By my order

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> I have already spoken of my assent to feelings on approaching obvious

> rascals directly. In my opinion, the IRM is headed to become this "other

> movement" in the sense that it will become ISKCON REFORMED, formed again

> according to Srila Prabhupada's original instructions, a faultless

> society. I believe that in spite of himself, this person is correct in his

> advice and prophetic as well.

 

Listen, Bhakta Mark, to what you are saying. Can you name even one member of

IRM who is in good spiritual standing? How are they going to reform anyting

when they can't even reform themselves? IRM does absolutely nothing in terms

of practical service to Srila Prabhupada, while ISKCON does so much service

for him. What do you think that indicates?

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"Krishna Priya (dasi) (Amsterdam - NL)" <Krishna.Priya (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

"Ramakanta (das) HKS (PAMHO.NET SysOp) (Zurich - CH)"

<Ramakanta.HKS (AT) pamho (DOT) net>; "sunanda" <sunandadas1082000 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:00 PM

By my order

 

 

> Hari Bol!

>

> All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!

>

> This person makes some good points.

>

> Many so called disciples of Srila Prabhupada considered their relationship

> with His Divine Grace as a mundane one as a son would a father, or prince

> and a king. While these elements may have been present metaphorically,

> they

> certainly have no bearing on the reality of the transcendental

> relationship

> of guru and disciple. The "inheritance" arguement is simply absurd.

>

> If at some point Srila Prabhupada did order one of his disciples to become

> a

> diksa guru and accept disciples, this would be a transcendental occurance,

> and all the world would know them by their fruits. As we know a

> mahabhagavata or uttama adhikai is self evidently in love with Sri Krishna

> and needs nø one. not even his Spiritual Master to order him to impart

> divya-jnana or disksa to fallen souls. However, the order may be an idea

> to

> establish a transcendental exception to the etiquette of not accepting

> disciples in the physical presence of ones Spiritual Master. Either way,

> we

> know a Diksa Guru by the fruits of that ones activities.

 

Perhaps you might list some of the fruits born by the actions of Srila

Prabhupada, specifically in the realm of his disciples advancing in Krsna

consciousness. So far you have given the impression that he has produced

mainly cheats, liars,and power-hungry neophytes.

 

 

> As far as this quote.

>

> Quote:

> Better that you and your like-thinking friends prove your points by

> establishing another movement that will quickly eclipse Iskcon, and when

> the

> sincere devotees of Iskcon realize their mistake by seeing your vast and

> faultless society, you can compassionately welcome them into your fold.

> This

> would be far more beneficial than continuing your diatribe with its

> accompanying self-aggrandisement and sense-gratifying one-upmanship that

> reeks of frustrated subtle sex desire.

>

>

> I have already spoken of my assent to feelings on approaching obvious

> rascals directly. In my opinion, the IRM is headed to become this "other

> movement" in the sense that it will become ISKCON REFORMED, formed again

> according to Srila Prabhupada's original instructions, a faultless

> society.

> I believe that in spite of himself, this person is correct in his advice

> and

> prophetic as well.

 

 

> Could we hear of some of the triumphs of the IRM over the last 10 years?

> Perhaps just the major ones so that the list is not tooooo long, and then

> we can compare it to those of Iskcon, using Prabhupada's own criteria of:

 

1. Books distributed.

2. Temples opened.

3. Devotees joining.

 

> Hare Krishna,

>

> y.s bhaktamark