Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Dear Maharajas Prabhus and Matajis, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Sometimes a person puts forward the argument that errors have crept into the Vedas and that they are no longer accurate. I counter that the keepers of the Vedic tradition had a way of preserving the Vedas exactly. This of course doesn't discount that while this prevents the Vedas from being tampered with the problem does arise that when the keepers of the Vedas die out then problems arise. However, the Vedas are eternal and are like the Sun even if we can't see the Sun it doesn't mean it ceases to exist, it will again appear in our vision at a later date (the next day). Similarly the Vedas appear and disappear at different times. The number of Vedic mantras is much more than is presently accounted for. That is because in different planetary regions larger number of Vedic mantras are known. An interesting incident that is described in the 12th canto of the SB illuminates this point. Once Yajnavalkya angered his guru Vaisampayana Rsi who told him to give back everything he had given him. Yajnavalkhya then vomited up all the Vedic mantras (Yajur Veda) he had gotten from his guru. All the other disciples of Vaisampayana then changed themselves into partridges (tittiri) and ate up all those mantras. Henceforward those mantras became known as the Taittairiya Samhita of the Krsna Yajur Veda. Then Yajnavalkya did tapas and after some time Surya appeared to him in the form of a horse. Surya asked what benediction he wanted. Yajnavalkya responded that he wanted to receive Vedic mantras not yet heard in the world of men. Surya agreed and from the mane of the horse mantras emanated and entered into Yajnavalkya. From that point on that group (samhita) of mantras became known as the Vajasenaya (horse mane) Samhita of the Shukla Yajur Veda. The point being that the Rsi wanted Vedic mantras not yet known to men. Since the Vedic mantras are aupurusaya having no (material) author they are endless in number. Hence for more Vedic mantras to appear (or disappear as some have--there are some Brahmanas--explanations of Vedic mantras--that refer to Vedic mantras that no longer exist only the commentary exists) is not strange. We also hear from authorities that while the Mahabharata of martyaloka has one lakha slokas, the Mahabharata of Svargaloka has one crore slokas. So we should not think that what ever little we know is all in all. A Brahmana once told me the historical incident of a learned Brahmana who by his punya went to Svarga loka. He was a little proud and boasted to Lord Indra that he knew all the four Vedas including their Samhita, Brahmanas, Aranyakas and Upanishads; as well as the Shad Vedangas and Upavedas, the Puranas (Maha and Upa) etc etc he was listing all the sastras he knew. In this way he thought he would impress Lord Indra. After reciting the whole list of sastras that he knew Lord Indra picked up a handful of sand and let the grains fall from his hand and stated "This is what you know." And of course it should be stated that in a similar fashion the Vedic knowledge in Svargaloka is not as much as in the lokas above it and so on upward. Nor should we lament or worry that Vedic knowledge is being "lost." It may temporarily disappear from our sight like the Sun but is never lost because it is eternal and will reappear at the right time to persons who have the qualities necessary to receive them. I have digressed more than I had intended, below is text that explains how the learned Vedic Brahmanas preserved the accuracy of the Vedas.' yhs Shyamasundara Dasa www.ShyamasundaraDasa.com Excerpt: Error - free Methods of chanting ( Extract from "The Vedas" published by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan ) Without resort to writing, our forefathers had devised many ways to prevent even a very small error to creep into the Vedas. The fullest benefit from the Vedic mantras can result only if no word is changed; no unauthorised upward or downward drift in the note occurs in the recitation. Hence the numerous safeguards. How much time it should take to utter each word is indicated by resort to the notation by "maatras"-the time it takes to pronounce a short vowel. How to regulate breathing so that the vibrations can occur at what part of the body to give birth to the pure word sound is also laid down in the Vedanga Seeksha. The Taitreeya Upanishad, for e.g., begins with Seeksha thus: Seeksham Vyakyaa syaamah - Varna Swarah - Maatrabalam - Saama Santaanah Seeksha deals with Varna, Swara, Maatra, Strength, Saama and Santaanah A fool-proof method is to chant each mantra in various patterns and combinations known as Vaakya, Pada, Krama, Jata, Maala, Sikha, Rekha, Dhwaja, Danda, Ratha, Ghana, etc. Some learned pandits are called "Ghanapaatis". This means that they are learned in the Vedas to the extent of chanting of the Vedas in the pattern called "Ghanam". When we listen to a Ghanapaati reciting Vedas in Ghana form, we note that he repeats the in various ways back and forth and in different patterns. This would be pleasant to the ears and creates a sense of happiness within. It would seem that the natural grandeur of the Veda mantras is heightened, as it were. So would be the effect of recitation in the other prescribed patterns of Kramam, Jata, Sikha, Maala, etc. But the main object of reciting them is to make no mistake in the original meaning and sound pattern of the words. Vaakya Paatha or Samhita Paatha is to recite the mantras in a sentence straight. When mantras come in sentences, some of the words therein have to be conjoined in chanting. To recite the Veda mantras, pada by pada or word by word, instead of joining the words and stringing them together is Pada Paatha. Pada Paatha occurs after Samhita paatha. In pada paatha the sentence is broken down to "words" or pada. This gives the student of the Vedas the knowledge of each word in a sentence. In Krama Paatha, the first word of the mantra is added to the second, the second to the third, the third to the fourth and so on, until the whole sentence of the mantras is completed. This paatha or method of recitation helps the student understand not only the individual words but also how two words can be combined in recitation and what modification occurs in swara in such a combination. In certain ancient edicts, notably gift deeds, at the end of the name of some illustrious persons, there would be a suffix "Krama Vit". Like "Veda Vit", "Krama Vit" means that the person is well versed in reciting the Vedas by the Krama Paatha methods.There are many such edicts in South India. In Jata Paatha, the first word and the second are first recited together and then the words are recited in a reverse order and then again in the original order. Whereas in the Krama type of recitation the order of words is 1-2 ; 2-3 ; 3-4 ; 4-5 and so on, in the Jata Paatha, the order will be 1-2-2-1-1-2, 2-3-3-2-2-3, 3-4-4-3-3-4, 4-5-5-4-4-5 and so on. Just as two words are repeated forwards and backwards in the Jata Paatha, the Sikha Paatha three words to be so linked. In Ghana Paatha the combination will be: Click on the link to continue (scroll down the page about 2/3). http://www.ahista.com/vedchant/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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