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My objection is towards what I have come to perceive as veiled

commercial focus from certain members behind this who is

involved with Rudra Centre as distributors.

 

What was particular revealing to me, was the fact that DD seemed

overly preoccupied with some fantasy that my initial posting about

my malas coming from Nepal being some obscure attempt to bring

attention to a certain Rudraksha dealer in Nepal of his interest.

That was purely his own projection.

He appearantly didnt find my sincere question to him about

invocation ceremony interesting enough to answer, but repeatedly

kept asking; where did you get this mala, what is the price etc etc,

even while I was lamenting that I might have lost my package.

Nauseating to say the least..This is what I mean by commercial

interests.

If I wanted to raise attention about a Nepal Rudrakasha supplier

here, I would simply have posted an address...but then again DD is

Rudra Centre America and this group seems to be organized as a front

for Rudra Centre, nothing wrong in that per se, just be HONEST about

it and put it on the front page of this , instead of

pretending to be non-commercial. I value honesty above anything else.

 

And finally, please be more fair and remember; if some persons from

Nepal cheated somebody, that doesn't mean every Nepali is a cheater.

Rudra Centre also get their beads from Nepal...

 

Ole

 

 

 

, "kantikakini"

<thunderheals@a...> wrote:

> Don't know where or how you are interpreting "veiled commercialism

in

> the flowery words of spirituality". I suggest you go to Rudra

Centre

> website and read the Mission Statement

>

> Kanti Kakini Devi

>

> , "alstrup"

> <alstrup> wrote:

> > Yes, I guess business is business when we are talking about

trade,

> > even with religious items. That is the nature of human beings.

So

> > there are warnings in scripture about these things, which I am

> > taking very seriously, one example is Salagram Silas. Dont know

> what

> > scriptures say about trade with Rudraksha beads?

> >

> > What is nauseating here is veiled commercialism in the flowery

> words

> > of spirituality...

> >

> > Ole

> >

> >

> > , "syzenith"

> > <syzenith> wrote:

> > > Salutations Sri SRDDAji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for response. While I've not doubted Oleji as a person

of

> > > integrity, some checking has been done about suppliers in

Nepal.

> > >

> > > Many suppliers in Nepal boast that they are "major suppliers

to

> > Rudra

> > > Centre" (this is what they always say). Most also call

> > > themselves "wholesalers". Some are blatant fake artists too.

> > >

> > > They can't even describe who the buyers are or what they

exactly

> > look

> > > like - most of the time it is guess work by looking at photos

on

> > Home

> > > website. This guess-work was also wrong because of the timing

of

> > the

> > > year they claimed someone from Rudra Centre bought from them.

> > >

> > > Ironically, Rudra Centre India home office has never bought

> > anything

> > > from these people. As we know, Home Office in India only

> > purchases

> > > from Direct Authentic Sources.

> > >

> > > Rudra Centre been asked "exactly where, how, how much and

why"??

> > > before.

> > >

> > > Just as religious items should not be bargained or haggled

for,

> > I'm

> > > sure most will understand that in every industry (yes, even

while

> > > serving God), there are trade matters that aren't for

> disclosure.

> > >

> > > Om Namah Shivaya

> > > Sy

> > >

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Ole, I think the concern is that there have been a number of

problems, to some members of this list, with that particular dealer.

Among these bad shipments, inflated prices, copywright infringement,

and mail fraud. After I recieved a few spoofs from him, I filed

complaints with the FBI and FTC. I knew no action would be taken,

because no money had changed hands, and also he is in Nepal. But, I

wanted a file opened on him.

 

K.

 

 

, "alstrup"

<alstrup> wrote:

> My objection is towards what I have come to perceive as veiled

> commercial focus from certain members behind this who

is

> involved with Rudra Centre as distributors.

>

> What was particular revealing to me, was the fact that DD seemed

> overly preoccupied with some fantasy that my initial posting about

> my malas coming from Nepal being some obscure attempt to bring

> attention to a certain Rudraksha dealer in Nepal of his interest.

