Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Namaste Tiinaji, Thanks for all the wonderful links and articles that you so kindly share with us here. You're a great treasure hunter, bless you! While I'm not familiar with the town of Lantegree and its history, I have personally seen a Black Coral mala, something like Kantha type. The beads are round-polished and big. There were only two such malas commissioned by a certain Shree Maha-Guruji in nothern India who has retired to the Himalayas long time ago after his parampara holder was anointed head of the Order. Of the two malas, one was given to a yogacharya who is also swami and sanyas. The other one was given to another beloved chela of this Shree Guruji. So far as I know, only 2 such malas were designed in the same way. Out of respect and for privacy reasons, I'm unable to disclose the names and location of those mentioned. When the two sanyas were bestowed the Black Coral Malas, they were definitely told by their Shree Guruji that the beads were black coral. Between late 1960's to late 1970's I spent time in Singapore and saw Black Onyx dimond cut beads that were made into necklaces & bracelets. It was the 'fashion' of the time. They usually has silver spacers or caps. However at the time, I did not see them being used religiously. Back to "Coral Rudraksha" -- my very humble guess is that what the "yellow-reddish coral rudraksha" as described in the article is actually one of a species of Rudraksha itself, not coral. Rudraksha come in different shades, from white to brown, etc. Because of the "thorny" surface of rudraksha, they could have been mistaken for "coral". Another guess is the term "coral rudraksha" was used by the people of the time. But that did not necessary mean it was coral from the oceans. Probably just an 'advertising term' of that period. For example when we say "Apple", some would think its apple from the Garden of Eden, apple that we can eat. Computer fans would know straight away we mean "Apple Computer" :-) Om Namah Shivaya Sy , "Tiina" <xenamacbeal> wrote: > Dear All, I came by this article "The Gems of Pre-British India" > by Manikant Shah > http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/h_es/h_es_shah_m_gems.htm > Here's an excerpt: > > "A small town named Lantegree in Maharashtra was a great centre of > coral polishing in the early seventeenth century. The preference of > the Indians and other Asians for coral was manifest even during the > ancient period, and the reason for this preference has been subject > of many dissertations. The real reason could be religious. The > reddish yellow coral is known as rudrakhsha, the eye of the Siva and > a symbol of renunciation and spirituality. It must have gained > popularity during the Tantric period of .Hinduism and (Mahayana) > Buddhism. The 'ornament for the neck' used by the common people was a > rosary of coral beads, which were counted during prayers." > > Does anyone have an idea? Have you heard of coral called rudraksh? > > Tiina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 That's where she got her title: Tiina the Treasure Finder. <g> Love, K. , "syzenith" <syzenith> wrote: > Namaste Tiinaji, > > Thanks for all the wonderful links and articles that you so kindly > share with us here. You're a great treasure hunter, bless you! > > While I'm not familiar with the town of Lantegree and its history, I > have personally seen a Black Coral mala, something like Kantha type. > The beads are round-polished and big. There were only two such malas > commissioned by a certain Shree Maha-Guruji in nothern India who has > retired to the Himalayas long time ago after his parampara holder was > anointed head of the Order. > > Of the two malas, one was given to a yogacharya who is also swami and > sanyas. The other one was given to another beloved chela of this > Shree Guruji. So far as I know, only 2 such malas were designed in > the same way. Out of respect and for privacy reasons, I'm unable to > disclose the names and location of those mentioned. When the two > sanyas were bestowed the Black Coral Malas, they were definitely told > by their Shree Guruji that the beads were black coral. > > Between late 1960's to late 1970's I spent time in Singapore and saw > Black Onyx dimond cut beads that were made into necklaces & > bracelets. It was the 'fashion' of the time. They usually has silver > spacers or caps. However at the time, I did not see them being used > religiously. > > Back to "Coral Rudraksha" -- my very