Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 He who permits (the slaughter of an animal), he who cuts it up,he who kills it, he who buys or sells (meat), he who cooks it, he who serves it up, and he who eats it, (must all be considered as) the slayers (of the animal). - Manu Samhita Obeisances to Your form as the faultless Lord Buddha, who will bewilder the Daityas and Danavas, and to Lord Kalki, the annihilator of the meat-eaters posing as kings. - "Srimad Bhagavatam" The Personality of Godhead is eternally situated within the heart of every embodied being; still the Lord remains situated apart, just as the sky, which is all-pervading, does not mix with any material object. Thus the Lord is the supreme worshipable object and the absolute controller of everything. He is elaborately glorified in the Vedic literature, but those who are bereft of intelligence do not like to hear about Him. They prefer to waste their time discussing their own mental concoctions, which inevitably deal with gross material sense gratification such as sex life and meat-eating. - Srimad Bhagavatam Meat-eaters are not allowed to purchase meat or flesh from a market or slaughterhouse. There are no sanctions for maintaining regular slaughterhouses to satisfy the tongues of meat-eaters. - Caitanya Caritamrut Adilila chapter 15 Srimad-Bhagavatam 9.6.7 Purport As far as eating beef is concerned, however, it is strictly prohibited to everyone. Thus in Bhagavad-gita Krsna personally speaks of go-raksyam, cow protection Cheese, peanuts and lentils, for instance, contain more protein per gram than hamburger, pork or porterhouse steak. The cow should be protected, milk should be drawn from the cows, and this milk should be prepared in various ways. One should take ample milk, and thus one can prolong one's life and develop the finer tissues of the brain. We are now killing millions of our mothers every year in such a brutal way in enormous slaughterhouses. The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organisation estimated that in 1984 229,249,000 cattle and calves were killed for meat production. This cow-killing is the most sinful activity and we are suffering in many ways as a result of the enormous burden of bad karma it generates. You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether they are human, animal or whatever. Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 As long as human society continues to allow cows to be regularly killed in slaughterhouses, there cannot be any question of peace and prosperity. - A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada The sin of eating meat is ascribed to three causes. That sin may attach to the mind, to words, and to acts. It is for this reason that men of wisdom who are endued with penances refrain from eating meat. - The Mahabharata, Anusasana Parva, Section CXIV Well-dressed, cooked with salt or without salt, meat, in whatever form one may take it, gradually attracts the mind and enslaves it. The Mahabharata, Anusasana Parva, Section CXIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 Molecule Found in Meat, Milk and Tumors - Study Mon Sep 29, 5:22 PM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A non-human molecule found in red meat and milk makes its way into the human system when eaten -- and seems to build up especially in tumors, U.S. researchers reported on Monday. The compound, called sialic acid, is found on the surfaces of animal cells but is not found in people, and may be one reason why animal- to-human organ and tissue transplants do not work well. Animals have a version called Neu5Gc, while humans carry Neu5Ac. But researchers at the University of California San Diego found it does show up in the human body, and showed it can be absorbed from eating red meat and milk. They also showed that the body produces an immune response against the molecule. Dr. Ajit Varki and colleagues, reporting in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (news - web sites), say it is too soon to make any recommendations based on their findings. "Of course, there are already existing recommendations that people should not consume too much food containing saturated fats, such as dairy products and red meats," Varki said in a statement. "The highest amount (of Neu5Gc) was found in lamb, pork, and beef (so-called 'red meat')," the researchers wrote. Levels were very low or undetectable in poultry and fish, vegetables and hen's eggs. Varki, who is not a vegetarian, noted that many studies have linked a diet rich in meat and milk with cancer, heart disease and other diseases. AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE "The small amounts of Neu5Gc in normal tissues also raise the possibility that anti-Neu5Gc antibodies are involved in autoimmunity," the researchers said. Autoimmune disease occur when the body mistakenly attacks healthy tissue and include type-1 or juvenile diabetes and some types of arthritis. "In this regard, it is interesting that vegetarian diet has been suggested to improve rheumatoid arthritis," they wrote. But much research has focused on the fat content of animal fat or byproducts of cooking meat as the cause of disease. Varki's collaborator Dr. Elaine Muchmore developed an