> That was purely his own projection.

> He appearantly didnt find my sincere question to him about

> invocation ceremony interesting enough to answer, but repeatedly

> kept asking; where did you get this mala, what is the price etc

etc,

> even while I was lamenting that I might have lost my package.

> Nauseating to say the least..This is what I mean by commercial

> interests.

> If I wanted to raise attention about a Nepal Rudrakasha supplier

> here, I would simply have posted an address...but then again DD is

> Rudra Centre America and this group seems to be organized as a

front

> for Rudra Centre, nothing wrong in that per se, just be HONEST

about

> it and put it on the front page of this , instead of

> pretending to be non-commercial. I value honesty above anything

else.

>

> And finally, please be more fair and remember; if some persons

from

> Nepal cheated somebody, that doesn't mean every Nepali is a

cheater.

> Rudra Centre also get their beads from Nepal...

>

> Ole

>

>

>

> , "kantikakini"

> <thunderheals@a...> wrote:

> > Don't know where or how you are interpreting "veiled

commercialism

> in

> > the flowery words of spirituality". I suggest you go to Rudra

> Centre

> > website and read the Mission Statement

> >

> > Kanti Kakini Devi

> >

> > , "alstrup"

> > <alstrup> wrote:

> > > Yes, I guess business is business when we are talking about

> trade,

> > > even with religious items. That is the nature of human beings.

> So

> > > there are warnings in scripture about these things, which I am

> > > taking very seriously, one example is Salagram Silas. Dont

know

> > what

> > > scriptures say about trade with Rudraksha beads?

> > >

> > > What is nauseating here is veiled commercialism in the flowery

> > words

> > > of spirituality...

> > >

> > > Ole

> > >

> > >

> > > , "syzenith"

> > > <syzenith> wrote:

> > > > Salutations Sri SRDDAji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for response. While I've not doubted Oleji as a

person

> of

> > > > integrity, some checking has been done about suppliers in

> Nepal.

> > > >

> > > > Many suppliers in Nepal boast that they are "major suppliers

> to

> > > Rudra

> > > > Centre" (this is what they always say). Most also call

> > > > themselves "wholesalers". Some are blatant fake artists too.

> > > >

> > > > They can't even describe who the buyers are or what they

> exactly

> > > look

> > > > like - most of the time it is guess work by looking at

photos

> on

> > > Home

> > > > website. This guess-work was also wrong because of the

timing

> of

> > > the

> > > > year they claimed someone from Rudra Centre bought from them.

> > > >

> > > > Ironically, Rudra Centre India home office has never bought

> > > anything

> > > > from these people. As we know, Home Office in India only

> > > purchases

> > > > from Direct Authentic Sources.

> > > >

> > > > Rudra Centre been asked "exactly where, how, how much and

> why"??

> > > > before.

> > > >

> > > > Just as religious items should not be bargained or haggled

> for,

> > > I'm

> > > > sure most will understand that in every industry (yes, even

> while

> > > > serving God), there are trade matters that aren't for

> > disclosure.

> > > >

> > > > Om Namah Shivaya

> > > > Sy

> > > >

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K., this is getting ridiculous...what particular dealer? I have

nothing to do with any such persons, please do NOT associate me with

these persons I have no connections with.

Thank you,

Ole

 

, "karisprowl"

<karisprowl@e...> wrote:

> Ole, I think the concern is that there have been a number of

> problems, to some members of this list, with that particular

dealer.

> Among these bad shipments, inflated prices, copywright

infringement,

> and mail fraud. After I recieved a few spoofs from him, I filed

> complaints with the FBI and FTC. I knew no action would be taken,

> because no money had changed hands, and also he is in Nepal. But,

I

> wanted a file opened on him.

>

> K.

>

>

> , "alstrup"

> <alstrup> wrote:

> > My objection is towards what I have come to perceive as veiled

> > commercial focus from certain members behind this

who

> is

> > involved with Rudra Centre as distributors.

