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Dear Yesu Bhaktan,

 

Hare Krishna!

 

For now, I have forwarded your letter to the cow conference for discussion.

Thank you for your interest in cow protection.

 

Your servant,

Chayadevi

 

 

 

-

aham brahman

iscowp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net

12/31/2004 1:23:50 PM

powdered milk from protected cows

 

 

Hare Krsna,

 

I saw this on another forum, Audarya Felowship, and liked the idea. Conditional

veganism while simulataneously setting up a first class facility for producing

powdered milk, Ahimsa Milk, to be sold to Temples and others so the Deities

could be offered milk from protected cows.

 

Perhaps you could open a discussion on the issue or produce an article on the

pros and cons of powdered Ahimsa Milk.

 

Lecture Gita-nagari farm July 15. 1976

 

 

In India we are in scarcity of milk. So, krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam. [bg. 18.44]:

"Farming, cow protection and trade are the natural work for the vaisyas..."] If

you have got enough milk you can make trade. Vanijyam, that is Krsna's

instruction. It is not that we hate the modern system. No, we do not hate

anything. Nirbandhah krsna-sambandhe. [From Bhakti -rasamrta- sindhu 2.255:

"When one is not attached to anything, but at the same time accepts everything

in relation to Krsna, one is rightly situated above possessiveness. On the

other hand, one who rejects everything without knowledge of its relationship to

Krsna is not as complete in his renunciation."] we want to try to engage

everything in Krsna's service. If modern machine is there, we don't hate it. We

must find out the means how this machine can be utilized for Krsna's service.

So if you have got excess milk, you can make it powdered milk and you can send

to India in any amount. It will be consumed. At least we can use it in our

different centers, we can distribute. So there is no question.

Jaya Yeshua ! Jaya Govinda !

Yesu Bhaktan

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As usual, we must begin with Srila Prabhupada all-important phrase "if

you have excess." Please see below.

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna dasi

 

ISCOWP (Balabhadra Dasa & Chaya Dasi - USA) wrote:

 

>-

>aham brahman

>iscowp (AT) earthlink (DOT) net

>12/31/2004 1:23:50 PM

>powdered milk from protected cows

>

>

>Hare Krsna,

>

>I saw this on another forum, Audarya Felowship, and liked the idea.

Conditional

>veganism while simulataneously setting up a first class facility for producing

>powdered milk, Ahimsa Milk, to be sold to Temples and others so the Deities

>could be offered milk from protected cows.

>

>Perhaps you could open a discussion on the issue or produce an article on the

>pros and cons of powdered Ahimsa Milk.

>

>Lecture Gita-nagari farm July 15. 1976

>

>

>In India we are in scarcity of milk. So, krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam. [bg. 18.44]:

>"Farming, cow protection and trade are the natural work for the vaisyas..."]

If

>you have got enough milk you can make trade. Vanijyam, that is Krsna's

>instruction. It is not that we hate the modern system. No, we do not hate

>anything. Nirbandhah krsna-sambandhe. [From Bhakti -rasamrta- sindhu 2.255:

>"When one is not attached to anything, but at the same time accepts everything

>in relation to Krsna, one is rightly situated above possessiveness. On the

>other hand, one who rejects everything without knowledge of its relationship

to

>Krsna is not as complete in his renunciation."] we want to try to engage

>everything in Krsna's service. If modern machine is there, we don't hate it.

We

>must find out the means how this machine can be utilized for Krsna's service.

>So if you have got excess milk, you can make it powdered milk and you can send

>to India in any amount.

>

Here is Srila Prabhupada's the key phrase "if you have got excess."

Discussion below.

 

>It will be consumed. At least we can use it in our

>different centers, we can distribute. So there is no question.

>Jaya Yeshua ! Jaya Govinda !

>Yesu Bhaktan

>

 

So the critical question is: What constitutes "excess milk"?

 

We can refer to principles number 7 of my recent article "Improving Our

Cow Protection Standards"

 

http://www.chakra.org/living/SimpJan30_03.html

 

7. No cow should be bred for milk production alone, without plans for

the resulting calf. No cow should be bred unless there is a clear and

concrete plan for the care of the calf for its entire life, which may be

10-20 years. This means there must be adequate land, adequate funding

and adequate trained personnel to care for the resulting calf.

 

(and also principles number 10 and 11:)

 

10. Milk production should not be developed primarily as a profit-making

venture. "You say we must have a gosala trust, that is our real purpose.

krsi-goraksya-vanijyam vaisya karma svabhava-jam, [bg 18.44]. Where

there is agriculture there must be cows. That is our mission: Cow

protection and agriculture and if there is excess, trade. This is a

no-profit scheme. For the agriculture we want to produce our own food

and we want to keep cows for our own milk. The whole idea is that we are

Iskcon, a community to be independent from outside help. This farm

project is especially for the devotees to grow their own food. Cotton

also, to make their own clothes. And keeping cows for milk and fatty

products. Our mission is to protect our devotees from unnecessary heavy

work to save time for advancing in Krsna consciousness. This is our

mission. So there is no question of profit, but if easily there are

surplus products, then we can think of trading. Otherwise we have no

such intention. " (Letter to Yasomatinandana -- Vrindavan 28 Nov 1976)

 

TRAINING OF OXEN OR BULLOCKS

 

11. In general, all bull calves should be trained to work. As Srila

Prabhupada stated to Teijas dasa at ISKCON's Hyderbad farm in the

1970's, "If you do not use the bulls for plowing, one day you will say,

let us cut their throats." (ISKCON Farm Newsletter Vol. 2, No. 1, 1983)

 

*****************

 

So the point here is that the thinking must start *not with* whether

technology is available, but *in fact with* whether a robust enough plan

is already in place so that excess milk is produced from protected cows,

who sons are being trained and used as working oxen. If that first

condition of a healthy program of training and working the oxen is not

in place -- then consideration of whether to export powdered milk should

be immediately set aside.

 

************

 

So, do we indeed have "excess milk" in ISKCON? I think in most cases

the answer must be no.

 

How can it be that we have "excess milk" when even the Deities the

majority of our most prestigious temples are offered ghee made from the

butter of slaughtered cows?

 

So first we need to upgrade our standard of Deity worship to the point

where the Deity form of Krsna is no longer offered ghee from slaughtered

cows, then, second, we can begin to investigate technology for what to

do with "excess milk."

 

That should be the order of priority. Not the other way around.

 

And in this whole discussion, it must be clearly recognized that there

is a whole social dynamic which is essential for the production of milk

from protected cows and grains from protected oxen.

 

And this social dynamic is one of the central subjects of actual

varnasrama social organization. And it requires an expertly trained

social engineer, which we call a "ksatriya" to organize society so that

not only humans but also cows and bulls are protected -- and even made

happy! Sarve Sukhino Bhavantu!

 

I hope that helps answer your question.

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna dasi

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna dasi

 

 

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I believe the machinery for powdering milk is expensive, so that may be

an obstacle to be overcome. I worked in a lab for a year, and there was

a small milk dryer in the room. My boss thought told me it cost $20,000

several years ago, and it was only desktop lab-size. If ahimsa powdered

milk was available, I would buy it.

 

Hare Krishna

 

Pandu das

 

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CHAYADEVI,

Did you get my recent e-mails saying that your book editing is done

except for one question about missing text and reducing hyphenation

where possible, and about the slideshow, etc.?

 

Your servant,

Pandu das

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