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I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads always have

the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different effects?

 

The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi with the

trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different blessing

effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction, like

Ganesha deities?

 

Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures?

 

I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in the

ancient scriptures...

 

Thanks,

 

Ole

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They don't have the same # and absolutely have different effects. The Naga

Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the mukhis on them. They also

state that the Garbh Gauris are superior, contrary to what the modern sellers

are saying. Since they are the holders of the living tradition, which is based

on oral tradition and Guru Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them.

 

 

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alstrup

Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM

RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis

 

 

I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads always have

the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different effects?

 

The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi with the

trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different blessing

effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction, like

Ganesha deities?

 

Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures?

 

I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in the

ancient scriptures...

 

Thanks,

 

Ole

 

 

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Thanks for those insights...

 

What are Garbh Gauris?

 

Thanks,

Ole

 

, "mahamuni"

<mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> They don't have the same # and absolutely have different effects.

The Naga Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the mukhis on

them. They also state that the Garbh Gauris are superior, contrary

to what the modern sellers are saying. Since they are the holders

of the living tradition, which is based on oral tradition and Guru

Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them.

>

>

> -

> alstrup

>

> Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM

> RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis

>

>

> I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads always

have

> the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different

effects?

>

> The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi with

the

> trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different

blessing

> effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction, like

> Ganesha deities?

>

> Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures?

>

> I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in the

> ancient scriptures...

>

> Thanks,

>

> Ole

>

>

> Sponsor

>

>

>

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> To send an email to: -

 

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Gauri Shankars where one of the two adjoined beads is smaller than the other.

 

Also 8 mukhi Ganesh beads are considered superior for obvious reasons. But all

are great. Size and clarity of faces is also a factor.

 

Always remember that scriptures came much later than oral traditions and are not

meant to be interpreted outside of those traditions without the context of the

Guru Parampara. This is always forgotten, especially in the West and the non

initiated scholars and pundits of the East.

 

The Nagas highly praise 11 face Gauri Shankar beads. Interestingly, they don't

use the 11 face non Gauri Shankars.

 

In the oral tradition there is discussion of beads with higher mukhis than 14.

Up to 108 actually. I sat with a true, very old, rudraksha master and discussed

all about all these during my last trip. With many things there are great

differences between the unbroken lineage traditions of the sadhus and the

householder traditions, which all stemmed from the sadhu traditions in the first

place but many times were misinterpreted somewhere along the line.

 

Also the sadhus typically are not engaged in the business of these, while the

householders are. With beads above 12 muhki, buyers must be very careful as

there is a great deal of expert cutting of additional faces that even expert

buyers have trouble detecting.

 

Bom Mahadev!

-

alstrup

Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:11 AM

Re: RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis

 

 

Thanks for those insights...

 

What are Garbh Gauris?

 

Thanks,

Ole

 

, "mahamuni"

<mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> They don't have the same # and absolutely have different effects.

The Naga Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the mukhis on

them. They also state that the Garbh Gauris are superior, contrary

to what the modern sellers are saying. Since they are the holders

of the living tradition, which is based on oral tradition and Guru

Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them.

>

>

> -

> alstrup

>

> Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM

> RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis

>

>

> I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads always

have

> the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different

effects?

>

> The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi with

the

> trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different

blessing

> effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction, like

> Ganesha deities?

>

> Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures?

>

> I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in the

> ancient scriptures...

>

> Thanks,

>

> Ole

>

>

> Sponsor

>

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to: -

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

 

 

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Interesting message. I disagree a bit with your point that Indians

tend to favor scripture over living traditions. Anyone who has grown

up in India over 30 years old and exposed to traditional culture will

know that theory complements experiential learning. That is the whole

point of the guru parampara tradition. Otherwise what would be the

need of teachers as the literary output of the Indian civilization in

the past 2000 odd years is enormous and if you didn't need teachers

you could just become an expert by reading books. I agree however

that this is a major problem with some Western Academicians and some

Indian scholars of the present day but this is a problem all over the

world where traditional knowledge is in danger of dying.