> >

> > What was particular revealing to me, was the fact that DD seemed

> > overly preoccupied with some fantasy that my initial posting

about

> > my malas coming from Nepal being some obscure attempt to bring

> > attention to a certain Rudraksha dealer in Nepal of his

interest.

> > That was purely his own projection.

> > He appearantly didnt find my sincere question to him about

> > invocation ceremony interesting enough to answer, but repeatedly

> > kept asking; where did you get this mala, what is the price etc

> etc,

> > even while I was lamenting that I might have lost my package.

> > Nauseating to say the least..This is what I mean by commercial

> > interests.

> > If I wanted to raise attention about a Nepal Rudrakasha supplier

> > here, I would simply have posted an address...but then again DD

is

> > Rudra Centre America and this group seems to be organized as a

> front

> > for Rudra Centre, nothing wrong in that per se, just be HONEST

> about

> > it and put it on the front page of this , instead of

> > pretending to be non-commercial. I value honesty above anything

> else.

> >

> > And finally, please be more fair and remember; if some persons

> from

> > Nepal cheated somebody, that doesn't mean every Nepali is a

> cheater.

> > Rudra Centre also get their beads from Nepal...

> >

> > Ole

> >

> >

> >

> > , "kantikakini"

> > <thunderheals@a...> wrote:

> > > Don't know where or how you are interpreting "veiled

> commercialism

> > in

> > > the flowery words of spirituality". I suggest you go to Rudra

> > Centre

> > > website and read the Mission Statement

> > >

> > > Kanti Kakini Devi

> > >

> > > , "alstrup"

> > > <alstrup> wrote:

> > > > Yes, I guess business is business when we are talking about

> > trade,

> > > > even with religious items. That is the nature of human

beings.

> > So

> > > > there are warnings in scripture about these things, which I

am

> > > > taking very seriously, one example is Salagram Silas. Dont

> know

> > > what

> > > > scriptures say about trade with Rudraksha beads?

> > > >

> > > > What is nauseating here is veiled commercialism in the

flowery

> > > words

> > > > of spirituality...

> > > >

> > > > Ole

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

, "syzenith"

> > > > <syzenith> wrote:

> > > > > Salutations Sri SRDDAji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for response. While I've not doubted Oleji as a

> person

> > of

> > > > > integrity, some checking has been done about suppliers in

> > Nepal.

> > > > >

> > > > > Many suppliers in Nepal boast that they are "major

suppliers

> > to

> > > > Rudra

> > > > > Centre" (this is what they always say). Most also call

> > > > > themselves "wholesalers". Some are blatant fake artists

too.

> > > > >

> > > > > They can't even describe who the buyers are or what they

> > exactly

> > > > look

> > > > > like - most of the time it is guess work by looking at

> photos

> > on

> > > > Home

> > > > > website. This guess-work was also wrong because of the

> timing

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > year they claimed someone from Rudra Centre bought from

them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ironically, Rudra Centre India home office has never

bought

> > > > anything

> > > > > from these people. As we know, Home Office in India only

> > > > purchases

> > > > > from Direct Authentic Sources.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rudra Centre been asked "exactly where, how, how much and

> > why"??

> > > > > before.

> > > > >

> > > > > Just as religious items should not be bargained or haggled

> > for,

> > > > I'm

> > > > > sure most will understand that in every industry (yes,

even

> > while

> > > > > serving God), there are trade matters that aren't for

> > > disclosure.

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Namah Shivaya

> > > > > Sy

> > > > >

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Many, many apologies to you, personally. I do not associate you with

any of these people, at all, Ole.

 

K.

 

, "alstrup"

<alstrup> wrote:

> K., this is getting ridiculous...what particular dealer? I have

> nothing to do with any such persons, please do NOT associate me

with

> these persons I have no connections with.

> Thank you,

> Ole

>

> , "karisprowl"

> <karisprowl@e...> wrote:

> > Ole, I think the concern is that there have been a number of

> > problems, to some members of this list, with that particular

> dealer.

