Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 My objection is towards what I have come to perceive as veiled commercial focus from certain members behind this who is involved with Rudra Centre as distributors. What was particular revealing to me, was the fact that DD seemed overly preoccupied with some fantasy that my initial posting about my malas coming from Nepal being some obscure attempt to bring attention to a certain Rudraksha dealer in Nepal of his interest. That was purely his own projection. He appearantly didnt find my sincere question to him about invocation ceremony interesting enough to answer, but repeatedly kept asking; where did you get this mala, what is the price etc etc, even while I was lamenting that I might have lost my package. Nauseating to say the least..This is what I mean by commercial interests. If I wanted to raise attention about a Nepal Rudrakasha supplier here, I would simply have posted an address...but then again DD is Rudra Centre America and this group seems to be organized as a front for Rudra Centre, nothing wrong in that per se, just be HONEST about it and put it on the front page of this , instead of pretending to be non-commercial. I value honesty above anything else. And finally, please be more fair and remember; if some persons from Nepal cheated somebody, that doesn't mean every Nepali is a cheater. Rudra Centre also get their beads from Nepal... Ole , "kantikakini" <thunderheals@a...> wrote: > Don't know where or how you are interpreting "veiled commercialism in > the flowery words of spirituality". I suggest you go to Rudra Centre > website and read the Mission Statement > > Kanti Kakini Devi > > , "alstrup" > <alstrup> wrote: > > Yes, I guess business is business when we are talking about trade, > > even with religious items. That is the nature of human beings. So > > there are warnings in scripture about these things, which I am > > taking very seriously, one example is Salagram Silas. Dont know > what > > scriptures say about trade with Rudraksha beads? > > > > What is nauseating here is veiled commercialism in the flowery > words > > of spirituality... > > > > Ole > > > > > > , "syzenith" > > <syzenith> wrote: > > > Salutations Sri SRDDAji, > > > > > > Thanks for response. While I've not doubted Oleji as a person of > > > integrity, some checking has been done about suppliers in Nepal. > > > > > > Many suppliers in Nepal boast that they are "major suppliers to > > Rudra > > > Centre" (this is what they always say). Most also call > > > themselves "wholesalers". Some are blatant fake artists too. > > > > > > They can't even describe who the buyers are or what they exactly > > look > > > like - most of the time it is guess work by looking at photos on > > Home > > > website. This guess-work was also wrong because of the timing of > > the > > > year they claimed someone from Rudra Centre bought from them. > > > > > > Ironically, Rudra Centre India home office has never bought > > anything > > > from these people. As we know, Home Office in India only > > purchases > > > from Direct Authentic Sources. > > > > > > Rudra Centre been asked "exactly where, how, how much and why"?? > > > before. > > > > > > Just as religious items should not be bargained or haggled for, > > I'm > > > sure most will understand that in every industry (yes, even while > > > serving God), there are trade matters that aren't for > disclosure. > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > > Sy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 Ole, I think the concern is that there have been a number of problems, to some members of this list, with that particular dealer. Among these bad shipments, inflated prices, copywright infringement, and mail fraud. After I recieved a few spoofs from him, I filed complaints with the FBI and FTC. I knew no action would be taken, because no money had changed hands, and also he is in Nepal. But, I wanted a file opened on him. K. , "alstrup" <alstrup> wrote: > My objection is towards what I have come to perceive as veiled > commercial focus from certain members behind this who is > involved with Rudra Centre as distributors. > > What was particular revealing to me, was the fact that DD seemed > overly preoccupied with some fantasy that my initial posting about > my malas coming from Nepal being some obscure attempt to bring > attention to a certain Rudraksha dealer in Nepal of his interest. > That was purely his own projection. > He appearantly didnt find my sincere question to him about > invocation ceremony interesting enough to answer, but repeatedly > kept asking; where did you get this mala, what is the price etc etc, > even while I was lamenting that I might have lost my package. > Nauseating to say the least..This is what I mean by commercial > interests. > If I wanted to raise attention about a Nepal Rudrakasha supplier > here, I would simply have posted an address...but then again DD is > Rudra Centre America and this group seems to be organized as a front > for Rudra Centre, nothing wrong in that per se, just be HONEST about > it and put it on the front page of this , instead of > pretending to be non-commercial. I value honesty above anything else. > > And finally, please be more fair and remember; if some persons from > Nepal cheated somebody, that doesn't mean every Nepali is a cheater. > Rudra Centre also get their beads from Nepal... > > Ole > > > > , "kantikakini" > <thunderheals@a...