Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 4. Sadvidya as interpreted by Ramanuja The text of the Chandogya Upanishad 'sadheva soumya idham agra aaseeth ekameve adhvitheeyam' and its sequel 'thatvamasi' are considered by the advatins to mean that 'sat', Barhman is the only reality and the world of diversity is not real. Ramnuja does not agree with this view and according to him the chandogya text and sadvidya envisaged in it supports only the visishtadvaita concept of Brahman He says that the text ' sadeva idham agra aaseeth, Sat alone existed in the beginning' does not negate the world as unreal because the subsequent text which says,' thadhaikshatha bahusyaam prajaayeya, it willed to become many,' disproves this. The essence osf sadvidya is that by knowing 'sat ' , that is, Brahman, the absolute reality, everything else becomes known. 'ekavijnaanena sarvavijnaanam.' The context of the passage in Chandogya is as follows: The son, Svethakethu retuirns from his gurukula and the father Uddhaalaka Aaruni asks him whether he has learnt everything Svethakethu answers in the affirmative and seeing him conceited at his knowledge the father asks him whether he asked his guru for that teaching by which what is unheard becomes heard, what is unthought becomes thought and what is unknown becomes known, ' yena asrutham srutham bhavathi amatham matham, avijnaatham vijnaatham.' Then the son, knowing not what is meant by the father asked him to teach that by knowing which everything becomes known, ekavijnaanena sarvavijnaanam. Uddhaalaka Aaruni explains that knowledge through three examples Just as all things made of clay are understood by the knowledge of a single clod of clay, just as by knowing a single ingot of gold all that is made of gold would become known, just as by a single nail parer all that is made of iron would become known because all are only modifications of the causal substance, knowing that which is the cause of everything all become known. That is the teaching . Then the father starts imparting the knowledge to the son. 'Sadheva soumya idhamagra aaseeth ekameva adhvitheeyam.' There was only 'sat ' in the beginning, one only, without a second. Sat , Brahman is the cause and idham the world is the effect. By knowing the cause all the effects become known as illustrated by the examples of mud,gold and iron. This is the content of the text.quoted, says Ramanuja.The knowledge of the one leading to the knowledge of the many proclaimed in the sadvidya section of the Upanishad means that the knowledge of 'one,' that is, kaarana Brahman leads to the knowledge of 'many',that is, the kaarya Brahman, both being real. The words 'ekameva' and 'adhvitheeyam denote that Brahman is the material and efficient cause. 5.Brahman as the cause of the world Based on the sadvidya section of the Chandogya, Ramanuja demonstrates the unity of the cause and the effect. ' Sat alone existed' before creation in the sense that this world, differentiated into names and forms, existed as 'one' before creation, devoid of names and forms.Brahman is the material cause as it existed alone without a second. In the creation of a pot , the mud is the material cause and the potter is the efficient cause . But Brahman being omnipotent needed no external aid for creation and there was nothing except Brahman in the beginning. Therefore Brahman is both material and efficient cause of the universe. This is what is meant by 'ekameva adhvitheeyam.' The causal relationship between Brahman and the world is explained by Ramanuja in Sribhashya based upon common experience. The Chandogya text gives illustrations of mud etc. in order to show that the effect is only a modification of the cause 'vaachaarambhanam vikaarah naamadheyam mrthikethyeva satyam' and hence the knowledge of the 'one' which is the cause leads to the knowledge of the modificatons of nama and rupa, the effects. Ramanuja makes this more explicit by another example. The childhood, youth and old age of the same individual, say, Devadatta are only different modifications in the sarira of Devadatta. Similarly the gross manifestations of the world of cit and acit are only the modifications of the sarira of Brahman, the sariri. Thus the cosmological theory of Ramanuja is based on the sarira-sariri relationship between Brahman and the universe. Thios leads to the concept of sarira-sariri bhava of visishtadvaita. 