Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Dhanyawaad cha Pranams Mitraji How do to identify quality of rudraksha beads (i mean the power). My friend of mine met a astrologer who sets the price of rudraksha by keeping it in his hand. Astrologer says that rudraksha expert can identify the power of rudrakhsa by placing it in hand. What is your opinion about this. With Warm Regards Satish Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions./yplus/yoffer.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Namaste Satishji: I must say that I am a bit susupect of anyone who advertises their "services" as having a "special gift" with rudraksha. What it says to me is then such a person will justify charging more than the fair market value for a bead because it is more "powerful". The presence of the the Divine is in ALL rudraksha. How can that Divinity be more present in one bead vs. another of the same mukhi? Given that you are not purchasing a bead that is damaged, having bad cracks in it or fungus..All rudraksha are equally Divine. As Dharma Devaji has mentioned, puja and blessing done with the beads further enhances and activates the power. All loose beads and malas coming from Rudra Center and Its Distributors are blessed. The rudrakshas stand for being Self Empowered and Liberated. There will always be individuals who will try to place themselves as a mediator between people and this power for their own gain or due to their own lack of understanding. The methodology of interaction between the individual soul and the rudraksha is as simple as it is powerful. It is because the rudraksha are truly gifts to humanity out of Lord Shiva's Grace. So there is a direct transmission of this Grace via the beads to all who would want them and need them. Anything else is an attempt to interfere with this Benediction of Divine Love. Om Namah Shivaya Kanti In a message dated 7/21/2003 2:38:57 AM Central Daylight Time, ksatishkumar_in writes: > Dhanyawaad cha Pranams Mitraji > > > How do to identify quality of rudraksha beads (i mean > the power). My friend of mine met a astrologer who > sets the price of rudraksha by keeping it in his hand. > Astrologer says that rudraksha expert can identify the > power of rudrakhsa by placing it in hand. What is your > opinion about this. > > > With Warm Regards > Satish > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 It could take a long time to get a whole mala. - kumar satish Monday, July 21, 2003 2:38 AM RBSC : Quality of Rudraksha Beads Dhanyawaad cha Pranams Mitraji How do to identify quality of rudraksha beads (i mean the power). My friend of mine met a astrologer who sets the price of rudraksha by keeping it in his hand. Astrologer says that rudraksha expert can identify the power of rudrakhsa by placing it in hand. What is your opinion about this. With Warm Regards Satish Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions./yplus/yoffer.html Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2003 Report Share Posted July 21, 2003 Dear Satishji Will try to answer from infomation provided in your message.....if I miss something please let me know Yes different people have different methods to identify the energy and power of the Holy Rudraksa however have never heard of a person setting a special price based on power of one Rudraksa being more than the power of another Rudraksa of same Mukhi...am certain it is possible that people do this though In addition some people really study the exterior protrusion designs of the Holy Rudraksa and single out the Rudraska with Aum or Tripur or Gods and Goddess that show themselves on the exterior surface of the Holy Rudraksa Also the prices do vary according to rarity of the different Mukhi............. because some Rudraksa are rarer to find than others however if all 8 Mukhi Rudraksa are of the same Authentic High Quality....... then the Holy Books consider them all to hold the same original power.....Then Holy Books say that the energy and power of the Rudraksa is actually increased simply by way of the person wearing the Rudraksa on their bodies due to recieveing of the Blessings of Lord Siva.....Energy and Power is again increased if the wearer Chants the Mantras with the Wearing Is also known that the energy and power of the Rudraksa can be increased again to a much higher level by haveing special Rudraksa Puja done for each of the different Mukhi Rudraksa as Vedmurthi Shastriji can do for anyone who makes arrangements for this to be done...website www.HinduPriest.freeservers.com Vedmurthi Shastriji is Director of Hindu Priest Puja Services and also sends Video Film of the Puja Ceremonies he does for people as part of his Service Work Hope this helps My Friend Thanks and Take Care DharmaDev Arya kumar satish <ksatishkumar_in <> Monday, July 21, 2003 12:40 AM RBSC : Quality of Rudraksha Beads Dhanyawaad cha Pranams Mitraji How do to identify quality of rudraksha beads (i mean the power). My friend of mine met a astrologer who sets the price of rudraksha by keeping it in his hand. Astrologer says that rudraksha expert can identify the power of rudrakhsa by placing it in hand. What is your opinion about this. With Warm Regards Satish Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions./yplus/yoffer.html Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 Respected Kantiji, Thank you very much for the fruitful discussion on 'Power of Rudrakshas'. As you know, as per the recent reference, there are 320 species described under the genus Elaeocarpus. In India, we get only 17 species of them. Though there is lot of morphological variation, in India, we categories mainly following types of beads. 1) Nepal beads of Patthari quality which are the best beads available as shown on the website of 'Rudra Centre'. The second quality are 'Chikana bead' which equally good in its specific gravity and hard ness, beauty but little inferior than that of the 'Patthari bead'. The third quality is of 'Indian beads' in this quality again we get lot of variation. The beads in this quality though avilable frequently are not much popular due to its looks and durability. The third type though not naturally found in India but available in India is of 'Indonesian beads'. Beads of this type are very small but are very hard and compact. These beads are more durable and does not get infected eiether by fungi or insects/ mites etc. So far, I have not seen a single spoiled bead due to infection. However, these beads do not look beautiful like 'Nepal Patthari beads'. The question comes to my mind, whether all such types are equally powerful ? If yes, as per your answer (and of course we all know that they are equally good ), then why these beads are not much popular ? We all, would like to have some more information on this. If you see the famous book by Dr. Suhas Rai, the plate showing Rudraksha photoes is of Indian types of beads and definitely not of 'Nepal Patthari or Chiokana beads'. The physical studies like that of 'Electromagnetism' etc. have been carried out on Indian beads it seems from the photoplate. The book itself gives the answer that as you said 'All types of Rudraksha beads are equally powerful'. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke. Namaste Satishji: I must say that I am a bit susupect of anyone who advertises their "services" as having a "special gift" with rudraksha. What it says to me is then such a person will justify charging more than the fair market value for a bead because it is more "powerful". The presence of the the Divine is in ALL rudraksha. How can that Divinity be more present in one bead vs. another of the same mukhi? Given that you are not purchasing a bead that is damaged, having bad cracks in it or fungus..All rudraksha are equally Divine. As Dharma Devaji has mentioned, puja and blessing done with the beads further enhances and activates the power. All loose beads and malas coming from Rudra Center and Its Distributors are blessed. The rudrakshas stand for being Self Empowered and Liberated. There will always be individuals who will try to place themselves as a mediator between people and this power for their own gain or due to their own lack of understanding. The methodology of interaction between the individual soul and the rudraksha is as simple as it is powerful. It is because the rudraksha are truly gifts to humanity out of Lord Shiva's Grace. So there is a direct transmission of this Grace via the beads to all who would want them and need them. Anything else is an attempt to interfere with this Benediction of Divine Love. Om Namah Shivaya Kanti In a message dated 7/21/2003 2:38:57 AM Central Daylight Time, ksatishkumar_in writes: > Dhanyawaad cha Pranams Mitraji > > > How do to identify quality of rudraksha beads (i mean > the power). My friend of mine met a astrologer who > sets the price of rudraksha by keeping it in his hand. > Astrologer says that rudraksha expert can identify the > power of rudrakhsa by placing it in hand. What is your > opinion about this. > > > With Warm Regards > Satish > To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 Namaste Chadrashekarji: I must humbly apologize for my lack of scientific knowledge of the rudraksha. My devotion to them and to Lord Shiva is what draws me to them and from there I receive what little knowledge I have from the scriptures. It is simply because a clinical analytical study of the beads does not appeal to me. The Divine Shakti has yet to be discovered with a microscope. :-) So I can only fall back on your final words of Dr. Rai's study that "All rudraksha beads are equally powerful" Can only speculate that certain beads are more popular than others due to appearance and perhaps how they are viewed culturally. With great Respect and Love, Kanti In a message dated 7/22/2003 2:36:00 AM Central Daylight Time, c_phadake writes: > Respected Kantiji, > > Thank you very much for the fruitful discussion on 'Power of Rudrakshas'. > As you know, as per the recent reference, there are 320 species described > under the genus Elaeocarpus. In India, we get only 17 species of them. Though > there is lot of morphological variation, in India, we categories mainly > following types of beads. 