> wrote: > > Don't know where or how you are interpreting "veiled commercialism > in > > the flowery words of spirituality". I suggest you go to Rudra > Centre > > website and read the Mission Statement > > > > Kanti Kakini Devi > > > > , "alstrup" > > <alstrup> wrote: > > > Yes, I guess business is business when we are talking about > trade, > > > even with religious items. That is the nature of human beings. > So > > > there are warnings in scripture about these things, which I am > > > taking very seriously, one example is Salagram Silas. Dont know > > what > > > scriptures say about trade with Rudraksha beads? > > > > > > What is nauseating here is veiled commercialism in the flowery > > words > > > of spirituality... > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > , "syzenith" > > > <syzenith> wrote: > > > > Salutations Sri SRDDAji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for response. While I've not doubted Oleji as a person > of > > > > integrity, some checking has been done about suppliers in > Nepal. > > > > > > > > Many suppliers in Nepal boast that they are "major suppliers > to > > > Rudra > > > > Centre" (this is what they always say). Most also call > > > > themselves "wholesalers". Some are blatant fake artists too. > > > > > > > > They can't even describe who the buyers are or what they > exactly > > > look > > > > like - most of the time it is guess work by looking at photos > on > > > Home > > > > website. This guess-work was also wrong because of the timing > of > > > the > > > > year they claimed someone from Rudra Centre bought from them. > > > > > > > > Ironically, Rudra Centre India home office has never bought > > > anything > > > > from these people. As we know, Home Office in India only > > > purchases > > > > from Direct Authentic Sources. > > > > > > > > Rudra Centre been asked "exactly where, how, how much and > why"?? > > > > before. > > > > > > > > Just as religious items should not be bargained or haggled > for, > > > I'm > > > > sure most will understand that in every industry (yes, even > while > > > > serving God), there are trade matters that aren't for > > disclosure. > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > > > Sy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 K., this is getting ridiculous...what particular dealer? I have nothing to do with any such persons, please do NOT associate me with these persons I have no connections with. Thank you, Ole , "karisprowl" <karisprowl@e...> wrote: > Ole, I think the concern is that there have been a number of > problems, to some members of this list, with that particular dealer. > Among these bad shipments, inflated prices, copywright infringement, > and mail fraud. After I recieved a few spoofs from him, I filed > complaints with the FBI and FTC. I knew no action would be taken, > because no money had changed hands, and also he is in Nepal. But, I > wanted a file opened on him. > > K. > > > , "alstrup" > <alstrup> wrote: > > My objection is towards what I have come to perceive as veiled > > commercial focus from certain members behind this who > is > > involved with Rudra Centre as distributors. > > > > What was particular revealing to me, was the fact that DD seemed > > overly preoccupied with some fantasy that my initial posting about > > my malas coming from Nepal being some obscure attempt to bring > > attention to a certain Rudraksha dealer in Nepal of his interest. > > That was purely his own projection. > > He appearantly didnt find my sincere question to him about > > invocation ceremony interesting enough to answer, but repeatedly > > kept asking; where did you get this mala, what is the price etc > etc, > > even while I was lamenting that I might have lost my package. > > Nauseating to say the least..This is what I mean by commercial > > interests. > > If I wanted to raise attention about a Nepal Rudrakasha supplier > > here, I would simply have posted an address...but then again DD is > > Rudra Centre America and this group seems to be organized as a > front > > for Rudra Centre, nothing wrong in that per se, just be HONEST > about > > it and put it on the front page of this , instead of > > pretending to be non-commercial. I value honesty above anything > else. > > > > And finally, please be more fair and remember; if some persons > from > > Nepal cheated somebody, that doesn't mean every Nepali is a > cheater. > > Rudra Centre also get their beads from Nepal... > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > , "kantikakini" > > <thunderheals@a...> wrote: > > > Don't know where or how you are interpreting "veiled > commercialism > > in > > > the flowery words of spirituality". I suggest you go to Rudra > > Centre > > > website and read the Mission Statement > > > > > > Kanti Kakini Devi > > > > > > , "alstrup" > > > <alstrup> wrote: > > > > Yes, I guess business is business when we are talking about > > trade, > > > > even with religious items. That is the nature of human beings. > > So > > > > there are warnings in scripture about these things, which I am > > > > taking very seriously, one example is Salagram Silas. Dont > know > > > what > > > > scriptures say about trade with Rudraksha beads? > > > > > > > > What is nauseating here is veiled commercialism in the flowery > > > words > > > > of spirituality... > > > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "syzenith" > > > > <syzenith> wrote: > > > > > Salutations Sri