Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 6.sarira-sariri bhava Sarira-sariri bhava is the key concept of Visishtadvaita. The vedanta sastra is known as saarirakasastra which indicates the sarira- sariri sambhandha advocated by Visishtadvaita. Ramanuja defines sarira as a substance which a sentient soul completely supports, aadhara-aadheya bhava, and controls, niyantha-niyaamya bhava for serving its own purpose and which is subordinate to the sentient soul, sesha--seshi bhava.. The world of cit and acit form the sarira of Brahman because they are supported, controlled and used by Brahman. The entry of Brahman into the cit and the acit in order to diversify them into name and form is supported by the sruti 'tadhaikshatha bahusyaam prajaayeya' Hence they exist in an inseparable relation with Brahman similar to the body and soul. Let me explain this. The body has no identity without the soul . So the soul is the supporter, aadhara and the body is the aadheya. Without the soul the body cannot function. Hence the soul is the controller, niyantha. The body exists for the soul and dependent on the soul not vice versa as we imagiine! The last point may not be understood in the worldly sense but in spiritual aspect the soul takes the body to exhaust its karma and as soon as the karma for that particular embodiment is exhausted it leaves that body. So the soul is the seshi and the body is the sesha. Now Brahman being the antaryamin, the real self of all beings, everything other than Brahman form the sarira of Brahman. This concept is the pradhaanaparithanthra, the most important doctrine of Visishtadvaita. The inseparable relation, aprthaksiddhi, between the body and the soul is similar to that of substance and attribute which are inseparable. in the sense that one cannot exist without the other. So Brahman is the prakari and the world is the prakara, mode of Brahman. Hence all words that describe any sentient or insentient being has its connotation only with Brahman., their real and ultimate self. Ramanuja illusrtrates this by saying that the words cow, horse or man denote not their physical body but the sentient soul within their physical form. Since Brahman is the real self of all beings all words connote only Brahman by saamaanaadhikaranya. The concept of aprthaksiddhi emphasises both unity and difference between Brahman and jiva. The universe of finite and imperfect beings and the Brahman , infinite, truth and knowledge, form one organic whole. The entities which exist in relation of aprthaksiddhi with each other are always cognised together as in the statement 'I am a human being.' The unity here is not absolute but visishtaaikya. Sadvidya of the Chandogya is thus interpreted in terms of the sarira- sariri bhava by Ramanuja. Sadvidya states the cause of everything to be Brahman, by knowing which everythig else becomes known and this leads to the satkaaryavada, according to which both the cause and the effect are real.. Sat, Brahman, the only existence willed to become many and created the world of cit and acit, out of itself and entered into them to be their innerself and got differentiated into the world of names and forms. Brahman the case is real its effect the world is also real because it arises from and ensouled by the infinite. Thus the sadvidya section of the Upanishd , the prormissory statement,'ekavijnaanena sarvavijnaanam' and the illustrations of mud , gold etc. therein imply only Brahman to be the cause of the universe. Ramanuja sums up the cosmological and ontological nature of Brahman in the Sribhashya thus: the terms satyam, jnanam, anantham define the svarupa of Brahman as being distinct from everything else and the Brahman has already been shown as the cause of creation, sustenanace and annihilation by the causal statements of the sruti, yatho vaa imaani bhoothaani jaayanthe yene jaathaani jeevanthi yasmin abhisamvisanthi thadvijinjaasava thadbrahma' Then Ramanuja proceeds to define Brahman and to show that Brahman is synonymous with Narayana ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click./lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/XUWolB/TM --~-> <*> Oppiliappan/ <*> Oppiliappan <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Swamin Thank you for the good postings explaining the basic concept of Visishtadvaita as expounded by Emperumanar. I was looking for further postings on Visishtadavaita from Smt Saraja Ramanujam explaining how the ghataka srutis reconcile the bheda and abheda srutis which is held as prime importance for the dwaitha and advaita siddhantas respectively. I find that this is not much attempted. I attempt to interpret these in the context of Sarira sariri bhava of visishtadvaita. I shall take one or two examples only. Abheda sruti Tat tvam asi swetaketo | Sarvam kal idam sarvam | Bheda sruti Bhoktha bhogyam preritharam cha matva|. ksharatmanau ishate deva ekah.