humble guess is that what > the "yellow-reddish coral rudraksha" as described in the article is > actually one of a species of Rudraksha itself, not coral. Rudraksha > come in different shades, from white to brown, etc. Because of > the "thorny" surface of rudraksha, they could have been mistaken > for "coral". Another guess is the term "coral rudraksha" was used by > the people of the time. But that did not necessary mean it was coral > from the oceans. Probably just an 'advertising term' of that period. > > For example when we say "Apple", some would think its apple from the > Garden of Eden, apple that we can eat. Computer fans would know > straight away we mean "Apple Computer" :-) > > Om Namah Shivaya > Sy > > > , "Tiina" > <xenamacbeal> wrote: > > Dear All, I came by this article "The Gems of Pre-British India" > > by Manikant Shah > > http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/h_es/h_es_shah_m_gems.htm > > Here's an excerpt: > > > > "A small town named Lantegree in Maharashtra was a great centre of > > coral polishing in the early seventeenth century. The preference of > > the Indians and other Asians for coral was manifest even during the > > ancient period, and the reason for this preference has been subject > > of many dissertations. The real reason could be religious. The > > reddish yellow coral is known as rudrakhsha, the eye of the Siva > and > > a symbol of renunciation and spirituality. It must have gained > > popularity during the Tantric period of .Hinduism and (Mahayana) > > Buddhism. The 'ornament for the neck' used by the common people was > a > > rosary of coral beads, which were counted during prayers." > > > > Does anyone have an idea? Have you heard of coral called rudraksh? > > > > Tiina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Namaste Sis Kariji, Yep, you're right! Love ya Sy , "karisprowl" <karisprowl@e...> wrote: > That's where she got her title: Tiina the Treasure Finder. <g> > > Love, K. > > , "syzenith" > <syzenith> wrote: > > Namaste Tiinaji, > > > > Thanks for all the wonderful links and articles that you so kindly > > share with us here. You're a great treasure hunter, bless you! > > > > While I'm not familiar with the town of Lantegree and its history, > I > > have personally seen a Black Coral mala, something like Kantha > type. > > The beads are round-polished and big. There were only two such > malas > > commissioned by a certain Shree Maha-Guruji in nothern India who > has > > retired to the Himalayas long time ago after his parampara holder > was > > anointed head of the Order. > > > > Of the two malas, one was given to a yogacharya who is also swami > and > > sanyas. The other one was given to another beloved chela of this > > Shree Guruji. So far as I know, only 2 such malas were designed in > > the same way. Out of respect and for privacy reasons, I'm unable > to > > disclose the names and location of those mentioned. When the two > > sanyas were bestowed the Black Coral Malas, they were definitely > told > > by their Shree Guruji that the beads were black coral. > > > > Between late 1960's to late 1970's I spent time in Singapore and > saw > > Black Onyx dimond cut beads that were made into necklaces & > > bracelets. It was the 'fashion' of the time. They usually has > silver > > spacers or caps. However at the time, I did not see them being > used > > religiously. > > > > Back to "Coral Rudraksha" -- my very humble guess is that what > > the "yellow-reddish coral rudraksha" as described in the article is > > actually one of a species of Rudraksha itself, not coral. > Rudraksha > > come in different shades, from white to brown, etc. Because of > > the "thorny" surface of rudraksha, they could have been mistaken > > for "coral". Another guess is the term "coral rudraksha" was used > by > > the people of the time. But that did not necessary mean it was > coral > > from the oceans. Probably just an 'advertising term' of that > period. > > > > For example when we say "Apple", some would think its apple from > the > > Garden of Eden, apple that we can eat. Computer fans would know > > straight away we mean "Apple Computer" :-) > > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > Sy > > > > > > , "Tiina" > > <xenamacbeal> wrote: > > > Dear All, I came by this article "The Gems of Pre-British India" > > > by Manikant Shah > > > > http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/h_es/h_es_shah_m_gems.htm > > > Here's an excerpt: > > > > > > "A small town named Lantegree in Maharashtra