SRDDAji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for response. While I've not doubted Oleji as a > person > > of > > > > > integrity, some checking has been done about suppliers in > > Nepal. > > > > > > > > > > Many suppliers in Nepal boast that they are "major suppliers > > to > > > > Rudra > > > > > Centre" (this is what they always say). Most also call > > > > > themselves "wholesalers". Some are blatant fake artists too. > > > > > > > > > > They can't even describe who the buyers are or what they > > exactly > > > > look > > > > > like - most of the time it is guess work by looking at > photos > > on > > > > Home > > > > > website. This guess-work was also wrong because of the > timing > > of > > > > the > > > > > year they claimed someone from Rudra Centre bought from them. > > > > > > > > > > Ironically, Rudra Centre India home office has never bought > > > > anything > > > > > from these people. As we know, Home Office in India only > > > > purchases > > > > > from Direct Authentic Sources. > > > > > > > > > > Rudra Centre been asked "exactly where, how, how much and > > why"?? > > > > > before. > > > > > > > > > > Just as religious items should not be bargained or haggled > > for, > > > > I'm > > > > > sure most will understand that in every industry (yes, even > > while > > > > > serving God), there are trade matters that aren't for > > > disclosure. > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > > > > Sy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 Many, many apologies to you, personally. I do not associate you with any of these people, at all, Ole. K. , "alstrup" <alstrup> wrote: > K., this is getting ridiculous...what particular dealer? I have > nothing to do with any such persons, please do NOT associate me with > these persons I have no connections with. > Thank you, > Ole > > , "karisprowl" > <karisprowl@e...> wrote: > > Ole, I think the concern is that there have been a number of > > problems, to some members of this list, with that particular > dealer. > > Among these bad shipments, inflated prices, copywright > infringement, > > and mail fraud. After I recieved a few spoofs from him, I filed > > complaints with the FBI and FTC. I knew no action would be taken, > > because no money had changed hands, and also he is in Nepal. But, > I > > wanted a file opened on him. > > > > K. > > > > > > , "alstrup" > > <alstrup> wrote: > > > My objection is towards what I have come to perceive as veiled > > > commercial focus from certain members behind this > who > > is > > > involved with Rudra Centre as distributors. > > > > > > What was particular revealing to me, was the fact that DD seemed > > > overly preoccupied with some fantasy that my initial posting > about > > > my malas coming from Nepal being some obscure attempt to bring > > > attention to a certain Rudraksha dealer in Nepal of his > interest. > > > That was purely his own projection. > > > He appearantly didnt find my sincere question to him about > > > invocation ceremony interesting enough to answer, but repeatedly > > > kept asking; where did you get this mala, what is the price etc > > etc, > > > even while I was lamenting that I might have lost my package. > > > Nauseating to say the least..This is what I mean by commercial > > > interests. > > > If I wanted to raise attention about a Nepal Rudrakasha supplier > > > here, I would simply have posted an address...but then again DD > is > > > Rudra Centre America and this group seems to be organized as a > > front > > > for Rudra Centre, nothing wrong in that per se, just be HONEST > > about > > > it and put it on the front page of this , instead of > > > pretending to be non-commercial. I value honesty above anything > > else. > > > > > > And finally, please be more fair and remember; if some persons > > from > > > Nepal cheated somebody, that doesn't mean every Nepali is a > > cheater. > > > Rudra Centre also get their beads from Nepal... > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "kantikakini" > > > <thunderheals@a...> wrote: > > > > Don't know where or how you are interpreting "veiled > > commercialism > > > in > > > > the flowery words of spirituality". I suggest you go to Rudra > > > Centre > > > > website and read the Mission Statement > > > > > > > > Kanti Kakini Devi > > > > > > > > , "alstrup" > > > > <alstrup> wrote: > > > > > Yes, I guess business is business when we are talking about > > > trade, > > > > > even with religious items. That is the nature of human > beings. > > > So > > > > > there are warnings in scripture about these things, which I > am > > > > > taking very seriously, one example is Salagram Silas. Dont > > know > > > > what > > > > > scriptures say about trade with Rudraksha beads? > > > > > > > > > > What is nauseating here is veiled commercialism in the > flowery > > > > words > > > > > of spirituality... > > > > > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "syzenith" > > > > > <syzenith> wrote: > > > > > > Salutations Sri SRDDAji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for response. While I've not doubted Oleji as a > > person > > > of > > > > > > integrity, some checking has been done about suppliers in > > > Nepal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many suppliers in Nepal boast that they are "major > suppliers > > > to > > > > > Rudra > > > > > > Centre" (this is what they always say). Most also call > > > > > > themselves "wholesalers". Some