|| Nityo nityanam chetanas chetananam | Bhaguno ye vidhatati kaman || These are explained by means of ghataka srutis Yasya atma sariram yasya prithivi sariram| Ye atmani thishtan ye ya atmano antarah sa the atmi antaryami amruthah||at - Brihadaranyaka upanishad. The explanation is that The word that denotes the body ultimately refers to the person who owns the body. As the jivas , Brahma , Rudra ,akasa etc. have their actual meaning in sriman Narayana only. The jivas are the sarira (body)of the Braman suppored, dependent and subservient. This is indicated by the sruti vakya from Brihadarayaka upanishad. Antah pravishta satha jananam sarvatma|| In the maha vakya "tat tvam asi" -Chandokya upanishad.6-8-4 tat denotes Brahman in the causal aspect. tvam represents the jivas , a particular example bring Svetaketu.The jivas are the effected aspect as they form the creation after the maha pralaya. The sentence says that the Brahman in the causal and effected state are one and the same. The whole cosmos is God as He pervades all This is indicated by the maha vakya . Sarvam kal idam sarvam | Chandokya upanishad. There is plurality of jivas and other achits.This is denoted by sarvam in the previous quote. I now deal with the bheda srutis. The plurality is qualified by Brahman. THe plurality is ditinct yet they are Brahman. Bhoktha bhogyam preritharam cha matva|. ksharatmanau ishate deva ekah.|| -svetasvatara upanishad. Bhokta denotes the enjoyer or the "jivas". Bhoghyam denotes what is enjoyed that is" achit" Preritharam is the controller of these two that is the highest self Sriman Narayana. Chetas are infinite and eternal but they are the body of the Bahman. Nityo nityanam chetanas chetananam | Bhaguno ye vidhatati kaman || Svesvatar upanishad I request to be excused for any mistakeas. Correct me if any. Adiyen Ramanujadasan Soundararajan sarojram18 <sarojram18 > wrote: 6.sarira-sariri bhava Sarira-sariri bhava is the key concept of Visishtadvaita. The vedanta sastra is known as saarirakasastra which indicates the sarira- sariri sambhandha advocated by Visishtadvaita. Ramanuja defines sarira as a substance which a sentient soul completely supports, aadhara-aadheya bhava, and controls, niyantha-niyaamya bhava for serving its own purpose and which is subordinate to the sentient soul, sesha--seshi bhava.. The world of cit and acit form the sarira of Brahman because they are supported, controlled and used by Brahman. The entry of Brahman into the cit and the acit in order to diversify them into name and form is supported by the sruti 'tadhaikshatha bahusyaam prajaayeya' Hence they exist in an inseparable relation with Brahman similar to the body and soul. Let me explain this. The body has no identity without the soul . So the soul is the supporter, aadhara and the body is the aadheya. Without the soul the body cannot function. Hence the soul is the controller, niyantha. The body exists for the soul and dependent on the soul not vice versa as we imagiine! The last point may not be understood in the worldly sense but in spiritual aspect the soul takes the body to exhaust its karma and as soon as the karma for that particular embodiment is exhausted it leaves that body. So the soul is the seshi and the body is the sesha. Now Brahman being the antaryamin, the real self of all beings, everything other than Brahman form the sarira of Brahman. This concept is the pradhaanaparithanthra, the most important doctrine of Visishtadvaita. The inseparable relation, aprthaksiddhi, between the body and the soul is similar to that of substance and attribute which are inseparable. in the sense that one cannot exist without the other. So Brahman is the prakari and the world is the prakara, mode of Brahman. Hence all words that describe any sentient or insentient being has its connotation only with Brahman., their real and ultimate self. Ramanuja illusrtrates this by saying that the words cow, horse or man denote not their physical body but the sentient soul within their physical form. Since Brahman is the real self of all beings all words connote only Brahman by saamaanaadhikaranya. The concept of aprthaksiddhi emphasises both unity and difference