Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 Pranams Dearest Sy ji, exactly the same happened to me when i replied. i added a lot about the 'nyasa' part that preceeds the regular puja but got off. nyasa and sankalp are very much essential for one who does regular jaap of say- Gayatri or rudrabhisekha.i mean purification of self before establishing a link between the atma and the paramatma. repeating mantras with the covering is also done while reciting certain mantras by Vedantics. otherwise these mantras are procedural depending on the purpose for which they are recited like marriage, upanayan, etc. and in some cases the mantras are followed by 'phala stuti' or 'the concluding part'. for ex the mrutyunjay mantra ends at 'mrutyor muksheeya mamrutaat' but there is more to it.. ''yo rudro agnau yo apsuya aushadi shiyo rudro viswa buvana vivesa tasmai rudraya namo astu'' tamustuhi yah swishuh sudanwa yo viswasya shayathi bheshjasya, yakshwah maheshou manasaya rudram namo bhir-devamasuram duwasya, ayam may hasto bhagwan ayam may bhagwatarah, ayam may viswabhe shajoyaghum shivabhi marshanaha yete sahasramayutam pasha mruyo matyar yahantaway , taan yagnasya mayaya sarwanava yajamahe, mruyumay swaha, mrutyumay swaha, Om namo bhagawate rudraya vishnave mrutyume pahi, prananam grantirasi rudro ma vi-shantakah tenaan-nenaanApyaswa, namo bhagawate rudraya vishnave mrutyume pahi, Om Shanti---(3) i shall record this part and send you via next mail. hope u will like it. regardig tantik even though same mantra is repeated n+1 times, the symbolic gesture will be changed which inturn changes the meaning of the same word. thereby instead of oral vibration the bodily vibration takes place. in a way perspectively both were same. tio put more clearily- in order to melt something it has to be subjected to heat. you might have also heard that stones used to melt into water when great singers like Tansen in Akbar's court sang. so tansen created oral vibrations while in the former case it is being done physically. the tantriik tradition is widely followed in Kerala state of sounth india. warm regards, rajeswara syzenith <syzenith wrote: Dearest Rajeswaraji, Namaskar and Pranaams; Was typing a reply to you but it vanished..! Also had recent hiccups where my mail addy was used to send screen saver attachments to strangers overseas.. Weird few days past Thank you for your kind input which is highly appreciated. In much resonance with you about understanding meanings of mantras being illuminating and the relaxation derived immense, very much so. Would also like to add a little to my previous post about the lock effect or "covering; wrapping", etc. Also found that Vedantics repeat mantras without the "covering" while many tantrik traditions do. Om Namah Shivaya Best regards Sy , rajeswara rao <sarvadu> wrote: > Dearest Sy ji > > pranams and om namah shivaya > > very well said about the mantras and the locking effect. rightly, the recitation of mantras,with concentration love and respect for the mantra makes one completely involved in the process. from my experience i believe the when you understand the meaning of the mantra also while chanting it really illuminates your mind and relexation derived is very immense. > > with regards, > rajeswara > > > syzenith <syzenith> wrote: > Namaste Allen, > > Just a humble attempt at answering your question: > --------------- > > In some traditions, the repetition is straight forward as > in "Triyambhakam Yajamahey, Sungandhim Pushti Vardanam, etc......" > > The mantra described by you is a version with the "Lock Effect". A > mantra repeated with the "Lock Effect" (as mentioned by Sri > DharmaDev Archarya), magnifies the mantra's many times over. > > A 'lock effect' can also be likened to "coming full circle", like a > serpent curled in a circle with its tail in its mouth. Say you're > sewing..... You've begun and ended the stitches. But to make sure > they don't fray or come off easily, you go over the stictches > backwards with the needle. > > IMVHO, metaphorically-speaking, the Lock Effect "holds" the mantra > in, keeps it together and intact for it to manifest where it is > intended and not elsewhere. Hope this makes sense? I'm not good at > explaining mantras > > Mantras are not regarded as mere "objects" for focusing the mind; it > is the "illuminator" of the mind. When reciting mantras, love and > respect for the mantra are more important than concentration on the > mantra. > > Mantra sadhana is a very involved and complex science generally > comprising two components - Prana Pratistha and Nyasa. The first is > intense visualization energized by the mantra (simply put). The > second (Nyasa) means to "synchronize" different aspects of a mantra > with different aspects of the being, i.e. synchronize forces of the > mantra with different limbs and organs of the body. Then again > there are different levels of Nyasa (Kara nyasa, Anga nyasa and > Vyapaka nyasa). > > Won't go into this as it will only confound everyone and myself as > well I'm befuddled by the immenseness of it all as well. Would > take many lifetimes to even glimpse a little futher down the tip of > the iceberg. Any further than the above two components, a seeker > should look for appropriate guidance by relevant gurus. > > As mentioned above, I'm useless at explaining mantras so if other > respected members and friends wish to comment or share, you are all > most welcome -- thanks in advance.. > > Om Namah Shivaya > Sy > > > , "achilles1125" > <atuazon@n...> wrote: > > > hello everyone! > > > > i hope you're all having a great week and are all looking forward > to > > an uplifting weekend. > > > > i know it might be a little off-topic, but i was hoping that > someone > > blessed with an understanding of the science of mantras could > answer > > a question i have: > > > > as you all have taught me, the mantra of Shiva, Supremely- > Victorious- > > Over-Death, is "Om Hoom Joom Sah, Om Bhu Bhuvaha Swaha, Om > > Triambakam Yajamahey, Sungandhim Pushti Vardanam, Urvar kamiva > > Bandhanan, Mrityor Muksheeya Mamritat, Swaha Bhuvaha Bhu Om, Sah > > Joom Hoom Om." > > > > the mantra seems to turn itself inside out in a sense -- it moves > > forward, then repeats the same sequence of sounds backwards. i've > > noticed that some others have used other mantras in this way, > > e.g., "om namah shivay shivay namah om." > > > > since mantras are sonic expressions of transcendental energy, i > was > > wondering -- what are the energetic effects are of a mantra > modified > > in this way? what is the core difference between a mantra recited > > simply first-to-last and a mantra recited first-to-last-then- last- > to- > > first? can one treat any/all mantras in this way? > > > > thank you for answering! if this subject has been treated before, > > please kindly direct me to the appropriate post, as the RBSC > library > > of knowledge is difficult to scour. > > > > best, > > > > allen > > atuazon@n... 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