There is however a minor revival among the more discriminating about

traditional scholarship (which has always been tightly integrated

with practice both religious and secular)and its value. Also the naga

babas are not by any means representative of mainstream hinduism

although i have no doubt that they know more about Rudrakshas than

just about anybody else.

On a personal note, have you been to the rudraksha growing areas in

Nepal?

Peace

Suraj

 

, "mahamuni"

<mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> Gauri Shankars where one of the two adjoined beads is smaller than

the other.

>

> Also 8 mukhi Ganesh beads are considered superior for obvious

reasons. But all are great. Size and clarity of faces is also a

factor.

>

> Always remember that scriptures came much later than oral

traditions and are not meant to be interpreted outside of those

traditions without the context of the Guru Parampara. This is always

forgotten, especially in the West and the non initiated scholars and

pundits of the East.

>

> The Nagas highly praise 11 face Gauri Shankar beads.

Interestingly, they don't use the 11 face non Gauri Shankars.

>

> In the oral tradition there is discussion of beads with higher

mukhis than 14. Up to 108 actually. I sat with a true, very old,

rudraksha master and discussed all about all these during my last

trip. With many things there are great differences between the

unbroken lineage traditions of the sadhus and the householder

traditions, which all stemmed from the sadhu traditions in the first

place but many times were misinterpreted somewhere along the line.

>

> Also the sadhus typically are not engaged in the business of these,

while the householders are. With beads above 12 muhki, buyers must

be very careful as there is a great deal of expert cutting of

additional faces that even expert buyers have trouble detecting.

>

> Bom Mahadev!

> -

> alstrup

>

> Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:11 AM

> Re: RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis

>

>

> Thanks for those insights...

>

> What are Garbh Gauris?

>

> Thanks,

> Ole

>

> , "mahamuni"

> <mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> > They don't have the same # and absolutely have different

effects.

> The Naga Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the mukhis

on

> them. They also state that the Garbh Gauris are superior,

contrary

> to what the modern sellers are saying. Since they are the

holders

> of the living tradition, which is based on oral tradition and

Guru

> Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them.

> >

> >

> > -

> > alstrup

> >

> > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM

> > RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis

> >

> >

> > I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads

always

> have

> > the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different

> effects?

> >

> > The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi with

> the

> > trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different

> blessing

> > effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction,

like

> > Ganesha deities?

> >

> > Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures?

> >

> > I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in

the

> > ancient scriptures...

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Ole

> >

> >

> > Sponsor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to: -

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> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> Sponsor

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Hi,

 

I never said "Indians" I said "uninitiated Indian scholars and pundits". I

would never group the entire Indian population in that statement, nor even the

majority for the reasons you have stated. Interactions with the local Babas are

part of the culture and thus the living tradition stays alive.

 

I have not been to Nepal yet, but the Baba I mentioned offered to give me access

to the Nagas growing area there.

 

As far as Nagas representing mainstream Hinduism, there truly is NO such thing

as Hinduism in reality. This a a Western academic construct created to group

the entire, extremely diverse religions of the people living in Bharat (India)

under one "Name" and thus make it easy to categorize them as Western academia

always does. Then they can easily take license to represent those people and

their religious ideals/ideas, which is what Western Academia always does.

 

Juna Akhara is the largest and oldest Akhara and within Juna Akhara, the Nagas

are the oldest established lineages. I have spent time with others but only the

Shaivite sadhus and possibly the Shakta Sadhus (mostly of Eastern India) would

maintain the knowledge of the Rudraksha, with a possible very rare exception

amongst the Vaishnav Lineages, who favor Tulsi Wood instead. Amongst the

Shavaites, I don't think there would be great argument that the Nagas are King.

 

Bottom line that I have noticed is the merchants selling rudraksha say very

different things from the Sadhus knowledgeable in this area. I didn't even find

one amongst all the shops I visited in Haridwar and Rishikesh that knew that

counting mukhis on Gauri Shankars was valid, not to mention desireable. I

visited every shop there was in those places on my first 2 trips and then

revisited the best on my last 2.

 

I do like and own true 14 face non Gauri Shankars as well as 15, 16, 17 Gauri

Shankars and so many others.