between Brahman and jiva. The universe of finite and imperfect beings and the Brahman , infinite, truth and knowledge, form one organic whole. The entities which exist in relation of aprthaksiddhi with each other are always cognised together as in the statement 'I am a human being.' The unity here is not absolute but visishtaaikya. Sadvidya of the Chandogya is thus interpreted in terms of the sarira- sariri bhava by Ramanuja. Sadvidya states the cause of everything to be Brahman, by knowing which everythig else becomes known and this leads to the satkaaryavada, according to which both the cause and the effect are real.. Sat, Brahman, the only existence willed to become many and created the world of cit and acit, out of itself and entered into them to be their innerself and got differentiated into the world of names and forms. Brahman the case is real its effect the world is also real because it arises from and ensouled by the infinite. Thus the sadvidya section of the Upanishd , the prormissory statement,'ekavijnaanena sarvavijnaanam' and the illustrations of mud , gold etc. therein imply only Brahman to be the cause of the universe. Ramanuja sums up the cosmological and ontological nature of Brahman in the Sribhashya thus: the terms satyam, jnanam, anantham define the svarupa of Brahman as being distinct from everything else and the Brahman has already been shown as the cause of creation, sustenanace and annihilation by the causal statements of the sruti, yatho vaa imaani bhoothaani jaayanthe yene jaathaani jeevanthi yasmin abhisamvisanthi thadvijinjaasava thadbrahma' Then Ramanuja proceeds to define Brahman and to show that Brahman is synonymous with Narayana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Dear Sri Ramaswamy : Srimathy (Dr.) Saroja Ramanujam has been invited to contribute to the creation of an e-book on Srti BhAshyam and she has kindly agreed to put together such an e-book. We are thankful to her for that kaimkaryam. V.Sadagopan - "rajan s" <rajan_ramaswamy > <Oppiliappan> Saturday, June 03, 2006 10:07 AM Re: Philosophy of Ramanuja-Sarira- sariri bhava > Dear Swamin > > Thank you for the good postings explaining the basic concept of > Visishtadvaita as expounded by Emperumanar. > I was looking for further postings on Visishtadavaita from Smt Saraja > Ramanujam explaining how the ghataka srutis reconcile the bheda and abheda > srutis which is held as prime importance for the dwaitha and advaita > siddhantas respectively. > > I find that this is not much attempted. > > I attempt to interpret these in the context of Sarira sariri bhava of > visishtadvaita. > I shall take one or two examples only. > > Abheda sruti > > Tat tvam asi swetaketo | > > Sarvam kal idam sarvam | > > Bheda sruti > > Bhoktha bhogyam preritharam cha matva|. > ksharatmanau ishate deva ekah.|| > > Nityo nityanam chetanas chetananam | > Bhaguno ye vidhatati kaman || > > These are explained by means of ghataka srutis > > Yasya atma sariram yasya prithivi sariram| > > Ye atmani thishtan ye ya atmano antarah sa the atmi antaryami > amruthah||at > - Brihadaranyaka > upanishad. > > The explanation is that > > The word that denotes the body ultimately refers to the person who owns > the body. > As the jivas , Brahma , Rudra ,akasa etc. have their actual meaning in > sriman Narayana only. > > The jivas are the sarira (body)of the Braman suppored, dependent and > subservient. > This is indicated by the sruti vakya from Brihadarayaka upanishad. > > Antah pravishta satha jananam sarvatma|| > > In the maha vakya "tat tvam asi" > -Chandokya upanishad.6-8-4 > tat denotes Brahman in the causal aspect. > tvam represents the jivas , a particular example bring Svetaketu.The > jivas are the effected aspect as they form the creation after the maha > pralaya. > The sentence says that the Brahman in the causal and effected state are > one and the same. > > The whole cosmos is God as He pervades all This is indicated by the maha > vakya > . > Sarvam kal idam sarvam | > Chandokya upanishad. > > > There is plurality of jivas and other achits.This is denoted by sarvam > in the previous quote. > > I now deal with the bheda srutis. > > The plurality is qualified by Brahman. > THe plurality is ditinct yet they are Brahman. > > Bhoktha bhogyam preritharam cha matva|. > ksharatmanau ishate deva ekah.