1) Nepal beads of Patthari quality which are the best > beads available as shown on the website of 'Rudra Centre'. The second quality > are 'Chikana bead' which equally good in its specific gravity and hard ness, > beauty but little inferior than that of the 'Patthari bead'. The third > quality is of 'Indian beads' in this quality again we get lot of variation. The > beads in this quality though avilable frequently are not much popular due to > its looks and durability. The third type though not naturally found in India > but available in India is of 'Indonesian beads'. Beads of this type are very > small but are very hard and compact. These beads are more durable and does > not get infected eiether by fungi or insects/ mites etc. So far, I have not > seen a single spoiled bead due to infection. However, these beads do not > look beautiful like 'Nepal Patthari beads'. The question comes to my mind, > whether all such types are equally powerful ? If yes, as per your answer (and > of course we all know that they are equally good ), then why these beads are > not much popular ? We all, would like to have some more information on this. > If you see the famous book by Dr. Suhas Rai, the plate showing Rudraksha > photoes is of Indian types of beads and definitely not of 'Nepal Patthari or > Chiokana beads'. The physical studies like that of 'Electromagnetism' etc. > have been carried out on Indian beads it seems from the photoplate. The book > itself gives the answer that as you said 'All types of Rudraksha beads are > equally powerful'. > > Thanking you and with regards. > > Chandrashekhar Phadke. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2003 Report Share Posted July 22, 2003 Dear DharmaDev Aryaji, I had asked this question because expect for Rudra Center/Rudra Life/India times all other web sites sells rudrakshas in astronomical price (almost ten times). What is your opinion on rudraksha.co.uk web site, they had removed rating of rudraksha vendors. With Warm Regards, Satish --- ShiningLotus <shininglotus wrote: Dear Satishji Will try to answer from infomation provided in your message.....if I miss something please let me know Yes different people have different methods to identify the energy and power of the Holy Rudraksa however have never heard of a person setting a special price based on power of one Rudraksa being more than the power of another Rudraksa of same Mukhi...am certain it is possible that people do this though In addition some people really study the exterior protrusion designs of the Holy Rudraksa and single out the Rudraska with Aum or Tripur or Gods and Goddess that show themselves on the exterior surface of the Holy Rudraksa Also the prices do vary according to rarity of the different Mukhi............. because some Rudraksa are rarer to find than others however if all 8 Mukhi Rudraksa are of the same Authentic High Quality....... then the Holy Books consider them all to hold the same original power.....Then Holy Books say that the energy and power of the Rudraksa is actually increased simply by way of the person wearing the Rudraksa on their bodies due to recieveing of the Blessings of Lord Siva.....Energy and Power is again increased if the wearer Chants the Mantras with the Wearing Is also known that the energy and power of the Rudraksa can be increased again to a much higher level by haveing special Rudraksa Puja done for each of the different Mukhi Rudraksa as Vedmurthi Shastriji can do for anyone who makes arrangements for this to be done...website www.HinduPriest.freeservers.com Vedmurthi Shastriji is Director of Hindu Priest Puja Services and also sends Video Film of the Puja Ceremonies he does for people as part of his Service Work Hope this helps My Friend DharmaDev Arya Thanks and Take Care kumar satish <ksatishkumar_in <> Monday, July 21, 2003 12:40 AM RBSC : Quality of Rudraksha Beads Dhanyawaad cha Pranams Mitraji How do to identify quality of rudraksha beads (i mean the power). My friend of mine met a astrologer who sets the price of rudraksha by keeping it in his hand. Astrologer says that rudraksha expert can identify the power of rudrakhsa by placing it in hand. What is your opinion about this. With Warm Regards Satish Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions./yplus/yoffer.html Sponsor To send an email to: Terms of Service. Sponsor To send an email to: Terms of Service. Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions./yplus/yoffer.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 Dear Satishji Thank you for your message My Friend.......if this is the same company that placed the list on their webpage.........stateing that most all the other Rudraksa Distributors in the world...... were sellers of fake beads....then opinion would be fairly critical A number of major international Distribuors had a problem in 2002 with a company called Hanuman Limited in Fairfield Iowa........The son of the owner thought it would be a good idea to place a list on a UK website...... again showing most all other companies they were not connected with to be selling fake beads.......we were only one of the companies that contacted them and asked them to remove the list......after we spoke to them regarding possible litigation proceedings they removed the list at that time also This world can be a great adventure My Friend Thanks and Take Care DharmaDev kumar satish <ksatishkumar_in <> Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:09 PM Re: RBSC : Quality of Rudraksha Beads Dear DharmaDev Aryaji, I had asked this question because expect for Rudra Center/Rudra Life/India times all other web sites sells rudrakshas in astronomical price (almost ten times). What is your opinion on rudraksha.co.uk web site, they had removed rating of rudraksha vendors. With Warm Regards, Satish --- ShiningLotus <shininglotus wrote: Dear Satishji Will try to answer from infomation provided in your message.....if I miss something please let me know Yes different people have different methods to identify the energy and power of the Holy Rudraksa however have never heard of a person setting a special price based on power of one Rudraksa being more than the power of another Rudraksa of same Mukhi...am certain it is possible that people do this though In addition some people really study the exterior protrusion designs of the Holy Rudraksa and single out the Rudraska with Aum or Tripur or Gods and Goddess that show themselves on the exterior surface of the Holy Rudraksa Also the prices do vary according to rarity of the different Mukhi............. because some Rudraksa are rarer to find than others however if all 8 Mukhi Rudraksa are of the same Authentic High Quality....... then the Holy Books consider them all to hold the same original power.....Then Holy Books say that the energy and power of the Rudraksa is actually increased simply by way of the person wearing the Rudraksa on their bodies due to recieveing of the Blessings of Lord Siva.....Energy and Power is again increased if the wearer Chants the Mantras with the Wearing Is also known that the energy and power of the Rudraksa can be increased again to a much higher level by haveing special Rudraksa Puja done for each of the different Mukhi Rudraksa as Vedmurthi Shastriji can do for anyone who makes arrangements for this to be done...website www.HinduPriest.freeservers.com Vedmurthi Shastriji is Director of Hindu Priest Puja Services and also sends Video Film of the Puja Ceremonies he does for people as part of his Service Work Hope this helps My Friend DharmaDev Arya Thanks and Take Care kumar satish <ksatishkumar_in <> Monday, July 21, 2003 12:40 AM RBSC : Quality of Rudraksha Beads Dhanyawaad cha Pranams Mitraji How do to identify quality of rudraksha beads (i mean the power). My friend of mine met a astrologer who sets the price of rudraksha by keeping it in his hand. Astrologer says that rudraksha expert can identify the power of rudrakhsa by placing it in hand. What is your opinion about this. With Warm Regards Satish Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions./yplus/yoffer.html Sponsor To send an email to: Terms of Service. Sponsor To send an email to: Terms of Service. Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions./yplus/yoffer.html Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 Respected Kantiji, Thank you very much for your reply. To my mind, I do not understand why you want to apologize mentioning that you do not have scientific knowledge of Rudraksha when you definitely have. I am a biotechnologist, however, I do understand that there are many things and happenings in this visible world, which are, beyond the existing scientific knowledge. In simple words, there are many things which do not have any scientific explanation, but still they are definitely there. Dr. Suhas Rai, has never mentioned in his book that "All Rudrakshas are eaually powerful". I would like to draw attention of our club members that the studies undertaken by Dr. Suhas Rai, are on Indian type of Rudraksha beads and not on Nepal Patthari type of beads, as it appears from the photoplate given in the book 'Rudraksha' written by him. He has not undertaken any comparative studies in different types of Rudrakshas. This naturally gives the impression that other 'so called' inferior qualityj Indian beads also have similar properties. As I had earlier mentioned in my mail that there are different morphological bead patterns in rudrakshas. In my own collection, so far I have at least 12 different types of authentic beads upto 21 mukhi. I do agree with the fact that 'Nepal Patthari beads' are excellent in its looks but are expensive for a common man. There are beads which are cheaper in comparision with 'Patthari beads'. Common man is interested in results and not in beauty of the bead. These beads are popular than that of the Indian and Indonesian beads, but of course this does not mean that, all other types are eiether useless or fake ( ?). If you go to any pilgrim, you will see Sadhus and common people wearing ordinary Indian beads with the same respect. There are Indian beads in use and shown on different websites as under : Commonly used 'Cashew Nut Ek Mukhi' is in fact a Rameshwari bead. Oblong sandy white 2 mukhi and 3 mukhi are also Indian beads and are popularly known as 'Haridwar 2 and 3 mukhi'. In this type again rarely we get 'Haridwar Ek Mukhi' which is similar in its looks as sandy white 3 mukhi. The other Indian 2 mukhi flat bead which is also known as 'Shiva-Parvati' bead though totally different morphologically is a species Elaeocarpus tuberculatus and Elaeocarpus oblongus. If we accept these Indian beads, then why not other higher mukhi beads ? A common does not have any idea about Rudraksha beads. If our common man does not have any yard stick to judge the power of Rudrakshas, (as you have rightly mentioned 'Divine Shakti has yet to be discovered with a microscope' ) then we do not have any other option left other than 'to go scientifically to judge other beads'. I feel it is a responsibility of we all, to study and regognize other bead types enabling a common man to purchase them in an affordable price to take 'Rudraksha Movement' forward. For example, the best quality 14 mukhi Patthari bead costs not less than Rs. 10,000/- it seems, however, the cheapest quality cent per cent 14 mukhi authentic bead , which is rough in its look but having similar hard ness and durability, costs not more than Rs. 1000/- (possibly even less). I do understand the fact that there is 'Commercial Market' for 'Patthari Beads' and not for any other bead including that of Indonesian beads. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke thunderheals wrote: Namaste Chadrashekarji: I must humbly apologize for my lack of scientific knowledge of the rudraksha. My devotion to them and to Lord Shiva is what draws me to them and from there I receive what little knowledge I have from the scriptures. It is simply because a clinical analytical study of the beads does not appeal to me. The Divine Shakti has yet to be discovered with a microscope. :-) So I can only fall back on your final words of Dr. Rai's study that "All rudraksha beads are equally powerful" Can only speculate that certain beads are more popular than others due to appearance and perhaps how they are viewed culturally. With great Respect and Love, Kanti In a message dated 7/22/2003 2:36:00 AM Central Daylight Time, c_phadake writes: > Respected Kantiji, > > Thank you very much for the fruitful discussion on 'Power of Rudrakshas'. > As you know, as per the recent reference, there are 320 species described > under the genus Elaeocarpus. In India, we get only 17 species of them. Though > there is lot of morphological variation, in India, we categories mainly > following types of beads. 1) Nepal beads of Patthari quality which are the best > beads available as shown on the website of 'Rudra Centre'. The second quality > are 'Chikana bead' which equally good in its specific gravity and hard ness, > beauty but little inferior than that of the 'Patthari bead'. The third > quality is of 'Indian beads' in this quality again we get lot of variation. The > beads in this quality though avilable frequently are not much popular due to > its looks and durability. The third type though not naturally found in India > but available in India is of 'Indonesian beads'. Beads of this type are very > small but are very hard and compact. These beads are more durable and does > not get infected eiether by fungi or insects/ mites etc. So far, I have not > seen a single spoiled bead due to infection. However, these beads do not > look beautiful like 'Nepal Patthari beads'. The question comes to my mind, > whether all such types are equally powerful ? If yes, as per your answer (and > of course we all know that they are equally good ), then why these beads are > not much popular ? We all, would like to have some more information on this. > If you see the famous book by Dr. Suhas Rai, the plate showing Rudraksha > photoes is of Indian types of beads and definitely not of 'Nepal Patthari or > Chiokana beads'. The physical studies like that of 'Electromagnetism' etc. > have been carried out on Indian beads it seems from the photoplate. The book > itself gives the answer that as you said 'All types of Rudraksha beads are > equally powerful'. > > Thanking you and with regards. > > Chandrashekhar Phadke. > > To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 Namaste Chandrashekharji: Thank you for all that you have shared as it is very thought provoking. With most of my experience being with the Nepal Patthari beads, I do know that the price is based on rarity. The higher mukhis being less common. Indeed there is an aesthetic factor that does occur, but really feel that this is secondary. What you are describing shows the grand scale of Lord Shiva's intent to remove sorrow and suffering from the world in that there are other botanical species available. Now there is a quote from the Shiva Purana's that Dharma Devaji shared with Group quite some time ago and it should be listed in the Subject Index file under "Shiva Purana" where it is described where geographically the tears of Shiva fell on earth. Those trees being as it were the original trees from which all other species sprung forth from. To my understanding those were the trees in Nepal. Thank you for this meaningful information. Kanti In a message dated 7/23/2003 7:11:06 AM Central Daylight Time, c_phadake writes: > Respected Kantiji, > Thank you very much for your reply. To my mind, I do not understand why > you want to apologize mentioning that you do not have scientific knowledge of > Rudraksha when you definitely have. I am a biotechnologist, however, I do > understand that there are many things and happenings in this visible world, > which are, beyond the existing scientific knowledge. In simple words, there > are many things which do not have any scientific explanation, but still they > are definitely there. > > Dr. Suhas Rai, has never mentioned in his book that "All Rudrakshas are > eaually powerful". I would like to draw attention of our club members that > the studies undertaken by Dr. Suhas Rai, are on Indian type of Rudraksha beads > and not on Nepal Patthari type of beads, as it appears from the photoplate > given in the book 'Rudraksha' written by him. He has not undertaken any > comparative studies in different types of Rudrakshas. This naturally gives the > impression that other 'so called' inferior qualityj Indian beads also have > similar properties. As I had earlier mentioned in my mail that there are > different morphological bead patterns in rudrakshas. In my own collection, so far > I have at least 12 different types of authentic beads upto 21 mukhi. I do > agree with the fact that 'Nepal Patthari beads' are excellent in its looks but > are expensive for a common man. There are beads which are cheaper in > comparision with 'Patthari beads'. Common man is interested in results and > not in beauty of the bead. These beads are popular than that of the Indian > and Indonesian beads, but of course this does not mean that, all other types > are eiether useless or fake ( ?). If you go to any pilgrim, you will see > Sadhus and common people wearing ordinary Indian beads with the same respect. > There are Indian beads in use and shown on different websites as under : > Commonly used 'Cashew Nut Ek Mukhi' is in fact a Rameshwari bead. Oblong sandy > white 2 mukhi and 3 mukhi are also Indian beads and are popularly known as > 'Haridwar 2 and 3 mukhi'. In this type again rarely we get 'Haridwar Ek Mukhi' > which is similar in its looks as sandy white 3 mukhi. The other Indian 2 > mukhi flat bead which is also known as 'Shiva-Parvati' bead though totally > different morphologically is a species Elaeocarpus tuberculatus and Elaeocarpus > oblongus. If we accept these Indian beads, then why not other higher mukhi > beads ? A common does not have any idea about Rudraksha beads. If our > common man does not have any yard stick to judge the power of Rudrakshas, > (as you have rightly mentioned 'Divine Shakti has yet to be discovered with a > microscope' ) then we do not have any other option left other than 'to go > scientifically to judge other beads'. I feel it is a responsibility of we all, > to study and regognize other bead types