antibody -- an immune system targeting protein -- that would hook onto Neu5Gc. The team found Neu5Gc in human tumor samples and to a much lower degree in healthy tissue. More tests showed that most people had made their own antibodies that recognized Neu5Gc, and thus could potentially initiate an inflammatory immune response. Varki and two colleagues drank Neu5Gc purified from pork sources, and the molecule showed up in their urine, blood, hair and saliva. "We need to find out if there is any association between the presence of Neu5Gc and/or the anti-Neu5Gc antibodies with any disease," Varki said. "This will require large-scale population studies." In some cases the human immune response was similar to that seen when people are exposed to another animal molecule, this one a cell surface molecule called alpha galactose. Varki noted that the molecule is almost certainly not immediately toxic to people. "Meat eating has certainly been a feature of human ancestors for many hundreds of thousands of years," he said. "Thus, it is indeed possible that humans have developed some kind of tolerance or indifference to Neu5Gc. However, most humans are continuing to make antibodies against Neu5Gc." It could be that the damage only builds up over years -- and that as people live longer, the consequences make themselves felt. "However, we are now living longer and the question arises whether the gradual accumulation of Neu5Gc and the simultaneous presence of antibodies against could be involved in some diseases of later life," he said. , "Nilesh" <nilesh_chandode@i...> wrote: > He who permits (the slaughter of an animal), he who cuts it up,he who > kills it, he who buys or sells (meat), he who cooks it, he > who serves it up, and he who eats it, (must all be considered as) the > slayers (of the animal). - Manu Samhita > > Obeisances to Your form as the faultless Lord Buddha, who will > bewilder the Daityas and Danavas, and to Lord Kalki, the annihilator > of the meat-eaters posing as kings. - "Srimad Bhagavatam" > > The Personality of Godhead is eternally situated within the heart of > every embodied being; still the Lord remains situated apart, just as > the sky, which is all-pervading, does not mix with any material > object. Thus the Lord is the supreme worshipable object and the > absolute controller of everything. He is elaborately glorified in the > Vedic literature, but those who are bereft of intelligence do not > like to hear about Him. They prefer to waste their time discussing > their own mental concoctions, which inevitably deal with gross > material sense gratification such as sex life and meat-eating. - > Srimad Bhagavatam > > Meat-eaters are not allowed to purchase meat or flesh from a market > or slaughterhouse. There are no sanctions for maintaining regular > slaughterhouses to satisfy the tongues of meat-eaters. - > Caitanya Caritamrut Adilila chapter 15 > > Srimad-Bhagavatam 9.6.7 Purport > > As far as eating beef is concerned, however, it is strictly > prohibited to everyone. Thus in Bhagavad-gita Krsna personally speaks > of go-raksyam, cow protection > > Cheese, peanuts and lentils, for instance, contain more protein per > gram than hamburger, pork or porterhouse steak. > > The cow should be protected, milk should be drawn from the cows, and > this milk should be prepared in various ways. One should take ample > milk, and thus one can prolong one's life and develop the finer > tissues of the brain. > > We are now killing millions of our mothers every year in such a > brutal way in enormous slaughterhouses. The United Nations Food and > Agriculture Organisation estimated that in 1984 229,249,000 cattle > and calves were killed for meat production. This cow-killing is the > most sinful activity and we are suffering in many ways as a result of > the enormous burden of bad karma it generates. > > You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, > whether they are human, animal or whatever. > Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 > > As long as human society continues to allow cows to be regularly > killed in slaughterhouses, there cannot be any question of peace and > prosperity. > > - A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada > > The sin of eating meat is ascribed to three causes. That sin may > attach to the mind, to words, and to acts. It is for this reason that > men of wisdom who are endued with penances refrain from eating meat. > - The Mahabharata, Anusasana Parva, Section CXIV > > Well-dressed, cooked with salt or without salt, meat, in whatever > form one may take it, gradually attracts the mind and enslaves it. > The Mahabharata, Anusasana Parva, Section CXIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 KariJi thanks for an information. Here is some more scripture ref. to share. "These scriptures unambiguously support the meatless way of life. In the Mahabharata, for instance, the great warrior Bhishma explains to Yudhishtira, eldest of the Pandava princes, that the meat of animals is like the flesh of one's own son, and that the foolish person who eats meat must be considered the vilest of human beings [Anu. 114.11]. The eating of 'dirty' food, it warns, is not as terrible as the eating of flesh [shanti. 