Excerpt from Bhagavad Gita As It Is defeating ritvikism A Question

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Dear Ramakanta prabhu,

 

Pamho. AGTSP!

 

Actually I do not feel any need to defend my stand on this forum.

But, I like debating, for it strenghtens the mind.

 

 

> Dear Krishna Priya Mataji, PAMHO. AGTSP!

>

> > If you are incapbablt to see and understand the extraordinary position

> > of Srila Prabhupada there is absoulutely no point in trying to argue

> > with you on this point. You ether recognise the selfmanifest powerful

> > acharya or you do not...you seem to fit such unfortunate category.

>

> Deepak Prabhu recently wrote:

>

> >We are not sentimentalists, we must support all our statements with

> >logical arguments based on evidence from Srila Prabhupada. Please can

> >you now do this.

>

> > It all begins with understanding and desire. if you cant understand,

> > cant accept Srial Prabhupada is your guru, how will you pray to him to

> > be accepted and how will you receive any sign?

>

> I agree. I wrote something similar:

> Of course if you are able to communicate with a departed guru as if he is

> personally present, then you can take personal initiation from him.

 

With the use of Ritviks, Srila Prabhupada, though physically departed does

not need to be personally present; even though he appears in dreams of

devotees, which have always been claimed as being spiritual - as dreaming of

Krishna and His pure devotees can never be mondain - but to keep things

straight and not on 'possibe imaginary platform' we leave that out of

consideration.

 

As per Srila Prabhupada's setup of ISKCON, the 'representatives of Srila

Prabhupada' could be the ones to fill the vacuum felt by the individuals;

but even though they can do this in the capacity authorised by Srila

Prabhuapda for them, they choose to seek evidence from guru and shastra

prior to Srila Prabhupada in order to continue things THEIR way under the

name of 'the eternal parampara system". It is quite ironical. If it was not

so serious and unfortunate, I could have had a good laugh about it.

 

>

> > is puzzling for me to see how ISKON apologist are considering srila

> > Prabupada's most legimate Ritvik arrangement to be mayavadi

>

> "Impersonal" does not mean "mayavada". For example the four kumaras were

> impersonalist (before the met Vishnu) but never mayavadis.

 

The Four Kumara's before becoming Vaishnava's believed the Supreme to be the

Impersonal Brahmayoti. They could not comprehend HIS SACCITANANDA original

VIGRAHA.

 

How this is compared to Ritvik being Mayavada is still beyong my

comprehension, for we do not claim that Srila Prabhupada has dissolved in

the impersonal Brahmajyoti???? Nor do we say that Srila Prabhupada has

stopped being an 'individual being". Rather we say that Srila Prabhupada is

STILL VERY MUCH EXISTENT as the EVER LIBERATED GURU manifestation of the

Lord and that physical distance, thanks to the perfect arrangement he left

for is in the form of Initiation through Ritvks, is the perfect means to

link up with our eternal spiritual master.

 

 

 

 

> > FALLDOWN IN ITSELF IS NOT PROOF OF BEING AUTHORISED, ONLY POSSIBLE

> > INDICATION.

>

> Probably you wanted to say: FALLDOWN IN ITSELF IS NOT PROOF OF _NOT_ BEING

> AUTHORISED, ONLY POSSIBLE INDICATION.

 

Yes. That is indeed what I meant. Not falling down is in itself also not

proof of being authorised....

 

It is not black and white like that.

 

 

>

> ys Ramakanta dasa

 

your servant,

 

Krishnapriya dasi