enabling a common man to purchase > them in an affordable price to take 'Rudraksha Movement' forward. For example, > the best quality 14 mukhi Patthari bead costs not less than Rs. 10,000/- it > seems, however, the cheapest quality cent per cent 14 mukhi authentic bead , > which is rough in its look but having similar hard ness and durability, > costs not more than Rs. 1000/- (possibly even less). I do understand the fact > that there is 'Commercial Market' for 'Patthari Beads' and not for any other > bead including that of Indonesian beads. > > Thanking you and with regards. > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 Dear Respected Chandrashekharji Thank you as always for shareing your immense wealth of Knowledge with us......had a question about your last sentence....... says there is a commercial market for the Patthari Beads and not for any other beads includeing that of Indonesian Beads.....need clarification on this as maybe am not understanding this sentence correctly.....we have found the majority of Rudraksa Beads sold internationally are the small Indonesion Beads that are used for Japa Malas....also found some of the Indonesian Beads in the higher Mukhis are almost the same size and are less price than the Himalayan Rudraksa....however Himalayan Rudraska are a much heavier Bead with thicker exterior protrusion patterns Thanks and Take Care My Friend DharmaDev chandrashekhar phadake <c_phadake <> Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:49 AM Re: RBSC : Quality of Rudraksha Beads Respected Kantiji, Thank you very much for your reply. To my mind, I do not understand why you want to apologize mentioning that you do not have scientific knowledge of Rudraksha when you definitely have. I am a biotechnologist, however, I do understand that there are many things and happenings in this visible world, which are, beyond the existing scientific knowledge. In simple words, there are many things which do not have any scientific explanation, but still they are definitely there. Dr. Suhas Rai, has never mentioned in his book that "All Rudrakshas are eaually powerful". I would like to draw attention of our club members that the studies undertaken by Dr. Suhas Rai, are on Indian type of Rudraksha beads and not on Nepal Patthari type of beads, as it appears from the photoplate given in the book 'Rudraksha' written by him. He has not undertaken any comparative studies in different types of Rudrakshas. This naturally gives the impression that other 'so called' inferior qualityj Indian beads also have similar properties. As I had earlier mentioned in my mail that there are different morphological bead patterns in rudrakshas. In my own collection, so far I have at least 12 different types of authentic beads upto 21 mukhi. I do agree with the fact that 'Nepal Patthari beads' are excellent in its looks but are expensive for a common man. There are beads which! are cheaper in comparision with 'Patthari beads'. Common man is interested in results and not in beauty of the bead. These beads are popular than that of the Indian and Indonesian beads, but of course this does not mean that, all other types are eiether useless or fake ( ?). If you go to any pilgrim, you will see Sadhus and common people wearing ordinary Indian beads with the same respect. There are Indian beads in use and shown on different websites as under : Commonly used 'Cashew Nut Ek Mukhi' is in fact a Rameshwari bead. Oblong sandy white 2 mukhi and 3 mukhi are also Indian beads and are popularly known as 'Haridwar 2 and 3 mukhi'. In this type again rarely we get 'Haridwar Ek Mukhi' which is similar in its looks as sandy white 3 mukhi. The other Indian 2 mukhi flat bead which is also known as 'Shiva-Parvati' bead though totally different morphologically is a species Elaeocarpus tuberculatus and Elaeocarpus oblongus. If we accept these Indian beads, then why not other higher mukhi beads ? A ! common does not have any idea about Rudraksha beads. If our common man does not have any yard stick to judge the power of Rudrakshas, (as you have rightly mentioned 'Divine Shakti has yet to be discovered with a microscope' ) then we do not have any other option left other than 'to go scientifically to judge other beads'. I feel it is a responsibility of we all, to study and regognize other bead types enabling a common man to purchase them in an affordable price to take 'Rudraksha Movement' forward. For example, the best quality 14 mukhi Patthari bead costs not less than Rs. 10,000/- it seems, however, the cheapest quality cent per cent 14 mukhi authentic bead , which is rough in its look but having similar hard ness and durability, costs not more than Rs. 1000/- (possibly even less). I do understand the fact that there is 'Commercial Market' for 'Patthari Beads' and not for any other bead including that of Indonesian beads. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke thunderheals wrote: Namaste Chadrashekarji: I must humbly apologize for my lack of scientific knowledge of the rudraksha. My devotion to them and to Lord Shiva is what draws me to them and from there I receive what little knowledge I have from the scriptures. It is simply because a clinical analytical study of the beads does not appeal to me. The Divine Shakti has yet to be discovered with a microscope. :-) So I can only fall back on your final words of Dr. Rai's study that "All rudraksha beads are equally powerful" Can only speculate that certain beads are more popular than others due to appearance and perhaps how they are viewed culturally. With great Respect and Love, Kanti In a message dated 7/22/2003 2:36:00 AM Central Daylight Time, c_phadake writes: > Respected Kantiji, > > Thank you very much for the fruitful discussion on 'Power of Rudrakshas'. > As you know, as per the recent reference, there are 320 species described > under the genus Elaeocarpus. In India, we get only 17 species of them. Though > there is lot of morphological variation, in India, we categories mainly > following types of beads. 1) Nepal beads of Patthari quality which are the best > beads available as shown on the website of 'Rudra Centre'. The second quality > are 'Chikana bead' which equally good in its specific gravity and hard ness, > beauty but little inferior than that of the 'Patthari bead'. The third > quality is of 'Indian beads' in this quality again we get lot of variation. The > beads in this quality though avilable frequently are not much popular due to > its looks and durability. The third type though not naturally found in India > but available in India is of 'Indonesian beads'. Beads of this type are very > small but are very hard and compact. These beads are more durable and does > not get infected eiether by fungi or insects/ mites etc. So far, I have not > seen a single spoiled bead due to infection. However, these beads do not > look beautiful like 'Nepal Patthari beads'. The question comes to my mind, > whether all such types are equally powerful ? If yes, as per your answer (and > of course we all know that they are equally good ), then why these beads are > not much popular ? We all, would like to have some more information on this. > If you see the famous book by Dr. Suhas Rai, the plate showing Rudraksha > photoes is of Indian types of beads and definitely not of 'Nepal Patthari or > Chiokana beads'. The physical studies like that of 'Electromagnetism' etc. > have been carried out on Indian beads it seems from the photoplate. The book > itself gives the answer that as you said 'All types of Rudraksha beads are > equally powerful'. > > Thanking you and with regards. > > Chandrashekhar Phadke. > > To send an email to: Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 Respected Kantiji, Thank you very much for your mail. I fully agree with you regarding 'Nepal Patthari beads'. In my earlier two mails, I have already put my views about these beads. No doubt, these beads are very beautiful and have very high aesthetic look. It is also true that these beads are very rare (especially 15 mukhi and onwards). 'Shiva Purana' and 'Jabalopanishad' ( a complete Upanishad from Rugveda only on the subject 'Rudraksha') however recognises Rudrakshas for spiritual power only upto 14 mukhi. There is no reference about 'Gauri Shankar', 'Trijuti', Ganesh Gauri, Ganesh etc. I have seen that few of the people adopting Shaivaisum do not recognise even 'Cashew nut Ek mukhi' for spiritual purpose. However, I have seen some books in which there is a mention about 15 to 21 mukhi especially for 'Yoga practises' but no reference was given for this from our old Sanskrit scriptures. Unfortunately, common man know very little about this mystic bead and its properties. I always feel that further studies on Rudrakshas are very much required scientifically (this includes botanical, physical and biochemical studies), spiritually and in the light of 'Yogic practices'. Comparative studies in all types of beads found world wide are very necessary. