Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Text PAMHO:8652890 (230 lines) [W1] Ramananda Raya (das) BCS (Radhadesh - B) 28-Aug-04 03:59 (04:59 +0100) Ganga (dd) IDS (CIS SysOp) [46783] (received: 28-Aug-04 17:03) Malati Manjari (dd) BCS (Goloka-dham - D) [25119] (received: 28-Aug-04 13:27) Cc: (All kinds of) Advertisements [1743] (sender: Ganga (dd) IDS (CIS SysOp)) For: Free Forum (Announcements) James Leininger DVD, subtitling. --------------------------- Dear Prabhus, Please accept my humble obeisances All glories to Srila Prabhupada. I am again sending the text on a very spectacular, most interesting DVD-clip on reincarnation that we want to subtitle. It was sent to me by Carol Bowman from Philadelphia, US, she is a pioneer in recent reincarnation research. The clip was broadcast on Prime Time in the US, just recently. First I had a technical problem and I could not paste the file on a wincom format like this one, now it seems to work. Malati Manjari dd will make the subtitles in English, she is expert in setting up the right titles for good understanding of the contents, as she has been working with a professional TV-company. From her basic script anyone else who likes to translate it in his language can partake in this project. It costs the same to subtitle in more languages as it costs subtitling in just one language. Please reply if you are interested in subtitling. I can send copies in plain english also. your humble servant, Ramananda Raya dasa ------------------------- Once again. Charles Gibson And now one of the biggest questions of life. What happens when it's over ? Heaven, hell, nothing? Or might there be a fourth possibility, reincarnation? Could we come back as someone else? Here is Chris Cuomo with two down to earth parents who thought they understood the mysteries of life, that is until their toddler began to talk. On March 3 1945, a 21 year old Navy fighter pilot on a mission over the Pacific was shot down by Japanese artillery. His name might well have been forgotten, were it not for the remarkable, some might say unbelievable story of a little boy, named James. "OK, this is really tough; I need somebody to help me. All right, I am the volunteer, what do you want me to do?" I just go climb this thing and you have to hold me in case I fall". "Done" James Leininger is all boy, six years old and full of spirit. "This is a special plane, it goes in reverse. You don't see a lot of that. James knows a lot about planes, especially warplanes. What kind of an airplane is that? It's a Coarse Air. His parents, Andrea and Bruce Leininger say from an early age James would play with nothing else. "He was obsessed with airplanes. You look around in the house, that's all you see, airplanes, helicopters, aircraft-carriers. But then, when he was two, the planes James loved, suddenly began to give him frequent and frightening nightmares. I wake him up and he would be screaming and he would be always lying on his back, kicking his feet up unto the ceiling. And I said: "Baby, what were you dreaming about ?" He said : "Airplane crashed on fire, little man can't get out." They sound like typical kiddy nightmares, but Andrea said they went on for months. Maybe too much TV, but his parents say James was just two when he was only watching Barney and Tele-tubbies.. …"Tele-tubbies"… And Andrea and Bruce say, they were not watching World War two documentaries or conversing about military history.. So, what explains the nightmares and James strange obsession with airplanes? I talked to my mam about it, a lot of times. And my mam said : " Maybe, he is remembering a past life." "What did you say? " "Politely?" "Baloney!" Andrea and Bruce of Lafayette at Louisiana are highly educated modern couple. To them, the possibility that their little son James was manifesting signs of a former life, was …well, a little out there.. "You know, having a past life is not the initial conclusion that you come to. You try and figure out any other way he could have… Did he see anything, has there been anything on television, anything that we have discussed? But as time went by, Andrea did not know what to believe… Here is James, at age three, going over a plane as if he was doing a pretty flight check and he continued to say and do things that were puzzling… Like at the time his mam bought him a toy airplane.. And I said: " Oh, look, there is a bomb on the bottom of it..! " He said: "That's not a bomb, Ma. It's a drop tank. "A drop tank…" "I have never heard about a drop tank, I did not know what a drop tank was… Andrea's mother suggested she look into the work of councilor and therapist Carol Bowman. Bowman has written two books, both supporting the proposition that sometimes the dead can be reborn. "We are taught from a very early age, in this culture, in the Judeo-Christian culture, that reincarnation does not exist. Once you observe this in a child and the evidence is very compelling, you have to open up to