Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Dear IS_Con devotees, who partook in discussing Ritvik on this "Initiations in IsKCon forum" Before withdrawing I have one last comment to make: for someone officially diagnosed with having Borderline, I held and maintained my views here quite strongly. Thank you for the chivalry. It has just proven to myself, that taking shelter of Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet directly, nothing is impossible! Hare Krishna and Goodbye!!!! your servant in Srila Prabhupada's service, Krishnapriya dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 My Dear Krishnapriya devi dasi, Please accept my obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. We wish you well on your pathway back to Godhead and thank you for your participation in our conference. One thing is for sure, when we get back to Godhead we can all sit at Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet and get his confirmation on whether or not he wanted the disciplic succession to continue after him or to stop with him. It appears from the following statement that he wanted it to continue after him. But since you are so confused about this on your behalf I will ask him. Here's the quote: "I have got my disciples, so in the future these many disciples may have many branches of disciplic succession." Letter to: Kirtanananda -- Los Angeles 25 January, 1969 Hoping this meets you in good health and in a cheerful mood, Your eternal servant, Sankarshan Das Adhikari ---CONTACT INFORMATION: Email: sda (AT) UltimateSelfRealizaiton (DOT) Com Telephone: 1-512-835-2121 Address: P.O. Box 143073, Austin, Texas 78714-3073 USA Krishna Priya [Krishna.Priya (AT) pamho (DOT) net] Sunday, January 09, 2005 10:32 AM Initiations in ISKCON One more thing......... Dear IS_Con devotees, who partook in discussing Ritvik on this "Initiations in IsKCon forum" Before withdrawing I have one last comment to make: for someone officially diagnosed with having Borderline, I held and maintained my views here quite strongly. Thank you for the chivalry. It has just proven to myself, that taking shelter of Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet directly, nothing is impossible! Hare Krishna and Goodbye!!!! your servant in Srila Prabhupada's service, Krishnapriya dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Sankarshan prabhu quoted: "I have got my disciples, so in the future these many disciples may have many branches of disciplic succession." Letter to: Kirtanananda -- Los Angeles 25 January, 1969 The following is a more complete version of what Srila Prabhupada said and will help in understanding HDG's true intentions. "Regarding your question about the disciplic succession coming down from Arjuna, it is just like I have got my disciples, so in the future these many disciples may have many branches of disciplic succession. So in one line of disciples we may not see another name coming from a different line. But this does not mean that person whose name does not appear was not in the disciplic succession." (SPL to Kirtanananda, 25 January, 1969). The above is obviously just an analogy to illustrate a point. Srila Prabhupada is merely giving an example to clear up a philosophical question raised by one of his disciples, (whom he later appoints to act as a ritvik only, not a diksa guru). He is not saying that this **will happen** or **should happen**. In fact he uses the word **'may'**. Furthermore: 1. The GBC have never suggested ISKCON gurus should all represent their own 'branch' of the disciplic succession. Rather they are all meant to represent just one branch, ISKCON. Thus even the GBC would never in their right mind advocate this quote as an institutional blueprint for the future of initiation. 2. The quote is taken from a personal letter, which was not published, until 1986, and only then because someone in the BBT was bribed into releasing such material. Thus Sankarshan prabhu is asking us to believe that Srila Prabhupada expected every Temple President in ISKCON to: a. Know in detail the contents of all his private correspondence, even though it had never been published. b. Know which specific letter was meant to be used to justify the termination of the ritvik system, even though they had no access to it, nor did the letter even remotely allude to the ritvik system or the conditions under which it should be terminated. 3. Even the GBC themselves have never said that they stopped the ritvik system because of this private letter to Kirtanananda, which nobody saw till years after the ritvik system was stopped. Thus we are still left with the question 'why was the ritvik system stopped?' Sankarshan prabhu makes the following point also.... "when we get back to Godhead we can all sit at Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet and get his confirmation on whether or not he wanted the disciplic succession to continue after him or to stop with him." Whoever said anything about stopping the chain of disciplic succession? The parampara system is eternal and is personally maintained by the Supreme Lord Himself. According to Srila Prabhupada the sankirtan movement, and hence ISKCON will only last another 9,500 years. Against eternity 9,500 years is nothing, a mere blip in cosmic time. This is the period during which Srila Prabhupada shall remain the current acarya, at least within ISKCON. Previous acaryas have remained current for thousands or even millions of years so it really is nothing to be alarmed about: '....we find in the Bhagavad-Gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system-namely, Vivisvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and so ***these gaps*** do not hamper from understanding the parampara system. We have to pick up from the prominent acaryas, and follow from him....We have to pick up from the authority of the acharya in whatever sampradaya we belong to.' [sPL Dayananda 684-12] "A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from ***time eternal*** and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord." (BG 4:42) ysmsd --- "Sankarsana (das) ACBSP (Austin, Texas - USA)" <Sankarsana.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote: > My Dear Krishnapriya devi dasi, > Please accept my obeisances. > All glories to Srila Prabhupada. > > We wish you well on your pathway back to Godhead > and thank you for your participation in our > conference. > One thing is for sure, when we get back to Godhead > we > can all sit at Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet and get > his > confirmation on whether or not he wanted the > disciplic > succession to continue after him or to stop with > him. It > appears from the following statement that he wanted > it to > continue after him. But since you are so confused > about > this on your behalf I will ask him. > > Here's the quote: > > "I have got my disciples, so in the future these > many > disciples may have many branches of disciplic > succession." > > Letter to: Kirtanananda -- Los Angeles 25 January, > 1969 > > Hoping this meets you in good health and in a > cheerful mood, > Your eternal servant, > > Sankarshan Das Adhikari > > > ---CONTACT INFORMATION: > Email: sda (AT) UltimateSelfRealizaiton (DOT) Com > Telephone: 1-512-835-2121 > Address: P.O. Box 143073, > Austin, Texas 78714-3073 USA > > > > > > Krishna Priya [Krishna.Priya (AT) pamho (DOT) net] > > Sunday, January 09, 2005 10:32 AM > Initiations in ISKCON > One more thing......... > > Dear IS_Con devotees, who partook in discussing > Ritvik on this "Initiations > in IsKCon forum" > > Before withdrawing I have one last comment to make: > for someone officially > diagnosed with having Borderline, I held and > maintained my views here quite > strongly. Thank you for the chivalry. It has just > proven to myself, that > taking shelter of Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet > directly, nothing is > impossible! Hare Krishna and Goodbye!!!! > > your servant in Srila Prabhupada's service, > Krishnapriya dasi > > > > > ----------------------- > To from this mailing list, send an email > to: > Initiations.in.ISKCON-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 > "A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic > succession from ***time eternal*** and he does not > deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme > Lord." (BG 4:42) Cyavana: Sometimes it's difficult as devotees for us to know whether we're doing the right thing or whether we're just speculating. Prabhupada: And therefore you have to consult your guru. (Conversation, Delhi, March 25, 1976) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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