Continuing the disciplic succession

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Dear Krishna Priya Mataji, PAMHO. AGTSP!

 

> Prabhuji, you are the one claiming that Srila Prabhupada has established

> some other system than the pre-samadhi Ritvik system?

 

Are you saying that during ten years Srila Prabhupada did not describe the

parampara system? Or he described it but never intended to establish it in

ISKCON? Or he intended to establish it but a few months before he left us,

he changed his mind or forgot to establish it?

 

> So, is the burden of proof not on you? It seems that you are turning the

> role around on me?

 

You wrote "cheating ISKCON" and I wrote "please prove it".

 

> > > > The six agents of sense gratification are the tongue, the genitals,

> > > > the belly, anger, the mind and words. Anyone who has practiced

> > > > controlling these six is permitted to make disciples all over the

> > > > world. (Srila Prabhupada, NOD, chapter 7)

> > >

> > > Is it? I dont think so.

> >

> > What is missing in that statement that lets you think that it is not an

> > authorization to accept disciples?

>

> There should still be some SPECIFIC instruction.

 

The authorization to add other ritviks ("others may be added") isn't

specific either. And, unlike the authorization to accept disciples, no

required qualification is given and it is not recorded anywhere (except in

the memory of Tamal Krishna Goswami).

 

What do you mean by "specific"? Are you expecting a public fire ceremony

authorizing a devotee to accept disciples? If that is required, then Srila

Prabhupada indeed did not authorized anyone to be guru (or ritvik).

 

Or is it sufficient if Srila Prabhupada privately said, "you do as I have

done" (not recorded anywhere)?

 

Who is the authority that determines what is an authorization and what not?

The GBC, Bhakta Joe, Krishnakant, or who? I would think it's the GBC.

 

> Can one, without being a HK devotee, but still managing to control all the

> six urges, or thinkig to be in control of them, whimsically proclaim

> himself as guru and accept disciples and state that he belongs to a

> certain sampradaya? Can one authorize oneself?

 

Of course not. Rupa Gosvami said "who can control the six urges", not "who

thinks he can control them".

 

> No, Srila Prabhupada said: NO. One has to be ordered by his guru....!!!

 

Ordered in what way? In writing?

 

> I am not that good in reasoning and arguing.

 

I don't think so. You have a woman body and therefore you don't argue in a

technical way as men do, you argue in a different way.

 

ys Ramakanta dasa