was a great centre > of > > > coral polishing in the early seventeenth century. The preference > of > > > the Indians and other Asians for coral was manifest even during > the > > > ancient period, and the reason for this preference has been > subject > > > of many dissertations. The real reason could be religious. The > > > reddish yellow coral is known as rudrakhsha, the eye of the Siva > > and > > > a symbol of renunciation and spirituality. It must have gained > > > popularity during the Tantric period of .Hinduism and (Mahayana) > > > Buddhism. The 'ornament for the neck' used by the common people > was > > a > > > rosary of coral beads, which were counted during prayers." > > > > > > Does anyone have an idea? Have you heard of coral called rudraksh? > > > > > > Tiina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Tiina: Off the subject a bit, what are the properties of 'black coral', there is a shop in Victoria, which sells bracelets made out of black coral, bangle type, however, I'd like to know the properties ....they sell for $40.00 Canadian. Love, Lada L. Baines Financial Assistance Officer Ministry of Advanced Education Student Services Branch Tiina [xenamacbeal] October 4, 2003 12:29 PM RBSC : Re: Coral called rudraksh?/Tiinaji Dear Syji and Friends, thank you for sharing this. Regarding the coral rudraksham, I had thought along the same lines... it's possible that the author of the book, not being well aquainted with rudraksham, and hearing the expression "coral rudraksham" (which again, maybe, denoted coral-coloured rudraksham, due to the orangeish dye that I've heard is used for keeping off the bugs) for coral beads... Another thought that I initially had was that maybe red pieces of knobbly coral were strung in malas ... and as they resembled rudraksham, were called "coral rudraksham"... Hypothesis, and probably wrong because, as far as I know, red coral is smooth. But intersting enough though. About the black coral - my interest was immediately peaked and I went to ebay, found out that black coral still exists in Hawaii. There was only one piece - a necklace of fine strands of black coral - that came from Tibet. So probably big chunks of it - as would be needed for a kantha type mala - would be very rare in this part of the world, as (again probably) the black coral would be extinct in these waters. Thank you for sharing this. This group is really something you know - the knowledge you all have is so immense and yet offered with such modesty... National Treasures, that's what you are - each and every one of you ! (I'm gushing but in all sincerity ) Love ya all Tiina , "syzenith" <syzenith> wrote: > Namaste Tiinaji, > > Thanks for all the wonderful links and articles that you so kindly > share with us here. You're a great treasure hunter, bless you! > > While I'm not familiar with the town of Lantegree and its history, I > have personally seen a Black Coral mala, something like Kantha type. > The beads are round-polished and big. There were only two such malas > commissioned by a certain Shree Maha-Guruji in nothern India who has > retired to the Himalayas long time ago after his parampara holder was > anointed head of the Order. > > Of the two malas, one was given to a yogacharya who is also swami and > sanyas. The other one was given to another beloved chela of this > Shree Guruji. So far as I know, only 2 such malas were designed in > the same way. Out of respect and for privacy reasons, I'm unable to > disclose the names and location of those mentioned. When the two > sanyas were bestowed the Black Coral Malas, they were definitely told > by their Shree Guruji that the beads were black coral. > > Between late 1960's to late 1970's I spent time in Singapore and saw > Black Onyx dimond cut beads that were made into necklaces & > bracelets. It was the 'fashion' of the time. They usually has silver > spacers or caps. However at the time, I did not see them being used > religiously. > > Back to "Coral Rudraksha" -- my very humble guess is that what > the "yellow-reddish coral rudraksha" as described in the article is > actually one of a species of Rudraksha itself, not coral. Rudraksha > come in different shades, from white to brown, etc. Because of > the "thorny" surface of rudraksha, they could have been mistaken > for "coral". Another guess is the term "coral rudraksha" was used by > the people of the time. But that did not necessary mean it was coral > from the oceans. Probably just an 'advertising term' of that period. > > For