141.88] (it must be remembered that the brahmanas of ancient India exalted cleanliness to a divine principle). "Similarly, the Manusmriti declares that one should 'refrain from eating all kinds of meat,' for such eating involves killing and leads to karmic bondage (bandha) [5.49]. Elsewhere in the Vedic literature, the last of the great Vedic kings, Maharajah Parikshit, is quoted as saying that 'only the animal-killer cannot relish the message of the Absolute Truth [shrimad Bhagavatam 10.1.4].' " IX. Scriptures Against Killing and Meat-Eating Hindu scripture speaks clearly and forcefully on non killing and vegetarianism. In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: "O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome, strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown." The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: "Do not injure the beings living on the earth, in the air and in the water." The beautiful Tirukural, a widely-read 2,000-year-old masterpiece of ethics, speaks of conscience: "When a man realizes that meat is the butchered flesh of another creature, he must abstain from eating it." The Manu Samhita advises: "Having well considered the origin of flesh and the cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely abstain from eating flesh." In the yoga-infused verses of the Tirumantiram, warning is given of how meat-eating holds the mind in gross, adharmic states: "The ignoble ones who eat flesh, death's agents bind them fast and push them quick into the fiery jaws of hell (Naraka, lower consciousness)." The roots of non injury non killing and nonconsumption of meat are found in the Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and dozens of other sacred texts of Hinduism. Here is a select collection. Vedas and agamas, Hinduism's Revealed Scriptures LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be of one mind, so you may live well together. Rig Veda Samhita 10.191 Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water for their needs supply. May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save us from hurt all our days, O Powers! Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11. VE, 319 One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal, and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does not desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to cut off his head. Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90 Peaceful be the earth, peaceful the ether, peaceful heaven, peaceful the waters, peaceful the herbs, peaceful the trees. May all Gods bring me peace. May there be peace through these invocations of peace. With these invocations of peace which appease everything, I render peaceful whatever here is terrible, whatever here is cruel, whatever here is sinful. Let it become auspicious, let everything be beneficial to us. Atharva Veda Samhita 10. 191. 4 Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually serious about spiritual practices. Atharva Veda Samhita 19.48.5. FS, 90 If we have injured space, the earth or heaven, or if we have offended mother or father, from that may Agni, fire of the house, absolve us and guide us safely to the world of goodness. Atharva Veda Samhita 6.120.1. VE, 636 You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether they are human, animal or whatever. Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90 May all beings look at me with a friendly eye. May I do likewise, and may we all look on each other with the eyes of a friend. Yajur Veda 36.18. Nonviolence is all the offerings. Renunciation is the priestly honorarium. The final purification is death. Thus all the Divinities are established in this body. Krishna Yajur Veda, Prana Upanishad 46- 8. VE, 413-14 To the heavens be peace, to the sky and the earth; to the waters be peace, to plants and all trees; to the Gods be peace, to Brahman be peace, to all men be peace, again and again-peace also to me! O earthen vessel, strengthen me. May all beings regard me with friendly eyes! May I look upon all creatures with friendly eyes! With a friend's eye may we regard each other! Shukla Yajur Veda Samhita 36.17-18. VE, 306; 342 No pain should be caused to any created being or thing. Devikalottara agama, JAV 69-79. RM, 116 The Mahabharata and Bhagavad Gita, Epic History The very name of the cows is aghnya, indicating that they should never be slaughtered. Who, then could slay them? Surely, one who kills a cow or a bull commits the most heinous crime. Mahabharata, Shantiparva 262.47. FS,pg. 94 The purchaser of flesh performs himsa (violence) by his wealth; he who eats flesh does so by enjoying its taste; the killer does himsa by actually tying and killing the animal. Thus, there are three forms of killing: he who brings flesh or sends for it, he who cuts off the limbs of an animal, and he who purchases, sells or cooks flesh and eats it -all of these are to be considered meat-eaters. Mahabharata, Anu. 115.40. FS, pg 90 He who desires to augment his own flesh by eating the flesh of other creatures lives in misery in whatever species he may take his birth. Mahabharata, Anu. 115.47. FS, pg. 90 One should never do that to another which one regards as injurious to one's own self. This, in