Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Dear Yesu Bhaktan, Hare Krishna! For now, I have forwarded your letter to the cow conference for discussion. Thank you for your interest in cow protection. Your servant, Chayadevi - aham brahman iscowp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net 12/31/2004 1:23:50 PM powdered milk from protected cows Hare Krsna, I saw this on another forum, Audarya Felowship, and liked the idea. Conditional veganism while simulataneously setting up a first class facility for producing powdered milk, Ahimsa Milk, to be sold to Temples and others so the Deities could be offered milk from protected cows. Perhaps you could open a discussion on the issue or produce an article on the pros and cons of powdered Ahimsa Milk. Lecture Gita-nagari farm July 15. 1976 In India we are in scarcity of milk. So, krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam. [bg. 18.44]: "Farming, cow protection and trade are the natural work for the vaisyas..."] If you have got enough milk you can make trade. Vanijyam, that is Krsna's instruction. It is not that we hate the modern system. No, we do not hate anything. Nirbandhah krsna-sambandhe. [From Bhakti -rasamrta- sindhu 2.255: "When one is not attached to anything, but at the same time accepts everything in relation to Krsna, one is rightly situated above possessiveness. On the other hand, one who rejects everything without knowledge of its relationship to Krsna is not as complete in his renunciation."] we want to try to engage everything in Krsna's service. If modern machine is there, we don't hate it. We must find out the means how this machine can be utilized for Krsna's service. So if you have got excess milk, you can make it powdered milk and you can send to India in any amount. It will be consumed. At least we can use it in our different centers, we can distribute. So there is no question. Jaya Yeshua ! Jaya Govinda ! Yesu Bhaktan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 As usual, we must begin with Srila Prabhupada all-important phrase "if you have excess." Please see below. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi ISCOWP (Balabhadra Dasa & Chaya Dasi - USA) wrote: >- >aham brahman >iscowp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net >12/31/2004 1:23:50 PM >powdered milk from protected cows > > >Hare Krsna, > >I saw this on another forum, Audarya Felowship, and liked the idea. Conditional >veganism while simulataneously setting up a first class facility for producing >powdered milk, Ahimsa Milk, to be sold to Temples and others so the Deities >could be offered milk from protected cows. > >Perhaps you could open a discussion on the issue or produce an article on the >pros and cons of powdered Ahimsa Milk. > >Lecture Gita-nagari farm July 15. 1976 > > >In India we are in scarcity of milk. So, krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam. [bg. 18.44]: >"Farming, cow protection and trade are the natural work for the vaisyas..."] If >you have got enough milk you can make trade. Vanijyam, that is Krsna's >instruction. It is not that we hate the modern system. No, we do not hate >anything. Nirbandhah krsna-sambandhe. [From Bhakti -rasamrta- sindhu 2.255: >"When one is not attached to anything, but at the same time accepts everything >in relation to Krsna, one is rightly situated above possessiveness. On the >other hand, one who rejects everything without knowledge of its relationship to >Krsna is not as complete in his renunciation."] we want to try to engage >everything in Krsna's service. If modern machine is there, we don't hate it. We >must find out the means how this machine can be utilized for Krsna's service. >So if you have got excess milk, you can make it powdered milk and you can send >to India in any amount. > Here is Srila Prabhupada's the key phrase "if you have got excess." Discussion below. >It will be consumed. At least we can use it in our >different centers, we can distribute. So there is no question. >Jaya Yeshua ! Jaya Govinda ! >Yesu Bhaktan > So the critical question is: What constitutes "excess milk"? We can refer to principles number 7 of my recent article "Improving Our Cow Protection Standards" http://www.chakra.org/living/SimpJan30_03.html 7. No cow should be bred for milk production alone, without plans for the resulting calf. No cow should be bred unless there is a clear and concrete plan for the care of the calf for its entire life, which may be 10-20 years. This means there must be adequate land, adequate funding and adequate trained personnel to care for the resulting calf. (and also principles number 10 and 11:) 10. Milk production should not be developed primarily as a profit-making venture. "You say we must have a gosala trust, that is our real purpose. krsi-goraksya-vanijyam vaisya karma svabhava-jam, [bg 18.44]. Where there is agriculture there must be cows. That is our mission: Cow protection and agriculture and if there is excess, trade. This is a no-profit scheme. For the agriculture we want to produce our own food and we want to keep cows for our own milk. The whole idea is that we are Iskcon, a community to be independent from outside help. This farm project is especially for the devotees to grow their own food. Cotton also, to make their own clothes. And keeping cows for milk and fatty products. Our mission is to protect our devotees from unnecessary heavy work to save time for advancing in Krsna consciousness. This is our mission. So there is no question of profit, but if easily there are surplus products, then we can think of trading. Otherwise we have no such intention. " (Letter to Yasomatinandana -- Vrindavan 28 Nov 1976) TRAINING OF OXEN OR BULLOCKS 11. In general, all bull calves should be trained to work. As Srila Prabhupada stated to Teijas dasa at ISKCON's Hyderbad farm in the 1970's, "If you do not use the bulls for plowing, one day you will say, let us cut their throats." (ISKCON Farm Newsletter Vol. 2, No. 1, 1983) ***************** So the point here is that the thinking must start *not with* whether technology is available, but *in fact with* whether a robust enough plan is already in place so that excess milk is produced from protected cows, who sons are being trained and used as working oxen. If that first condition of a healthy program of training and working the oxen is not in place -- then consideration of whether to export powdered milk should be immediately set aside. ************ So, do we indeed have "excess milk" in ISKCON? I think in most cases the answer must be no. How can it be that we have "excess milk" when even the Deities the majority of our most prestigious temples are offered ghee made from the butter of slaughtered cows? So first we need to upgrade our standard of Deity worship to the point where the Deity form of Krsna is no longer offered ghee from slaughtered cows, then, second, we can begin to investigate technology for what to do with "excess milk." That should be the order of priority. Not the other way around. And in this whole discussion, it must be clearly recognized that there is a whole social dynamic which is essential for the production of milk from protected cows and grains from protected oxen. And this social dynamic is one of the central subjects of actual varnasrama social organization. And it requires an expertly trained social engineer, which we call a "ksatriya" to organize society so that not only humans but also cows and bulls are protected -- and even made happy! Sarve Sukhino Bhavantu! I hope that helps answer your question. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi your servant, Hare Krsna dasi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 I believe the machinery for powdering milk is expensive, so that may be an obstacle to be overcome. I worked in a lab for a year, and there was a small milk dryer in the room. My boss thought told me it cost $20,000 several years ago, and it was only desktop lab-size. If ahimsa powdered milk was available, I would buy it. Hare Krishna Pandu das ----------- CHAYADEVI, Did you get my recent e-mails saying that your book editing is done except for one question about missing text and reducing hyphenation where possible, and about the slideshow, etc.? Your servant, Pandu das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 .. If ahimsa powdered > milk was available, I would buy it. > > Hare Krishna > > Pandu das > How much would you pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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