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<suraj_raghavan@h...> wrote:

> All:

> Check it out.

>

> http://www.vedamu.org/

 

Beware! Despite the surface merits of this website, it seems to be

closely associated with Sathya Sai Baba of Puttaparthi. This

personality was my sat guru for 15 years since childhood until 1999

when I discovered and confirmed with many victims all over the world

the persisting rumours about the ugly reality behind this brashta

yogi who deceive naive seekers claiming avatarhood.

 

Ole

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Ole:

I didn't recommend the site because of SSB. I thought it was neat as

there are examples from all 7 extant shakas in the vedic chanting

section. This site also has the upanishads from the four vedas. I'm

aware of some of the controversy surrounding SSB. For the record, i'm

not a devotee of SSB or any other "guru". Other than the

Sankaracharyas and the Jeeyars, i'm highly skeptical of all guru's

especially the jet setting and materialising objects kind. There are

very spiritual people in India but they don't seek publicity nor do

they travel in flashy cars and so forth. Anyways, i highly recommend

the book Yogis, Destiny and the wheel of time by KN Rao, especially

to Westerners as a good guide along the lines of " You might be

getting conned if...".

Just out of curiosity, were you in Puttaparthi between 1986 and 1993?

A really good friend of mine from Junior High moved there and i've

always wondered what happened to him.

Take Care

Suraj

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Yes, the vedic chanting section did look excellent. I wish I hadn't had my pc

speakers blown out during a thunderstorm. I would very much like to hear these

chants someday soon. Thanks for this.

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Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:51 PM

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Ole:

I didn't recommend the site because of SSB. I thought it was neat as

there are examples from all 7 extant shakas in the vedic chanting

section. This site also has the upanishads from the four vedas. I'm

aware of some of the controversy surrounding SSB. For the record, i'm

not a devotee of SSB or any other "guru". Other than the

Sankaracharyas and the Jeeyars, i'm highly skeptical of all guru's

especially the jet setting and materialising objects kind. There are

very spiritual people in India but they don't seek publicity nor do

they travel in flashy cars and so forth. Anyways, i highly recommend

the book Yogis, Destiny and the wheel of time by KN Rao, especially

to Westerners as a good guide along the lines of " You might be

getting conned if...".

Just out of curiosity, were you in Puttaparthi between 1986 and 1993?

A really good friend of mine from Junior High moved there and i've

always wondered what happened to him.

Take Care

Suraj

 

 

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Very Nice site,

Very STRONG Words, hope it is not judgemental !!!

OM !!!!

Pranamas

Ashok

 

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, "surajraghavan2002"

<suraj_raghavan@h...> wrote:

> All:

> Check it out.

>

> http://www.vedamu.org/

 

Beware! Despite the surface merits of this website, it seems to be

closely associated with Sathya Sai Baba of Puttaparthi. This

personality was my sat guru for 15 years since childhood until 1999

when I discovered and confirmed with many victims all over the world

the persisting rumours about the ugly reality behind this brashta

yogi who deceive naive seekers claiming avatarhood.

 

Ole

 

 

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Friends - let us be aware that controversy swirls around virtually every

Guru, Master or other spiritual personality. This happens primarily because

the energy around such ones catalyses upheaval and colors the perception of

the viewer. Often, we are most harsh in relation to those very qualities in

ourselves that we project onto the spiritual authority. Thus, Masters are

crucified and judged by those who cannot fully embrace themselves. The

examples are endless and well-documented....

 

As I understand it, this is not a forum for airing our judgments or

criticisms of others, but rather to share our experience of Rudraksha as a

boon to humankind. Rig Veda says, "Let us be together, let us eat together,

let us share our lives together as One... never do we denounce anyone....

never entertain negativity".

 

Peace, dear friends. Let's keep the focus on the positive.

 

Love to all,

Alan

 

 

 

>"alstrup" <alstrup

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>RBSC : Re: Mother of all vedic sites

>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:04:38 -0000

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>--- In

>, "surajraghavan2002"

><suraj_raghavan@h...> wrote:

> > All:

> > Check it out.

> >

> > http://www.vedamu.org/

>

>Beware! Despite the surface merits of this website, it seems to be

>closely associated with Sathya Sai Baba of Puttaparthi. This

>personality was my sat guru for 15 years since childhood until 1999

>when I discovered and confirmed with many victims all over the world

>the persisting rumours about the ugly reality behind this brashta

>yogi who deceive naive seekers claiming avatarhood.

>

>Ole

>

>

 

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Alan:

I'm not sure if you're aware of what the controversy is with SSB but

it is of a very serious nature. I believe he is currently being

investigated by both the FBI and there is a case currently lodged

with the Indian supreme court. I say healthy skepticism is a good

thing. The values extolled in the Rig Veda are certainly something to

aspire to but let's not lose sight of the reality of living 21st

century lives.

