21 Mukhi/Suryaji, are you ready for this...WHY, WHY, WHY ?

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To all Loving Beings

Just be beings, bless & Love all...

what is the final goal ? we all are trying to get to happiness and then

bliss...then why to waste so much time ? Lortd shiva goes to where evere he

blesses, so fake or real your

FAITH ( Shrdhha) plays important role. Shiva within you is always with you,

needs Shakti to create abundence...

My UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, LOVE & love to all

Ashok

 

syzenith <syzenith wrote:

Namaste Surya,

 

Mahamuniji, I've been too immensely up and down in life by far

extremes that taking offense at anything just doesn't touch any

internal chords. Nothing is personal. For all should

be "detachment", at least this is part of my humble passage.

Friends might have to get several blocks and tackles to get my fur

flying :-) Try another loka perhaps.

 

Rest assured that you are welcome to say anything you want to me and

I will stomach it but never with ill feelings.

 

But be prepared to cop it too (always with love), that's all I

ask.....

 

In any case, what we are having here is a Discussion, not a debate.

Nor a critique... I for one, learn a lot from everybody here. You

are all my "Gyana Gurus". In sharing, I only seek to share, never

to convert nor brainwash. As often mentioned, everyone has a right

to believe in what they conceive to be their Truths. Whether its

your truth, their truth or my truth as I see it, it is all "One".

 

Please also don't simply assume Miss Neeta or Rudra Centre are like

shopkeepers in India. They are not and they do not bad mouth other

sellers, unless there is good reason to, when materials are copied

blatantly, falling outside of "fair use". Or when dealers tell

fanciful tales to innocent buyers that they are suppliers to Rudra

Centre, when they are not. Rudra Centre has not said they are the

only suppliers with genuine goods. Your relevant sentence was

rather "hitting below the belt".

 

I trust Miss Neeta and Rudra Centre implicitly but they are not the

only one source of info that I have. As mentioned, I'm 'studying'

rudrakshas. This means ferreting here, there and everywhere possible

when time permits.

 

While my 'truth' may not be your kettle of fish, and yours not my

everyday lassi, I'm open to all..... Until I discover the correct

avenue of Truth, I remain faithful to whatever is prevailing at any

given time. In the interval, there is no right or wrong.

 

Again, I do not doubt there are reputable shops or dealers in

Haridwar, and Babas who are expert in rudraksha. Of course not all

are fakes. Lets be fair. Of course Shiva resides there as well. And

like yourself, I do not condone con artists. Neither do I condemn

those who either knowingly or unknowingly tout fakes as the real

thing. Condemnation can never pour forth from my lips. Speech is

also mantra. Compassion is part of manifested existence well spent.

 

Also do not doubt your experience and ability to detect the real

thing from duds. I didn't say all are fakes in Haridwar though I

mentioned there is a great number of "lemons" (Ozzy slang) floating

around. Of course genuine rudrakshas of 13, 14 mukhi and above exist

there as well, as with everywhere else but the numbers are fewer

than duds.

 

If you read my sentences without haste and without jumping the gun,

you will see that in no way have I suggested or insisted that you or

anyone should cut open your 14 mukhis (or other high mukhi beads) to

see the insides. Though there are people who are game to do it.

 

If you feel that cutting open a rudraksha is akin to cutting open

Lord Shiva, and do not want to reap the karma, then I respect your

Truth as you see it.

 

But my Truth is:

----------------

Only Maa Kali can cut open Lord Shiva. Nothing else can.

 

Again please do not assume that I base my truths on someone else's,

Mahamuniji. And mere selling is not Miss Neeta's or Rudra Centre's

sole mission in life.

 

Miss Neeta and Rudra Centre, nor myself ever mentioned that "all of

Haridwar has the fakes and only Rudra Centre has the genuine stuff".

That's jumping the gun. Let's try and see the forest for the trees.

 

Marketplaces I've visited in Nepal and India. And went away with the

conviction that only an Indian or Nepali can successfully do

business with Indians and Nepalis. And only Chinese born and bred

in India with excellent command of Hindi and local native dialects

can also do business with them.

 

Of course no Indian shopkeeper would dare get on the wrong side of a

Baba, but what if the shopkeeper is clumsy but innocent?

 

Everone knows the "deal" stated in the Scriptures is "round" but is

virtually extinct in today's times. Hence the fakes of round Eka

mukhi floating the markets. But does this mean Half Moon Shaped Eka

Mukhi are not genuine rudraksha? Unlikely.

 

Om Namah Shivaya

Sy

 

 

, "mahamuni"

<mahamuni@c...> wrote:

> Sy,

>

> What you are saying is absolutely incorrect. Please don't take

offense, but Ms Neeta is doing what all the shopkeepers in India do--

talk badly about other sellers while praising themselves saying only

they have the genuine ones. She is WRONG. You use her as your

source of info because you trust her. That is fine but I can tell

you that she is wrong. Period. I know that might not be easy to

stomach but that is the truth.

>

> While I agree that most shops in Haridwar and Rishikesh are not to

be trusted, there are some very reputable shops there, but only a

few in each location. I visited EVERY ONE and consulted with the

Babas who were expert in these beads. Not just any babas, but the

ones expert in this knowledge. Not all are rip offs and fakes.

Haridwar is a VERY HOLY city of Shiva. One of the 4 place Amrit,

the nectar of Immortality, fell. Believe me that Lord Shiva resides

there and He is to be found if looked for sincerely. Rudraksha are

Lord Shiva Himself so of course the True Rudrakshas exist there as

well. Though just like there are many fake babas, etc., there are

many fake rudrakshas. While I don't condone or appreciate these

poor people trying to make a living this way and think it is a great

sin, I dont' condemn them either. I just have compassion for them.

