I don't depend on dreams.- neither do I!!!!

January 19, 2005

> I did not need Srila Prabhupada to come and confirm in a dream that his

> Ritvik order is bona fide. There is already more than enough evidence to

> proof it, whereas there is no evidence of Srila Prabhupada truly

> authorising anyone to take up the position of Diksa Guru in Iskcon. On the

> contrary, misapplying Srila Prabhupada's instructions has been cause of

> great fall downs for many self-appointed, voted "Gurus" in Iskcon.

So what do you call this:

>From the conversation May 28 1977:

Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns

initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you're no longer

with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.

Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I

shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.

Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?

Prabhupada: Rtvik, yes.

Satsvarupa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the

initiation and the...

Prabhupada: He's guru. He's guru.

Satsvarupa: But he does it on your behalf.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not

become guru, so on my behalf, on my order... Amara ajnaya guru hana [Cc.

Madhya 7.128]. Be actually guru, but by my order.

Satsvarupa: So they may also be considered your disciples.

Prabhupada: Yes, they are disciples. Why consider? Who?

Tamala Krsna: No, he's asking that these rtvik-acaryas, they're officiating,

giving diksa. Their... The people who they give diksa to, whose disciple are

they?

Prabhupada: They're his disciple.

Tamala Krsna: They're his disciple.

Prabhupada: Who is initiating. He is granddisciple.

Satsvarupa: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: That's clear.

Satsvarupa: Then we have a question concer...

Prabhupada: When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's

all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it.

Ref. VedaBase => GBC Meets with Srila Prabhupada -- May 28, 1977, Vrndavana

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