Syzenith

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Namaste Syzenith:

I've included your comments from several messages on this thread

including your last one. My response is below each of your statements.

MaryJo and friends:

It is ALWAYS about the rudrakshas.

Suraj

 

Syzenith:Namaste Suraj,

Just answering your questions to the best of my knowledge, no more

and no less. So don't take offence but I'm gonna be blunt:

 

My response: How else does one answer questions? We all make

statements "to the best of our knowledge".

 

Syzenith once said, "Personally I'm detached, hence I'm able to

stomach everything that is said to me. Don't worry, I only view all

this as "Discussion" and to learn from one another.

 

My response: Good. This should come in handy as I'm sure you'll be

able to "stomach" all that is said "with detachment".

 

Syzenith:Getting personal is only when an individual chooses to see

it this way. It is your individual perception, not necessarily

Chandrashekharji's or mine.

 

My response: I disagree. This statement, alongwith the "I'm detached

so I can stomach everything" is , IMO, a way to say whatever you want

to about others and then use the "detachment" clause to say, but it's

not personal.

 

Syzenith:In feeling its getting personal, you are thus

seeing 'duality'. You are correct, you haven't been privy.

 

My response: Please spare me the neo-vedantic rhetoric. You

said, "You are asking him who calls himself "Senior Scientist" but is

online at this club 24 hours a day, conning people about

his 'studies' of rudraksha." If this is not personal, I don't know

what is.

 

Syzenith: Chandrashekharji knows exactly which angle I was coming

from, bless him. Although so far x locules/x seeds have not yet been

published in peer journals, it does not mean it may not happen one of

these days.

My response: I'm told pigs can fly too. However until I see one or

it's published in a peer reviewed journal, I refuse to believe it.

That is the whole point of having peer reviews otherwise anyone can

claim as they fancy. Also, I'm surprised you fail to see the irony of

saying others are "conning" people with their research when your own

claims haven't been published yet.

 

Syzenith:Again it is your perception that he is being discredited.

Doesn't this compel you to take sides? What is your intention of

this message then?

 

My response: You said, "You are asking him who calls himself "Senior

Scientist" but is online at this club 24 hours a day, conning people

about his 'studies' of rudraksha." This is what is meant by

discrediting. When I posted my message originally, I wasn't taking

anyone's side. But I am now. My intention is very simple. People who

have been on this group long enough will realize that anytime there

is a possibility of an "alternate source" for Rudrakshas, the

distributors get all shook up. My problem is with biases in

information, which I'll get to at the end of this long message. This

is bad for consumers but obviously great for distributors. This is

not to say that Chandrashekhar's beads are genuine. I have no clue

whether they are genuine or not and neither do you Syzenith. You may

be privy to what Netta tells you but you haven't seen the beads

yourself.

 

Syzenith: He jolly well knows I haven't discredited him and hasn't

taken it that way. So, why are you carrying the can for him? I am

sure he can speak for himself if he chooses to.

 

My response: Not true. Go back and read his message where he says

that he posted all this on the group site because you seemed to imply

that he and his beads were fake. I'm not "carrying the can" for him,

at least that wasn't my intention in the first message. He already

has spoken for himself. He posted three detailed messages on the club

site. Friends, just so you know, for the record, I don't know

Chandrashekhar personally. I have no business dealings with him.

After I posted my message, I received an email message from him

saying he had been removed from the group and the 7 or so images he

had sent Syzenith were not uploaded to the group site. He also said

that if I support him my membership might be terminated. I don't know

if this is true, but if it is, this is an unhealthy trend. This is a

hosted by Rudra Center and the people who benefit from

this are the distributors. I have no problem with that and to be

fair, Chandrashekhar or anyone else can start their own site if they

want to sell their beads. What I have a problem with is a monopoly on

truth. Just so you know, I don't have a problem with my membership

being cancelled.

 

Syzenith:.Its always best to let someone discredit themselves

eventually.

My response: As you have ably demonstrated.

 

Syzenith:For example, as he mentioned: "Give me a deposit and I will

cut open the bead." First his 21 mukhi was some cheaper Rupees rate,

then a few messages later, it went up to US$8800, as in 4 lakhs

rupees I think. Is this consistency?

 

My response: You got me here. I did read the posts by him but I don't

recall the different rates.

 

Syzenith:If anyone pays US$8,800- for one bead, and if I can afford

this (without government or institutional funding), I would the

satisfaction of cutting the bead open myself. This is the thrill of

research, doing it yourself. Not pay someone else in a location

thousands of miles away to cut open maybe a piece of resin instead,

tamper whatever slides or pictures, then send them over. Research is

hands on and the responsible researcher does not take such chances.

Perhaps one day I may well go to Pune and have it cut open with him

present, if and when funding turns up. This will be fun!!

 

My response: Would you be willing to cut open one of Rudra Center's

expensive beads for free, if I or anybody else doubt its

authenticity? Also, if I read his response correctly, he asked for a

deposit but I don't seem to recall his post saying that you couldn't

cut it yourself.

 

Syzenith:Along the way, if you really read each and every posting

correctly to fully become aware of what they indicated, you would

have realised a thing or two by now. How many more times do I have

to say I agree that Miss Neeta and Shri Tanay aren't the only 2

people in the world who are experts with authentification of

rudraksha? I certainly would move on. Dwelling on perceptions is a

waste of time.

 

My response: Alright we both admit that the folks at Rudra Center are

not the only experts. Perhaps you'll stop dwelling on the perception

that I'm taking sides. Actually, I am now but I wasn't in my original

post.

 

Syzenith:Miss Neeta and staff personally fly to different locations

and travel for days up to a couple of weeks, to personally examine

and select rudrakshas of high mukhis when the season is in. As for

vast numbers of lower mukhi beads, her staff at the home office are

well trained and experienced in quality grading. As the artisans

string the malas, they see, touch, feel and string each bead as they

go along.

 

My response: I would imagine that anybody in this business will have

to fly and travel to different locations. My point was that it is

ridiculous to claim or imply that only Rudra Centre can do this. My

interactions with Neeta, for the record, have been extremely

pleasant. What I have a problem with is the high handedness of the

distributors sometimes.

 

Syzenith:Even a blind artisan can feel the difference between real

and dud, when it comes to sorting into bins the garbage or the

genuine bead. A spade is a spade.

 

My response: Really! I was under the impression that it requires some

level of expertise.

 

Syzenith:So far he is the only person here who can really have a

hearty discussion without taking it personally. My admiration for

him is in other aspects, Suraj.

 

My response: Does this include you as well? I don't know him or his

work to admire him.