Islam/shrivathsa

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advaitin, therothmaDom shrivathsa brahma

<shrisamvada> wrote:

 

 

>    and as far as your experience with a muslim goes, this is because

yoga, etc. are condemned by

> the quran as the practice of the "kafirs". that is the reason hard

core muslims detest it.

 

eric: Two very bold assumptions here:

- That the Koran mentions yoga or Hindus (even indirectly)

- That there are people who call themselves hardcore Muslims and they

would as a community "detest" Hindus;

.... as most Muslims have no concern or controversy with Hindus.

This added to your opinion that "only those who identify themselves as

Hindu" can come here ...

Are we not missing a practice of mindfulness here?

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advaitin, "Eric Paroissien"

<ericparoissien> wrote:

>

> advaitin, therothmaDom shrivathsa brahma

> <shrisamvada@> wrote:

>

>

> >    and as far as your experience with a muslim goes, this is

because

> yoga, etc. are condemned by

> > the quran as the practice of the "kafirs". that is the reason

hard

> core muslims detest it.

>

> eric: Two very bold assumptions here:

> - That the Koran mentions yoga or Hindus (even indirectly)

> - That there are people who call themselves hardcore Muslims and

they

> would as a community "detest" Hindus;

> ... as most Muslims have no concern or controversy with Hindus.

> This added to your opinion that "only those who identify

themselves as

> Hindu" can come here ...

> Are we not missing a practice of mindfulness here?

>

Namaste,

 

It is my understanding that fumdamentalist or main stream Muslims do

not think a lot of Sufism. Mind you Christianity doesn't give much

play to their mystics either, for the same reason. All Mystics are

the same. Al Mansour was killed and many Christians were burnt at

the stake. Even in the Middle-East many of the so called early

Christians and Essenes were absorbed into Islam, for as mystics they

didn't follow dogma anyway.

 

However Mahomet was a mystic himself..............ONS...Tony

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Hari OM!

 

Dear All,

 

Na Hindu, Na Muslim, Na Christian, Na Sikh, Na European, Na American, Na

White, Na Black, Na Schedule Caste, Na Schedule tribe, Na Brahmin, Na Vysya,

Na Sudra,

 

Chidananda rupaha Shivoham, Shivoham,

 

Chidananda rupaha Shivoham, Shivoham.

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

Krishna Prasad

 

Dare to give up the comfort of the 'known' and venture into the 'unknown'

if we want to achieve our true potential and live life to the fullest.

 

As Poojya Gurudev said it,

 

"Open your eyes. Burst your shell.

Spread your wings and fly!"

 

Swami Chinmayananda

 

Hate not the sinner - hate the sin; and always hate the sin even with an

excess of hatred."

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""""However Mahomet was a mystic himself..............ONS...Tony"""""

 

 

I am surprised that on a advaitic forum a term of contempt coined by

Chrsitists to deride Vedic sages & saints is being used. But anyway

let us stick to it and examine your above statement. Probably true

as far as mahomet was concerned  but a bit different kind as

explained by Sri Sita Ram Goel & Sri Ram Swarup.

 

I quote them  verbatim

 

"Traditional commentators on Yoga had concentrated on the yogic or

ekAgra samAdhi and neglected treatment of non-yogic samAdhis. It

was, however, the non-yogic samAdhis which held the key to an

understanding of the psychic phenomena which do not have their

source in the yogic samAdhi.

 

Considering that the two kinds of samAdhis are not unoften confused

with each other, it would have served the cause of clarity if both

were discussed and their differences pointed out. After all, the

Gita does it; in its last two chapters, it discusses various

spiritual truths like austerity, faith, duty, knowledge in their

triple expression and sharply distinguishes their sAttvika from

their rAjasika and tAmasika imitations.

 

The elucidation of non-yogic samAdhis or ecstasies has also its

positive value and peculiar concern. It could help to explain quasi-

religious phenomena which, sadly, have been only too numerous and

too important in the spiritual history of man. Many creeds seemingly

religious sail under false labels and spread confusion. As products

of a fitful mind, they could `not but make only a temporary

impression and their life could not but be brief. But as projections

of a mind in some kind of samAdhi, they acquire unusual intensity, a

strength of conviction and tenacity of purpose (mUDhagraha) which

they could not otherwise have.

 

…We may say that even the lower bhUmis (kAma-bhUmis) have their

characteristic trances or samAdhis, their own Revelations, Prophets

and Deities. They project ego-gods and desire-gods and give birth to

dvesha-dharmas and moha-dharmas, hate religions and delusive

ideologies. All these projections have qualities very different from

the qualities of the projections of the yogic bhUmi.

 

For example, the God of the yoga-bhUmi of PAtaNjala Yoga is free,

actually and potentially, from all limiting qualities like desire,

aversion, hankering, ego and nescience; free from all actions, their

consequences, present or future, active or latent. Or in the

language of PAtaNjala Yoga, he is untouched by klesha-karma-vipAka-

Ashaya.. But the god of the ecstasies of non-yogic bhUmi or kAma-

bhUmi is very different.He has strong likes and dislikes and has

cruel preferences. He has his favorite people, churches and ummas

and his implacable enemies. He is also very egoistic and self-

regarding; he can brook no other god or gods. He insists that all

gods other than himself are false and should not be worshipped. He is

a `jealous god', as he describes himself in the Bible. And he `whose

name is jealous' is also full of `fierce anger' (aph) and cruelty.

He commands his chosen people that when he has brought them to the

promised land and delivered its people into their hands, `thou

shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no

covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them… ye shall destroy their

altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves… For

thou art an holy people unto the Lord…' (Deut. 7. I-6).

 

The Allah of the Quran exhibits about the same qualities. He is a

god of wrath (ghazb); on those who do not believe in him and his

prophets, he wreaks a terrible punishment (azAb al-azeem). In the

same vein, he is also a mighty avenger (azeez-ul-intiqAm). He is

also a god of `plenteous spoils' (mUghanim kasIr,4.94). He tells

the -believers how he repulsed their opponents and caused them to

inherit the land, the houses and the wealth of the disbelievers

(33.27). He closely follows the spirit of Jehovah who promised his

chosen people that he would give them `great and goodly cities they

builded not, and wells which they digged not, vineyards and olive

trees they planted not' (Deut. 6.10-11)."

 

 

http://www.voi.org/books/hhce/Ch18.htm