 

Jai Maa,

 

Surya

-

surajraghavan2002

Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:06 PM

RBSC : Re: Ganesha Mukhis

 

 

Interesting message. I disagree a bit with your point that Indians

tend to favor scripture over living traditions. Anyone who has grown

up in India over 30 years old and exposed to traditional culture will

know that theory complements experiential learning. That is the whole

point of the guru parampara tradition. Otherwise what would be the

need of teachers as the literary output of the Indian civilization in

the past 2000 odd years is enormous and if you didn't need teachers

you could just become an expert by reading books. I agree however

that this is a major problem with some Western Academicians and some

Indian scholars of the present day but this is a problem all over the

world where traditional knowledge is in danger of dying.

There is however a minor revival among the more discriminating about

traditional scholarship (which has always been tightly integrated

with practice both religious and secular)and its value. Also the naga

babas are not by any means representative of mainstream hinduism

although i have no doubt that they know more about Rudrakshas than

just about anybody else.

On a personal note, have you been to the rudraksha growing areas in

Nepal?

Peace

Suraj

 

, "mahamuni"

<mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> Gauri Shankars where one of the two adjoined beads is smaller than

the other.

>

> Also 8 mukhi Ganesh beads are considered superior for obvious

reasons. But all are great. Size and clarity of faces is also a

factor.

>

> Always remember that scriptures came much later than oral

traditions and are not meant to be interpreted outside of those

traditions without the context of the Guru Parampara. This is always

forgotten, especially in the West and the non initiated scholars and

pundits of the East.

>

> The Nagas highly praise 11 face Gauri Shankar beads.

Interestingly, they don't use the 11 face non Gauri Shankars.

>

> In the oral tradition there is discussion of beads with higher

mukhis than 14. Up to 108 actually. I sat with a true, very old,

rudraksha master and discussed all about all these during my last

trip. With many things there are great differences between the

unbroken lineage traditions of the sadhus and the householder

traditions, which all stemmed from the sadhu traditions in the first

place but many times were misinterpreted somewhere along the line.

>

> Also the sadhus typically are not engaged in the business of these,

while the householders are. With beads above 12 muhki, buyers must

be very careful as there is a great deal of expert cutting of

additional faces that even expert buyers have trouble detecting.

>

> Bom Mahadev!

> -

> alstrup

>

> Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:11 AM

> Re: RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis

>

>

> Thanks for those insights...

>

> What are Garbh Gauris?

>

> Thanks,

> Ole

>

> , "mahamuni"

> <mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> > They don't have the same # and absolutely have different

effects.

> The Naga Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the mukhis

on

> them. They also state that the Garbh Gauris are superior,

contrary

> to what the modern sellers are saying. Since they are the

holders

> of the living tradition, which is based on oral tradition and

Guru

> Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them.

> >

> >

> > -

> > alstrup

> >

> > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM

> > RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis

> >

> >

> > I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads

always

> have

> > the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different

> effects?

> >

> > The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi with

> the

> > trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different

> blessing

> > effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction,

like

> > Ganesha deities?

> >

> > Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures?

> >

> > I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in

the

> > ancient scriptures...

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Ole

> >

> >

> > Sponsor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to: -

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> Sponsor

>

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to: -

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

 

 

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I wish some religious departments at universities would have this

message plastered on their entrance:-) just to remind themselves of

the fact that there is no one take on Hinduism. I'd be interested in

your understanding of Shaivaite sadhus take on Rudrakshas, if and

when you have time. Enjoyed your post. Thanks!

 

 

> As far as Nagas representing mainstream Hinduism, there truly is NO

such thing as Hinduism in reality. This a a Western academic

construct created to group the entire, extremely diverse religions of

the people living in Bharat (India) under one "Name" and thus make it

easy to categorize them as Western academia always does. Then they

can easily take license to represent those people and their religious

ideals/ideas, which is what Western Academia always does.

