Guest guest Posted November 15, 2003 Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 Auction the skull on Ebay, no ya're not gitting in me poor lil will. Throw the mala to Ganga Ma, this is acceptable. Ok ya have a surplus of bowls. This wittiness is smooth on the palate. Still, ain't interested in ya pals or the Babas ya hang out with. Tis you, who is present here now that matters. The peppercorn sized rudraksha, are they strung? Would think they are too tiny. Thin wire? And do you rub your beads with ash after oiling or before? Sincerely curious, that's all. , "mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > And I already have a good supply of skull bowls. I do have a famous Aghori Baba friend you know. He is actually a Naga now. > - > syzenith > > Friday, November 14, 2003 7:48 PM > RBSC : Surya/ding ding :-) > > > Eh Mahamuni, don't get grrreedy. Can't take worldly possessions when > we cark it, very true. But for particular reasons, the one to be > draped was promised to Maa. When you see this mala, you will > understand from the shapes. Pls observe this or poor Sy will have > to find someone else. Crack the skull clean (ya betta begin > practising on more coconuts for this 'very-worth-your-while' > request). Or would you prefer to use it for a bowl? You stick to > your tradition when handling those from your tradition if you want. > Who says I have to? You game or not for the garlands? > > > , "mahamuni" > <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > We can keep the mala on only until you are done cooking. Can't > take it with ya. > > > > The skull is always cracked after it is cooked enough, for the > exact reasons stated. The Brahmarandhra is broken open this way so > the Atma may leave. This is at least the tradition. I thought you > spent some time in the cremation grounds? > > - > > syzenith > > > > Friday, November 14, 2003 6:17 PM > > RBSC : Surya/ding ding :-) > > > > > > No problem Mahamuni, just send your real name & permanent addy, > via > > email so I can write you in my will. When I die, my solicitors > will > > contact you. You will also get an airticket to Varanasi from > > wherever you're holed up. There are 2 malas, one for you to keep > or > > sell. The other to be draped on the shava. (Maa, I can't trust > my > > family but I can trust a stranger to do this for me, > rnanubandhana > > then.) > > > > Oh yeah I know you're witty and often being delightfully witty. > But > > remember: Sarcasm is a low form of wit. Would ya not consider > > utilizing another form? The Sun has 12 Adityas, so do you. > Next....! > > > > Crack whatever the hell you want, son. The shava is only a > shell. > > Be careful with the bloody skull though, make sure the soul > doesn't > > come back to haunt you :-) > > > > Jai Smashan Maa > > Sy > > > > --- In , "mahamuni" > > <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > > I wasn't being sarcastic...only witty. > > > > > > I'd be happy to cremate you and crack open the top of the > skull to > > release your Atma. Wouldn't be the first I've done this > lifetime. > > My Smashan of choice is Manikarnika Ghat in Varanasi. > > > > > > Bom! > > > - > > > syzenith > > > > > > Friday, November 14, 2003 5:53 PM > > > RBSC : Surya/ding ding :-) > > > > > > > > > Namaskar Mahamuni, > > > > > > I'm not dead yet. One day when I am, can will the shava to > you > > and > > > fly it to the smashan of your choice and you can perform > ritual > > > there. > > > > > > And not banned from here yet. So there's not yet "Ding, > Ding, > > Round > > > Over..". > > > > > > Someone once taught that "Sarcasm is a low form of wit". No > > offence > > > meant, just ruffling ya feathers :-) > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > > Sy > > > > > > --- In > , "mahamuni" > > > <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > > > Ding Ding. Round Over....and what a round. Ha! > > > > > > > - > > > > surajraghavan2002 > > > > > > > > Friday, November 14, 2003 2:19 PM > > > > RBSC : Syzenith > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Syzenith: > > > > I've included your comments from several messages on > this > > thread > > > > including your last one. My response is below each of > your > > > statements. > > > > MaryJo and friends: It's ALWAYS about the rudrakshas. > > > > Suraj > > > > > > > > Syzenith:Namaste Suraj, > > > > Just answering your questions to the best of my > knowledge, > > no > > > more > > > > and no less. So don't take offence but I'm gonna be > blunt: > > > > > > > > My response: How else does one answer questions? We all > make > > > > statements "to the best of our knowledge". > > > > > > > > Syzenith