are my posts being put on moderation?

[Guest guest]

  And I ask the question of why are not all my posts reaching the

group. Yoy know this speaks out loudly against Hindus, as you

represent Hindus. This tells me "Hindus are unjust people", just like

many Muslims think of you. Is that the image of Hinduism you want to

be carried forwards to the world?

  I am really sad that I cannot write to the group. Whoever shoved me

aside, would be man enough to come out and say "it was me" and explain

the reason why? This may be done in private at fsgss (AT) hotmail (DOT) com or

fredericosg .

  This really speaks out against this list.

  You can take me away, but you can´t take justice and truth away from

yourselves. This bad karma will certainly come back to the doers.

  I pray for your clarity of mind.

  Best regards,

  Frederico

[Guest guest]

mr. "atmadarshanam", hari OM,

 

   first of all, please solve whatever issues you have with the moderator on a one to one basis.

and please don't bring up the issue of he being "unjust" because he is a "hindu"(i don't even know

who the moderator is). Even granting that you have a point, tell me what right you have to sully

the name of all hindus? assuming that you are a christian, should i judge you based on the

inquisitions? or the actions of George W. Bush?

 

   if you don't identify yourself as a hindu, why are you at all here? advaita is a hindu "mata"

no matter how hoarse people cry about it being "above religions". only in the hindu land do

diversity of thoughts not only find their place, but get all the love and respect they deserve.

had this land been over-run by christians or muslims, there wouldn't have been any advaita,

dvaita, vishiShTaadvaita, vaiShNava, shaiva, shaakta, etc. etc. etc. so, at least feel grateful to

the hindu land and its people for having preserved this great system of thought for people like

you.

 

   and hindus need not care what muslims think of them. what do the muslims think of us? can you

please elaborate? hindus do not need any certificate from people of any other religion. we have

shown all of them more than the respect that they deserve (alas!! some would say).

 

   personal grouses should not get projected on to the religious/ideological plane. it projects

you in a childish light.

 

   pray, if you don't think of yourself as a hindu (because you have called the moderator and the

group members as hindu), why did you raise the issue of karma at all? As far as i know, none of

the semitic religions talk about it. rather you should have thought that jesus has absolved the

moderator of all sins (o! sorry, the moderator is not baptised, i understand, i understand. so you

have to feel smug that the moderator is going to rot in eternal hell, no matter what his actions

are.)

 

svasti,

              JAYA BHAARATII,

                                    shrivathsa.

 

--- atmadarshanam <fsgss (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

  And I ask the question of why are not all my posts reaching the

group. Yoy know this speaks out loudly against Hindus, as you

represent Hindus. This tells me "Hindus are unjust people", just like

many Muslims think of you. Is that the image of Hinduism you want to

be carried forwards to the world?

  I am really sad that I cannot write to the group. Whoever shoved me

aside, would be man enough to come out and say "it was me" and explain

the reason why? This may be done in private at fsgss (AT) hotmail (DOT) com or

fredericosg .

  This really speaks out against this list.

  You can take me away, but you can�t take justice and truth away from

yourselves. This bad karma will certainly come back to the doers.

  I pray for your clarity of mind.

  Best regards,

  Frederico

[Guest guest]

  Hari OM,

  Namaste Shrivathsa,

 

   First I think you do have a point there. I certainly would better

solve my issue with the moderator(s) on a one on one basis as you

said if I knew how to do so (an e-mail address could have been put

to me by any of the moderators saying "write to this address and

we´ll discuss the issue") but instead it seems I was ignored.

   Then onto the Hindu question... I really respect all Hindus and,

of all the world religions, Hinduism is the one that I find the best

one, and yes I know that Hindus have always been tolerant towards

other religions (something which other religions have not often paid

them back with). So my admiration for Hinduism is great; I only do

not consider myself as a Hindu because I was not born in a Hindu

family. I was born in a Catholic Christian family and have been

raised until 14 years old as a Catholic, then I decided to leave

Catholicism and began my spiritual search in other philosophical

systems, then around 2001 I found Advaita Vedanta through my older

brother handing me a booklet called ´spiritual instruction´  by

Ramana Maharshi. On the first reading I was both impressed and

delighted.

   Then I went on to study more about Yoga´s, chakra´s, etc, and

found that there was really a science beyond Hinduism (or inside

Hinduism), a science so precise and exact that it surpasses today´s

science in many aspects. One may call this Brahmavidya, or whatever,

but I have come across more and more of this science and I have

always put it to test and it always confirms what this science says.