6.sarira-sariri bhava Sarira-sariri bhava is the key concept of Visishtadvaita. The vedanta sastra is known as saarirakasastra which indicates the sarira- sariri sambhandha advocated by Visishtadvaita. Ramanuja defines sarira as a substance which a sentient soul completely supports, aadhara-aadheya bhava, and controls, niyantha-niyaamya bhava for serving its own purpose and which is subordinate to the sentient soul, sesha--seshi bhava.. The world of cit and acit form the sarira of Brahman because they are supported, controlled and used by Brahman. The entry of Brahman into the cit and the acit in order to diversify them into name and form is supported by the sruti 'tadhaikshatha bahusyaam prajaayeya' Hence they exist in an inseparable relation with Brahman similar to the body and soul. Let me explain this. The body has no identity without the soul . So the soul is the supporter, aadhara and the body is the aadheya. Without the soul the body cannot function. Hence the soul is the controller, niyantha. The body exists for the soul and dependent on the soul not vice versa as we imagiine! The last point may not be understood in the worldly sense but in spiritual aspect the soul takes the body to exhaust its karma and as soon as the karma for that particular embodiment is exhausted it leaves that body. So the soul is the seshi and the body is the sesha. Now Brahman being the antaryamin, the real self of all beings, everything other than Brahman form the sarira of Brahman. This concept is the pradhaanaparithanthra, the most important doctrine of Visishtadvaita. The inseparable relation, aprthaksiddhi, between the body and the soul is similar to that of substance and attribute which are inseparable. in the sense that one cannot exist without the other. So Brahman is the prakari and the world is the prakara, mode of Brahman. Hence all words that describe any sentient or insentient being has its connotation only with Brahman., their real and ultimate self. Ramanuja illusrtrates this by saying that the words cow, horse or man denote not their physical body but the sentient soul within their physical form. Since Brahman is the real self of all beings all words connote only Brahman by saamaanaadhikaranya. The concept of aprthaksiddhi emphasises both unity and difference between Brahman and jiva. The universe of finite and imperfect beings and the Brahman , infinite, truth and knowledge, form one organic whole. The entities which exist in relation of aprthaksiddhi with each other are always cognised together as in the statement 'I am a human being.' The unity here is not absolute but visishtaaikya. Sadvidya of the Chandogya is thus interpreted in terms of the sarira- sariri bhava by Ramanuja. Sadvidya states the cause of everything to be Brahman, by knowing which everythig else becomes known and this leads to the satkaaryavada, according to which both the cause and the effect are real.. Sat, Brahman, the only existence willed to become many and created the world of cit and acit, out of itself and entered into them to be their innerself and got differentiated into the world of names and forms. Brahman the case is real its effect the world is also real because it arises from and ensouled by the infinite. Thus the sadvidya section of the Upanishd , the prormissory statement,'ekavijnaanena sarvavijnaanam' and the illustrations of mud , gold etc. therein imply only Brahman to be the cause of the universe. Ramanuja sums up the cosmological and ontological nature of Brahman in the Sribhashya thus: the terms satyam, jnanam, anantham define the svarupa of Brahman as being distinct from everything else and the Brahman has already been shown as the cause of creation, sustenanace and annihilation by the causal statements of the sruti, yatho vaa imaani bhoothaani jaayanthe yene jaathaani jeevanthi yasmin abhisamvisanthi thadvijinjaasava thadbrahma' Then Ramanuja proceeds to define Brahman and to show that Brahman is synonymous with Narayana ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> Oppiliappan/ <*> Oppiliappan <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 This write-up is very helpful in understanding the basics of bhagavad rAmAnuja's interpretation of the brahma sUtra-s. If the author can include the references to the sUtra-s covered, and if possible, references to the upanishad passages, it will be of added value to the write-up. -dAsan kRshNamAcAryan sarojram18 <sarojram18 > wrote: 4. Sadvidya as interpreted by Ramanuja The text of the Chandogya Upanishad 'sadheva soumya idham agra aaseeth ekameve adhvitheeyam' and its sequel 'thatvamasi' are considered by the advatins to mean that 'sat', Barhman is the only reality and the world of diversity is not real. Ramnuja does not agree with this view and according to him the chandogya text and sadvidya envisaged in it supports only the visishtadvaita concept of Brahman He says that the text ' sadeva idham agra aaseeth, Sat alone existed in the beginning' does not negate the world as unreal because the subsequent text which says,' thadhaikshatha bahusyaam prajaayeya, it willed to become many,' disproves this. The essence osf sadvidya is that by knowing 'sat ' , that is, Brahman, the absolute reality, everything else becomes known. 