example when we say "Apple", some would think its apple from the > Garden of Eden, apple that we can eat. Computer fans would know > straight away we mean "Apple Computer" :-) > > Om Namah Shivaya > Sy > > > , "Tiina" > <xenamacbeal> wrote: > > Dear All, I came by this article "The Gems of Pre-British India" > > by Manikant Shah > > http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/h_es/h_es_shah_m_gems.htm <http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/h_es/h_es_shah_m_gems.htm> > > Here's an excerpt: > > > > "A small town named Lantegree in Maharashtra was a great centre of > > coral polishing in the early seventeenth century. The preference of > > the Indians and other Asians for coral was manifest even during the > > ancient period, and the reason for this preference has been subject > > of many dissertations. The real reason could be religious. The > > reddish yellow coral is known as rudrakhsha, the eye of the Siva > and > > a symbol of renunciation and spirituality. It must have gained > > popularity during the Tantric period of .Hinduism and (Mahayana) > > Buddhism. The 'ornament for the neck' used by the common people was > a > > rosary of coral beads, which were counted during prayers." > > > > Does anyone have an idea? Have you heard of coral called rudraksh? > > > > Tiina <http://rd./M=256694.4002236.5216697.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050759 91:HM/A=1784493/R=0/id=noscript/SIG=11q7p9e7k/*http://webevents./un iversal/intolerablecruelty/> <http://us.adserver./l?M=256694.4002236.5216697.1261774/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1784493/rand=542779510> To send an email to: Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 ThankQ Tiina: Well I think I might get a 'black coral bracelet for myself. sound rather rare! Lada L. Baines Financial Assistance Officer Ministry of Advanced Education Student Services Branch Tiina [xenamacbeal] October 6, 2003 11:06 AM RBSC : Re: Coral called rudraksh?/Tiinaji Dear Lada, yours truly knows hardly anything about gems, but I searced the net and that's what I found: http://www.mysticsandmagic.co.uk <http://www.mysticsandmagic.co.uk> "Black Coral Black coral is reported to both absorb and transform negativity when worn, carried, as an elixir, or placed in ones enviroment. It elevates the aspects of the significant creative forces and imparts tranquility to action. It can dispel fear of darkness and can bring hidden matters to the forefront, allowing one to utilize original thinking and the meditative state to actualize the elimination of problems. It is a "stone of regeneration and purification" and can be used in the treatment of disorders related to the internal organs, to the skin and the pores, and to the elimination of toxins." Love Tiina http://www.coralnegro.cu/ingles/i_menu01_a.htm <http://www.coralnegro.cu/ingles/i_menu01_a.htm> , "Baines, Lada AVED:EX" <Lada.Baines@g...> wrote: > Tiina: > > Off the subject a bit, what are the properties of 'black coral', there is a > shop in Victoria, which sells bracelets made out of black coral, bangle > type, however, I'd like to know the properties ....they sell for $40.00 > Canadian. > > Love, > Lada > > > > > > L. Baines > Financial Assistance Officer > Ministry of Advanced Education > Student Services Branch > > > > > Tiina [xenamacbeal] > October 4, 2003 12:29 PM > > RBSC : Re: Coral called rudraksh?/Tiinaji > > > Dear Syji and Friends, thank you for sharing this. > Regarding the coral rudraksham, I had thought along the same lines... > it's possible that the author of the book, not being well aquainted > with rudraksham, and hearing the expression "coral rudraksham" (which > again, maybe, denoted coral-coloured rudraksham, due to the orangeish > dye that I've heard is used for keeping off the bugs) for coral > beads... > Another thought that I initially had was that maybe red pieces of > knobbly coral were strung in malas ... and as they resembled > rudraksham, were called "coral rudraksham"... Hypothesis, and > probably wrong because, as far as I know, red coral is smooth. > But intersting enough though. > About the black coral - my interest was immediately peaked and I went > to ebay, found out that black coral still exists in Hawaii. There was > only one piece - a necklace of fine strands of black coral - that > came from Tibet. So probably big chunks of it - as would be needed > for a kantha type mala - would be very rare in this part of the > world, as (again probably) the black coral would be