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> Krishna Kant is so powerful in the art of argument that he

> can argue a case unlimitedly even when he has not a shred

> of evidence to support his case. This is called expertise,

> amazing expertise.

 

This is true, but is counteracted by the fact that he twists the statments

of others, as he does here:

 

> And if as

> Samba Prabhu says, lets forget the GBC because their position CANNOT be

> defended, then how can anyone at the same criticize the IRM for not

> submitting to the GBC,and hence being 'outside' ISKCON?

 

Srila Prabhupada wanted us to cooperate together, even if we dont agree with

each other. So lets NOT forget the GBC, but rather let us use our

intelligence to work with them in a way in which we can try to achieve Srila

Prabhupadas goals.

 

Oh and by the way, Krishna Kant still did not explain what he meant when he

declared that the parampara does not end with Srila Prabhupada. If none of

Srila Prabhupadas disciples can be diksa gurus, how can he say it does not

end?

 

Previous acaryas

V

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta

V

Srila Prabhupada

V

END

 

Your servant

Samba das

[Guest guest]

Dear Vaisnavas,

 

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

 

Samba Prabhu now claims:

 

"Srila Prabhupada wanted us to cooperate together, even if we don't

agree with each other. So lets NOT forget the GBC, but rather let us use

our

intelligence to work with them in a way in which we can try to achieve

Srila

Prabhupadas goals."

 

and therefore I 'twist statements'. Actually all that has happened is

that Samba prabhu has conveniently IGNORED statements he cannot reply

to.

 

1) On 7th February, Samba Prabhu presented a quote where Srila

Prabhupada tells a devotee not to leave the association of devotees

because of some disagreement with them.

2) On 8th February, I pointed out that this quote does not refer to a

situation where the GBC are deviating from Srila Prabhupada's

instructions.

3) On 9th February, Samba Prabhu then proceeded to simply IGNORE the

flaw in his argument pointed out the previous day, and instead jump to

another topic about how any Sannyasi can be a Diksa Guru.

4) Now On 11th February, Samba Prabhu has simply REPEATED the false

argument he presented on the 7th February, hoping no one will notice it

had already been answered on the 8th February.

 

I am more than happy to move onto other topics, once we at least FINISH

one topic we have started - whether it is the BTP, 'the natural way' of

parampara' etc. - but the subject always gets changed. For his benefit I

will refresh his memory on what I wrote on the 8th February, so

we can once again see if I am really 'twisting' statements:

 

"Thank you for this reference. But this is NOT the 'last wish' which you

originally claimed, issued by Srila Prabhupada just before his passing,

so there is nothing here for us to be ignorant about. Srila Prabhupada

refers here to people leaving HIS ISKCON in 1973 which he was running as

the Guru. ISKCON in 1973 was running correctly, and hence he says that

if someone leaves that ISKCON they will indeed 'make factions and

deviate'. Srila Prabhupada speaks here of continuing to co-operate with

a society which was not deviating, and hence to NOT co-operate with such

a society would indeed be a deviation and the making of a faction.

However in 1978 11 factions and 11 deviations were made. Now we have at

least 80 factions and deviations. This is NOT the 'THIS ISKCON' referred

to in the quote you supplied.

 

And in any case when did we ever leave ISKCON? We are the real ISKCON

remember! We always use the name ISKCON wherever possible. We may not

follow the current GBC, but then even you have admitted they can't be

defended.

 

If you have some quote where Srila Prabhupada says we should follow a

GBC that is completely deviating from his order, then you would have a

point. This is not such a quote."

 

Previously when Samba Prabhu could not answer WHAT the 'natural system

of parampara' was, Sankarsana came to his rescue by 'glorifying' my

arguing abilities and thereby changing the subject. Let's see what

happens this time.

 

Thank you,

 

Your servant,

Krishnakant

 

 

 

 

 

Samba (das) SDG [samba.SDG (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

Wednesday, February 11, 2004 6:23 PM

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ISKCON Solidarity Ki Jaya!

 

 

> Krishna Kant is so powerful in the art of argument that he

> can argue a case unlimitedly even when he has not a shred

> of evidence to support his case. This is called expertise,

> amazing expertise.

 

This is true, but is counteracted by the fact that he twists the

statments

of others, as he does here:

 

> And if as

> Samba Prabhu says, lets forget the GBC because their position CANNOT

be

> defended, then how can anyone at the same criticize the IRM for not

> submitting to the GBC,and hence being 'outside' ISKCON?

 

Srila Prabhupada wanted us to cooperate together, even if we dont agree

with

each other. So lets NOT forget the GBC, but rather let us use our

intelligence to work with them in a way in which we can try to achieve

Srila

Prabhupadas goals.

 

Oh and by the way, Krishna Kant still did not explain what he meant when

he

declared that the parampara does not end with Srila Prabhupada. If none

of

Srila Prabhupadas disciples can be diksa gurus, how can he say it does

not

end?

 

Previous acaryas

V

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta

V

Srila Prabhupada

V

END

 

Your servant

Samba das

 

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