brief, is the rule of dharma. Yielding to desire and acting differently, one becomes guilty of adharma. Mahabharata 18.113.8. Those high-souled persons who desire beauty, faultlessness of limbs, long life, understanding, mental and physical strength and memory should abstain from acts of injury. Mahabharata 18.115.8. Ahimsa is the highest dharma. Ahimsa is the best tapas. Ahimsa is the greatest gift. Ahimsa is the highest self-control. Ahimsa is the highest sacrifice. Ahimsa is the highest power. Ahimsa is the highest friend. Ahimsa is the highest truth. Ahimsa is the highest teaching. Mahabharata 18.116.37-41. He who sees that the Lord of all is ever the same in all that is- immortal in the field of mortality-he sees the truth. And when a man sees that the God in himself is the same God in all that is, he hurts not himself by hurting others. Then he goes, indeed, to the highest path. Bhagavad Gita 13. 27-28. BgM, pg. 101 Nonviolence, truth, freedom from anger, renunciation, serenity, aversion to fault-finding, sympathy for all beings, peace from greedy cravings, gentleness, modesty, steadiness, energy, forgiveness, fortitude, purity, a good will, freedom from pride-these belong to a man who is born for heaven. Bhagavad Gita 16.2-3. BGM, pg. 109 Tirumantiram and other Scriptures Many are the lovely flowers of worship offered to the Guru, but none lovelier than non-killing. Respect for life is the highest worship, the bright lamp, the sweet garland and unwavering devotion. Tirumantiram 197 SPIRITUAL MERIT and sin are our own making. The killer of other lives is an outcast. Match your words with your conduct. Steal not, kill not, indulge not in self-praise, condemn not others to their face. Lingayat Vachanas AHIMSA IS NOT CAUSING pain to any living being at any time through the actions of one's mind, speech or body. Sandilya Upanishad When mind stuff is firmly based in waves of ahimsa, all living beings cease their enmity in the presence of such a person. Yoga Sutras 2.35. YP, pg. 205 Those who are ignorant of real dharma and, though wicked and haughty, account themselves virtuous, kill animals without any feeling of remorse or fear of punishment. Further, in their next lives, such sinful persons will be eaten by the same creatures they have killed in this world. Shrimad Bhagavatam 11.5.4. FS, pg, 90 The Tirukural, Preeminent Ethical Scripture Perhaps nowhere is the principle of non meat-eating so fully and eloquently expressed as in the Tirukural, written in the Tamil language by a simple weaver saint in a village near Madras over 2,000 years ago. Considered the world's greatest ethical scripture, it is sworn on in South Indian courts of law. It is the principle of the pure in heart never to injure others, even when they themselves have been hatefully injured. What is virtuous conduct? It is never destroying life, for killing leads to every other sin. 312; 321, TW Harming others, even enemies who harmed you unprovoked, assures incessant sorrow. The supreme principle is this: never knowingly harm any one at any time in any way. 313; 317, TW What is the good way? It is the path that reflects on how it may avoid killing any living creature. Refrain from taking precious life from any living being, even to save your own life. 324; 327, TW How can he practice true compassion Who eats the flesh of an animal to fatten his own flesh? TK 251, TW Riches cannot be found in the hands of the thriftless. Nor can compassion be found in the hearts of those who eat meat. TK 252, TW Goodness is never one with the minds of these two: one who wields a weapon and one who feasts on a creature's flesh. TK 253, TW If you ask, "What is kindness and what is unkind?" it is not killing and killing. Thus, eating flesh is never virtuous. TK 254, TW Life is perpetuated by not eating meat. The.The clenched jaws of hell hold those who do. TK 255, TW If the world did not purchase and consume meat, there would be none to slaughter and offer meat for sale. TK 256, TW When a man realizes that meat is the butchered flesh of another creature, he must abstain from eating it. TK 257, TW Perceptive souls who have abandoned passion will not feed on flesh abandoned by life. TK 258, TW Greater than a thousand ghee offerings consumed in sacrificial fires is to not sacrifice and consume any living creature. TK 259, TW All that lives will press palms together in prayerful adoration of those who refuse to slaughter and savor meat. TK 260, TW X. Hindu Religious Leaders on Non Injury The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. Mahatma Gandhi As long as human society continues to allow cows to be regularly killed in slaughterhouses, there cannot be any question of peace and prosperity. A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada Refrain from killing knowingly even the trifling insects like a louse, a bug or a mosquito. Use no violence even to gain possession of a woman, wealth or kingdom. Never kill any animals even for the purpose of sacrifice. Non-violence is the greatest of all religions. Swami Sahajanand O lover of meditation, become pure and clean. Observe nonviolence in mind, speech and body. Never break another's heart. Avoid wounding another's feelings. Harm no one. Help all. Neither be afraid