Bowing out NOT an option

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Dear Maharaja's & prabhu's.

 

Pamho. AgtSP.

 

First I have to applaud the fact that this subject is

being discussed openly. Thus some honest intention

must be there.

 

Secondly I agree with HH Jayadvaita Maharaja that

there are better things to do - like read Srila

Prabhupada's Srimad Bhagavatam. Believe me, we all

like doing that also!

 

However bowing out should NOT be an option. To do so

would be like the legendary Nero playing the fiddle

-while Rome burned.

 

This subject should be openly discussed until every

intelligent devotee is satisfied.

 

If I can just quote Maharaja from something he wrote

approximately in 1996.

 

"Merely to "smash" the theories of the post-samadhi

rttvik people, then, will not make such theories go

away. We must honestly face the underlying issues.

Who is a bona fide spiritual master? What

qualifications must he have? Are the gurus in ISKCON

factually qualified--all of them, some of them, or any

of them? If all or any of them are less than fully

fit, what implications does this have for their

disciples and for ISKCON? In ISKCON today, how can one

be sure that the spiritual master to whom one is

surrendering is genuine and infallible? Above all, how

can every member of ISKCON be connected with Srila

Prabhupada as his disciple, his follower, in a true

and legitimate sense?

 

The spiritual leaders of ISKCON ought to recognize the

importance of these questions and deal with them

honestly, openly, sincerely, and deeply."

 

Of course prabhu's like Deepak have important

questions which they also feel need answering. If we

are sincere in our desire to serve ISKCON then as

Maharaja says "deal with them honestly, openly,

sincerely, and deeply".

 

ys

Madhusudana Dasa

 

 

 

 

--- Deepak Vohra <dv108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

> Dear Ramakanta Prabhu

>

> PAMHO. AGTSP!

>

> As I mentioned previously, I can only physically

> discuss with one person at

> a time, and unless HH Jayadvaita Maharaja has

> appointed you to reply on his

> behalf, I will wait to see if Maharaja replies to my

> e-mail. If he wishes to

> bow out, then I will re-engage with your good self.

>

> Ys,

> Deepak

>

> >"Ramakanta (das) HKS (PAMHO.NET SysOp)

> (Zurich - CH)"

> ><Ramakanta.HKS (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> >"Deepak Vohra" <dv108 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>,

> "Initiations in ISKCON"

> ><Initiations.in.ISKCON (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> >RE: can someone give sastric and sadhu

> validations for ritvikism

> >Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:27 +0100

> >

> >Dear Deepak Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP!

> >

> > > If you could prove to me that there is a

> philosophical justification for

> > > terminating Srila Prabhupada's July 9th letter

> on his physical

> >departure,

> > > then I would agree that this whole issue is

> over, dead and buried, and I

> > > would gladly leave the old horse to rest in

> peace. But since there is

> >no

> > > mention in the letter of Srila Prabhupada's

> departure, as you have

> > > admitted, then this naturally begs the question:

> WHY was the directive

> > > terminated on his departure?

> >

> >It was Srila Prabhupada's instruction that the

> ritvik system is to be

> >terminated on his departure. The proof is following

> facts. (If you don't

> >agree with any of following statements, please tell

> me.)

> >

> >Before Srila Prabhupada appeared, the system was

> that the disciple becomes

> >the next diksa guru. This is confirmed by sadhu and

> sastra.

> >

> >During ten years Srila Prabhupada described the

> system where the disciple

> >becomes the next diksa guru. So he did not change

> the system.

> >

> >When Srila Prabhupada introduced the ritvik system

> (not on July 9th, but

> >already before that date), the ritvik system was

> supposed to be terminated

> >on Srila Prabhupada's departure and some of the

> disciples were supposed to

> >become the next diksa gurus.

> >

> >On July 9th Srila Prabhupada made a little change

> in the ritvik system,

> >namely that 'henceforward' the temple presidents

> should send the

> >recommendation for initiation to one of the

> representatives instead of

> >Srila

> >Prabhupada. The July 9th letter does not mention

> all the things in

> >connection with initiations that have not changed

> (e.g. chanting 16 rounds,

> >four regulative principles, etc.). The July 9th

> letter does not give any

> >information when the ritvik system (which was

> introduced already before)

> >should be terminated. So the ritvik system was

> still to be terminated on

> >Srila Prabhupada's departure.

> >

> >Srila Prabhupada gave the instruction not to change

> anything. This includes

> >that the ritvik system was to be terminated on

> Srila Prabhupada's

> >departure.

> >

> >Now why do the ritvikvadis want to change that?

> >

> >ys Ramakanta dasa

> >

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