'ekavijnaanena sarvavijnaanam.' The context of the passage in Chandogya is as follows: The son, Svethakethu retuirns from his gurukula and the father Uddhaalaka Aaruni asks him whether he has learnt everything Svethakethu answers in the affirmative and seeing him conceited at his knowledge the father asks him whether he asked his guru for that teaching by which what is unheard becomes heard, what is unthought becomes thought and what is unknown becomes known, ' yena asrutham srutham bhavathi amatham matham, avijnaatham vijnaatham.' Then the son, knowing not what is meant by the father asked him to teach that by knowing which everything becomes known, ekavijnaanena sarvavijnaanam. Uddhaalaka Aaruni explains that knowledge through three examples Just as all things made of clay are understood by the knowledge of a single clod of clay, just as by knowing a single ingot of gold all that is made of gold would become known, just as by a single nail parer all that is made of iron would become known because all are only modifications of the causal substance, knowing that which is the cause of everything all become known. That is the teaching . Then the father starts imparting the knowledge to the son. 'Sadheva soumya idhamagra aaseeth ekameva adhvitheeyam.' There was only 'sat ' in the beginning, one only, without a second. Sat , Brahman is the cause and idham the world is the effect. By knowing the cause all the effects become known as illustrated by the examples of mud,gold and iron. This is the content of the text.quoted, says Ramanuja.The knowledge of the one leading to the knowledge of the many proclaimed in the sadvidya section of the Upanishad means that the knowledge of 'one,' that is, kaarana Brahman leads to the knowledge of 'many',that is, the kaarya Brahman, both being real. The words 'ekameva' and 'adhvitheeyam denote that Brahman is the material and efficient cause. 5.Brahman as the cause of the world Based on the sadvidya section of the Chandogya, Ramanuja demonstrates the unity of the cause and the effect. ' Sat alone existed' before creation in the sense that this world, differentiated into names and forms, existed as 'one' before creation, devoid of names and forms.Brahman is the material cause as it existed alone without a second. In the creation of a pot , the mud is the material cause and the potter is the efficient cause . But Brahman being omnipotent needed no external aid for creation and there was nothing except Brahman in the beginning. Therefore Brahman is both material and efficient cause of the universe. This is what is meant by 'ekameva adhvitheeyam.' The causal relationship between Brahman and the world is explained by Ramanuja in Sribhashya based upon common experience. The Chandogya text gives illustrations of mud etc. in order to show that the effect is only a modification of the cause 'vaachaarambhanam vikaarah naamadheyam mrthikethyeva satyam' and hence the knowledge of the 'one' which is the cause leads to the knowledge of the modificatons of nama and rupa, the effects. Ramanuja makes this more explicit by another example. The childhood, youth and old age of the same individual, say, Devadatta are only different modifications in the sarira of Devadatta. Similarly the gross manifestations of the world of cit and acit are only the modifications of the sarira of Brahman, the sariri. Thus the cosmological theory of Ramanuja is based on the sarira-sariri relationship between Brahman and the universe. Thios leads to the concept of sarira-sariri bhava of visishtadvaita. 