> > Among these bad shipments, inflated prices, copywright

> infringement,

> > and mail fraud. After I recieved a few spoofs from him, I filed

> > complaints with the FBI and FTC. I knew no action would be

taken,

> > because no money had changed hands, and also he is in Nepal.

But,

> I

> > wanted a file opened on him.

> >

> > K.

> >

> >

> > , "alstrup"

> > <alstrup> wrote:

> > > My objection is towards what I have come to perceive as veiled

> > > commercial focus from certain members behind this

> who

> > is

> > > involved with Rudra Centre as distributors.

> > >

> > > What was particular revealing to me, was the fact that DD

seemed

> > > overly preoccupied with some fantasy that my initial posting

> about

> > > my malas coming from Nepal being some obscure attempt to bring

> > > attention to a certain Rudraksha dealer in Nepal of his

> interest.

> > > That was purely his own projection.

> > > He appearantly didnt find my sincere question to him about

> > > invocation ceremony interesting enough to answer, but

repeatedly

> > > kept asking; where did you get this mala, what is the price

etc

> > etc,

> > > even while I was lamenting that I might have lost my package.

> > > Nauseating to say the least..This is what I mean by commercial

> > > interests.

> > > If I wanted to raise attention about a Nepal Rudrakasha

supplier

> > > here, I would simply have posted an address...but then again

DD

> is

> > > Rudra Centre America and this group seems to be organized as a

> > front

> > > for Rudra Centre, nothing wrong in that per se, just be HONEST

> > about

> > > it and put it on the front page of this , instead

of

> > > pretending to be non-commercial. I value honesty above

anything

> > else.

> > >

> > > And finally, please be more fair and remember; if some persons

> > from

> > > Nepal cheated somebody, that doesn't mean every Nepali is a

> > cheater.

> > > Rudra Centre also get their beads from Nepal...

> > >

> > > Ole

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

, "kantikakini"

> > > <thunderheals@a...> wrote:

> > > > Don't know where or how you are interpreting "veiled

> > commercialism

> > > in

> > > > the flowery words of spirituality". I suggest you go to

Rudra

> > > Centre

> > > > website and read the Mission Statement

> > > >

> > > > Kanti Kakini Devi

> > > >

> > > > , "alstrup"

> > > > <alstrup> wrote:

> > > > > Yes, I guess business is business when we are talking

about

> > > trade,

> > > > > even with religious items. That is the nature of human

> beings.

> > > So

> > > > > there are warnings in scripture about these things, which

I

> am

> > > > > taking very seriously, one example is Salagram Silas. Dont

> > know

> > > > what

> > > > > scriptures say about trade with Rudraksha beads?

> > > > >

> > > > > What is nauseating here is veiled commercialism in the

> flowery

> > > > words

> > > > > of spirituality...

> > > > >

> > > > > Ole

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> , "syzenith"

> > > > > <syzenith> wrote:

> > > > > > Salutations Sri SRDDAji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for response. While I've not doubted Oleji as a

> > person

> > > of

> > > > > > integrity, some checking has been done about suppliers

in

> > > Nepal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many suppliers in Nepal boast that they are "major

> suppliers

> > > to

> > > > > Rudra

> > > > > > Centre" (this is what they always say). Most also call

> > > > > > themselves "wholesalers". Some are blatant fake artists

> too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > They can't even describe who the buyers are or what they

> > > exactly

> > > > > look

> > > > > > like - most of the time it is guess work by looking at

> > photos

> > > on

> > > > > Home

> > > > > > website. This guess-work was also wrong because of the

> > timing

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > year they claimed someone from Rudra Centre bought from

> them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ironically, Rudra Centre India home office has never

> bought

> > > > > anything

> > > > > > from these people. As we know, Home Office in India

only

> > > > > purchases

> > > > > > from Direct Authentic Sources.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rudra Centre been asked "exactly where, how, how much

and

> > > why"??