>

> Juna Akhara is the largest and oldest Akhara and within Juna

Akhara, the Nagas are the oldest established lineages. I have spent

time with others but only the Shaivite sadhus and possibly the Shakta

Sadhus (mostly of Eastern India) would maintain the knowledge of the

Rudraksha, with a possible very rare exception amongst the Vaishnav

Lineages, who favor Tulsi Wood instead. Amongst the Shavaites, I

don't think there would be great argument that the Nagas are King.

>

> Bottom line that I have noticed is the merchants selling rudraksha

say very different things from the Sadhus knowledgeable in this

area. I didn't even find one amongst all the shops I visited in

Haridwar and Rishikesh that knew that counting mukhis on Gauri

Shankars was valid, not to mention desireable. I visited every shop

there was in those places on my first 2 trips and then revisited the

best on my last 2.

>

> I do like and own true 14 face non Gauri Shankars as well as 15,

16, 17 Gauri Shankars and so many others.

>

> Jai Maa,

>

> Surya

> -

> surajraghavan2002

>

> Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:06 PM

> RBSC : Re: Ganesha Mukhis

>

>

> Interesting message. I disagree a bit with your point that

Indians

> tend to favor scripture over living traditions. Anyone who has

grown

> up in India over 30 years old and exposed to traditional culture

will

> know that theory complements experiential learning. That is the

whole

> point of the guru parampara tradition. Otherwise what would be

the

> need of teachers as the literary output of the Indian

civilization in

> the past 2000 odd years is enormous and if you didn't need

teachers

> you could just become an expert by reading books. I agree however

> that this is a major problem with some Western Academicians and

some

> Indian scholars of the present day but this is a problem all over

the

> world where traditional knowledge is in danger of dying.

> There is however a minor revival among the more discriminating

about

> traditional scholarship (which has always been tightly integrated

> with practice both religious and secular)and its value. Also the

naga

> babas are not by any means representative of mainstream hinduism

> although i have no doubt that they know more about Rudrakshas

than

> just about anybody else.

> On a personal note, have you been to the rudraksha growing areas

in

> Nepal?

> Peace

> Suraj

>

> , "mahamuni"

> <mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> > Gauri Shankars where one of the two adjoined beads is smaller

than

> the other.

> >

> > Also 8 mukhi Ganesh beads are considered superior for obvious

> reasons. But all are great. Size and clarity of faces is also a

> factor.

> >

> > Always remember that scriptures came much later than oral

> traditions and are not meant to be interpreted outside of those

> traditions without the context of the Guru Parampara. This is

always

> forgotten, especially in the West and the non initiated scholars

and

> pundits of the East.

> >

> > The Nagas highly praise 11 face Gauri Shankar beads.

> Interestingly, they don't use the 11 face non Gauri Shankars.

> >

> > In the oral tradition there is discussion of beads with higher

> mukhis than 14. Up to 108 actually. I sat with a true, very

old,

> rudraksha master and discussed all about all these during my last

> trip. With many things there are great differences between the

> unbroken lineage traditions of the sadhus and the householder

> traditions, which all stemmed from the sadhu traditions in the

first

> place but many times were misinterpreted somewhere along the line.

> >

> > Also the sadhus typically are not engaged in the business of

these,

> while the householders are. With beads above 12 muhki, buyers

must

> be very careful as there is a great deal of expert cutting of

> additional faces that even expert buyers have trouble detecting.

> >

> > Bom Mahadev!

> > -

> > alstrup

> >

> > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:11 AM

> > Re: RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis

> >

> >

> > Thanks for those insights...

> >

> > What are Garbh Gauris?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Ole

> >

> > , "mahamuni"

> > <mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> > > They don't have the same # and absolutely have different

> effects.

> > The Naga Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the

mukhis

> on

> > them. They also state that the Garbh Gauris are superior,

> contrary

> > to what the modern sellers are saying. Since they are the

> holders

> > of the living tradition, which is based on oral tradition and

> Guru

> > Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them.

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > alstrup

> > >

> > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM

> > > RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis

> > >

> > >

> > > I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads

> always

> > have

> > > the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have

different

> > effects?

> > >

> > > The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi

with

> > the

> > > trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have

different

> > blessing

> > > effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different

direction,

> like

> > > Ganesha deities?