This science is scattered in the Gita, the Upanishads, mainly, and

in commentaries about these two, and also in the Jyotish or

Astrological science of Hinduism. I am bewildered that so much

knowledge was put together to form this consistent whole. But I do

not consider myself as a Hindu because my Guru was a Buddhist (now

he says he has abandoned all religions and recommended me reading

and studying Advaita), so I was initiated formally into Buddhism in

1999, and had several Tantric empowerments. So it would be

inaccurate if I said I am a Hindu when I have been practicing

Buddhism for the last 7 years, although I have read a lot on

Hinduism and I highly admire the Hindu religion.

   I really should not have put the moderators as representing

Hinduism. I apologize for that.

   The thing about "hindus being unjust persons", was something I

heard from a muslim friend of mine (here in Brazil we have all types

of religions and ethnies living together in peace), when I told him

I was studying the Hindu science and told him his Manipura Cakra was

unbalanced he frowned and said: 'i don´t believe in such things...

you should take care with Hindus, many of them are unjust people".

So this was in my mind but I really have no experience as to Hindus

being unjust (because I live in a place where there are jews,

christians, muslims, buddhists, taoists and atheists of all

nationalities but there are almost no Hindus in Brazil), so I have

no experience with Hindus to say that.

   So this speaks for itself. I hope my apologies are accepted.

   Also answering your question: some religions believe in Karma

which are not Hindu. For example Buddhism, Spiritism (a confused mix

of Christianity and rebirth belief developed by Allan Kardec in

France some two centuries ago) and also the african-brazilian

religion called Umbanda (I can write more about this very

interesting religion if you or anyone else wishes in private), which

is practised by many people in Brazil, they also believe in

reincarnation. So I don´t have to be a Hindu to believe in

reincarnation.

   I hope my apologies are accepted.

   Namaste,

   Fred

[Guest guest]

namaskaram to Shri Frederico and all others who participate in the discussions - in here-

  

  This site has been one of the best i have come across , not because I am " a Hindu"  but it is so educative  and so sweetly communicating site .

  

  Quite often in our quest to know more, learn more, we loose our patience...

  as very often sw Paramarthanandaji used to tell us - one fellow was praying to the LORD..." oh Lord...please help me to have patience...please..please...immediately...right now.!!!

  

  fundamentally we forget that we are all humanbeings...

  we  MAY BE  POORNA...  poorna  is our nature..

  but then that is what we are trying to uncover or discover...that is the learning process that is taking place - in here  and in other places where we discuss-

  

  if I know the spelling of Vedanta..it means  i know only the spelling and that is all...if that make me think i know Vedanta..that is my ignorance...and if that makes u think that - ' i think i know vedanta..or i act as if i know vedanta..- then that is your ignorance- your projection..

  

  we all need to come out of this and let this site help us all in that.

  

  While shri Frederico is free to express his views, from our own educational point of view- from our own growing to maturity point of view- it is better to hold the thoughts for a moment before expressing them...such thoughts which seems to be projections of ignorance - as  ( stated in GITA also ) the thoughts are not under our control..but sustaining them and putting them into action is up to our FREE WILL...and once the free will is used  it becomes a KARMA

  If i have a differing view, i all free to express it sweetly, firmly and nicely...but for our own benefit and giving a benefit of doubt to others ( since we are not very sure  about the reasons ) ...it could be expressed nicely..

  

  A  HINDU  by birth is only a Hindu by birth...but what is necessarry for all of us- be belonging to Islam or Christianity or Buddhism or any so called religion...to educate ourselves...as  finally  only knowledge is the thing that is going to help us...

  

  finally, i would like to ask all our friends in here, if they have had the opportunity to read the transcription of the " so called " discussions on Hinduism and Islam between Sri Sri Ravi Shankar ji and Dr Zakir... Dr Zakir was quoting so many things from puranas and vedas....it will be interesting to have a discussion on this too....

  ( we reasonably know that Dr Zakir  has not understood the Vedanta or may be misunderstood it....not from Dr Zakir's point of view, from our own growth and learning, it will be good for us to read his quotes and see how it is misinterpretted...)

  

  ADVAITA IS FOR EVERY ONE... and  that is the beauty of this site..

  

  let  us not create a smoke screen in our mind and intellect and cover ourselves..

  let us discover and uncover...THE  IGNORANCE..

  

  pranam to all

  pairam

 

 

therothmaDom shrivathsa brahma <shrisamvada (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

  mr. "atmadarshanam", hari OM,

 

   first of all, please solve whatever issues you have with the moderator on a one to one basis.

and please don't bring up the issue of he being "unjust" because he is a "hindu"(i don't even know

who the moderator is). Even granting that you have a point, tell me what right you have to sully

the name of all hindus? assuming that you are a christian, should i judge you based on the

inquisitions? or the actions of George W. Bush?