are blatant fake artists > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > They can't even describe who the buyers are or what they > > > exactly > > > > > look > > > > > > like - most of the time it is guess work by looking at > > photos > > > on > > > > > Home > > > > > > website. This guess-work was also wrong because of the > > timing > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > year they claimed someone from Rudra Centre bought from > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ironically, Rudra Centre India home office has never > bought > > > > > anything > > > > > > from these people. As we know, Home Office in India only > > > > > purchases > > > > > > from Direct Authentic Sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rudra Centre been asked "exactly where, how, how much and > > > why"?? > > > > > > before. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just as religious items should not be bargained or haggled > > > for, > > > > > I'm > > > > > > sure most will understand that in every industry (yes, > even > > > while > > > > > > serving God), there are trade matters that aren't for > > > > disclosure. > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > > > > > Sy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 To All My Friends, Can we all be BEINGS ?, we all r trying to prove the point & getting a ride of EGO, Let be forgiving & be peaceful, we all are same water in diffrent glasses fron the same cosmic energy. Just learn to love unconditionally & nothing will matter. May the Divine bless all of of us with so much of material stuff so we just get going on spiritual focus, once we get that focus this stuff will not matter anyway. I am sorry do not mean to preach, PLEASE Make this group a ' HOLY & POERFUL LOVE' group & we all can benefit. LOVE, Love & Unconditional Love Ashok RudraYoga alstrup <alstrup wrote: My objection is towards what I have come to perceive as veiled commercial focus from certain members behind this who is involved with Rudra Centre as distributors. What was particular revealing to me, was the fact that DD seemed overly preoccupied with some fantasy that my initial posting about my malas coming from Nepal being some obscure attempt to bring attention to a certain Rudraksha dealer in Nepal of his interest. That was purely his own projection. He appearantly didnt find my sincere question to him about invocation ceremony interesting enough to answer, but repeatedly kept asking; where did you get this mala, what is the price etc etc, even while I was lamenting that I might have lost my package. Nauseating to say the least..This is what I mean by commercial interests. If I wanted to raise attention about a Nepal Rudrakasha supplier here, I would simply have posted an address...but then again DD is Rudra Centre America and this group seems to be organized as a front for Rudra Centre, nothing wrong in that per se, just be HONEST about it and put it on the front page of this , instead of pretending to be non-commercial. I value honesty above anything else. And finally, please be more fair and remember; if some persons from Nepal cheated somebody, that doesn't mean every Nepali is a cheater. Rudra Centre also get their beads from Nepal... Ole , "kantikakini" <thunderheals@a...> wrote: > Don't know where or how you are interpreting "veiled commercialism in > the flowery words of spirituality". I suggest you go to Rudra Centre > website and read the Mission Statement > > Kanti Kakini Devi > > , "alstrup" > <alstrup> wrote: > > Yes, I guess business is business when we are talking about trade, > > even with religious items. That is the nature of human beings. So > > there are warnings in scripture about these things, which I am > > taking very seriously, one example is Salagram Silas. Dont know > what > > scriptures say about trade with Rudraksha beads? > > > > What is nauseating here is veiled commercialism in the flowery > words > > of spirituality... > > > > Ole > > > > > > , "syzenith" > > <syzenith> wrote: > > > Salutations Sri SRDDAji, > > > > > > Thanks for response. While I've not doubted Oleji as a person of > > > integrity, some checking has been done about suppliers in Nepal. > > > > > > Many suppliers in Nepal boast that they are "major suppliers to > > Rudra > > > Centre" (this is what they always say). Most also call > > > themselves "wholesalers". Some are blatant fake artists too. > > > > > > They can't even describe who the buyers are or what they exactly > > look > > > like - most of the time it is guess work by looking at photos on > > Home > > > website. This guess-work was also wrong because of the timing of > > the > > > year they claimed someone from Rudra Centre bought from them. > > > > > > Ironically, Rudra Centre India home office has never bought > > anything > > > from these people. As we know, Home Office in India only > > purchases > > > from Direct Authentic Sources. > > > > > > Rudra Centre been asked "exactly where, how, how much and why"?? > > > before. > > > > > > Just as religious items should not be bargained or haggled for, > > I'm > > > sure most will understand that in every industry (yes, even while > > > serving God), there are trade matters that aren't for > disclosure. > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > > Sy > > > To send an email to: Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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