|| > -svetasvatara upanishad. > > > Bhokta denotes the enjoyer or the "jivas". > Bhoghyam denotes what is enjoyed that is" achit" > Preritharam is the controller of these two that is the highest self > Sriman Narayana. > > Chetas are infinite and eternal but they are the body of the Bahman. > > Nityo nityanam chetanas chetananam | > Bhaguno ye vidhatati kaman || > Svesvatar upanishad > > > I request to be excused for any mistakeas. Correct me if any. > > Adiyen Ramanujadasan > Soundararajan > > > sarojram18 <sarojram18 > wrote: > > > 6.sarira-sariri bhava > > > Sarira-sariri bhava is the key concept of Visishtadvaita. The > vedanta sastra is known as saarirakasastra which indicates the sarira- > sariri sambhandha advocated by Visishtadvaita. Ramanuja defines > sarira as a substance which a sentient soul completely supports, > aadhara-aadheya bhava, and controls, niyantha-niyaamya bhava for > serving its own purpose and which is subordinate to the sentient > soul, sesha--seshi bhava.. > > The world of cit and acit form the sarira of Brahman because > they are supported, controlled and used by Brahman. The entry of > Brahman into the cit and the acit in order to diversify them into > name and form is supported by the sruti 'tadhaikshatha bahusyaam > prajaayeya' Hence they exist in an inseparable relation with Brahman > similar to the body and soul. > > Let me explain this. The body has no identity without the > soul . So the soul is the supporter, aadhara and the body is the > aadheya. Without the soul the body cannot function. Hence the soul is > the controller, niyantha. The body exists for the soul and dependent > on the soul not vice versa as we imagiine! The last point may not be > understood in the worldly sense but in spiritual aspect the soul > takes the body to exhaust its karma and as soon as the karma for that > particular embodiment is exhausted it leaves that body. So the soul > is the seshi and the body is the sesha. > > Now Brahman being the antaryamin, the real self of all > beings, everything other than Brahman form the sarira of Brahman. > This concept is the pradhaanaparithanthra, the most important > doctrine of Visishtadvaita. The inseparable relation, aprthaksiddhi, > between the body and the soul is similar to that of substance and > attribute which are inseparable. in the sense that one cannot exist > without the other. So Brahman is the prakari and the world is the > prakara, mode of Brahman. Hence all words that describe any sentient > or insentient being has its connotation only with Brahman., their > real and ultimate self. > > Ramanuja illusrtrates this by saying that the words cow, > horse or man denote not their physical body but the sentient soul > within their physical form. Since Brahman is the real self of all > beings all words connote only Brahman by saamaanaadhikaranya. > > The concept of aprthaksiddhi emphasises both unity and > difference between Brahman and jiva. The universe of finite and > imperfect beings and the Brahman , infinite, truth and knowledge, > form one organic whole. The entities which exist in relation of > aprthaksiddhi with each other are always cognised together as in the > statement 'I am a human being.' The unity here is not absolute but > visishtaaikya. > > Sadvidya of the Chandogya is thus interpreted in terms of > the sarira- sariri bhava by Ramanuja. Sadvidya states the cause of > everything to be Brahman, by knowing which everythig else becomes > known and this leads to the satkaaryavada, according to which both > the cause and the effect are real.. Sat, Brahman, the only existence > willed to become many and created the world of cit and acit, out of > itself and entered into them to be their innerself and got > differentiated into the world of names and forms. Brahman the case is > real its effect the world is also real because it arises from and > ensouled by the infinite. Thus the sadvidya section of the Upanishd , > the prormissory statement,'ekavijnaanena sarvavijnaanam' and the > illustrations of mud , gold etc. therein imply only Brahman to be > the cause of the universe. > > Ramanuja sums up the cosmological and ontological nature of > Brahman in the Sribhashya thus: the terms satyam, jnanam, anantham > define the svarupa of Brahman as being distinct from everything else > and the Brahman has already been shown as the cause of creation, > sustenanace and annihilation by the causal statements of the sruti, > yatho vaa imaani bhoothaani jaayanthe yene jaathaani jeevanthi yasmin > abhisamvisanthi thadvijinjaasava thadbrahma' Then Ramanuja proceeds > to define Brahman and to show that Brahman is synonymous with Narayana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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