Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Dear Respected Alanji thanks for great message.........have a question...........so how did first person awaken then........is this like chicken and egg........what came first : ) I mean somebody had to be out there.......Manu perhaps Thanks and Take Care DharmaDev In a message dated 7/5/2004 7:45:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, source311 writes: > > > Hi Kari, Jim and friends.... with all due respect and love, there is one > element that must be present in any truthful understanding of the scriptures > > whether Vedic, Tantric or whatever tradition, and that is Consciousness. > The ancient scriptures are revelations of the seers - enlightening men and > women who cognized the nature of reality from the perspective of a very pure > > and expanded consciousness. Thus, their real impact and significance is > revealed only in the light of that same Consciousness. > > To really understand them at an experiential level, where they are alive as > impulses of Consciousness, you either need to be living at that level of > awareness yourself or else you need to have a teacher who is at that level. > > Otherwise, it is roughly comparable to trying learn to perform brain surgery > > by reading books. It requires an adept and without that, you are really > just creating a lot of confusion for yourself. > > Please do not think that I am being pompous here. I am studying the Tantric > > scriptures with a Master and there is no way I could ever have understood > them on my own... so I am speaking from experience. Same is true of any > spiritual practice such as meditation. Sure, you can learn and practice > techniques and mantras on your own and derive some benefit, but it will > never move you to any real spiritual awakening unless it is coming from an > awakened teacher. I think it is fair to say that no one has ever truly > awakened on their own and no one ever will. > > Yes... there may be many half-baked teachers out there, (especially in > California, ha-ha). But nevertheless, the bottom line is that you have to > find an authentic, realized teacher if you are really serious about > spiritual transformation. I know this goes against the Western ideal of > self-reliance and personal authority, but in the spiritual realm, it does > not work that way. Real enlightenment has never been a do-it-yourself > affair. Only a torch can light another torch. Otherwise you are just > treading water... > > with love, > Alan > > > > > > > >"karisprowl" <karisprowl > > (AT) (DOT) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Dear friend DharmaDev - good one!! What came first? Yes, someone like Manu or Agastya or Shukadeva. Later came the rest of us idiots... but first came the immortal ones. Shiva then Shakti and then everything else. Perfect.... all love, Alan >AumShiningLotus > > >Re: RBSC : RE: RBSC : Re: the three eyed goddess a >Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:30:16 EDT > >Dear Respected Alanji > >thanks for great message.........have a question...........so how did first >person awaken then........is this like chicken and egg........what came >first : >) > >I mean somebody had to be out there.......Manu perhaps > >Thanks and Take Care > >DharmaDev > >In a message dated 7/5/2004 7:45:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, >source311 writes: > > > > > > > Hi Kari, Jim and friends.... with all due respect and love, there is one > > element that must be present in any truthful understanding of the >scriptures > > > > whether Vedic, Tantric or whatever tradition, and that is Consciousness. > > The ancient scriptures are revelations of the seers - enlightening men >and > > women who cognized the nature of reality from the perspective of a very >pure > > > > and expanded consciousness. Thus, their real impact and significance is > > revealed only in the light of that same Consciousness. > > > > To really understand them at an experiential level, where they are alive >as > > impulses of Consciousness, you either need to be living at that level of > > awareness yourself or else you need to have a teacher who is at that >level. > > > > Otherwise, it is roughly comparable to trying learn to perform brain >surgery > > > > by reading books. It requires an adept and without that, you are really > > just creating a lot of confusion for yourself. > > > > Please do not think that I am being pompous here. I am studying the >Tantric > > > > scriptures with a Master and there is no way I could ever have >understood > > them on my own... so I am speaking from experience. Same is true of any > > spiritual practice such as meditation. Sure, you can learn and practice > > techniques and mantras on your own and derive some benefit, but it will > > never move you to any real spiritual awakening unless it is coming from >an > > awakened teacher. I think it is fair to say that no one has ever truly > > awakened on their own and no one ever will. > > > > Yes... there may be many half-baked teachers out there, (especially in > > California, ha-ha). But nevertheless, the bottom line is that you have >to > > find an authentic, realized teacher if you are really serious about > > spiritual transformation. I know this goes against the Western ideal of > > self-reliance and personal authority, but in the spiritual realm, it >does > > not work that way. Real enlightenment has never been a do-it-yourself > > affair. Only a torch can light another torch. Otherwise you are just > > treading water... > > > > with love, > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"karisprowl" <karisprowl > > > (AT) (DOT) > > > > > _______________ MSN Life Events gives you the tips and tools to handle the turning points in your life. http://lifeevents.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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