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke thunderheals wrote: Namaste Chandrashekharji: Thank you for all that you have shared as it is very thought provoking. With most of my experience being with the Nepal Patthari beads, I do know that the price is based on rarity. The higher mukhis being less common. Indeed there is an aesthetic factor that does occur, but really feel that this is secondary. What you are describing shows the grand scale of Lord Shiva's intent to remove sorrow and suffering from the world in that there are other botanical species available. Now there is a quote from the Shiva Purana's that Dharma Devaji shared with Group quite some time ago and it should be listed in the Subject Index file under "Shiva Purana" where it is described where geographically the tears of Shiva fell on earth. Those trees being as it were the original trees from which all other species sprung forth from. To my understanding those were the trees in Nepal. Thank you for this meaningful information. Kanti In a message dated 7/23/2003 7:11:06 AM Central Daylight Time, c_phadake writes: > Respected Kantiji, > Thank you very much for your reply. To my mind, I do not understand why > you want to apologize mentioning that you do not have scientific knowledge of > Rudraksha when you definitely have. I am a biotechnologist, however, I do > understand that there are many things and happenings in this visible world, > which are, beyond the existing scientific knowledge. In simple words, there > are many things which do not have any scientific explanation, but still they > are definitely there. > > Dr. Suhas Rai, has never mentioned in his book that "All Rudrakshas are > eaually powerful". I would like to draw attention of our club members that > the studies undertaken by Dr. Suhas Rai, are on Indian type of Rudraksha beads > and not on Nepal Patthari type of beads, as it appears from the photoplate > given in the book 'Rudraksha' written by him. He has not undertaken any > comparative studies in different types of Rudrakshas. This naturally gives the > impression that other 'so called' inferior qualityj Indian beads also have > similar properties. As I had earlier mentioned in my mail that there are > different morphological bead patterns in rudrakshas. In my own collection, so far > I have at least 12 different types of authentic beads upto 21 mukhi. I do > agree with the fact that 'Nepal Patthari beads' are excellent in its looks but > are expensive for a common man. There are beads which are cheaper in > comparision with 'Patthari beads'. Common man is interested in results and > not in beauty of the bead. These beads are popular than that of the Indian > and Indonesian beads, but of course this does not mean that, all other types > are eiether useless or fake ( ?). If you go to any pilgrim, you will see > Sadhus and common people wearing ordinary Indian beads with the same respect. > There are Indian beads in use and shown on different websites as under : > Commonly used 'Cashew Nut Ek Mukhi' is in fact a Rameshwari bead. Oblong sandy > white 2 mukhi and 3 mukhi are also Indian beads and are popularly known as > 'Haridwar 2 and 3 mukhi'. In this type again rarely we get 'Haridwar Ek Mukhi' > which is similar in its looks as sandy white 3 mukhi. The other Indian 2 > mukhi flat bead which is also known as 'Shiva-Parvati' bead though totally > different morphologically is a species Elaeocarpus tuberculatus and Elaeocarpus > oblongus. If we accept these Indian beads, then why not other higher mukhi > beads ? A common does not have any idea about Rudraksha beads. If our > common man does not have any yard stick to judge the power of Rudrakshas, > (as you have rightly mentioned 'Divine Shakti has yet to be discovered with a > microscope' ) then we do not have any other option left other than 'to go > scientifically to judge other beads'. I feel it is a responsibility of we all, > to study and regognize other bead types enabling a common man to purchase > them in an affordable price to take 'Rudraksha Movement' forward. For example, > the best quality 14 mukhi Patthari bead costs not less than Rs. 10,000/- it > seems, however, the cheapest quality cent per cent 14 mukhi authentic bead , > which is rough in its look but having similar hard ness and durability, > costs not more than Rs. 1000/- (possibly even less). I do understand the fact > that there is 'Commercial Market' for 'Patthari Beads' and not for any other > bead including that of Indonesian beads. > > Thanking you and with regards. > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 Respected Dharmadevji, Thank you very much for your mail. It is said that in the world market of 'Rudraksha', 75% share goes to 'Indonesian beads', 20% of beads from other countries like India, Sri Lanka and there is hardly 5% share of the 'Nepal Patthari beads', however, I do not have any authentic reference on these figures. It is also true that 'Nepal Paathari beads' are more popular due to its beauty. I am of the opinion that after accepting all these facts and figures, it is essential to know and accept that other types including that of Indian, Sri Lankan and Indonesian beads are also genuine and authentic beads. In India, due to the spiritual importance of Rudraksha, we also get beads from other countries. However, no authentic information is available on this. Few people, treat other types as 'Fake' or of 'Substandard'. To my mind, there are two possible reasons, eiether their botanical knowledge about the plant is very poor or they want to protect their commercial interests due to the priority demand for 'Nepal Patthari bead'. This attitude affects 'Rudraksha Movement'. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke ShiningLotus <shininglotus wrote: Dear Respected Chandrashekharji Thank you as always for shareing your immense wealth of Knowledge with us......had a question about your last sentence....... says there is a commercial market for the Patthari Beads and not for any other beads includeing that of Indonesian Beads.....need clarification on this as maybe am not understanding this sentence correctly.....we have found the majority of Rudraksa Beads sold internationally are the small Indonesion Beads that are used for Japa Malas....also found some of the Indonesian Beads in the higher Mukhis are almost the same size and are less price than the Himalayan Rudraksa....however Himalayan Rudraska are a much heavier Bead with thicker exterior protrusion patterns Thanks and Take Care My Friend DharmaDev chandrashekhar phadake <c_phadake <> Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:49 AM Re: RBSC : Quality of Rudraksha Beads Respected Kantiji, Thank you very much for your reply. To my mind, I do not understand why you want to apologize mentioning that you do not have scientific knowledge of Rudraksha when you definitely have. I am a biotechnologist, however, I do understand that there are many things and happenings in this visible world, which are, beyond the existing scientific knowledge. In simple words, there are many things which do not have any scientific explanation, but still they are definitely there. Dr. Suhas Rai, has never mentioned in his book that "All Rudrakshas are eaually powerful". I would like to draw attention of our club members that the studies undertaken by Dr. Suhas Rai, are on Indian type of Rudraksha beads and not on Nepal Patthari type of beads, as it appears from the photoplate given in the book 'Rudraksha' written by him. He has not undertaken any comparative studies in different types of Rudrakshas. This naturally gives the impression that other 'so called' inferior qualityj Indian beads also have similar properties. As I had earlier mentioned in my mail that there are different morphological bead patterns in rudrakshas. In my own collection, so far I have at least 12 different types of authentic beads upto 21 mukhi. I do agree with the fact that 'Nepal Patthari beads' are excellent in its looks but are expensive for a common man. There are beads which! are cheaper in comparision with 'Patthari beads'. Common man is interested in results and not in beauty of the bead. These beads are popular than that of the Indian and Indonesian beads, but of course this does not mean that, all other types are eiether useless or fake ( ?). If you go to any pilgrim, you will see Sadhus and common people wearing ordinary Indian beads with the same respect. There are Indian beads in use and shown on different websites as under : Commonly used 'Cashew Nut Ek Mukhi' is in fact a Rameshwari bead. Oblong sandy white 2 mukhi and 3 mukhi are also Indian beads and are popularly known as 'Haridwar 2 and 3 mukhi'. In this type again rarely we get 'Haridwar Ek Mukhi' which is similar in its looks as sandy white 3 mukhi. The other Indian 2 mukhi flat bead which is also known as 'Shiva-Parvati' bead though totally different morphologically is a species Elaeocarpus tuberculatus and Elaeocarpus oblongus. If we accept these Indian beads, then why not other higher mukhi beads ? A ! common does not have any idea about Rudraksha beads. If our common man does not have any yard stick to judge the power of Rudrakshas, (as you have rightly mentioned 'Divine Shakti has yet to be discovered with a microscope' ) then we do not have any other option left other than 'to go scientifically to judge other beads'. I feel it is a responsibility of we all, to study and regognize other bead types enabling a common man to purchase them in an affordable price to take 'Rudraksha Movement' forward. For example, the best quality 14 mukhi Patthari bead costs not less than Rs. 10,000/- it seems, however, the cheapest quality cent per cent 14 mukhi authentic bead , which is rough in its look but having similar hard ness and durability, costs not more than Rs. 1000/- (possibly even less). I do understand the fact that there is 'Commercial Market' for 'Patthari Beads' and not for any other bead including that of Indonesian beads. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke thunderheals wrote: Namaste Chadrashekarji: I must humbly apologize for my lack of scientific knowledge of the rudraksha. My devotion to them and to Lord Shiva is what draws me to them and from there I receive what little knowledge I have from the scriptures. It is simply because a clinical analytical study of the beads does not appeal to me. The Divine Shakti has yet to be discovered with a microscope. :-) So I can only fall back on your final words of Dr. Rai's study that "All rudraksha beads are equally powerful" Can only speculate that certain beads are more popular than others due to appearance and perhaps how they are viewed culturally. With great Respect and Love, Kanti In a message dated 7/22/2003 2:36:00 AM Central Daylight Time, c_phadake writes: > Respected Kantiji, > > Thank you very much for the fruitful discussion on 'Power of Rudrakshas'. > As you know, as per the recent reference, there are 320 species described > under the genus Elaeocarpus. In India, we get only 17 species of them. Though > there is lot of morphological variation, in India, we categories mainly > following types of beads. 1) Nepal beads of Patthari quality which are the best > beads available as shown on the website of 'Rudra Centre'. The second quality > are 'Chikana bead' which equally good in its specific gravity and hard ness, > beauty but little inferior than that of the 'Patthari bead'. The third > quality is of 'Indian beads' in this quality again we get lot of variation. The > beads in this quality though avilable frequently are not much popular due to > its looks and durability. The third type though not naturally found in India > but available in India is of 'Indonesian beads'. Beads of this type are very > small but are very hard and compact. These beads are more durable and does > not get infected eiether by fungi or insects/ mites etc. So far, I have not > seen a single spoiled bead due to infection. However, these beads do not > look beautiful like 'Nepal Patthari beads'. The question comes to my mind, > whether all such types are equally powerful ? If yes, as per your answer (and > of course we all know that they are equally good ), then why these beads are > not much popular ? We all, would like to have some more information on this. > If you see the famous book by Dr. Suhas Rai, the plate showing Rudraksha > photoes is of Indian types of beads and definitely not of 'Nepal Patthari or > Chiokana beads'. The physical studies like that of 'Electromagnetism' etc. > have been carried out on Indian beads it seems from the photoplate. The book > itself gives the answer that as you said 'All types of Rudraksha beads are > equally powerful'. > > Thanking you and with regards. > > Chandrashekhar Phadke. > > To send an email to: Sponsor To send an email to: To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 Namaste Chandrashekarji: Yes. I agree with everything that you have said here as well as in your post to Dharma Devaji. It would seem to me that is is no coincidence as we live in Kali Yuga that the awareness of the Grace filled power of rudraksha is now growing world wide. Because of this recognition of the other species of rudraksha is very important. My feeling is that all of this is a part of Lord Shiva's Love for humanity as well as the fact that perhaps that there are more of the higher faceted mukhi available than in ancient days. Part of the work that we are doing especially here at Rudra Center Heartland as well as at Rudra Center America in California is researching the qualities of the Higher faceted Beads. We were pleased recently to find the Gayatri Mantra for Goddess Bhumi which Dharma Deva posted which will be an immense help in actualizing Devi's presence in the 18 mukhi bead. I have also just implemented a special mala design for this rudraksha which will be shown on the Rudra Center site in the near future. You are also very astute in your thinking concerning the need for further scientific research of the rudraksha. This is very needed as knowledge of the rudraksha continues to expand beyond the communities of the Indo culture and yoga practitioners. There is needed relief for humanity especially within the fields of alternative medicine. Just recently, our member, Elizabethji has brought forth this need in suggesting the development of the questionaire. We are living in exciting times. :-) Maha Pranams to you. Kanti In a message dated 7/24/2003 2:07:48 AM Central Daylight Time, c_phadake writes: > Respected Kantiji, > > Thank you very much for your mail. I fully agree with you regarding 'Nepal > Patthari beads'. In my earlier two mails, I have already put my views about > these beads. No doubt, these beads are very beautiful and have very high > aesthetic look. It is also true that these beads are very rare (especially 15 > mukhi and onwards). 'Shiva Purana' and 'Jabalopanishad' ( a complete > Upanishad from Rugveda only on the subject 'Rudraksha') however recognises Rudrakshas > for spiritual power only upto 14 mukhi. There is no reference about 'Gauri > Shankar', 'Trijuti', Ganesh Gauri, Ganesh etc. I have seen that few of the > people adopting Shaivaisum do not recognise even 'Cashew nut Ek mukhi' for > spiritual purpose. However, I have seen some books in which there is a mention > about 15 to 21 mukhi especially for 'Yoga practises' but no reference was > given for this from our old Sanskrit scriptures. Unfortunately, common man > know very little about this mystic bead and its properties. I always feel > that further studies on Rudrakshas are very much required scientifically > (this includes botanical, physical and biochemical studies), spiritually and in > the light of 'Yogic practices'. Comparative studies in all types of beads > found world wide are very necessary. > > Thanking you and with regards. > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2003 Report Share Posted July 24, 2003 Dear Respected Chandrashekharji This make perfect sense My Friend......thank you for your reply on this subject Dhanyawaad cha Pranams Mitra DharmaDev chandrashekhar phadake <c_phadake <> Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:28 AM Re: RBSC : Quality of Rudraksha Beads Respected Dharmadevji, Thank you very much for your mail. It is said that in the world market of 'Rudraksha', 75% share goes to 'Indonesian beads', 20% of beads from other countries like India, Sri Lanka and there is hardly 5% share of the 'Nepal Patthari beads', however, I do not have any authentic reference on these figures. It is also true that 'Nepal Paathari beads' are more popular due to its beauty. I am of the opinion that after accepting all these facts and figures, it is essential to know and accept that other types including that of Indian, Sri Lankan and Indonesian beads are also genuine and authentic beads. In India, due to the spiritual importance of Rudraksha, we also get beads from other countries. However, no authentic information is available on this. Few people, treat other types as 'Fake' or of 'Substandard'. To my mind, there are two possible reasons, eiether their botanical knowledge about the ! plant is very poor or they want to protect their commercial interests due to the priority demand for 'Nepal Patthari bead'. This attitude affects 'Rudraksha Movement'. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke ShiningLotus <shininglotus wrote: Dear Respected Chandrashekharji Thank you as always for shareing your immense wealth of Knowledge with us......had a question about your last sentence....... says there is a commercial market for the Patthari Beads and not for any other beads includeing that of Indonesian Beads.....need clarification on this as maybe am not understanding this sentence correctly.....we have found the majority of Rudraksa Beads sold internationally are the small Indonesion Beads that are used for Japa Malas....also found some of the Indonesian Beads in the higher Mukhis are almost the same size and are less price than the Himalayan Rudraksa....however Himalayan Rudraska are a much heavier Bead with thicker exterior protrusion patterns Thanks and Take Care My Friend DharmaDev chandrashekhar phadake <c_phadake <> Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:49 AM Re: RBSC : Quality of Rudraksha Beads Respected Kantiji, Thank you very much for your reply. To my mind, I do not understand why you want to apologize mentioning that you do not have scientific knowledge of Rudraksha when you definitely have. I am a biotechnologist, however, I do understand that there are many things and happenings in this visible world, which are, beyond the existing scientific knowledge. In simple words, there are many things which do not have any scientific explanation, but still they are definitely there. Dr. Suhas Rai, has never mentioned in his book that "All Rudrakshas are eaually powerful". I would like to draw attention of our club members that the studies undertaken by Dr. Suhas Rai, are on Indian type of Rudraksha beads and not on Nepal Patthari type of beads, as it appears from the photoplate given in the book 'Rudraksha' written by him. He has not undertaken any comparative studies in different types of Rudrakshas. This naturally gives the impression that other 'so called' inferior qualityj Indian beads also have similar properties. As I had earlier mentioned in my mail that there are different morphological bead patterns in rudrakshas. In my own collection, so far I have at least 12 different types of authentic beads upto 21 mukhi. I do agree with the fact that 'Nepal Patthari beads' are