Peace

Suraj

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Yes, Suraj - I am not saying that we should ignore abuse or the possibility

of such. I am very aware of the controversy, but I am equally aware that

whatever we focus upon, we create more and more of the same. There will

always be some people who will have an axe to grind with anyone who has

millions of followers. I have seen this time and time again. So, we are

not in a position to be the judge and jury and put anyone on public trial in

this forum. Let those who are responsible for investigating do that. But

we are at choice as to how we create our experience individually and

specifically. And that is what I am sharing with everyone. How we will

create our experience here and now...

 

Kind regards,

Alan

 

 

 

>"surajraghavan2002" <suraj_raghavan

>

>

>RBSC : RBSC : Re: Mother of all vedic sites

>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:05:40 -0000

>

>Alan:

>I'm not sure if you're aware of what the controversy is with SSB but

>it is of a very serious nature. I believe he is currently being

>investigated by both the FBI and there is a case currently lodged

>with the Indian supreme court. I say healthy skepticism is a good

>thing. The values extolled in the Rig Veda are certainly something to

>aspire to but let's not lose sight of the reality of living 21st

>century lives.

>Peace

>Suraj

>

 

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Yes, Tina - there is a way to co-exist peacefully and that is for each of us

to allow everyone to have and express their own experience and yet, make our

own choices....

 

peace,

alan

 

 

>"Tiina Agur" <Tiina.Agur

>

>

>RBSC : RBSC : Re: Mother of all vedic sites

>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:20:42 -0000

>

>WELL SAID ALAN !

>

>There must be a way in this world to exist together in peace despite

>our differences.

>Why not practice it here: Rudraksha is for all

>mankind, doesn't matter who's the guru or what's the religion.

>

>(And anyway, the Internet is fun in this way, you can visit different

>temples and opinions, and still remain unattached. I have often found

>something that makes my heart sing in the strangest of places...)

>

>LOVE,

>Tiina

>

>, "Alan Scherr"

><source311@h...> wrote:

> > Friends - let us be aware that controversy swirls around virtually

>every

> > Guru, Master or other spiritual personality. This happens

>primarily because

> > the energy around such ones catalyses upheaval and colors the

>perception of

> > the viewer. Often, we are most harsh in relation to those very

>qualities in

> > ourselves that we project onto the spiritual authority. Thus,

>Masters are

> > crucified and judged by those who cannot fully embrace themselves.

>The

> > examples are endless and well-documented....

> >

> > As I understand it, this is not a forum for airing our judgments or

> > criticisms of others, but rather to share our experience of

>Rudraksha as a

> > boon to humankind. Rig Veda says, "Let us be together, let us eat

>together,

> > let us share our lives together as One... never do we denounce

>anyone....

> > never entertain negativity".

> >

> > Peace, dear friends. Let's keep the focus on the positive.

> >

> > Love to all,

> > Alan

> >

> >

> >

> > >"alstrup" <alstrup>

> > >

> > >

> > >RBSC : Re: Mother of all vedic sites

> > >Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:04:38 -0000

> > >

> > >--- In

> > >, "surajraghavan2002"

> > ><suraj_raghavan@h...> wrote:

> > > > All:

> > > > Check it out.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.vedamu.org/

> > >

> > >Beware! Despite the surface merits of this website, it seems to be

> > >closely associated with Sathya Sai Baba of Puttaparthi. This

> > >personality was my sat guru for 15 years since childhood until 1999

> > >when I discovered and confirmed with many victims all over the

>world

> > >the persisting rumours about the ugly reality behind this brashta

> > >yogi who deceive naive seekers claiming avatarhood.

> > >

> > >Ole

> > >

> > >

> >

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Dear Alan,

 

I am sorry to bring this up here, but I have several male friends

and aquaintances who have been systematically abused sexually for

years by this fraud godman in the sacred name of God and

spirituality. The ongoing expose of him have been in the intl media

for some years now and there are several ongoing police and judicial

investigations in different countries, including India and the US.

The US state department has even issued an official warning to

american citizens not to visit his ashram. This is a long story. I

am not out to critisize other people, especially on this board, but

since the name of this particular man is associated with this

website that was linked - and I was associated with SSB for a long

time and also have been a part of the intl expose - I feel it is my

bound dharma to make people aware of the connection, whenever I see

such indirect advertizing of the SSB name. Your quote of Rg Veda is

nice, but totally out of context as vedic law in earlier times would

have executed a man with those asuric qualities like SSB. The Kali

Yuga is an endless stream of false gurus, godmen and avatars. SSB is

perhaps the biggest fraud in the God business for the past century.

 

 

PEACE,

Ole

 

, "Alan Scherr"

<source311@h...> wrote:

> Friends - let us be aware that controversy swirls around virtually

every

> Guru, Master or other spiritual personality. This happens

primarily because

> the energy around such ones catalyses upheaval and colors the

perception of

> the viewer. Often, we are most harsh in relation to those very

qualities in

> ourselves that we project onto the spiritual authority. Thus,

Masters are

> crucified and judged by those who cannot fully embrace

themselves. The

> examples are endless and well-documented....