another explanation for what is going on. Bruce was deeply skeptical. "He said there has to be a logical explanation." "I don't believe in past lives. I don't believe in this stuff" But with the violent nightmares, recurring three or four times a week, the Leiningers felt they have to do something. So, with guidance from Bowman, they cautiously began to encourage James to share his memories. They say: "The result was startling" "The nightmares immediately started reducing in frequency. He went down from maybe four a week to one every week, one every other week. And at that point was when he started to articulate more about these past-life memories. Seems normal enough, a little boy improving when his troubles are directly addressed. But Bowman says : This is more, that James was forthcoming, because this is the age when former lives are most easily recalled. They haven't had the cultural conditioning, the layering over of experience in this life, so that the memories can percolate up more easily. These memories tend to fade between the ages of five to seven. His parents say between the age of two till to four, James would reveal extraordinary details about the life of a former fighter-pilot, mostly at bed time when he was drowsy. Bruce said: "What happened to your plane?" He said: "It crashed on fire". And Bruce said:"Why did your airplane crash?" And he said: "It got shot". And Bruce said: "Who shot your plane?" And…I will never forget the look on his face. He went: …"The Japanese!!!!" Still, despite these extraordinary stories Bruce remained dubious; almost to prove they could not be true. He began to piece together the details James was sharing. And what he found, he says, shook him to the core. For many instances the stories appeared to match the facts. James seemed to be recalling real events, real people, in the life of a man who had been dead for almost sixty years. Coming up…. A toddler, just three years old. So, how does he know the pilots from a World War II squattering ? That was like falling mambo … You could have poured out the brains from my ears. I just couldn't believe it. When Prime Time continues… With each passing month little James Leininger seemed to peeling back memories of a past life…. " A plane"… Vivid memories that scared and astonished his parents. Bruce said:" What kind of plane did you fly? He said a Coarse Air." "He said a Coarse Air?" "Yes" Not only did James remember flying a Coarse Air, he demonstrated knowledge of the plane's peculiarities, at the time he was flipping through a book about planes when he was four. We got to the Coarse Air, he said:"That's a Coarse Air". And he goes: " You know what ?" They used to get flat tires all the time. In fact, historians and pilots agree that the planes tires too a lot of punishment on landing. Of course this is a fact that could easily been found in books or on TV. But then, James began to offer the kinds of specific details, his parents say are harder to explain away. "Another night, Bruce had come in and he said: "Do you remember where your plane took off?" And he said it took off from a boat. "Do you remember the name of your boat?The Natoma" "Do you remember what your name was and he would always say "James!" But his name is James! It never really occurred to us; we thought he just wasn't understanding the question. So, I said: "Do you remember any of your friends, anyone else that you flew with? And he said Jack, Jack Larsson. Bruce began doing some research. Almost immediately he discovered that the Natoma was an actual ship, a small aircraft-carrier in the Pacific, called the Natoma Bay. And Jack Larsson, the Navy body little James recalled. Well, it turns out; there was a pilot, named Jack Larsson who served aboard the Natoma Bay. In fact, he is alive and well and is living in Arkansas. And it was like falling mambo… I mean really, you could have poured my brains out of my ears. And I just, I just couldn't believe it. And there were more clues. Around this time, James began signing crayon drawings and other artwork, James 3. When they asked him why he is calling himself James 3, Well, he says: "I am the third James". And every once and a while you ask him that today, he will still say the same thing. And one day while leafing through a new book about the battle of Iwo Jima, Bruce turned to an aerial photo of the Pacific Island. James was seated nearby. He pointed to it and he goes:" Daddy, that's where my plane got shot down". I said: "What?! That's my airplane got shot down there, Daddy." And I just went blank". "I couldn't say anything…. By then, Bruce had become a man possessed, searching the Internet, culming through military records and interviewing men who served aboard the Natoma Bay. Finally a breakthrough. He learnt that there was just one pilot in his squadron killed at Iwo Jima, that pilot: James N. Houston Junior. Is this why little James was calling himself James 3 ? It just crossed my mind:" This