excellent in its looks but are expensive for a common man. There are beads which! ! are cheaper in comparision with 'Patthari beads'. Common man is interested in results and not in beauty of the bead. These beads are popular than that of the Indian and Indonesian beads, but of course this does not mean that, all other types are eiether useless or fake ( ?). If you go to any pilgrim, you will see Sadhus and common people wearing ordinary Indian beads with the same respect. There are Indian beads in use and shown on different websites as under : Commonly used 'Cashew Nut Ek Mukhi' is in fact a Rameshwari bead. Oblong sandy white 2 mukhi and 3 mukhi are also Indian beads and are popularly known as 'Haridwar 2 and 3 mukhi'. In this type again rarely we get 'Haridwar Ek Mukhi' which is similar in its looks as sandy white 3 mukhi. The other Indian 2 mukhi flat bead which is also known as 'Shiva-Parvati' bead though totally different morphologically is a species Elaeocarpus tuberculatus and Elaeocarpus oblongus. If we accept these Indian beads, then why not other higher mukhi beads ? A !! common does not have any idea about Rudraksha beads. If our common man does not have any yard stick to judge the power of Rudrakshas, (as you have rightly mentioned 'Divine Shakti has yet to be discovered with a microscope' ) then we do not have any other option left other than 'to go scientifically to judge other beads'. I feel it is a responsibility of we all, to study and regognize other bead types enabling a common man to purchase them in an affordable price to take 'Rudraksha Movement' forward. For example, the best quality 14 mukhi Patthari bead costs not less than Rs. 10,000/- it seems, however, the cheapest quality cent per cent 14 mukhi authentic bead , which is rough in its look but having similar hard ness and durability, costs not more than Rs. 1000/- (possibly even less). I do understand the fact that there is 'Commercial Market' for 'Patthari Beads' and not for any other bead including that of Indonesian beads. Thanking you and with regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke thunderheals wrote: Namaste Chadrashekarji: I must humbly apologize for my lack of scientific knowledge of the rudraksha. My devotion to them and to Lord Shiva is what draws me to them and from there I receive what little knowledge I have from the scriptures. It is simply because a clinical analytical study of the beads does not appeal to me. The Divine Shakti has yet to be discovered with a microscope. :-) So I can only fall back on your final words of Dr. Rai's study that "All rudraksha beads are equally powerful" Can only speculate that certain beads are more popular than others due to appearance and perhaps how they are viewed culturally. With great Respect and Love, Kanti In a message dated 7/22/2003 2:36:00 AM Central Daylight Time, c_phadake writes: > Respected Kantiji, > > Thank you very much for the fruitful discussion on 'Power of Rudrakshas'. > As you know, as per the recent reference, there are 320 species described > under the genus Elaeocarpus. In India, we get only 17 species of them. Though > there is lot of morphological variation, in India, we categories mainly > following types of beads. 1) Nepal beads of Patthari quality which are the best > beads available as shown on the website of 'Rudra Centre'. The second quality > are 'Chikana bead' which equally good in its specific gravity and hard ness, > beauty but little inferior than that of the 'Patthari bead'. The third > quality is of 'Indian beads' in this quality again we get lot of variation. The > beads in this quality though avilable frequently are not much popular due to > its looks and durability. The third type though not naturally found in India > but available in India is of 'Indonesian beads'. Beads of this type are very > small but are very hard and compact. These beads are more durable and does > not get infected eiether by fungi or insects/ mites etc. So far, I have not > seen a single spoiled bead due to infection. However, these beads do not > look beautiful like 'Nepal Patthari beads'. The question comes to my mind, > whether all such types are equally powerful ? If yes, as per your answer (and > of course we all know that they are equally good ), then why these beads are > not much popular ? We all, would like to have some more information on this. > If you see the famous book by Dr. Suhas Rai, the plate showing Rudraksha > photoes is of Indian types of beads and definitely not of 'Nepal Patthari or > Chiokana beads'. The physical studies like that of 'Electromagnetism' etc. > have been carried out on Indian beads it seems from the photoplate. The book > itself gives the answer that as you said 'All types of Rudraksha beads are > equally powerful'. > > Thanking you and with regards. > > Chandrashekhar Phadke. > > To send an email to: Sponsor To send an email to: To send an email to: Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Respected Dharmadevji and Kantiji, Thank you very much for your mails. To avoid repetition I am writing to you jointly. In connection with our discussions on the subject, personally I believe that ' Knowledge generation is a continuous process for the betterment of this world' similarly, there is a fundamental principle of the scientific research that 'No word in Science is Final'. Being a scientist, I try to adopt these two. I fully agree with you that possibly in ancient period, higher mukhi beads ( 15 mukhi onwards) were not commonly available. Possibly, this could be one of the reason that there is no reference of these, eiether in 'Shiva Purana' or in 'Jabalopanishad'. Similar may be the case for other beads like Gauri Shankar, Trijuti, Ganesh, Ganesh Gauri etc. Though, there is no reference of all these higher mukhi and other beads ; this definitely does not mean that they did not exist during that period. We can only say that possibly these were not studied in more details due to lack of sufficient material. Due to easy transportation system and other developments in science, world is coming closer, enabling our access to different culture, knowledge and other material. As I had mentioned in my earlier mail, I have seen few of the references by some eminent personalities in the field of spiritualism on the use of higher mukhi beads for yogic practices. It is mentioned that these beads have positive effect on different chakras. This must be given some where in our ancient scriptures, but we do not have any idea about it. 'Rudraksha thousing therapy' in the medical field is an another interesting branch of Rudraksha studies first adopted by world famous gyneic surgeon Dr. B. M. Purandare from Bombay. Late Dr. Purandare was awarded 'Padamabhushan' for his expertise in gyenic surgery by Govt. of India. I will write about his Rudraksha studies in surgery very soon. Rudraksha thousing was not studied in ancient time, however was adopted scientifically by him very recently. He had presented his results in few world symposia on surgery. In short, knowledge generation is a continuous process and it is a responsibility of we all to add little to it. I am very much thankful to both of you for fruitful discussions on the subject. Thanking you and with personal regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke thunderheals wrote: Namaste Chandrashekarji: Yes. I agree with everything that you have said here as well as in your post to Dharma Devaji. It would seem to me that is is no coincidence as we live in Kali Yuga that the awareness of the Grace filled power of rudraksha is now growing world wide. Because of this recognition of the other species of rudraksha is very important. My feeling is that all of this is a part of Lord Shiva's Love for humanity as well as the fact that perhaps that there are more of the higher faceted mukhi available than in ancient days. Part of the work that we are doing especially here at Rudra Center Heartland as well as at Rudra Center America in California is researching the qualities of the Higher faceted Beads. We were pleased recently to find the Gayatri Mantra for Goddess Bhumi which Dharma Deva posted which will be an immense help in actualizing Devi's presence in the 18 mukhi bead. I have also just implemented a special mala design for this rudraksha which will be shown on the Rudra Center site in the near future. You are also very astute in your thinking concerning the need for further scientific research of the rudraksha. This is very needed as knowledge of the rudraksha continues to expand beyond the communities of the Indo culture and yoga practitioners. There is needed relief for humanity especially within the fields of alternative medicine. Just recently, our member, Elizabethji has brought forth this need in suggesting the development of the questionaire. We are living in exciting times. :-) Maha Pranams to you. Kanti In a message dated 7/24/2003 2:07:48 AM Central Daylight Time, c_phadake writes: > Respected Kantiji, > > Thank you very much for your mail. I fully agree with you regarding 'Nepal > Patthari beads'. In my earlier two mails, I have already put my views about > these beads. No doubt, these beads are very beautiful and have very high > aesthetic look. It is also true that these beads are very rare (especially 15 > mukhi and onwards). 