once said, "Personally I'm detached, hence I'm > able > > to > > > > stomach everything that is said to me. Don't worry, I > only > > view > > > all > > > > this as "Discussion" and to learn from one another. > > > > > > > > My response: Good. This should come in handy as I'm sure > > you'll > > > be > > > > able to "stomach" all that is said "with detachment". > > > > > > > > Syzenith:Getting personal is only when an individual > chooses > > to > > > see > > > > it this > > > > way. It is your individual perception, not necessarily > > > > Chandrashekharji's or mine. > > > > > > > > My response: I disagree. This statement, alongwith > the "I'm > > > detached > > > > so I can stomach everything" is , IMO, a way to say > whatever > > you > > > want > > > > to about others and then use the "detachment" clause to > say, > > but > > > it's > > > > not personal. > > > > > > > > Syzenith:In feeling its getting personal, you are thus > > > > seeing 'duality'. You are correct, you haven't been > privy. > > > > > > > > My response: Please spare me the neo-vedantic rhetoric. > You > > > > said, "You are asking him who calls himself "Senior > > Scientist" > > > but is > > > > online at this club 24 hours a day, conning people about > > > > his 'studies' of rudraksha." If this is not personal, I > > don't > > > know > > > > what is. You haven't been privy to anything either > except > > > perhaps > > > > what you might have heard from Neeta. > > > > > > > > Syzenith: Chandrashekharji knows exactly which angle I > was > > > coming > > > > from, bless him. Although so far x locules/x seeds have > not > > yet > > > been > > > > published in peer journals, it does not mean it may not > > happen > > > one of > > > > these days. > > > > > > > > My response: I'm told pigs can fly too. However until I > see > > one > > > or > > > > it's published in a peer reviewed journal, I refuse to > > believe > > > it. > > > > That is the whole point of having peer reviews otherwise > > anyone > > > can > > > > claim as they fancy. Also, I'm surprised you fail to see > the > > > irony of > > > > saying others are "conning" people with their research > when > > > your own > > > > claims haven't been published yet. > > > > > > > > Syzenith:Again it is your perception that he is being > > > discredited. > > > > Doesn't this compel you to take sides? What is your > > intention > > > of > > > > this message then? > > > > > > > > My response: You said, "You are asking him who calls > > > himself "Senior > > > > Scientist" but is online at this club 24 hours a day, > > conning > > > people > > > > about his 'studies' of rudraksha." This is what is meant > by > > > > discrediting. When I posted my message originally, I > wasn't > > > taking > > > > anyone's side. But I am now. My intention is very > simple. > > People > > > who > > > > have been on this group long enough will realize that > > anytime > > > there > > > > is a possibility of an "alternate source" for > Rudrakshas, > > the > > > > distributors get all shook up. My problem is with biases > in > > > > information, which I'll get to at the end of this long > > message. > > > This > > > > is bad for consumers but obviously great for > distributors. > > This > > > is > > > > not to say that Chandrashekhar's beads are genuine. I > have > > no > > > clue > > > > whether they are genuine or not and neither do you > Syzenith. > > You > > > may > > > > be privy to what Neeta tells you but you haven't seen > the > > beads > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > Syzenith: He jolly well knows I haven't discredited him > and > > > hasn't > > > > taken it that way. So, why are you carrying the can for > > him? I > > > am > > > > sure he can speak for himself if he chooses to. > > > > > > > > My response: Not true. Go back and read his message > where he > > > says > > > > that he posted all this on the group site because you > seemed > > to > > > imply > > > > that he and his beads were fake. I'm not "carrying the > can" > > for > > > him, > > > > at least that wasn't my intention in the first message. > He > > > already > > > > has spoken for himself. He posted three detailed > messages on > > the > > > club > > > > site. Friends, just so you know, for the record, I don't > > know > > > > Chandrashekhar personally. I have no business dealings > with > > him. > > > > After I posted my message, I received an email message > from > > him > > > > saying he had been removed from the group and the 7 or > so > > images > > > he > > > > had sent Syzenith were not uploaded to the group site. > He > > also > > > said > > > > that if I support him my membership might be terminated. > I > > don't > > > know > > > > if this is true, but if it is, this is an unhealthy > trend. > > This > > > is a > > > > hosted by Rudra Center and the people who > > benefit > > > from > > > > this are the distributors. I have no problem with that > and > > to be > > > > fair, Chandrashekhar or anyone else can start their own > site > > if > > > they > > > > want to sell their beads. What I have a problem with is > a > > > monopoly on > > > > truth. Just so you know, I don't have a problem with my > > > membership > > > > being cancelled. > > > > > > > > Syzenith:.Its always best to let someone discredit > > themselves > > > > eventually. > > > > > > > > My response: As you have ably demonstrated. > > > > > > > > Syzenith:For example, as he mentioned: "Give me a > deposit > > and I > > > will > > > > cut open the bead." First his 21 mukhi was some cheaper > > Rupees > > > rate, > > > > then a few messages later, it went up to US$8800, as in > 4 > > lakhs > > > > rupees I think. Is this consistency? > > > > > > > > My response: You got me here. I did read the posts by > him > > but I > > > don't > > > > recall the different rates. > > > > > > > > Syzenith:If anyone pays US$8,800- for one bead, and if I > can > > > afford > > > > this (without government or institutional funding), I > would > > the > > > > satisfaction of cutting the bead open myself. This is > the > > > thrill of > > > > research, doing it yourself. Not pay someone else in a > > location > > > > thousands of miles away to cut open maybe a piece of > resin > > > instead, > > > > tamper whatever slides or pictures, then send them over. > > > Research is > > > > hands on and the responsible researcher does not take > such > > > chances. > > > > Perhaps one day I may well go to Pune and have it cut > open > > with > > > him > > > > present, if and when funding turns up. This will be > fun!! > > > > > > > > My response: Would you be willing to cut open one of > Rudra > > > Center's > > > > expensive beads for free, if I or anybody else doubt its > > > > authenticity? Also, if I read his response correctly, he > > asked > > > for a > > > > deposit but I don't seem to recall his post saying that > you > > > couldn't > > > > cut it yourself. > > > > > > > > Syzenith:Along the way, if you really read each and > every > > > posting > > > > correctly to fully become aware of what they indicated, > you > > > would > > > > have realised a thing or two by now. How many more > times > > do I > > > have > > > > to say I agree that Miss Neeta and Shri Tanay aren't the > > only 2 > > > > people in the world who are experts with > authentification of > > > > rudraksha? I certainly would move on. Dwelling on > > perceptions > > > is a > > > > waste of time. > > > > > > > > My response: Alright we both admit that the folks at > Rudra > > > Center are > > > > not the only experts. Perhaps you'll stop dwelling on > the > > > perception > > > > that I'm taking sides. Actually, I am now but I wasn't > in my > > > original > > > > post. > > > > > > > > Syzenith:Miss Neeta and staff personally fly to > different > > > locations > > > > and travel for days up to a couple of weeks, to > personally > > > examine > > > > and select rudrakshas of high mukhis when the season is > in. > > As > > > for > > > > vast numbers of lower mukhi beads, her staff at the home > > office > > > are > > > > well trained and experienced in quality grading. As the > > > artisans > > > > string the malas, they see, touch, feel and string each > bead > > as > > > they > > > > go along. > > > > > > > > My response: I would imagine that anybody in this > business > > will > > > have > > > > to fly and travel to different locations. My point was > that > > it > > > is > > > > ridiculous to claim or imply that only Rudra Centre can > do > > this. > > > My > > > > interactions with Neeta, for the record, have been > extremely > > > > pleasant. What I have a problem with is the high > handedness > > of > > > the > > > > distributors sometimes. > > > > > > > > Syzenith:Even a blind artisan can feel the difference > > between > > > real > > > > and dud, when it comes to sorting into bins the garbage > or > > the > > > > genuine bead. A spade is a spade. > > > > > > > > My response: Really! I was under the impression that it > > requires > > > some > > > > level of expertise. > > > > > > > > Syzenith:So far he is the only person here who can > really > > have a > > > > hearty discussion without taking it personally. My > > admiration > > > for > > > > him is in other aspects, Suraj. > > > > > > > > My response: Does this include you as well? 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