Srila Prabhupada's Instruction Stands Firm Regardless of What the

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Srila Prabhupada's Instruction stands firm regardless

of what the GBC may do or not do.

"One who is now the disciple is the next spiritual master."

 

 

 

 

 

failure (AT) pamho (DOT) net [failure (AT) pamho (DOT) net] On Behalf Of Deepak Vohra

Friday, January 07, 2005 9:16 AM

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Initiations in ISKCON

RE: can someone give sastric and sadhu validations for ritvikism

 

Dear Jayadvaita Maharaja

 

PAMHO. AGTSP.

 

Thank you for your best wishes.

 

> >But clearly, you agree that since Srila Prabhupada's signature

> >appears on the letter, then it DOES carry authority (or at least it

> >did until November 14th/15th 1977, when it ceased to be applied in

> >ISKCON).

>

>Please don't be cutesy with me.

 

I cannot understand why I am being "cutesy", the issue is very simple; you

say the authority of the July 9th letter is beyond question. Jahnu and

others imply it is questionable because Srila Prabhupada didn't write it.

On this point, I agree with you not Jahnu. Neither I nor "The Final Order"

ever pretend that you have been converted to the view that the letter must

continue to apply now. So what exactly am I being "cutesy" about? I am

just stating a fact.

 

>It saddens me that while the whole world suffers for lack of Krsna

>consciousness, such a bright man as you invests his valuable energy in

>beating a dead horse.

 

If I may briefly explain WHY I am investing my valuable energy in, as you

see it, "beating a dead horse".

 

I agree that the whole world, of which I am but one tiny part, is suffering

for lack of Krsna consciousness. Srila Prabhupada states:

 

"People struggling for existence in the forests or cities of the material

world are not actually enjoying life. They are simply suffering different

pains and pleasures, generally pains that are always inauspicious. They try

to gain release from these pains, but they cannot due to ignorance. For them

it is stated in the Vedas: tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet. When

the living entity is lost in the forest of the material world, in the

struggle for existence, his first business is to find a bona fide guru who

is always engaged at the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead,

Visnu." (SB 3.15.24, purport)

 

You will note from this purport that the FIRST business of the suffering

living entity, such as myself, is to "find a bona fide guru who is always

engaged at the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Visnu".

The GBC has offered us a variety of personalities who were supposed to

fulfil this role, but sadly fell short of the requirement. Now we learn

that the philosophical justification for appointing these personalities,

namely the GBC's "final siddhanta" paper 'Gurus and Initiations in ISKCON',

"contains assumptions and assertions that, in numerous places, do not match

the available evidence from the statements of Srila Prabhupada", "stretches

the truth" and contains "lies".

 

So as a suffering living entity, my FIRST business must to be to go back to

Srila Prabhupada's actual instructions, for by following these I can be

assured that I will only be told the truth. Similarly, other suffering

living entities can only come to Krsna consciousness once they know WHO the

bona fide guru is; for "The Spiritual Master and Krishna are two parallel

lines. You have to make your progress on these two parallel lines, you

cannot avoid one in preference of the other...If one does not get bona fide

Spiritual Master, then how he can ever understand Krishna?" (SPL Mahapurusa,

12 Feb 1968)

 

I hope this goes a little way to explaining why I believe this discussion is

not "beating a dead horse".

 

Thank you and my obeisances once again. Hare Krsna.

 

Ys,

Deepak

 

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