> > >

> > > Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient

scriptures?

> > >

> > > I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described

in

> the

> > > ancient scriptures...

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Ole

> > >

> > >

> > > Sponsor

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To send an email to:

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> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Terms

of

> > Service.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > Sponsor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to: -

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> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> Sponsor

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There is NO Hinduism, just Sanatan Dharma.

 

As far as my understanding of Shaivite Sadhus' take on Rudraksha, what do you

mean or refer to exactly?

 

OM Namo Narayan!

-

surajraghavan2002

Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:28 PM

RBSC : Re: Ganesha Mukhis

 

 

I wish some religious departments at universities would have this

message plastered on their entrance:-) just to remind themselves of

the fact that there is no one take on Hinduism. I'd be interested in

your understanding of Shaivaite sadhus take on Rudrakshas, if and

when you have time. Enjoyed your post. Thanks!

 

 

> As far as Nagas representing mainstream Hinduism, there truly is NO

such thing as Hinduism in reality. This a a Western academic

construct created to group the entire, extremely diverse religions of

the people living in Bharat (India) under one "Name" and thus make it

easy to categorize them as Western academia always does. Then they

can easily take license to represent those people and their religious

ideals/ideas, which is what Western Academia always does.

>

> Juna Akhara is the largest and oldest Akhara and within Juna

Akhara, the Nagas are the oldest established lineages. I have spent

time with others but only the Shaivite sadhus and possibly the Shakta

Sadhus (mostly of Eastern India) would maintain the knowledge of the

Rudraksha, with a possible very rare exception amongst the Vaishnav

Lineages, who favor Tulsi Wood instead. Amongst the Shavaites, I

don't think there would be great argument that the Nagas are King.

>

> Bottom line that I have noticed is the merchants selling rudraksha

say very different things from the Sadhus knowledgeable in this

area. I didn't even find one amongst all the shops I visited in

Haridwar and Rishikesh that knew that counting mukhis on Gauri

Shankars was valid, not to mention desireable. I visited every shop

there was in those places on my first 2 trips and then revisited the

best on my last 2.

>

> I do like and own true 14 face non Gauri Shankars as well as 15,

16, 17 Gauri Shankars and so many others.

>

> Jai Maa,

>

> Surya

> -

> surajraghavan2002

>

> Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:06 PM

> RBSC : Re: Ganesha Mukhis

>

>

> Interesting message. I disagree a bit with your point that

Indians

> tend to favor scripture over living traditions. Anyone who has

grown

> up in India over 30 years old and exposed to traditional culture

will

> know that theory complements experiential learning. That is the

whole

> point of the guru parampara tradition. Otherwise what would be

the

> need of teachers as the literary output of the Indian

civilization in

> the past 2000 odd years is enormous and if you didn't need

teachers

> you could just become an expert by reading books. I agree however

> that this is a major problem with some Western Academicians and

some

> Indian scholars of the present day but this is a problem all over

the

> world where traditional knowledge is in danger of dying.

> There is however a minor revival among the more discriminating

about

> traditional scholarship (which has always been tightly integrated

> with practice both religious and secular)and its value. Also the

naga

> babas are not by any means representative of mainstream hinduism

> although i have no doubt that they know more about Rudrakshas

than

> just about anybody else.

> On a personal note, have you been to the rudraksha growing areas

in

> Nepal?

> Peace

> Suraj

>

> , "mahamuni"

> <mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> > Gauri Shankars where one of the two adjoined beads is smaller

than

> the other.

> >

> > Also 8 mukhi Ganesh beads are considered superior for obvious

> reasons. But all are great. Size and clarity of faces is also a

> factor.

> >

> > Always remember that scriptures came much later than oral

> traditions and are not meant to be interpreted outside of those

> traditions without the context of the Guru Parampara. This is

always

> forgotten, especially in the West and the non initiated scholars

and

> pundits of the East.

> >

> > The Nagas highly praise 11 face Gauri Shankar beads.

> Interestingly, they don't use the 11 face non Gauri Shankars.