extinct in these > waters. Thank you for sharing this. > > This group is really something you know - the knowledge you all have > is so immense and yet offered with such modesty... > National Treasures, that's what you are - each and every one of you ! > (I'm gushing but in all sincerity ) > > Love ya all > Tiina > > , "syzenith" > <syzenith> wrote: > > Namaste Tiinaji, > > > > Thanks for all the wonderful links and articles that you so kindly > > share with us here. You're a great treasure hunter, bless you! > > > > While I'm not familiar with the town of Lantegree and its history, > I > > have personally seen a Black Coral mala, something like Kantha > type. > > The beads are round-polished and big. There were only two such > malas > > commissioned by a certain Shree Maha-Guruji in nothern India who > has > > retired to the Himalayas long time ago after his parampara holder > was > > anointed head of the Order. > > > > Of the two malas, one was given to a yogacharya who is also swami > and > > sanyas. The other one was given to another beloved chela of this > > Shree Guruji. So far as I know, only 2 such malas were designed in > > the same way. Out of respect and for privacy reasons, I'm unable > to > > disclose the names and location of those mentioned. When the two > > sanyas were bestowed the Black Coral Malas, they were definitely > told > > by their Shree Guruji that the beads were black coral. > > > > Between late 1960's to late 1970's I spent time in Singapore and > saw > > Black Onyx dimond cut beads that were made into necklaces & > > bracelets. It was the 'fashion' of the time. They usually has > silver > > spacers or caps. However at the time, I did not see them being > used > > religiously. > > > > Back to "Coral Rudraksha" -- my very humble guess is that what > > the "yellow-reddish coral rudraksha" as described in the article is > > actually one of a species of Rudraksha itself, not coral. > Rudraksha > > come in different shades, from white to brown, etc. Because of > > the "thorny" surface of rudraksha, they could have been mistaken > > for "coral". Another guess is the term "coral rudraksha" was used > by > > the people of the time. But that did not necessary mean it was > coral > > from the oceans. Probably just an 'advertising term' of that > period. > > > > For example when we say "Apple", some would think its apple from > the > > Garden of Eden, apple that we can eat. Computer fans would know > > straight away we mean "Apple Computer" :-) > > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > Sy > > > > > > , "Tiina" > > <xenamacbeal> wrote: > > > Dear All, I came by this article "The Gems of Pre-British India" > > > by Manikant Shah > > > > http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/h_es/h_es_shah_m_gems.htm <http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/h_es/h_es_shah_m_gems.htm> > < http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/h_es/h_es_shah_m_gems.htm <http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/h_es/h_es_shah_m_gems.htm> > > > > Here's an excerpt: > > > > > > "A small town named Lantegree in Maharashtra was a great centre > of > > > coral polishing in the early seventeenth century. The preference > of > > > the Indians and other Asians for coral was manifest even during > the > > > ancient period, and the reason for this preference has been > subject > > > of many dissertations. The real reason could be religious. The > > > reddish yellow coral is known as rudrakhsha, the eye of the Siva > > and > > > a symbol of renunciation and spirituality. It must have gained > > > popularity during the Tantric period of .Hinduism and (Mahayana) > > > Buddhism. The 'ornament for the neck' used by the common people > was > > a > > > rosary of coral beads, which were counted during prayers." > > > > > > Does anyone have an idea? 