samadhi--the settling

("sam-") of the mind

> ("-adhi"). Fixation of mind = fixation of mercury.

>

> >I'm an Ayurvedic practitioner, mainly

> > nutrition and basic education. I've never heard of parad usage

in my

> > studies. Please share your knowledge. If you have time and are

> > willing, my email is ascendwv@a...

>

> "Mercury and breathing, when made steady, destroy diseases and the

dead himself

> comes to life by their use."

>

> Again this is a vast subject. At a certain point in the preparation

of mercury it can

> either be made for use as medicines or it can continue to be

refined for use on its

> own, as solidified mercury. In either case mercury tends to raise

pitta--it takes a

> while to build up tolerance to it. Skin eruptions can reult from

its heat, also

> headaches, etc. till one accustomizes to its energy. Para is great

for removing

> "dampness" from the body and swelling caused by blockage of the

nadis or shrotas. It

> is great for sprained ankles. Attached to the waist it gives great

endurance for hiking.

> It's strong auric field will remove the presence of ghosts or

malevolent entities like

> nagas, etc. It also can cure streaks of bad luck or curses.

>

> Perhaps I can locate the kirilian photograph I have of a bead and

upload it here.

>

> I think it is important to start out slowly with a bead using it at

first in the hands for a

> few minutes and then slowly increasing the time over days and

weeks. In time you

> know when you'll need to touch it to rebalance your shakti.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Vajranatha

May 4, 2003

So would the effects of the beads still transmit through laquer.?

May 4, 2003

Dear Tom & Listmembers:

While my interest is mainly in the Ayurvedic herbal materia medica, i

do have first hand experience visiting with a number of Ayurvedic

manufacturers in South India. While the art of purifying parad is

certainly not lost (i have witnessed it myself in Tamil Nadu), even

people within the industry say that caution needs to be exercised

regarding the source and the quality of mercurial and metallic

preparations (rasayanas or otherwise) as they are not quite what they

used to be. This is one reason why a lot of the firms in Kerala

primarily use plant medicine although every one of them will at least

have the obligatory Makaradwaja and a few bhasmas. Also rasayanas are

not taken flippantly at all. The body first needs to be purified

before rasayanas are administered with strict dietary regulations for

them to be really effective. IMHO, it would be wise to exercise

extreme caution before ingesting anything with parad in it.

Suraj

May 4, 2003

Dear Saraj,

Thank you for not addressing me with an appellation appropriate only

when addressing a satguru. Thank you further for not starting with a

sickeningly sweet benediction, ending with a florid valediction, and

stating your response in the obsequious and fawning manner which

seems to be such a fashion here. I often wonder whether or not this

is a discussion group or a virtual reality game where people pretend

they're in a play that takes place long, long ago.

I deeply respect ayurvedic practitioners, despite the fact that I

work with so many Sikhs and Hindus who wonder why I should be so

superstitious. I can appreciate their skepticism, despite the fact

that many have brothers, sisters, mothers or fathers who practice

ayurvedic medicine in India. I write this wearing 17 108+1 five

mukhi malas and my sidha mala. The Rain Raga plays in the

background. I know empirically that many things work. I also know

that this is knowledge and wisdom from the Bronze Age. Heavy metal

therapy was wonderful in medicine before antibiotics. I'm aware that

antibiotic therapy has unintended consequences, but so does therapy

with heavy metals. Heavy metals have so many more unintended

consequences that we now choose the risk of the antibiotics over the

risk of the heavy metals.

I argue that because something worked and was safe in the past

doesn't mean it'll work now or be safe now. Plants that existed

during the last Vedic golden age are extinct. I can assure you that

no one this year has offered me soma juice that after a messy

purification allowed me to see a thousand summers. The nutrients in

the soil aren't what they used to be. Nor is the air. The nutrients

which perhaps counteracted deleterious effects these powerful cures

had might no longer exist in our food.

I suspect, Suraj, that I'll exercise a bit more than extreme caution

before ingesting parad.

Tom

May 4, 2003

Dear Respected Surajji

Namaskar Mitra and thank you again for practical Knowledge and a perspective we

would be hard pressed to find without visiting the manufacturers ourselves

This is totally great information

Am sure the more parad and onions we drink with our milk the more we will be

able to introduce words like...... obsequious florid valediction ???......... or

is that........... obsequious floral valediction : ) Sounds like a new

Multicolored Intelectual Flower species Ha.........Way 2 funny : )

Dhanyvaad Cha Pranams Mitra

DharmaDev Arya

surajraghavan2002 <suraj_raghavan

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Sunday, May 04, 2003 3:42 PM