6.sarira-sariri bhava Sarira-sariri bhava is the key concept of Visishtadvaita. The vedanta sastra is known as saarirakasastra which indicates the sarira- sariri sambhandha advocated by Visishtadvaita. Ramanuja defines sarira as a substance which a sentient soul completely supports, aadhara-aadheya bhava, and controls, niyantha-niyaamya bhava for serving its own purpose and which is subordinate to the sentient soul, sesha--seshi bhava.. The world of cit and acit form the sarira of Brahman because they are supported, controlled and used by Brahman. The entry of Brahman into the cit and the acit in order to diversify them into name and form is supported by the sruti 'tadhaikshatha bahusyaam prajaayeya' Hence they exist in an inseparable relation with Brahman similar to the body and soul. Let me explain this. The body has no identity without the soul . So the soul is the supporter, aadhara and the body is the aadheya. Without the soul the body cannot function. Hence the soul is the controller, niyantha. The body exists for the soul and dependent on the soul not vice versa as we imagiine! The last point may not be understood in the worldly sense but in spiritual aspect the soul takes the body to exhaust its karma and as soon as the karma for that particular embodiment is exhausted it leaves that body. So the soul is the seshi and the body is the sesha. Now Brahman being the antaryamin, the real self of all beings, everything other than Brahman form the sarira of Brahman. This concept is the pradhaanaparithanthra, the most important doctrine of Visishtadvaita. The inseparable relation, aprthaksiddhi, between the body and the soul is similar to that of substance and attribute which are inseparable. in the sense that one cannot exist without the other. So Brahman is the prakari and the world is the prakara, mode of Brahman. Hence all words that describe any sentient or insentient being has its connotation only with Brahman., their real and ultimate self. Ramanuja illusrtrates this by saying that the words cow, horse or man denote not their physical body but the sentient soul within their physical form. Since Brahman is the real self of all beings all words connote only Brahman by saamaanaadhikaranya. The concept of aprthaksiddhi emphasises both unity and difference between Brahman and jiva. The universe of finite and imperfect beings and the Brahman , infinite, truth and knowledge, form one organic whole. The entities which exist in relation of aprthaksiddhi with each other are always cognised together as in the statement 'I am a human being.' The unity here is not absolute but visishtaaikya. Sadvidya of the Chandogya is thus interpreted in terms of the sarira- sariri bhava by Ramanuja. Sadvidya states the cause of everything to be Brahman, by knowing which everythig else becomes known and this leads to the satkaaryavada, according to which both the cause and the effect are real.. Sat, Brahman, the only existence willed to become many and created the world of cit and acit, out of itself and entered into them to be their innerself and got differentiated into the world of names and forms. Brahman the case is real its effect the world is also real because it arises from and ensouled by the infinite. Thus the sadvidya section of the Upanishd , the prormissory statement,'ekavijnaanena sarvavijnaanam' and the illustrations of mud , gold etc. therein imply only Brahman to be the cause of the universe. Ramanuja sums up the cosmological and ontological nature of Brahman in the Sribhashya thus: the terms satyam, jnanam, anantham define the svarupa of Brahman as being distinct from everything else and the Brahman has already been shown as the cause of creation, sustenanace and annihilation by the causal statements of the sruti, yatho vaa imaani bhoothaani jaayanthe yene jaathaani jeevanthi yasmin abhisamvisanthi thadvijinjaasava thadbrahma' Then Ramanuja proceeds to define Brahman and to show that Brahman is synonymous with Narayana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 I will certainly do that. Thank you. Since this was the introduction to the criticism of Ramanuja and I wanted to finish before his janmadina I did it in a hurry. In my susequent posts I will give reference to the sutras and Upanishads and also give thereference to those already quoted. Saroja Ramanujam Narasimhan Krishnamachari <champakam > wrote: This write-up is very helpful in understanding the basics of bhagavad rAmAnuja's interpretation of the brahma sUtra-s. If the author can include the references to the sUtra-s covered, and if possible, references to the upanishad passages, it will be of added value to the write-up. -dAsan kRshNamAcAryan ------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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