 

   if you don't identify yourself as a hindu, why are you at all here? advaita is a hindu "mata"

no matter how hoarse people cry about it being "above religions". only in the hindu land do

diversity of thoughts not only find their place, but get all the love and respect they deserve.

had this land been over-run by christians or muslims, there wouldn't have been any advaita,

dvaita, vishiShTaadvaita, vaiShNava, shaiva, shaakta, etc. etc. etc. so, at least feel grateful to

the hindu land and its people for having preserved this great system of thought for people like

you.

 

   and hindus need not care what muslims think of them. what do the muslims think of us? can you

please elaborate? hindus do not need any certificate from people of any other religion. we have

shown all of them more than the respect that they deserve (alas!! some would say).

 

   personal grouses should not get projected on to the religious/ideological plane. it projects

you in a childish light.

 

   pray, if you don't think of yourself as a hindu (because you have called the moderator and the

group members as hindu), why did you raise the issue of karma at all? As far as i know, none of

the semitic religions talk about it. rather you should have thought that jesus has absolved the

moderator of all sins (o! sorry, the moderator is not baptised, i understand, i understand. so you

have to feel smug that the moderator is going to rot in eternal hell, no matter what his actions

are.)

 

svasti,

              JAYA BHAARATII,

                                    shrivathsa.

 

--- atmadarshanam <fsgss (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

  And I ask the question of why are not all my posts reaching the

group. Yoy know this speaks out loudly against Hindus, as you

represent Hindus. This tells me "Hindus are unjust people", just like

many Muslims think of you. Is that the image of Hinduism you want to

be carried forwards to the world?

  I am really sad that I cannot write to the group. Whoever shoved me

aside, would be man enough to come out and say "it was me" and explain

the reason why? This may be done in private at fsgss (AT) hotmail (DOT) com or

fredericosg .

  This really speaks out against this list.

  You can take me away, but you can�t take justice and truth away from

yourselves. This bad karma will certainly come back to the doers.

  I pray for your clarity of mind.

  Best regards,

  Frederico

[Guest guest]

PraNAms to everybody.

 

The advaitin list serve policies are clearly stated and posted.  The

list serve is primarily catered on the discussions on Advaita Vedanta as

expounded by Bhagavad pAda Shankara. Various other lists serves provide

forums for discussions on the other topics. Those topics may be

important but not relevant to the scope of this list.  Moderators make

that judgment call, and generally inform the poster if the post were out

of the limits.

 

For the new members, the posts are moderated to insure that they follow

clearly the guidelines stated.

 

For others, the moderators come in if they find a clear violation of the

policies stated above that include abusive language on any system of

philosophy or derogatory remarks of other discussers.

 

Please rest assured that moderators do not randomly moderate. 

 

It is important to recognize that for any posters they do not hold some

posts and release some unless they find irrelevant or some abusive

language in those particular posts.

 

Moderators are quite sensitive to the posters.  They would communicate

to the posters if there were some thing wrong in terms of language or

contents of the post.

 

If there are many new members that are being moderated, then it would

take time for the chief moderator to release the posts.  In that case

Patience is definitely a virtue.

 

Before one goes to the list and complains that some posts are appearing

and others or not, I suggest the posters to make sure that there are no

other server related problems. It is clear that if the post that

complains went to the public but not the others, there is some problem

with those posts; either they did not reach the list serve or some other

problems in terms of the contents. 

 

Finally, I suggest one should communicate with moderators directly

before one goes to the public.  For one clear reason, the other posters

are not going to provide the solution to the problem.

 

Please recognize that this is a moderated group and policies are clearly

stated.  Membership involves acceptance of these policies.

 

So far, we have very good record and the list serve is doing its best in

helping us all learn from each other.  Moderators are committed to

preserving that high standard.

   

 

Hari OM!

Sadananda

[Guest guest]

Note from the List Moderator: As for the list, this matter is closed and Sri Fred's explanation is quite satisfactory. He has rightly pointed out, Atman (atmadharshnam) is unaffected even when the body/mind/intellect is troubled!

 

  Namaste Moderators,

   Thank you very much for this reply. I really did a bad thing and

already apologized for having involved moderators and further put

Hindus in this context. My mind was a bit troubled when I wrote that e-

mail. I think the apology has already been stated by me and there is

no further problem. I thank you all for clearing my doubts and hope my

apologies are accepted.

   PraNams,

   fred

[Guest guest]

advaitin, "atmadarshanam" <fsgss> wrote:

>

> Note from the List Moderator: As for the list, this matter is closed

and Sri Fred's explanation is quite satisfactory. He has rightly

pointed out, Atman (atmadharshnam) is unaffected even when the

body/mind/intellect is troubled!