> > > > > > before.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just as religious items should not be bargained or

haggled

> > > for,

> > > > > I'm

> > > > > > sure most will understand that in every industry (yes,

> even

> > > while

> > > > > > serving God), there are trade matters that aren't for

> > > > disclosure.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya

> > > > > > Sy

> > > > > >

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To All My Friends,

Can we all be BEINGS ?, we all r trying to prove the point & getting a ride of

EGO, Let be forgiving & be peaceful, we all are same water in diffrent glasses

fron the same cosmic energy. Just learn to love unconditionally & nothing will

matter. May the Divine bless all of of us with so much of material stuff so we

just get going on spiritual focus, once we get that focus this stuff will not

matter anyway.

I am sorry do not mean to preach, PLEASE Make this group a ' HOLY & POERFUL

LOVE' group & we all can benefit.

LOVE, Love & Unconditional Love

Ashok

RudraYoga

 

 

alstrup <alstrup wrote:

My objection is towards what I have come to perceive as veiled

commercial focus from certain members behind this who is

involved with Rudra Centre as distributors.

 

What was particular revealing to me, was the fact that DD seemed

overly preoccupied with some fantasy that my initial posting about

my malas coming from Nepal being some obscure attempt to bring

attention to a certain Rudraksha dealer in Nepal of his interest.

That was purely his own projection.

He appearantly didnt find my sincere question to him about

invocation ceremony interesting enough to answer, but repeatedly

kept asking; where did you get this mala, what is the price etc etc,

even while I was lamenting that I might have lost my package.

Nauseating to say the least..This is what I mean by commercial

interests.

If I wanted to raise attention about a Nepal Rudrakasha supplier

here, I would simply have posted an address...but then again DD is

Rudra Centre America and this group seems to be organized as a front

for Rudra Centre, nothing wrong in that per se, just be HONEST about

it and put it on the front page of this , instead of

pretending to be non-commercial. I value honesty above anything else.

 

And finally, please be more fair and remember; if some persons from

Nepal cheated somebody, that doesn't mean every Nepali is a cheater.

Rudra Centre also get their beads from Nepal...

 

Ole

 

 

 

, "kantikakini"

<thunderheals@a...> wrote:

> Don't know where or how you are interpreting "veiled commercialism

in

> the flowery words of spirituality". I suggest you go to Rudra

Centre

> website and read the Mission Statement

>

> Kanti Kakini Devi

>

> , "alstrup"

> <alstrup> wrote:

> > Yes, I guess business is business when we are talking about

trade,

> > even with religious items. That is the nature of human beings.

So

> > there are warnings in scripture about these things, which I am

> > taking very seriously, one example is Salagram Silas. Dont know

> what

> > scriptures say about trade with Rudraksha beads?

> >

> > What is nauseating here is veiled commercialism in the flowery

> words

> > of spirituality...

> >

> > Ole

> >

> >

> > , "syzenith"

> > <syzenith> wrote:

> > > Salutations Sri SRDDAji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for response. While I've not doubted Oleji as a person

of

> > > integrity, some checking has been done about suppliers in

Nepal.

> > >

> > > Many suppliers in Nepal boast that they are "major suppliers

to

> > Rudra

> > > Centre" (this is what they always say). Most also call

> > > themselves "wholesalers". Some are blatant fake artists too.

> > >

> > > They can't even describe who the buyers are or what they

exactly

> > look

> > > like - most of the time it is guess work by looking at photos

on

> > Home

> > > website. This guess-work was also wrong because of the timing

of

> > the

> > > year they claimed someone from Rudra Centre bought from them.

> > >

> > > Ironically, Rudra Centre India home office has never bought

> > anything

> > > from these people. As we know, Home Office in India only

> > purchases

> > > from Direct Authentic Sources.

> > >

> > > Rudra Centre been asked "exactly where, how, how much and

why"??

> > > before.

> > >

> > > Just as religious items should not be bargained or haggled

for,

> > I'm

> > > sure most will understand that in every industry (yes, even

while

> > > serving God), there are trade matters that aren't for

> disclosure.

> > >

> > > Om Namah Shivaya

> > > Sy

> > >

 

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