Continuing the disciplic succession

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Dear Krishna Priya Mataji, PAMHO. AGTSP!

 

> Can you proof that he did establish any other system? Why someone else

> should prove prabhu.

 

Normally a court has to prove that the accused is guilty, not the other way

round. You said that the ISKCON gurus are disrespecting Srila Prabhupada's

instruction. So you have to prove that.

 

You say that they are doing it wrongly if they are do not act as ritviks and

accept disciples themselves.

 

 

Although I don't have to, I can show you that they are not acting against

Srila Prabhupada's instructions:

 

(1) You recently wrote (in text 8073759), "the Ritvik is not in all

circumstances obliged to give first or second initiation to the person(s)

being recommended" (referring to "After considering the recommendation,

these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of

Srila Prabhupada" in the July 9th letter).

 

So if the person does not initiate the devotee on behalf of Srila

Prabhupada, he is not disrespecting Srila Prabhupada's instruction,

especially if the devotee has not asked to be disciple of Srila Prabhupada.

 

(2) Srila Prabhupada has authorized devotees to accept disciples provided

they fulfill certain conditions (of course you say no).

 

So if such a person accepts disciples, he is not disrespecting Srila

Prabhupada's instruction and desire, especially if the disciple agreed to be

a disciple of Srila Prabhupada's disciple.

 

 

Now please prove that there is an instruction by Srila Prabhupada saying

that (1) his disciple MUST (not MAY) initiate a devotees on behalf of Srila

Prabhupada and that (2) Srila Prabhupada revoked the authorization to accept

disciples and the guru (disciple of Srila Prabhupada) MUST NOT accept the

devotee as his own disciple.

 

 

> So, the Ritvik system should exist.

 

I do not want to comment on that. I have an opinion though, but that is

insignificant.

 

> Why are the IRM devotees then persecuted, banned, beaten up etcetera?

 

No-one should be persecuted because of his belief. One can try to defeat him

in a debate, but not physically.

 

> You have an explanation for that?

 

No.

 

> > The six agents of sense gratification are the tongue, the genitals, the

> > belly, anger, the mind and words. Anyone who has practiced controlling

> > these six is permitted to make disciples all over the world. (Srila

> > Prabhupada, NOD, chapter 7)

>

> Is it? I dont think so.

 

What is missing in that statement that lets you think that it is not an

authorization to accept disciples?

 

ys Ramakanta dasa