> >

> > In the oral tradition there is discussion of beads with higher

> mukhis than 14. Up to 108 actually. I sat with a true, very

old,

> rudraksha master and discussed all about all these during my last

> trip. With many things there are great differences between the

> unbroken lineage traditions of the sadhus and the householder

> traditions, which all stemmed from the sadhu traditions in the

first

> place but many times were misinterpreted somewhere along the line.

> >

> > Also the sadhus typically are not engaged in the business of

these,

> while the householders are. With beads above 12 muhki, buyers

must

> be very careful as there is a great deal of expert cutting of

> additional faces that even expert buyers have trouble detecting.

> >

> > Bom Mahadev!

> > -

> > alstrup

> >

> > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:11 AM

> > Re: RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis

> >

> >

> > Thanks for those insights...

> >

> > What are Garbh Gauris?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Ole

> >

> > , "mahamuni"

> > <mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> > > They don't have the same # and absolutely have different

> effects.

> > The Naga Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the

mukhis

> on

> > them. They also state that the Garbh Gauris are superior,

> contrary

> > to what the modern sellers are saying. Since they are the

> holders

> > of the living tradition, which is based on oral tradition and

> Guru

> > Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them.

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > alstrup

> > >

> > > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM

> > > RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis

> > >

> > >

> > > I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads

> always

> > have

> > > the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have

different

> > effects?

> > >

> > > The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi

with

> > the

> > > trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have

different

> > blessing

> > > effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different

direction,

> like

> > > Ganesha deities?

> > >

> > > Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient

scriptures?

> > >

> > > I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described

in

> the

> > > ancient scriptures...

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Ole

> > >

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<mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> Gauri Shankars where one of the two adjoined beads is smaller than

the other.

>

> Also 8 mukhi Ganesh beads are considered superior for obvious

reasons. But all are great. Size and clarity of faces is also a

factor.

>

> Always remember that scriptures came much later than oral

traditions and are not meant to be interpreted outside of those

traditions without the context of the Guru Parampara. This is

always forgotten, especially in the West and the non initiated

scholars and pundits of the East.

>

> The Nagas highly praise 11 face Gauri Shankar beads.

Interestingly, they don't use the 11 face non Gauri Shankars.

>

> In the oral tradition there is discussion of beads with higher

mukhis than 14. Up to 108 actually. I sat with a true, very old,

rudraksha master and discussed all about all these during my last

trip. With many things there are great differences between the

unbroken lineage traditions of the sadhus and the householder

traditions, which all stemmed from the sadhu traditions in the first

place but many times were misinterpreted somewhere along the line.

>

> Also the sadhus typically are not engaged in the business of

these, while the householders are. With beads above 12 muhki,

buyers must be very careful as there is a great deal of expert

cutting of additional faces that even expert buyers have trouble

detecting.

>

> Bom Mahadev!

> -

> alstrup

>

> Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:11 AM

> Re: RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis

>

>

> Thanks for those insights...

>

> What are Garbh Gauris?

>

> Thanks,

> Ole

>

> , "mahamuni"

> <mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> > They don't have the same # and absolutely have different

effects.

> The Naga Babas only use Gauri Shankar beads and count the mukhis

on

> them. They also state that the Garbh Gauris are superior,

contrary

> to what the modern sellers are saying. Since they are the

holders

> of the living tradition, which is based on oral tradition and

Guru

> Parampara rather than a text, I will go with Them.

> >

> >

> > -

> > alstrup

> >

> > Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:01 AM

> > RBSC : Ganesha Mukhis

> >

> >

> > I am wondering if Ganesha (and also Gauri Shankar) beads

always

> have

> > the same number of mukhis and if not, if they have different

> effects?

> >

> > The Ganesha bead I have has 6 mukhis, counting the mukhi

with

> the

> > trunk. Also I am wondering if the bead will have different

> blessing

> > effect, if the trunk is pointing in a different direction,

like

> > Ganesha deities?

> >

> > Is Ganesha bead described at all in the ancient scriptures?

> >

> > I wonder why the highest mukhis above 14 is not described in

the

> > ancient scriptures...

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Ole

> >

> >

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