Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Hari Om ~~~~~~~~ Namaste Manuel _______________________ Manuel wrote: Still, I have lived in the "non dual existence" (to put it in words), and one of the most shocking memories I have is that "THAT" is there all the time. _____________________________ Thank you for your post, it is good to hear from someone possessed of SELF. Is your experience all the time? 7x24x365? Was this a 'dawning' for you, or ahve you been blessed to be in SELF all of your life? I ask this for you have written 'lived' in past tense, vs. present condtion. DO you care to describe your experices? pranams, yajvan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Namaste Manuel, Yajvan and everyone, Very interesting to read your experience Manuel. This reminds me of when I was doing what we (me and friends) called "vamachara tantric" practices to reach non-dual state of consciousness with the use of mantra´s, concentration and intoxicants such as LSD and MDMA. I stopped doing these practices for 1 year and 1 month now, both because my Guru was always against it, and also because what he said could happen to me did happen: a had what one can call a "psychotic" episode. Suddenly the world existed only because of me, I heard people talking about me, etc. I came back to normal resorting to Bhakti and slept, then when I woke up I was normal again. This was in March 2005. But before that (as soon as July 1999, beggining of the tantric practice using these drugs) I had many interesting experiences. Coincidentally I met my Guru in September 1999 just months after my first big experience (which was an LSD experiment conducted by me and a friend in the mountains) where I saw cristal-clearly that UNCONSCIOUSNESS is INCLUDED IN CONSCIOUSNESS. What we call Unconsciousness and fear is in fact another mode of Consciousness, this was what I saw, and I wept in joy after that, still there was a terrible feeling of "having to come back" to normal consciousness, I think it was compassion. Then I got into a depression because I knew that it was all a trickery, still I wanted to live the trickery. I only understood that I really did not want to be liberated as they say about one year ago. Then I understood that the dual-mode (as opposed to non-dual mode) of being is much more pleasurable. I identified myself laughingly with the character that wants to come back and betrays Morpheus in the film "Matrix". It is just the case with me. I only began losing the fear of being in non-dual mode some months ago, due to 1-my stopping consumption of any drug, including alcohol, completely, which restored my sense of solidity of the world and 2- by my Guru telling me that the process had to be gradual in my case... that I was "beyond the point of no-return" and could not come all the way back but, because of my ego, the process would take many years and perhaps more than this life to be smoothly finalized, just like a fire made of wood is slowly blazed and finally even the brases become cool. If the process is too rapid, my Guru said, there is a sensation of loss, which is not what happens, but the mind interprets it as a big loss and dreads it. I intend to go further on my experiences on other posts and am very glad to have read about yours, Manuel. Keep smiling in the matrix and don´t forget to have fun because that is what the matrix is about. And please tell us Advaitins when you decide to leave the matrix so that we can write our final words to Manuel Delaflor. ;-) Best wishes, Fred advaitin, "Manuel Delaflor" <delaflor.> wrote: > > On 5/9/06, yajvan <agnimile> wrote: > > > > Hari Om > > ~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > Namaste Manuel > > > > Namaste Yajvan > > > > Thank you for your post, it is good to hear from someone possessed of > > SELF. Is your experience all the time? 7x24x365? > > > > Was this a 'dawning' for you, or ahve you been blessed to be in SELF > > all of your life? > > > > I ask this for you have written 'lived' in past tense, vs. present > > condtion. DO you care to describe your experices? > > > > I will explain my experience, with pleasure, but I hope you dont expect the > "normal" words of one who have reached the ultimate state (to put it in > words). > > What is worst, I do not know the appropriate words (are they sanscrit?) to > express myself better. > > Anyway. Indeed I wrote "lived" because I am no longer "there". > > It happened suddenly, I was driving back home when I remembered the I am > That by Nisargadatta, and without advice I was "THERE". I realized that the > book were written just for me, but not me Manuel, but for "me" the non dual > reality. There are no others, and there is no I. > > Now, for me, this was not about founding "the absolute bliss", all I reached > was an inconmensurable fear about not being a human being anymore. > > I was there for four months, in constant and violent fear because my human > shape was just an idea, and nothing I knew was real. The world become, > strangely, completely different to what we normally see. It is impossible to > describe using words that state of "no being" that it is still, somehow, > inside this illusion about "being". > > A bit of history. All I wanted, for all my life, was to understand what was > the world and what we were doing here. This is, of course, up to that > moment, in which I really didnt want to know anything else. There were > nothing else to know. I saw that all "knowledge" is a mental illusion, > merely tricks with words, without any content. > > I returned to be a human among humans, because the fear was all that was > left of me. A zen master told me, years later, that it was the last resort > of my ego to "bring me back". > > That happened 12 years ago. I still feel that I can go "there" if I want > (sometimes, discussing about philosophy or just "entering the moment" Im > almost there, for a few moments), but for now Im happy living my life as a > human being... Maybe when I feel Im ready. > > (I understand perfectly the logical contradictions in here, but its a > problem of logic, not of being) > > Now, regarding your specific question (sorry for the large post), yes. THAT > was there all the time, but again, words cant really grasp it. You are in a > completely different state; Walking life, Dreaming and Deep Sleep are just > "experiences" that happen, and "something" was there, all the time, > watching. It was not me, it is not human, it can be called Brahman?? > > I hope my answer is useful to you. > > > > > Manuel Delaflor > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Hari Om ~~~~~~~ Namaskar Manuel, Thank you for sharing the experience... Perhaps with your permission I can ask a few questions on this experience, or level of being you were absorbed in... I will only pursue with your permission as it sounds that overall, it may have not been of your desire? Please advise what is best . pranams, yajvan Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin Homepage at: Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Hi Manuel, May I have your kind permission to forward this post of yours to GuruRatings: Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Namaskar Manuel and all Advaitin-s, One of the reasons why I stopped taking intoxicants to achieve altered states of consciousness and insights is that whenever I told my Guru about my experiences he would just remain quiet for a few moments and say that "this is not the way". Then once he told me, "can´t you see that if you ingest a substance, even if you have a Samadhi, it is of no value because of the ingestion of the substance? what is valuable is only what you can naturally by yourself realize not what you can get from outer sources even if you have Samadhi." He told me that because I was having a very interesting feeling -- one which I have nowadays when I meet him -- that my body is non-existent or made of some so subtle substance that I cannot feel it. I met him on tuesday and as expected walked out without my body again :-) and the good thing is that there is absolutely no drug involved. So to me this proves that real progress is independent on drug consumption. And also, I would advise anyone who would like to take drugs to reach higher states of the danger of dying or getting irreparably mad. My psychotic episode was enough to divert me from a "spiritual fast-food" path. Om. Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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