Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 > The problem with just taking Prabhupada's instruction as it is in his > books is that the GBC have presented at least three different systems, all > conflicting, yet all supposedly based on Prabhupada's books. It would be > nice if they could come forth with ONE straightforward explanation of the > rules and regulations surrounding Initiations in ISKCON so we can have > something solid to discuss, rather than everyone's personal opinions. > What is the official GBC position on Initiations in ISKCON? Is it really the desire of the conference members to discuss the official GBC position on Initiations in ISKCON? If yes, can we set a time limitation how long we want to wait for an explanation from the GBC, and afterwards move to another topic. I would rather prefer to discuss the position of IRM and defeat it. ys Ramakanta dasa BTW. Please don't add Purnacandra Prabhu as a receiver of your texts. He is doing "Get me off this tree" for most of the texts in this conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 On Sunday, February 15, 2004, at 01:15 am, Sudama (das) (San Antonio, TX - US) wrote: > What is the official GBC position on Initiations in ISKCON? The > following > systems have been mentioned: > > ********************** > Is it: > > 1) That ANY sannyasi can become a Diksa Guru merely by virtue of being > a > Sannyasi, which Samba prabhu appears to be agreeing with now. This goes against the spirit of grhe thako vane thako (Bhakitivinode Thakura), and of kiba vipra kiba nyasi (Mahaprabhu). In fact that Apa-something-dhama (can't remember) sutra speaks against sannyasis becoming gurus at all. > 2) Or is it that anyone who simply thinks that they 'know the science > of > Krishna consciousness' can automatically become a Diksa Guru, as put > forward > by Sankarsana prabhu. This is support by kiba vipra kiba nyasi. > 3) Or maybe it is the system where, the disciple in the PRESENCE of > his own > Diksa Guru becomes a Diksa Guru, which is the system which Jayadvaita > Maharaja believes in. This goes against convention, and has only recently been done in the case of Mahavisnu Goswami. Prabhupada advised against this, as did others. > 4) Or maybe it is the system whereby only those who get the necessary > number > of votes from the GBC become Diksa Gurus. Why the rubberstamping to *become* a guru? Surely the GBC should be there to be the check and the balance for the entire system, making sure that those who could - unfortunately - take advantage of the situation, and betray trust, and simply not allowed to be in that position. I stand by Sankarsana prabhu, and believe that guru sadhu and sastra do to. However, I believe point 4 is valid in terms of protecting everyone from abuse which is an unfortunate symptom of our times. Ys., Rama Kesava dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 On Sunday, February 15, 2004, at 01:15 am, Sudama (das) (San Antonio, TX - US) wrote: > What is the official GBC position on Initiations in ISKCON? The > following > systems have been mentioned: > > ********************** > Is it: > > 1) That ANY sannyasi can become a Diksa Guru merely by virtue of being > a > Sannyasi, which Samba prabhu appears to be agreeing with now. This goes against the spirit of grhe thako vane thako (Bhakitivinode Thakura), and of kiba vipra kiba nyasi (Mahaprabhu). In fact that Apa-something-dhama (can't remember) sutra speaks against sannyasis becoming gurus at all. > 2) Or is it that anyone who simply thinks that they 'know the science > of > Krishna consciousness' can automatically become a Diksa Guru, as put > forward > by Sankarsana prabhu. This is support by kiba vipra kiba nyasi. > 3) Or maybe it is the system where, the disciple in the PRESENCE of > his own > Diksa Guru becomes a Diksa Guru, which is the system which Jayadvaita > Maharaja believes in. This goes against convention, and has only recently been done in the case of Mahavisnu Goswami. Prabhupada advised against this, as did others. > 4) Or maybe it is the system whereby only those who get the necessary > number > of votes from the GBC become Diksa Gurus. Why the rubberstamping to *become* a guru? Surely the GBC should be there to be the check and the balance for the entire system, making sure that those who could - unfortunately - take advantage of the situation, and betray trust, and simply not allowed to be in that position. I stand by Sankarsana prabhu, and believe that guru sadhu and sastra do to. However, I believe point 4 is valid in terms of protecting everyone from abuse which is an unfortunate symptom of our times. Ys., Rama Kesava dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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