'Shiva Purana' and 'Jabalopanishad' ( a complete > Upanishad from Rugveda only on the subject 'Rudraksha') however recognises Rudrakshas > for spiritual power only upto 14 mukhi. There is no reference about 'Gauri > Shankar', 'Trijuti', Ganesh Gauri, Ganesh etc. I have seen that few of the > people adopting Shaivaisum do not recognise even 'Cashew nut Ek mukhi' for > spiritual purpose. However, I have seen some books in which there is a mention > about 15 to 21 mukhi especially for 'Yoga practises' but no reference was > given for this from our old Sanskrit scriptures. Unfortunately, common man > know very little about this mystic bead and its properties. I always feel > that further studies on Rudrakshas are very much required scientifically > (this includes botanical, physical and biochemical studies), spiritually and in > the light of 'Yogic practices'. Comparative studies in all types of beads > found world wide are very necessary. > > Thanking you and with regards. > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Looking forward to seeing the information on Dr. Purandare's work, Chandrashekharji. It will certainly be a benefit to all of our members as well as those who will use the archives for research in coming years. Thank you for all you have shared with us. Many blessings, Kanti In a message dated 7/25/2003 5:05:12 AM Central Daylight Time, c_phadake writes: > Respected Dharmadevji and Kantiji, > > Thank you very much for your mails. To avoid repetition I am writing to you > jointly. In connection with our discussions on the subject, personally I > believe that ' Knowledge generation is a continuous process for the betterment of > this world' similarly, there is a fundamental principle of the scientific > research that 'No word in Science is Final'. Being a scientist, I try to > adopt these two. I fully agree with you that possibly in ancient period, higher > mukhi beads ( 15 mukhi onwards) were not commonly available. Possibly, this > could be one of the reason that there is no reference of these, eiether in > 'Shiva Purana' or in 'Jabalopanishad'. Similar may be the case for other > beads like Gauri Shankar, Trijuti, Ganesh, Ganesh Gauri etc. Though, there is no > reference of all these higher mukhi and other beads ; this definitely does > not mean that they did not exist during that period. We can only say that > possibly these were not studied in more details due to lack of sufficient > material. Due to easy transportation system and other developments in > science, world is coming closer, enabling our access to different culture, > knowledge and other material. As I had mentioned in my earlier mail, I have seen > few of the references by some eminent personalities in the field of > spiritualism on the use of higher mukhi beads for yogic practices. It is mentioned > that these beads have positive effect on different chakras. This must be > given some where in our ancient scriptures, but we do not have any idea about > it. 'Rudraksha thousing therapy' in the medical field is an another > interesting branch of Rudraksha studies first adopted by world famous gyneic surgeon > Dr. B. M. Purandare from Bombay. Late Dr. Purandare was awarded 'Padamabhushan' > for his expertise in gyenic surgery by Govt. of India. I will write about > his Rudraksha studies in surgery very soon. Rudraksha thousing was not > studied in ancient time, however was adopted scientifically by him very > recently. He had presented his results in few world symposia on surgery. > In short, knowledge generation is a continuous process and it is a > responsibility of we all to add little to it. I am very much thankful to both of you > for fruitful discussions on the subject. > > Thanking you and with personal regards. > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Dear Respected Chandrashekharji Thank you again for your detailed information......am sure all members of this group look forward to the exciteing information you will present regarding the work of Dr Purandare Thanking you for shareing your Knowlege with us My Friend Looking forward to your messages Thanks and Take Care DharmaDev chandrashekhar phadake <c_phadake <> Friday, July 25, 2003 3:04 AM Re: RBSC : Quality of Rudraksha Beads Respected Dharmadevji and Kantiji, Thank you very much for your mails. To avoid repetition I am writing to you jointly. In connection with our discussions on the subject, personally I believe that ' Knowledge generation is a continuous process for the betterment of this world' similarly, there is a fundamental principle of the scientific research that 'No word in Science is Final'. Being a scientist, I try to adopt these two. I fully agree with you that possibly in ancient period, higher mukhi beads ( 15 mukhi onwards) were not commonly available. Possibly, this could be one of the reason that there is no reference of these, eiether in 'Shiva Purana' or in 'Jabalopanishad'. Similar may be the case for other beads like Gauri Shankar, Trijuti, Ganesh, Ganesh Gauri etc. Though, there is no reference of all these higher mukhi and other beads ; this definitely does not mean that they did not exist during that period. We can only say that possibly these were not studi! ed in more details due to lack of sufficient material. Due to easy transportation system and other developments in science, world is coming closer, enabling our access to different culture, knowledge and other material. As I had mentioned in my earlier mail, I have seen few of the references by some eminent personalities in the field of spiritualism on the use of higher mukhi beads for yogic practices. It is mentioned that these beads have positive effect on different chakras. This must be given some where in our ancient scriptures, but we do not have any idea about it. 'Rudraksha thousing therapy' in the medical field is an another interesting branch of Rudraksha studies first adopted by world famous gyneic surgeon Dr. B. M. Purandare from Bombay. Late Dr. Purandare was awarded 'Padamabhushan' for his expertise in gyenic surgery by Govt. of India. I will write about his Rudraksha studies in surgery very soon. Rudraksha thousing was not studied in ancie! nt time, however was adopted scientifically by him very recently. He had presented his results in few world symposia on surgery. In short, knowledge generation is a continuous process and it is a responsibility of we all to add little to it. I am very much thankful to both of you for fruitful discussions on the subject. Thanking you and with personal regards. Chandrashekhar Phadke thunderheals wrote: Namaste Chandrashekarji: Yes. I agree with everything that you have said here as well as in your post to Dharma Devaji. It would seem to me that is is no coincidence as we live in Kali Yuga that the awareness of the Grace filled power of rudraksha is now growing world wide. Because of this recognition of the other species of rudraksha is very important. My feeling is that all of this is a part of Lord Shiva's Love for humanity as well as the fact that perhaps that there are more of the higher faceted mukhi available than in ancient days. Part of the work that we are doing especially here at Rudra Center Heartland as well as at Rudra Center America in California is researching the qualities of the Higher faceted Beads. We were pleased recently to find the Gayatri Mantra for Goddess Bhumi which Dharma Deva posted which will be an immense help in actualizing Devi's presence in the 18 mukhi bead. I have also just implemented a special mala design for this rudraksha which will be shown on the Rudra Center site in the near future. You are also very astute in your thinking concerning the need for further scientific research of the rudraksha. This is very needed as knowledge of the rudraksha continues to expand beyond the communities of the Indo culture and yoga practitioners. There is needed relief for humanity especially within the fields of alternative medicine. Just recently, our member, Elizabethji has brought forth this need in suggesting the development of the questionaire. We are living in exciting times. :-) Maha Pranams to you. Kanti In a message dated 7/24/2003 2:07:48 AM Central Daylight Time, c_phadake writes: > Respected Kantiji, > > Thank you very much for your mail. I fully agree with you regarding 'Nepal > Patthari beads'. In my earlier two mails, I have already put my views about > these beads. No doubt, these beads are very beautiful and have very high > aesthetic look. It is also true that these beads are very rare (especially 15 > mukhi and onwards). 'Shiva Purana' and 'Jabalopanishad' ( a complete > Upanishad from Rugveda only on the subject 'Rudraksha') however recognises Rudrakshas > for spiritual power only upto 14 mukhi. There is no reference about 'Gauri > Shankar', 'Trijuti', Ganesh Gauri, Ganesh etc. I have seen that few of the > people adopting Shaivaisum do not recognise even 'Cashew nut Ek mukhi' for > spiritual purpose. However, I have seen some books in which there is a mention > about 15 to 21 mukhi especially for 'Yoga practises' but no reference was > given for this from our old Sanskrit scriptures. Unfortunately, common man > know very little about this mystic bead and its properties. I always feel > that further studies on Rudrakshas are very much required scientifically > (this includes botanical, physical and biochemical studies), spiritually and in > the light of 'Yogic practices'. Comparative studies in all types of beads > found world wide are very necessary. > > Thanking you and with regards. > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > To send an email to: Sponsor To send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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