>

> If I had bought the 21 face, I would have resold it right away so

there was no fear. While there are some VERY good fakes of 12s into

14s, with enough patience and magnification one can tell. But there

are ABSOLUTELY real 13s, 14s, etc to be found in Haridwar and there

are people who can pay the price and buy them. I feel very

confident in my ability to detect real from fake. I've been doing

this for 10 years already. I'm certainly not going to cut open any

of my 14 face beads. The thought of me cutting open any of my

prized rudrakshas is more than I could bear. Cutting Lord Shiva in

half is not the karma I want.

>

> I base my knowledge on my own personal experience and research.

Again with no offense, you are basing yours on someone else's who

like it or not is compromised due to her desire to sell these

beads. I'm not in the business of reselling at this point in time.

I have no agenda whatsoever.

>

> I did buy some nice beads from Dharma Dev when we met but to be

honest I found much nicer GS beads and 14 face beads at the true and

good shops in Haridwar and Rishikesh. Both larger and nicer.

>

> Think about this, since all these beads come from Nepal pretty

much (talking about larger round multi mukhis) how is it that all of

Haridwar has the fakes but only Miss Neeta has the legitimates?

This does not make sense. If you spent some time in the market

places of India and see how these shop keepers work, you will

understand the Indian mindset much better regarding business. I

don't care for it myself. I look for the diamonds in the rough and

with effort and determination, I find them. There are a few tricks

to use that I won't go into here. But believe me, no shopkeeper

wants to piss off a well known and powerful Naga Baba like some that

I hang out with.

>

> The oval beads are a whole other matter and are as you stated.

They are truly only 3 face beads of another species. When picked

immature they can be 2 or 1 but these are not the real deal. Even

the cashew style one face sold by Rudra Center are NOT the real

deal. They know it. Everyone knows it. Those are beautiful in

their own right, but the real deal is almost non existant and is

round. But due to so many reading about the 1 face in the

scripture, and everyone wanting one, the supply was created.

>

> That is enough for now.

>

> Jai Mahadev! Jai Maa!

>

>

> syzenith <syzenith> wrote:

> Namaskar Surya,

>

> Hope you are ready for this... and won't lose your cool. You

may

> want to consider getting the scalpel out after reading below.

Thank

> Shiva you did not buy the 21 mukhi in Haridwar or you will want

to

> skin the dealer alive on your next trip.

>

> Yes, authentic 21 mukhi are booked in advance by those who can

> afford it. And the prices are indeed sky high (by most of our

> standards) at US$15,000 to US$20,000 for the Real Thing.

>

> In Haridwar, rudraksha higher than 12 mukhi are usually fakes.

> During this particular season, demand has been especially high

and

> even 8 mukhis are faked by the carving of lines into lower

mukhis.

>

> It has been confirmed by Rudra Centre India that suppliers in

> Haridwar openly mention that if they ever have genuine 14

mukhis, it

> is for supplying to Rudra Centre. This is because they do not

have

> any clientele who will pay the actual market price of the

authentic

> 14 mukhi due to cheaper fakes being sold all over the place.

>

> It is known that fake One mukhi Round are sold widely too.

>

> The best test to determine a genuine rudraksha from a fake bead

is

> to cut it, then count the number of seeds inside . A 3 mukhi has

3

> seeds, 4 mukhi has 4 and 14 mukhi has 14 and 21 faced has 21

seeds.

> This holds true for all beads of Nepali origin .

>

> In the case of Oval 2 mukhi and 3 mukhi from India , the seeds

are

> not very prominent. If you cut a 2 mukhi Oval transversally,

you

> would see two locules, one large and one very tiny.

>

> In the Oval 3 mukhi, there is one large locule and 2 almost

> invisible locules or marks in their place.

>

> If you cut an oval bead that is being sold widely as the "Round

1

> mukhi" (this exterior is similar to Oval 3 mukhi), you will see

an

> identical structure of the 3 mukhi Oval bead, i.e. one large

locule

> and 2 insignificantly developed locules. This proves that the

bead

> is actually a tampered 3 mukhi Oval.

>

> The above method of testing by cutting the beads, is important

food

> for thought, courtesy of Miss Neeta and Rudra Centre.

>

> Om Namah Shivaya

> Sy

>

> , "mahamuni"

> <mahamuni@c...> wrote:

>

> > Sy,

> >

> > I have seen two 21 mukhi rudrakshas on my last trip to

Northern

> India. Both were absolutely authentic and from very reputable

> dealers who had top quality material. I had dealt with both in

the

> past. They absolutely are not booked years in advance. There

is

> not just 2 or 3 fields supplying all of India. I'm not sure who

is

> giving you this incorrect info.

> >

> > As far as price, I feel you are way off. 9 lahk rupees

($20,000)

> is off the wall, though I wouldn't doubt someone is trying to

get

> this for one of these. $1500-2000 is more like it. I had a

buyer

> for one in Haridwar (another Rudraksha dealer who had another

> customer waiting for one) and found one on my last day in

> Rishikesh. Could have profited 30,000 rps but I didn't have the

> time since it was my last day. I didn't have the funds to put

down

> so much for myself. I had already made some super nice

purchases of

> the smallest, nicest chiknas I had ever seen, plus quite a few

14

> mukhis, GS beads of 11, and 14-17 mukhis, as well as some with

one

> bead being one face.

> >

> > Anyway this is my experience.

> >

> > Surya

>

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