>

> As I understand it, this is not a forum for airing our judgments

or

> criticisms of others, but rather to share our experience of

Rudraksha as a

> boon to humankind. Rig Veda says, "Let us be together, let us eat

together,

> let us share our lives together as One... never do we denounce

anyone....

> never entertain negativity".

>

> Peace, dear friends. Let's keep the focus on the positive.

>

> Love to all,

> Alan

>

>

>

> >"alstrup" <alstrup>

> >

> >

> >RBSC : Re: Mother of all vedic sites

> >Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:04:38 -0000

> >

> >--- In

> >, "surajraghavan2002"

> ><suraj_raghavan@h...> wrote:

> > > All:

> > > Check it out.

> > >

> > > http://www.vedamu.org/

> >

> >Beware! Despite the surface merits of this website, it seems to be

> >closely associated with Sathya Sai Baba of Puttaparthi. This

> >personality was my sat guru for 15 years since childhood until

1999

> >when I discovered and confirmed with many victims all over the

world

> >the persisting rumours about the ugly reality behind this brashta

> >yogi who deceive naive seekers claiming avatarhood.

> >

> >Ole

> >

> >

>

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Allan,

I refer to my earlier posting in this thread. There are numerous

legal affadavits filed from many victims in several countries and it

has been brought to the highest levels of the Indian, UK Govts. as

well as high levels of the US Govt.

The legal case in India is very complicated due to a lot of

intertwined corruption in high circles in the judicial system in

India, as well as the PM Vajpayee being involved. It is very ugly

but Truth will prevail sooner or later. Over and out.

 

Ole

 

, "Alan Scherr"

<source311@h...> wrote:

> Yes, Suraj - I am not saying that we should ignore abuse or the

possibility

> of such. I am very aware of the controversy, but I am equally

aware that

> whatever we focus upon, we create more and more of the same.

There will

> always be some people who will have an axe to grind with anyone

who has

> millions of followers. I have seen this time and time again. So,

we are

> not in a position to be the judge and jury and put anyone on

public trial in

> this forum. Let those who are responsible for investigating do

that. But

> we are at choice as to how we create our experience individually

and

> specifically. And that is what I am sharing with everyone. How

we will

> create our experience here and now...

>

> Kind regards,

> Alan

>

>

>

> >"surajraghavan2002" <suraj_raghavan@h...>

> >

> >

> >RBSC : RBSC : Re: Mother of all vedic sites

> >Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:05:40 -0000

> >

> >Alan:

> >I'm not sure if you're aware of what the controversy is with SSB

but

> >it is of a very serious nature. I believe he is currently being

> >investigated by both the FBI and there is a case currently lodged

> >with the Indian supreme court. I say healthy skepticism is a good

> >thing. The values extolled in the Rig Veda are certainly

something to

> >aspire to but let's not lose sight of the reality of living 21st

> >century lives.

> >Peace

> >Suraj

> >

>

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Namskar

 

Yes, soft-heartedness is surely the sign of an elevated soul. And at

the same time, what did Lord Krsna instruct Arjuna to do on the

battlefield? Lord Krsna did not approve of the so-called compassion

of Arjuna for his kinsmen. Such deviation from duty does not help

one in the progress of spiritual life. We should use discrimination,

as we are all under God's Law.

 

Ole

 

, Usha Kiran

<yashodaisy21> wrote:

> Alanji,

>

> Only elevated souls have the capacity to see the things from such

pesrpective.

>

> Pranams

>

> Kiran

>

> Alan Scherr <source311@h...> wrote:

> Friends - let us be aware that controversy swirls around virtually

every

> Guru, Master or other spiritual personality. This happens

primarily because

> the energy around such ones catalyses upheaval and colors the

perception of

> the viewer. Often, we are most harsh in relation to those very

qualities in

> ourselves that we project onto the spiritual authority. Thus,

Masters are

> crucified and judged by those who cannot fully embrace

themselves. The

> examples are endless and well-documented....

>

> As I understand it, this is not a forum for airing our judgments

or

> criticisms of others, but rather to share our experience of

Rudraksha as a

> boon to humankind. Rig Veda says, "Let us be together, let us eat

together,

> let us share our lives together as One... never do we denounce

anyone....

> never entertain negativity".

>

> Peace, dear friends. Let's keep the focus on the positive.

>

> Love to all,

> Alan

>

>

>

> >"alstrup" <alstrup>

> >

> >

> >RBSC : Re: Mother of all vedic sites

> >Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:04:38 -0000

> >

> >--- In

> >, "surajraghavan2002"

> ><suraj_raghavan@h...> wrote:

> > > All:

> > > Check it out.

> > >

> > > http://www.vedamu.org/

> >

> >Beware! Despite the surface merits of this website, it seems to be

> >closely associated with Sathya Sai Baba of Puttaparthi. This

> >personality was my sat guru for 15 years since childhood until

1999

> >when I discovered and confirmed with many victims all over the

world

> >the persisting rumours about the ugly reality behind this brashta

> >yogi who deceive naive seekers claiming avatarhood.

> >

> >Ole

> >

> >

>

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