nor frighten others. Swami Muktananda Someone who believes in violence and continues causing injury to others can never be peaceful himself. Swami Satchidananda To be free from violence is the duty of every man. No thought of revenge, hatred or ill will should arise in our minds. Injuring others gives rise to hatred. Swami Sivananda By ahimsa, Patanjali meant the removal of the desire to kill. All forms of life have an equal right to the air of maya. The saint who uncovers the secret of creation will be in harmony with Nature's countless bewildering expressions. All men may understand this truth by overcoming the passion for destruction. Sri Yukteswar to Paramahansa Yogananda If you plant eggplant, you can pluck eggplants. If you sow goodness, you can reap goodness. If you sow evil, you will reap evil. Do good to all. God is there, within you. Don't kill. Don't harbor anger. Sage Yogaswami We are all of the same race and religion. We are holy beings established in Divinity itself. This truth can be understood only by those who have grasped it through the magical charm of a life of dharma-not by other means. Because of that, sages have emphatically proclaimed again and again that it is necessary to love all existing lives as one's own. Sage Yogaswami The test of ahimsa is the absence of jealousy. The man whose heart never cherishes even the thought of injury to anyone, who rejoices at the prosperity of even his greatest enemy, that man is the bhakta, he is the yogi, he is the guru of all. Swami Vivekananda Strictly speaking, no activity and no industry is possible without a certain amount of violence, no matter how little. Even the very process of living is impossible without a certain amount of violence. What we have to do is to minimize it to the greatest extent possible. Mahatma Gandhi, My Socialism, 34-35. You do not like to suffer yourself. How can you inflict suffering on others? Every killing is a suicide. The eternal, blissful and natural state has been smothered by this life of ignorance. In this way the present life is due to the killing of the eternal, pristine Being. Is it not a case of suicide? Ramana Maharshi, June 1935 Bibliography BgM: Juan Mascaro, The Bhagavad Gita (Baltimore, Penguin Books, 1966). VE: Raimundo Panikkar, The Vedic Experience (New Delhi, Motilal Banarsidass, 1989). RM: Arthur Osborne, ed., The Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi (London, Rider, 1959). YP: Rammurti S. Mishra, The Textbook of Yoga Psychology (New York, Julian Press, 1963). TW: Tiruvalluvar, Tirukural: The Weaver (English translation by Himalayan Academy, Concord, California, manuscript). FS: Steven Rosen, Food for the Spirit, Vegetarianism and the World Religions (New York, 1990). Bala Books Inc. 74 Old Westbury Road, Old Westbury, N.Y, 11568 John Robbins, Diet For a New America (Walpole, New Hampshire, 1987). Stillpoint Publishing, Box 640, Walpole, NH 03608 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 Nilesh: Thanks for the post. Just curious, have you read K.T.Achaya's "Historical Dictionary of Indian Food"? While i'm not in favor of judging people based on whether they eat meat or not, what is interesting about this book is that it offers page after page of literary evidence that meat eating was common in India until recent times and it is a common misconception that Hindus were vegetarian. Interestingly this is exactly what Ayurvedic books (with which i'm more familiar) seem to suggest as well. Makes you wonder! Suraj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 SurajJi, Thanks for your reply. Yes I agree that meat eating is going on since thousands of years. They used to offer it to godess Kali and then eat but the mantra to be chanted in front of kali has got a meaning that, This animal can become human in next birth and the person killing can become animal in next birth,and this animal may kill the human in next birth as he is doing it now... If one is serious about spiritual life then he should give up the meat eating, as there are lots of references in scriptures. Instead of following some mundane scientist it is better to follow scriptures because they are the authority. The meaning of "Scientist" is one who know things completely and as they are. So we can understand about today's so caled scientists.. My views are purely based on scriptures and for those who are serious about spiritual life. Yes one can eat anything what he likes but that is ignorance... Please forgive me if I offended anyone. Rgds, Nilesh --- surajraghavan2002 <suraj_raghavan wrote: > Nilesh: > Thanks for the post. Just curious, have you read > K.T.Achaya's "Historical Dictionary of Indian Food"? > While i'm not in favor of judging people based on whether they eat meat or not, what > is interesting about this book is that it offers > page after page of literary evidence that meat eating was common in India until recent > times and it is a common misconception that Hindus > were vegetarian. Interestingly this is exactly what Ayurvedic books (with which i'm more familiar) seem to suggest as well. Makes you > wonder! > > Suraj > > ===== - Nilesh D. Chandode, The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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