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Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Namaste Tiinaji, In resonance with your thoughts below and thank you for the link about Black Coral properties. The info is good. You're a national gem yourself, bless you! Om Namah Shivaya Sy , "Tiina" <xenamacbeal> wrote: > Dear Syji and Friends, thank you for sharing this. > Regarding the coral rudraksham, I had thought along the same lines... > it's possible that the author of the book, not being well aquainted > with rudraksham, and hearing the expression "coral rudraksham" (which > again, maybe, denoted coral-coloured rudraksham, due to the orangeish > dye that I've heard is used for keeping off the bugs) for coral > beads... > Another thought that I initially had was that maybe red pieces of > knobbly coral were strung in malas ... and as they resembled > rudraksham, were called "coral rudraksham"... Hypothesis, and > probably wrong because, as far as I know, red coral is smooth. > But intersting enough though. > About the black coral - my interest was immediately peaked and I went > to ebay, found out that black coral still exists in Hawaii. There was > only one piece - a necklace of fine strands of black coral - that > came from Tibet. So probably big chunks of it - as would be needed > for a kantha type mala - would be very rare in this part of the > world, as (again probably) the black coral would be extinct in these > waters. Thank you for sharing this. > > This group is really something you know - the knowledge you all have > is so immense and yet offered with such modesty... > National Treasures, that's what you are - each and every one of you ! > (I'm gushing but in all sincerity ) > > Love ya all > Tiina > > , "syzenith" > <syzenith> wrote: > > Namaste Tiinaji, > > > > Thanks for all the wonderful links and articles that you so kindly > > share with us here. You're a great treasure hunter, bless you! > > > > While I'm not familiar with the town of Lantegree and its history, > I > > have personally seen a Black Coral mala, something like Kantha > type. > > The beads are round-polished and big. There were only two such > malas > > commissioned by a certain Shree Maha-Guruji in nothern India who > has > > retired to the Himalayas long time ago after his parampara holder > was > > anointed head of the Order. > > > > Of the two malas, one was given to a yogacharya who is also swami > and > > sanyas. The other one was given to another beloved chela of this > > Shree Guruji. So far as I know, only 2 such malas were designed in > > the same way. Out of respect and for privacy reasons, I'm unable > to > > disclose the names and location of those mentioned. When the two > > sanyas were bestowed the Black Coral Malas, they were definitely > told > > by their Shree Guruji that the beads were black coral. > > > > Between late 1960's to late 1970's I spent time in Singapore and > saw > > Black Onyx dimond cut beads that were made into necklaces & > > bracelets. It was the 'fashion' of the time. They usually has > silver > > spacers or caps. However at the time, I did not see them being > used > > religiously. > > > > Back to "Coral Rudraksha" -- my very humble guess is that what > > the "yellow-reddish coral rudraksha" as described in the article is > > actually one of a species of Rudraksha itself, not coral. > Rudraksha > > come in different shades, from white to brown, etc. Because of > > the "thorny" surface of rudraksha, they could have been mistaken > > for "coral". Another guess is the term "coral rudraksha" was used > by > > the people of the time. But that did not necessary mean it was > coral > > from the oceans. Probably just an 'advertising term' of that > period. > > > > For example when we say "Apple", some would think its apple from > the > > Garden of Eden, apple that we can eat. Computer fans would know > > straight away we mean "Apple Computer" :-) > > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > Sy > > > > > > , "Tiina" > > <xenamacbeal> wrote: > > > Dear All, I came by this article "The Gems of Pre-British India" > > > by Manikant Shah > > > > http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/h_es/h_es_shah_m_gems.htm > > > Here's an excerpt: > > > > > > "A small town named Lantegree in Maharashtra was a great centre > of > > > coral polishing in the early seventeenth century. The preference > of > > > the Indians and other Asians for coral was manifest even during > the > > > ancient period, and the reason for this preference has been > subject > > > of many dissertations. The real reason could be religious. The > > > reddish yellow coral is known as rudrakhsha, the eye of the Siva > > and > > > a symbol of renunciation and spirituality. It must have gained > > > popularity during the Tantric period of .Hinduism and (Mahayana) > > > Buddhism. The 'ornament for the neck' used by the common people > was > > a > > > rosary of coral beads, which were counted during prayers." > > > > > > Does anyone have an idea? Have you heard of coral called rudraksh? > > > > > > Tiina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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