I accept your conclusion that you are not fixed in the spiritual

[Guest guest]

So you are saying that no one except Srila Prabhupada can know what is

spiritual and material and be firmly fixed in the spiritual position.

This means that according to your philosophy you do not know what is

spiritual and what is material and are not not firmly fixed in the

spiritual position. I accept your conclusion that you are not.

This being the case, why should we hear from you?

 

YS

 

SDA

 

 

Krishna Priya (dasi) (Amsterdam - NL) [Krishna.Priya (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

 

Friday, January 14, 2005 3:58 AM

Sankarsana (das) ACBSP (Austin, Texas - USA)

Cc: Initiations in ISKCON

Not Bowing Down is NOT an option / Jagad Guru cannot initiate

Disciples?

 

 

 

Dear Sankarsan prabhu, Hare Krishna!

 

Actually, what happened is that I replied to Madhusudana and Bhakta Deepak

and they posted my letter to Initiations. So, yes, in one way you can say I

am back!

 

You wrote:

 

<<<<<<Srila Prabhupada states in Antya 5.85 purport,

 

"A person who knows what is spiritual and what is material and who is firmly

fixed in the spiritual position can be jagad-guru, the spiritual master of

the entire world."

CC Antya 5.85

 

It's interesting to note that according to your ritvik philosophy even such

a jagad-guru that we can become by dint of full surrender to Srila

Prabhupada would not be allowed to initate disciples.>>>>>>>

 

The instructions of the BONAFIDE PARAMAHAMSA SPIRITUAL MASTER is not like a

box with chocolate in different sizes, where you can choose from. The

instructions of the Spiritual Master have to be accepted IN TOTAL and WITH

COMPLETE FAITH.

"yasya deve para bhaktir, yatha deve tatha gurau"

 

The verse above applies to Srila Prabhupada himself, who was to be according

to his spiritual master, the SElF EFFULGENT ACHARYA.

 

It does not apply to every Krishna das en Krishna dasi, who thinks they are

authorised and qualified to take on the role of DIKSHA GURU.

 

Shastra states that no one but the uttama adhikari/mahabhagavata devotee can

take up the post of Diksha Guru. And also that such a Diksha Guru is

eternally in the parampara, not sneaking in.

 

The claim of the first appointed ritviks was that they were mahabhagavata's

and therefore chosen by Srila Prahbupada to be his successors in the

parampara, can be nothing but a lie., for as history has proven certainly

not all of these devotees were on Uttama Adhikari platform.

Thus the claim, that Srila Prabhupada authorised them cannot be right.

 

Now, to make up for the defects in the ISKCON DIKSHA GURUS, the GBC then

made up the story that one need NOT be a pure devotee to be GURU.......a

majority vote of the GBC would do - simply rubberstamp one as guru, who can

act thus, till he falls down.

 

This is such a bogus philosophy, just like thinking that Siksha is to be

equal to Diksha - There is no difference! There is difference. We are after

all not mayavadis or followers of the philosophy of non-differentiation.

Lord Caitanya's philsophy is acintya bhed abheda tattva. Simultaneously one

and different. So, whereas, Siksha is said to be more important than Diksha,

and Siksha Guru is to be seen as being equal to Diksha Guru, still there is

huge difference between the different types of Gurus. Is it so

inconceivable, that even our learned brahmanas and sanyasis cannot

understand? This is surely the trick of the witch MAYA.

 

It is the last snare of maya, that is keeping all you fortunate, yet

unfortunate souls, from fully surrendering to the will of Srila Prabhupada

and Krishna. It is unfortunate, for Maya has still got ISKCON under her

control, that even the most exalted personalities in the Movement are not

aloud to surpass her last snare: namely the desire for profit, distinction

and adoration.

 

Please come to your senses and defeat MAYA totally. Only then will ISKCON

become Invincible and beat back the advance of KALI YUGA.

 

Why wait for generations after us to put things right? The Gaudiya Matha

went astray. Please do not allow ISKCON to go astray!

 

I beg all the advanced vaisnavas to humbly examine all the instructions

given by OUR SPIRITUAL MASTER and being determined to not let MAYA win, make

the right choice to allow LORD CAITANYA'S SANKIRTAN MOVEMENT to expand.

 

yours in Srila Prabhupada's service,

Krishnapriya devi dasi