>

>   Namaste Moderators and group members,

 

   I would like to take the opportunity to remind members that I did

not at any time claim to have attained perception of Atman or Self-

Realization, neither on this list nor in any other forum, nor in my

daily life.

   Much to the contrary, I am a being still veiled by Avidya who wants

permanent awareness and is striving towards this goal. The state made

by the moderators that Atman is unaffected even when the

body/mind/intellect is troubled should not be interpreted as me (fred,

nickname atmadarshanam) not being affected when these are troubled.

The moderators only played with words. So I take this opportunity to

call everyone´s attention to the fact that I am not Self-Realized and

ththerefore things still affect me. Some moderator or member may have

inferred wrongly that I claimed to be Self-Realized, which I did not,

at any time, do.

   Best regards,

   Fred

[Guest guest]

namaskaram to shri Fredji and moderators..

  

  I am sure moderators are having a testing time..to satisfy most of the members or participants, they publish almost everything...including my this note and shri Fredji's last one...where in he states that he has not claimed " self realisation".

  Honestly one fails to understand the need of such a posting or mail at all...

  

  This is a site for learning...

  and if one has gained something and he/she wish to explain it for the benefit of others - so that it may help them in their learning process- he/she is free to explain.

  but certifications like this seems unwarranted and we need to avoid such writings - else, we will be reading many more mails which contain nothing - and have more mails -posting on ADVAITA - for and against  or discussions on subject of our study.

  i know moderators cannot easily control that...so it becomes our - participants responsibility to avoid such mails or postings.

  

  thanks and namakaram to all

pairam

atmadarshanam <fsgss (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

  advaitin, "atmadarshanam" <fsgss> wrote:

>

> Note from the List Moderator: As for the list, this matter is closed

and Sri Fred's explanation is quite satisfactory. He has rightly

pointed out, Atman (atmadharshnam) is unaffected even when the

body/mind/intellect is troubled!

>

>   Namaste Moderators and group members,

 

   I would like to take the opportunity to remind members that I did

not at any time claim to have attained perception of Atman or Self-

Realization, neither on this list nor in any other forum, nor in my

daily life.

   Much to the contrary, I am a being still veiled by Avidya who wants

permanent awareness and is striving towards this goal. The state made

by the moderators that Atman is unaffected even when the

body/mind/intellect is troubled should not be interpreted as me (fred,

nickname atmadarshanam) not being affected when these are troubled.

The moderators only played with words. So I take this opportunity to

call everyone´s attention to the fact that I am not Self-Realized and

ththerefore things still affect me. Some moderator or member may have

inferred wrongly that I claimed to be Self-Realized, which I did not,

at any time, do.

   Best regards,

   Fred

[Guest guest]

The moderators of this list represent and exemplify what is best and most noble in Hinduism and in humanity.

 

Encouragement of learning, providing of resources, reflecting on the eternal teachings, and meditation on the nature of the Self. All of this done with acceptance of others, with compassion, forgiveness, and humility.

 

We bow to the great souls that make all this available for us through the generosity of their nature.

 

Love to all

Harsha

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Ramachandran

  I have seen your reply.  I agree for your reasonable involvement and filtering the messages to match the correct concept of this group.  It is nice, but sometimes we may feel that we are not taken into confidence, still you have your limitations and we appreciate.  Affly HARA HARA MAHADEVA DR P V SESHA SAI ASWAMEDHAYAAJI

 

Ram Chandran <ramvchandran > wrote:

  Namaste:

 

As one of the moderators, I agree with your observation that indeed

that moderators always have a no-win situation. Honestly when this

[Guest guest]

Namaskaram to all friends in here,

 

Dr Perisepalli Venkata Sesha Sai <aswamedhayaagam (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:    Dear Mr Ramachandran

  I have seen your reply.  I agree for your reasonable involvement and filtering the messages to match the correct concept of this group.  It is nice, but sometimes we may feel that we are not taken into confidence,

  

  it is very true that "some times  we may feel"

  

  that is the learning that is going on in here..

  

  thoughts are generated and one has no control on the generation of thoughts...

  but

  one has the free will to ignore them

  

  that is exactly we are trying to understand, try to practise...

  

  when some one is in front of us, we may fail in controlling the thoughts and may react...

  but atleast in here, when we read a msg or when we dont see our msg posted, after all we have time to react...we have time to think and then react!!!!!!!!!!

  

  let this be our stage to practise that too...

  

  with affectionate pranam to every one

  

  pairam

 

ps...i tried to make the abv msg in normal print like this...but every time i clk on B, it is becoming more bold..

  

  sorry abt that and my ignorance on computer...

 

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