has to be who we are talking about. You know, my meter of skepticism was starting to go over toward belief. When little James would describe being shot down he described how his plane had sustained a direct hit on the engine. We had an airplane and I said : " Well, can you show me where it was. He pointed right up to the front of the engine." That's what makes this man's story so intriguing. His name is Ralph Clarber. Clarber was a rear gunner on a TVM-avenger that flew off the Natoma Bay. On March 3 1945 he took part in a raid near Iwo Jima. As it happened Clarber's plane was right next to the one flown by James N. Houston Junior. It used to be Houston's last mission before leaving for home the following day. As Clarber recalls the sky was thick with enemy flack. "We experienced pretty heavy anti-aircraft fire, but this was the most intense that I experienced at any time. Suddenly a flash at the nose of Houston's plane. I saw the hit, I would say he was hit head on, right on the middle of the engine. "Just as little James had described it." "So, what do you believe now, about your son James?" "I believe that he had a past life, I believe that in his past life he was James N. Houston Junior and he came back because he wasn't finished with something. That's essentially what I believe. "Dear Bruce and Andrea…" And he is not the only one. This past October the Leiningers received a letter from a woman named Ann Houston Barron, the sister of James N. Houston. Andrea and Bruce had contacted her about their little boy. Barren heard about what young James was saying and she believes: "All this is still overwhelming, I can only imagine how this has affected you, but I believe with my love to you. Ann. "The child was so convincing and coming up with all these things. There is no way in the world he could know. Unless there is a spiritual thing. "I think that the parents are self deceived, that they are fascinated by the mysterious and they build up a fairy tale." Professor Paul Kurtz of the University of Buffalo heads an organization that investigates claims of the paranormal. He is overhearing conversations of his parents, he is looking at cues, he may talk to his friends or hear from neighbors. And then this conviction that builds up, that yes, he was this pilot, he will come to believe that himself. "Did you ever rag your brain and say "Ji, I hope I didn't say anything or do anything to put this in James head? Do you ever question yourself? "No, because we were talking to a two year old. I mean, what am I going to do? Set him in a corner and say:"Listen, we are going to concoct this elaborate scheme and you are going to imagine that you went through all those things." "I knew what he watched on television, I knew what stories I read to him. I am a protective first time Southern mother. There was no other place he could have been getting this information. Assuming the Leiningers are acting in good faith, what we have here is a classic conflict between what we call faith versus science. Hard facts against beliefs that often can't be easily explained. There is no doubt where Paul Kurtz stands: "People have the right to believe, surely in America, there is freedom of conscience. On the other hand, you want to believe in something that is false? So, how do you rationalize something that is bigger then ourselves, if you have to fall back on science all the time? Not simply science, on the facts. On common sense." Once upon a time the Leiningers might have agreed, but that was before the amazing story told by their young son forced them to consider the possibilities and to examine their faith. "Whether you believe in reincarnation or not. It's about the eternal life of the human spirit and that is something God promises to us. There is something else out there, after this, it's not over when we die." James' vivid recollections are starting to fade as he gets older but among his prized possessions are two gifts sent to him by pilot James Houston's sister, a bust of George Washington and model of a Coarse Air aircraft. They were amongst the personal affairs of James Houston, sent home after the war. Do you feel differently about James? Has it changed your relationship with him? No, we have always felt that he is a special little boy, because he is our son. He appears to have experienced something that I don't think is unique but the way it's been revealed is quite astounding, but it doesn't change how we think, I don't look at James thinking, that's not my son, it's someone else… That's my boy. It might be a natural assumption that it's just Hindus and Buddhists who believe in reincarnation but would it surprise you to know that one out of every four Americans, Christians and Jewish alike, believe that souls do return again. We'll be right back. (Text PAMHO:8652890) ------ ------- End of Forwarded Message ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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