Excerpt from Bhagavad Gita As It Is defeating ritvikism

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Dear Deepak Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP!

 

Srila Prabhupada wrote:

 

> As long as the Spiritual Master is physically present, the disciple should

> serve the physical body of the Spiritual Master, and when the Spiritual

> Master is no longer physically existing, the disciple should serve the

> instructions of the Spiritual Master." (S.B. 4.28.47, purport).

 

I wrote:

 

> As long as the Spiritual Master is physically present, the disciple should

> serve the physical body of the Spiritual Master, and when the Spiritual

> Master is no longer physically existing, the disciple should serve the

> instructions of the Spiritual Master." (S.B. 4.28.47, purport).

 

Deepak answered:

 

> Unfortunately I do not see the following words in the passage I quoted:

>

> “at the beginning when a person becomes a disciple (at the time of

> initiation)”

>

> Srila Prabhupada simply says that "as long as the spiritual master is

> physically present, the disciple should serve the physical body of the

> Spiritual Master".

 

Srila Prabhupada wrote above statement in a book, that means it will be

valid during the next 10,000 years. If he meant "While I am physically

present, you should serve my physical body", then he would not have written

that in a book but said it in a lecture or conversation to his disciples.

 

> It’s interesting to me that this objection was ably answered way back in

> 1996 in "The Final Order", I wonder why devotees are so far behind in this

> debate. You may well be able to come up with another reason why the GBC

> were correct to stop the ritvik system they were ordered to run, if you do

> please let me see it, but this one is not valid with all due respects to

> your good self.

 

The ritvik followers misunderstood the July 9th letter. If you ask any

initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada, he/she will confirm that Srila

Prabhupada did not intent that the ritvik system should be continued after

he left the planet. You cannot understand initiation just by reading a

letter (not even written by Srila Prabhupada), or by reading about how Srila

Prabhupada did the initiations!

 

ys Ramakanta dasa

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Dear Ramakanta Prabhu,

 

PAMHO. AGTSP!

 

I trust you had a nice Janmastami and Vyasa Puja celebration.

 

With regards the following quote:

 

“as long as the spiritual master is physically present, the disciple should

serve the physical body of the Spiritual Master, and when the Spiritual

Master is no longer physically existing, the disciple should serve the

instructions of the Spiritual Master." (S.B. 4.28.47, purport).

 

You comment:

“Srila Prabhupada wrote above statement in a book, that means it will Be

valid during the next 10,000 years. If he meant "While I am physically

present, you should serve my physical body", then he would not have written

that in a book but said it in a lecture or conversation to his disciples.”

 

Srila Prabhupada is making a GENERAL statement about how one behaves towards

the Spiritual Master. Srila Prabhupada is also a spiritual master,

therefore it also applies to him. Or are you saying

that the above passage applies to all spiritual masters except Srila

Prabhupada? You then say:

 

"The ritvik followers misunderstood the July 9th letter."

 

It was the GBC that "misunderstood" the J9 letter. They concoted the

unauthorised zonal acarya system, whereby the 11 named ritviks suddenly

became 'mahabhagavat diksa gurus'. Jayadvaita Swami wrote an apology for

this fraudulent system in BTG a few years back in his capacity as

editor-in-chief.

 

The ritvik advocates simply take the face meaning of the letter. Can you

please tell me the EXACT words in the letter ritvik followers

"‘misunderstand", and HOW they "misunderstand" them? You continue:

 

"If you ask any initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada, he/she will confirm

that Srila Prabhupada did not intent that the ritvik system should be

continued after he left the planet."

 

This is not true. There are initiated disciples of Srila Prabhupada who

fully accept the continued application of the ritvik system.

 

‘You cannot understand initiation just by reading a letter (not even written

by Srila Prabhupada)"

 

The letter was signed by Srila Prabhupada, therefore he must have fully

agreed with it, therefore why does it matter WHO TYPED it? Where does Srila

Prabhupada ever state your injunction

that: "You cannot understand the system of initiation just by reading a

letter?" Why would Srila Prabhupada bother to send over 100 identical

letters to all his leaders if he knew no-one would understand it? Anyone who

reads English can understand it.

 

Ys,

Deepak

 

 

 

>"Ramakanta (das) HKS (PAMHO.NET SysOp) (Zurich - CH)"

><Ramakanta.HKS (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

>"Deepak Vohra" <dv108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

>Excerpt from Bhagavad Gita As It Is defeating ritvikism

>Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:44 +0200

>

>Dear Deepak Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP!

>

>Srila Prabhupada wrote:

>

> > As long as the Spiritual Master is physically present, the disciple

>should

> > serve the physical body of the Spiritual Master, and when the Spiritual

> > Master is no longer physically existing, the disciple should serve the

> > instructions of the Spiritual Master." (S.B. 4.28.47, purport).

>

>I wrote:

>

> > As long as the Spiritual Master is physically present, the disciple

>should

> > serve the physical body of the Spiritual Master, and when the Spiritual

> > Master is no longer physically existing, the disciple should serve the

> > instructions of the Spiritual Master." (S.B. 4.28.47, purport).

>

>Deepak answered:

>

> > Unfortunately I do not see the following words in the passage I quoted:

> >

> > "at the beginning when a person becomes a disciple (at the time of

> > initiation)"

> >

> > Srila Prabhupada simply says that "as long as the spiritual master is

> > physically present, the disciple should serve the physical body of the

> > Spiritual Master".

>

>Srila Prabhupada wrote above statement in a book, that means it will be

>valid during the next 10,000 years. If he meant "While I am physically

>present, you should serve my physical body", then he would not have written

>that in a book but said it in a lecture or conversation to his disciples.

>

> > It's interesting to me that this objection was ably answered way back in

> > 1996 in "The Final Order", I wonder why devotees are so far behind in

>this

> > debate. You may well be able to come up with another reason why the GBC

> > were correct to stop the ritvik system they were ordered to run, if you

>do

> > please let me see it, but this one is not valid with all due respects to

> > your good self.

>

>The ritvik followers misunderstood the July 9th letter. If you ask any

>initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada, he/she will confirm that Srila

>Prabhupada did not intent that the ritvik system should be continued after

>he left the planet. You cannot understand initiation just by reading a

>letter (not even written by Srila Prabhupada), or by reading about how

>Srila

>Prabhupada did the initiations!

>

>ys Ramakanta dasa

 

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